Bad News 4 Shaheed & Olave Owners

[easilyscan 863]

1 hour ago, Super Cubs said:

as of right now I'm getting credit for the TD but I expect that is going to change to the def/st and I'll end up with 2.3 points from him this week 

I'd tell the commissioner to change the settings next year. 

[weepaws 3,157]

Never have I played a n a league that rewards points to an individual for st.   So one owner I’m playing against started Shaheed, and I’m glad that he the bed.  

[easilyscan 863]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Never have I played a n a league that rewards points to an individual for st.   So one owner I’m playing against started Shaheed, and I’m glad that he the bed.  

I set it up that way when I started the league in 2006. Of course that doesn't count on the defensive side. If a cornerback picks up a fumble and runs it back for a touchdown, it goes to the defense, not the individual. 

[weepaws 3,157]

47 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

I set it up that way when I started the league in 2005. Of course that doesn't count on the defensive side. If a cornerback picks up a fumble and runs it back for a touchdown, it goes to the defense, not the individual. 

A lot of people play it the way your league does.  It would be interesting to play in a league with that scoring system. 

[polecatt 474]

1 hour ago, easilyscan said:

I set it up that way when I started the league in 2005. Of course that doesn't count on the defensive side. If a cornerback picks up a fumble and runs it back for a touchdown, it goes to the defense, not the individual. 

My league both get credit for it.

I have Rashid in my line up and I got 14 pts for it. The Saints D/ST got points for it too.

Just like a TD pass, the QB and the WR get points for it.

[easilyscan 863]

29 minutes ago, polecatt said:

My league both get credit for it.

I have Rashid in my line up and I got 14 pts for it. The Saints D/ST got points for it too.

Just like a TD pass, the QB and the WR get points for it.

Same in my league. It counts the same as if he had caught a 53 yard TD, or ran for a 53 yard TD. Thank God for that, because I think all he had other than that, was one catch for 11 yards and maybe one run. A correction from my earlier post on this thread. I started a league in 2006. Here's the long and boring story behind that.

After 2 years of pushing, my work mates finally convinced me to play fantasy football in 2005. I drew the first pick. I knew 'real football' well as I've been a fan my entire life, but I didn't do enough research regarding fantasy football. I picked Peyton Manning #1 because he had thrown 50 touchdowns the previous year & also picked 2 other top 3 quarterbacks including Tom Brady, thinking I could trade them later. I'm lucky my friends didn't take me out behind the woodshed and kick my arse because I'm sure I screwed up many a draft because of that.

The only other player I remember drafting is Clinton Portis. I learned to work the waiver wire & somehow managed to finish 3rd. During the year, because I was desperate to fill other positions that were lacking because of all the QBs I picked, I was frustrated that some of the return specialists of the time (who were available on the waiver wire) wouldn't do me any good because the league didn't give points for return yards. During the off-season, I asked the commissioner if he'd consider changing the settings. The answer was no, so in 2006, I started another league.

Let's just say that the commissioner of the original league, wasn't very popular at work, so I had no problem filling mine. I still make mistakes every week but in 2007, I won both leagues. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that felt very satisfying

The golden age for return specialists went away to a certain degree in 2011, when the NFL moved the kick off up from the 30 to the 35, in an attempt to increase the number of touchbacks & lessen the number of injuries. Here's a list of return specialists that played during this time & total return yards for their career.

Player          Return YDS
Josh Cribbs    13,488    2005-2014  
Darren Sproles    11,313    2005-2019  
Devin Hester    11,028    2006-2016  
Ted Ginn Jr.    9,523    2007-2020    

Leon Washington    9,346    2006-2014    
Cordarrelle Patterson    7,998    2013-2024   
Jacoby Jones    7,628    2007-2015    
Wes Welker    6,722    2004-2015   

Danny Amendola    5,450    2009-2021  
Derrick Mason    5,086    1997-2011   
Antwaan Randle El    4,316    2002-2010   
Tyler Lockett    4,266    2015-2024 

Percy Harvin    4,127    2009-2016                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Steve Smith Sr.    4,055    2001-2016    
Ray-Ray McCloud    3,887    2018-2024    
Antonio Brown    2,934    2010-2021    

Devin Duvernay    2,878    2020-2024    
Randall Cobb    2,829    2011-2023  

 

[plasma george 62]

16 hours ago, polecatt said:

My league both get credit for it.

I have Rashid in my line up and I got 14 pts for it. The Saints D/ST got points for it too.

Just like a TD pass, the QB and the WR get points for it.

It's not exactly "just like".  The QB threw a TD pass, and the WR caught a TD pass, 2 different players.

This TD was one player, and 2 different owners get rewarded.  Our league didn't like that, so we stopped giving Return TDs to individual players, it goes to DST only, we called it the "Joey Galloway Rule".

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

I think it makes no sense to give a wide receiver points when he's on the field in another role.  When a player is on the punt or kick return team, he's on the field as a special teams player... hence, anything he gets, is as a special teamer.  If you draft a "Wide Receiver", he's not a "Wide Receiver" when he's fielding kicks or punts.  Making a rule for this is simply catering to crybabies.  The fallacy here is that 1 person can get points twice, for the same score.  That makes no sense.  Either the special teams gets the points or the return man gets the points.

[polecatt 474]

37 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think it makes no sense to give a wide receiver points when he's on the field in another role.  When a player is on the punt or kick return team, he's on the field as a special teams player... hence, anything he gets, is as a special teamer.  If you draft a "Wide Receiver", he's not a "Wide Receiver" when he's fielding kicks or punts.  Making a rule for this is simply catering to crybabies.  The fallacy here is that 1 person can get points twice, for the same score.  That makes no sense.  Either the special teams gets the points or the return man gets the points.

Why not?

Are you drafting the player or the role?

If they run a trick play or a reverse and the WR runs or throws for a TD, they get points for it although it's not technically the role of the WR.

When Taysom Hill lines up at RB or QB and scores yet is technically listed as a TE, points are still awarded for that.

The way I see it, you draft the player, not the role. So anything that player does on the field is fair game.

[easilyscan 863]

5 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Why not?

Are you drafting the player or the role?

If they run a trick play or a reverse and the WR runs or throws for a TD, they get points for it although it's not technically the role of the WR.

When Taysom Hill lines up at RB or QB and scores yet is technically listed as a TE, points are still awarded for that.

The way I see it, you draft the player, not the role. So anything that player does on the field is fair game.

Well played.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

46 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Why not?

Are you drafting the player or the role?

If they run a trick play or a reverse and the WR runs or throws for a TD, they get points for it although it's not technically the role of the WR.

When Taysom Hill lines up at RB or QB and scores yet is technically listed as a TE, points are still awarded for that.

The way I see it, you draft the player, not the role. So anything that player does on the field is fair game.

I explained the answer to both of your questions in my post. 

When teams run the trick play, who's on the field?  The offense right... not the special teams?

When Taysom Hill lines up at RB or QB, he's doing that while on offense, right?  Or is he doing that on special teams.

If your league is set up that way fine.  It's your league and you can set it up however you like, but like I said, it's to appease the crybabies.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

2 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

Well played.

It is, if you ignore the purpose of special teams to make your argument.

[polecatt 474]

36 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I explained the answer to both of your questions in my post. 

When teams run the trick play, who's on the field?  The offense right... not the special teams?

When Taysom Hill lines up at RB or QB, he's doing that while on offense, right?  Or is he doing that on special teams.

If your league is set up that way, fine, but like I said, it's to appease the crybabies.

Yeah, he's doing that on offense.

However, you specifically said "WR" not "offense"

Goal posts moving!

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

Just now, polecatt said:

Yeah, he's doing that on offense.

However, you specifically said "WR" not "offense"

Goal posts moving!

When is a "WR" on the field?  True or False:  It's when the "offense" is on the field.

[polecatt 474]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

When is a "WR" on the field?  True or False:  It's when the "offense" is on the field.

Whenever the coach wants him on the field.

It's usually on offense, but clearly some WRs play on special teams too. Bill Belichick had Troy Brown play CB sometimes. If I had him on my team and he got an interception, would I want those points? You'd better believe it!

The thing is, football games and players have all sorts of wild scenarios that can unfold, and sometimes players are put into roles that they may not normally be in. Since that's part of football, it's part of fantasy football. It's something you have to consider. Some players are more versatile and fit in more roles than others. I don't know why the owners that select them should be penalized for that.

[weepaws 3,157]

I think it would be interesting to add that next season.  Ff points for the player even if he’s on the st.   

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

12 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Whenever the coach wants him on the field.

It's usually on offense, but clearly some WRs play on special teams too. Bill Belichick had Troy Brown play CB sometimes. If I had him on my team and he got an interception, would I want those points? You'd better believe it!

The thing is, football games and players have all sorts of wild scenarios that can unfold, and sometimes players are put into roles that they may not normally be in. Since that's part of football, it's part of fantasy football. It's something you have to consider. Some players are more versatile and fit in more roles than others. I don't know why the owners that select them should be penalized for that.

Ok, let's put your system to the test.  Tyler Bass is about to kick a FG.  The snap comes and it's fumbled by the holder.  Bass picks the ball up and runs it in for a TD.  Who gets the points?

[Super Cubs 153]

23 hours ago, Super Cubs said:

as of right now I'm getting credit for the TD but I expect that is going to change to the def/st and I'll end up with 2.3 points from him this week 

Double checked the league scoring this morning and I do get credit for the TD. The player and def/st both get the TD.  No credit for the return yards but I'm cool with just the TD.  

and took a screen shot of the rules just in case there is some bs comes from this.

[Super Cubs 153]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ok, let's put your system to the test.  Tyler Bass is about to kick a FG.  The snap comes and it's fumbled by the holder.  Bass picks the ball up and runs it in for a TD.  Who gets the points?

I say Bass only.  

[polecatt 474]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ok, let's put your system to the test.  Tyler Bass is about to kick a FG.  The snap comes and it's fumbled by the holder.  Bass picks the ball up and runs it in for a TD.  Who gets the points?

Tyler Bass

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

9 minutes ago, Super Cubs said:

I say Bass only.  

 

4 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Tyler Bass

Find me ONE league where a kicker has EVER gotten credit for a TD.  Willing to bet neither of yours do.

I've played in a bunch of leagues that used different websites and I've never seen that happen.  Though, I haven't played on any site in the last 10 years, other than ESPN or Yahoo... to this day, neither give credit to a kicker for a TD.

[polecatt 474]

8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Find me ONE league where a kicker has EVER gotten credit for a TD.  Willing to bet neither of yours do.

Jason Sanders, caught a TD pass in 2019, I looked it up, he absolutely got credit for it in my league.

He hit one FG over 50 yds for 10 pts and 2 PATS for 2 pts more, and a 1 yd TD catch, 1 pt for the catch, 6 for the TD, adds up to 19 pts total

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 minute ago, polecatt said:

Jason Sanders, caught a TD pass in 2019, I looked it up, he absolutely got credit for it in my league.

He hit one FG over 50 yds for 10 pts and 2 PATS for 2 pts more, and a 1 yd TD catch, 1 pt for the catch, 6 for the TD, adds up to 19 pts total

What website do you use?

[polecatt 474]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What website do you use?

ESPN

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

5 minutes ago, polecatt said:

ESPN

Correction.... my bad.  I meant Punters.  Don't know what I was thinking with Kickers.

 

In your league, Shaheed got the TD and so did the New Orleans Defense and Special teams (to note, I'm using ESPN and Shaheed did not get a TD for the punt return [nor is it an option in our settings]), is that the same for a Punter?  Does the punter and the special teams get credit for a TD on a fake punt?

[plasma george 62]

Another good example is when Romo was the holder in the Playoffs, he fumbled the snap and tired to run it in for a TD.

If he would have scored, our league would've awarded Cowboys DST for the TD, not Romo.

Romo is a QB but is out there on Special Teams.  QBs get QB scoring, passing TD, receiving TD, total yards, etc., not a Special Teams TD.

[polecatt 474]

22 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Correction.... my bad.  I meant Punters.  Don't know what I was thinking with Kickers.

 

In your league, Shaheed got the TD and so did the New Orleans Defense and Special teams (to note, I'm using ESPN and Shaheed did not get a TD for the punt return [nor is it an option in our settings]), is that the same for a Punter?  Does the punter and the special teams get credit for a TD on a fake punt?

We don't have the option to roster punters so I guess not