The lightning move toward autocracy

[jbycho 609]

Just now, The Girlfriend said:

In the name of science, I may accept that challenge. 

That's right. Go ask your cats. 

[CaptainObvious1 327]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

7 pages of @Death spewing historical facts in parallel with current events that we anti-Trumpers have been telling you for years. 7 pages of links and references. 7 pages of Rusty being mostly non-combative and even keeled.

7 pages with zero intelligent rebuttal from MAGA other than insults and whatabouts. No explanations or defenses. Hell, they aren't even offering excuses. They are giddy at the thought of those damn elitist dems "gettin whuts comin to em!"

Especially disappointed in @Voltaire who used to be pretty level headed when he lived in China. Now he's in Florida and gone full-on MAGA savage. I've noticed a similar, though less prominent, shift amongst others conservatives here that used to be able to hold a conversation but now seem closer to @Horsemanure in their lack of thoughtful posting.

I get it, you all think I'm a brainwashed lib. That's fine. Maybe I am, though I am not denouncing most of what Trump has done so far. But I am not calling for a "cleansing" of conservatives or their beliefs. Neither is anyone else. Numerous posters here have openly endorsed violence against their own countrymen simply because they vote differently. Each time, it was MAGA that was okay with violence. 

7 pages of implied, if not explicit support for historical parallels mirroring the fall of democracies into authoritarian/fascist regimes. Astounding. 

 

I don't think you're brainwashed.  More like brain dead.

[The Girlfriend 208]

During Donald Trump's presidency (2017–2021), critics and scholars raised concerns about behaviors and policies that some interpreted as signs of authoritarianism. While Trump and his supporters often framed his actions as efforts to challenge the political establishment and prioritize national interests, critics argued that some of his rhetoric and actions eroded democratic norms and institutions. Below are key examples often cited as signs of authoritarian tendencies:

---

### 1. **Attacks on Democratic Institutions**
   - **Undermining Trust in Elections**: Trump repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that the 2016 and 2020 elections were marred by widespread voter fraud. After losing the 2020 election, he refused to concede and promoted the false narrative that the election was "stolen," which culminated in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
   - **Attacks on the Judiciary**: Trump criticized judges who ruled against his policies, often personally attacking them and questioning their legitimacy (e.g., calling a federal judge "a Mexican" and suggesting bias).
   - **Weakening Checks and Balances**: Trump frequently bypassed Congress through executive orders and emergency declarations, such as declaring a national emergency to fund the border wall after Congress refused to allocate the money.

---

### 2. **Hostility Toward the Media**
   - **"Fake News" Rhetoric**: Trump routinely labeled critical media outlets as "fake news" and accused them of being "the enemy of the people." This rhetoric was seen as an attempt to delegitimize independent journalism and undermine public trust in the press.
   - **Threats to Press Freedom**: Trump openly discussed revoking press credentials for outlets like CNN and suggested loosening libel laws to make it easier to sue journalists.

---

### 3. **Cult of Personality**
   - **Personal Loyalty Over Institutional Norms**: Trump demanded personal loyalty from officials, often firing or sidelining those who disagreed with him (e.g., James Comey, Jeff Sessions). This emphasis on loyalty over institutional integrity raised concerns about the erosion of independent governance.
   - **Rallies and Messaging**: Trump's rallies often featured adoring crowds and messaging that centered on him as a singular leader, which some compared to the cult of personality seen in authoritarian regimes.

---

### 4. **Use of Divisive and Demagogic Rhetoric**
   - **Scapegoating and Demonization**: Trump frequently targeted specific groups, such as immigrants, Muslims, and political opponents, using inflammatory language. For example, he referred to some immigrants as "rapists" and "criminals" and called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."
   - **Encouraging Violence**: At times, Trump appeared to condone or encourage violence among his supporters. For instance, he stated at a rally, "I’d like to punch him in the face," referring to a protester, and told supporters to "fight much harder" on January 6, 2021.

---

### 5. **Erosion of Norms and Rule of Law**
   - **Politicizing Law Enforcement**: Trump was accused of using the Department of Justice (DOJ) for personal and political gain, such as pressuring officials to investigate his political rivals (e.g., Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton).
   - **Pardons for Political Allies**: Trump issued pardons to several allies convicted of crimes, including Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn, which critics saw as undermining the rule of law.

---

### 6. **Centralization of Power**
   - **Expansion of Executive Power**: Trump frequently used executive orders to implement policies, bypassing Congress. Examples include the travel ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries and the aforementioned national emergency declaration for border wall funding.
   - **Disregard for Congressional Oversight**: Trump and his administration often resisted congressional oversight, refusing to comply with subpoenas and withholding documents during investigations, such as the impeachment inquiries.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Crackdown on Protests**: During the George Floyd protests in 2020, Trump threatened to deploy the military to quell unrest, stating, "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Federal agents were also used to disperse peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square near the White House.
   - **Targeting Political Opponents**: Trump frequently used harsh and personal attacks against political opponents, including members of his own party, often labeling them as "traitors" or "un-American."

---

### 8. **Undermining Expertise and Science**
   - **Disregard for Experts**: Trump often dismissed or contradicted experts, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, promoting unproven treatments and downplaying the severity of the virus.
   - **Politicizing Federal Agencies**: Critics accused Trump of politicizing agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), undermining their credibility.

---

### Counterarguments:
Supporters of Trump argue that his actions were aimed at challenging a corrupt political establishment, prioritizing national interests, and delivering on campaign promises. They contend that his use of executive power and confrontational style were necessary to disrupt a system they viewed as broken. Additionally, they argue that many of his policies, such as immigration restrictions and deregulation, were legitimate responses to perceived problems.

---

### Conclusion:
While Trump's presidency did not result in the establishment of a full-blown authoritarian regime, many of his actions and rhetoric were seen as undermining democratic norms and institutions. Whether these behaviors constitute authoritarianism depends on one's interpretation of his intentions and the broader context of U.S. politics. However, the concerns raised during his presidency highlight the importance of safeguarding democratic principles, regardless of who holds power.

 

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The question of whether Joe Biden's presidency exhibits signs of authoritarianism is a matter of debate and often depends on political perspective. Critics of Biden have raised concerns about certain policies and actions, while supporters argue that his administration operates within democratic norms. Below are some examples often cited by critics as potential signs of authoritarianism, along with context and counterarguments.

---

### 1. **Expansion of Executive Power**
   - **Executive Orders**: Like many presidents, Biden has used executive orders to implement policies, particularly in areas where Congress is gridlocked. Critics argue that this bypasses the legislative process and centralizes power in the executive branch.
     - Examples: Rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, reversing Trump-era immigration policies, and mandating COVID-19 vaccines for federal workers.
   - **Counterargument**: Executive orders are a legal and common tool for presidents, and Biden's use of them is not unprecedented. Many of his orders reverse or modify policies set by his predecessor.

---

### 2. **COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates**
   - **Federal Mandates**: Biden's administration implemented vaccine mandates for federal employees, healthcare workers, and large private employers through OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration). Critics argued that this overreached federal authority and infringed on personal freedoms.
   - **Counterargument**: The mandates were framed as public health measures to combat the pandemic, and similar measures have been used historically during health crises. The Supreme Court ultimately blocked the private employer mandate but allowed the healthcare worker mandate to stand.

---

### 3. **Censorship and Misinformation Policies**
   - **Collaboration with Social Media Companies**: The Biden administration has been accused of pressuring social media platforms to remove or suppress content deemed misinformation, particularly about COVID-19 and vaccines. Critics argue this amounts to government censorship and violates free speech.
     - Example: The lawsuit *Missouri v. Biden* alleged that the administration coerced platforms to censor certain viewpoints.
   - **Counterargument**: The administration maintains that it sought to combat harmful misinformation that could endanger public health, not to suppress legitimate political speech.

---

### 4. **Immigration Policies**
   - **Border Control Measures**: While Biden has reversed some of Trump's restrictive immigration policies, his administration has also faced criticism for maintaining certain harsh measures, such as Title 42 expulsions and increased deportations.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that Biden is balancing humanitarian concerns with the need to manage border security and that his policies are more compassionate than those of his predecessor.

---

### 5. **Use of Federal Law Enforcement**
   - **FBI Raids and Investigations**: Critics have pointed to high-profile FBI actions, such as the raid on Mar-a-Lago (Trump's residence) and investigations into political figures, as potential abuses of power.
   - **Counterargument**: The Department of Justice operates independently, and these actions were framed as part of legitimate investigations into potential criminal activity, not politically motivated.

---

### 6. **Climate and Regulatory Policies**
   - **Expansive Regulations**: Biden's climate agenda, including efforts to transition to renewable energy and regulate emissions, has been criticized as government overreach that could stifle economic freedom.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that these policies are necessary to address climate change and align with global efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Handling of Protests**: While Biden has generally expressed support for peaceful protest, critics argue that his administration has not done enough to address concerns about police brutality and the suppression of dissent.
   - **Counterargument**: Biden has called for police reform and condemned violence, but his administration has largely deferred to local authorities in handling protests.

---

### 8. **Partisan Rhetoric**
   - **Divisive Language**: Biden has occasionally used strong rhetoric to describe his political opponents, such as calling Trump supporters a "threat to democracy" or referring to MAGA Republicans as "extremists." Critics argue this demonizes political opposition.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters contend that Biden is highlighting genuine threats to democratic norms, such as election denialism and the January 6 Capitol riot.

---

### Counterarguments in Favor of Biden's Democratic Norms:
1. **Commitment to Institutions**: Biden has consistently emphasized the importance of democratic institutions, the rule of law, and the peaceful transfer of power.
2. **Transparency**: The Biden administration has generally adhered to transparency norms, such as holding regular press briefings and releasing public health data.
3. **Respect for Checks and Balances**: Biden has worked with Congress on major legislative initiatives, such as the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, rather than relying solely on executive action.

---

### Conclusion:
While critics have raised concerns about certain actions and policies under Biden, these do not necessarily amount to authoritarianism. Many of the actions cited are consistent with historical uses of presidential power, and Biden has generally operated within the framework of democratic norms. However, debates about executive overreach, censorship, and the balance between security and freedom are important for holding any administration accountable. As with any leader, it is crucial to evaluate policies and actions critically while considering the broader context of governance.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,963]

Amusing that so many of you twats think anyone reads your long winded copy and paste bullshitt. 

[jbycho 609]

Rusty can't stop herself. She's been screaming non stop for years about Trump. Great to see. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,743]

21 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

Biden has occasionally used strong rhetoric to describe his political opponents, such as calling Trump supporters a "threat to democracy" or referring to MAGA Republicans as "extremists."

Don't forget TRASH BOYO. He called Trump supporters Trash. 

BUT HEY, THAT'S OK!!! 

[Death 301]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

7 pages of @Death spewing historical facts in parallel with current events that we anti-Trumpers have been telling you for years. 7 pages of links and references. 7 pages of Rusty being mostly non-combative and even keeled.

7 pages with zero intelligent rebuttal from MAGA other than insults and whatabouts. No explanations or defenses. Hell, they aren't even offering excuses. They are giddy at the thought of those damn elitist dems "gettin whuts comin to em!"

Especially disappointed in @Voltaire who used to be pretty level headed when he lived in China. Now he's in Florida and gone full-on MAGA savage. I've noticed a similar, though less prominent, shift amongst others conservatives here that used to be able to hold a conversation but now seem closer to @Horsemanure in their lack of thoughtful posting.

I get it, you all think I'm a brainwashed lib. That's fine. Maybe I am, though I am not denouncing most of what Trump has done so far. But I am not calling for a "cleansing" of conservatives or their beliefs. Neither is anyone else. Numerous posters here have openly endorsed violence against their own countrymen simply because they vote differently. Each time, it was MAGA that was okay with violence. 

7 pages of implied, if not explicit support for historical parallels mirroring the fall of democracies into authoritarian/fascist regimes. Astounding. 

 

They keep trying to project what Trump and MAGA are trying to do in regard to a move toward authoritarianism and project that on Biden and Obama without supporting that with anything factual or substantive, or they'll point to some insignificant little thing and hypercatastrophize the hell out of it.

As you said, I've noted in great detail the similarities between what Trump is doing and early 1930s Germany, Hungary today and the oligarchic state of this country in the late 1800s.

What MAGA is calling authoritarianism on the left doesn't meet the definition of the term; it's just what those presidential administrations did to make them butt hurt.

That's not authoritarianism, oligarchy or a dictatorship.

Just look at the ungodly power and threats Trump is throwing around as he tries to harness more power for the executive branch.

Like you, I'm not denouncing what he has done so far. I'm just waiting for one of those next steps, such as destroying his critics past and present and crippling media to the left of his mouthpiece Fox news.

[Maximum Overkill 1,743]

1 minute ago, Death said:

1930s Germany

 

2 minutes ago, Death said:

authoritarianism

 

2 minutes ago, Death said:

dictatorship

 

2 minutes ago, Death said:

oligarchy

 

[Death 301]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Amusing that so many of you twats think anyone reads your long winded copy and paste bullshitt. 

We've already established that anything more voluminous than a 20-word sentence and a single paragraph sets your reading-comprehension skills ablaze.

[The Girlfriend 208]

5 minutes ago, Death said:

We've already established that anything more voluminous than a 20-word sentence and a single paragraph sets your reading-comprehension skills ablaze.

I’ve focked hookers smarter than him.

[The Girlfriend 208]

17 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Don't forget TRASH BOYO. He called Trump supporters Trash. 

BUT HEY, THAT'S OK!!! 

If the hefty bags fits…

[Voltaire 5,203]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

7 pages of @Death spewing historical facts in parallel with current events that we anti-Trumpers have been telling you for years. 7 pages of links and references. 7 pages of Rusty being mostly non-combative and even keeled.

7 pages with zero intelligent rebuttal from MAGA other than insults and whatabouts. No explanations or defenses. Hell, they aren't even offering excuses. They are giddy at the thought of those damn elitist dems "gettin whuts comin to em!"

Especially disappointed in @Voltaire who used to be pretty level headed when he lived in China. Now he's in Florida and gone full-on MAGA savage. I've noticed a similar, though less prominent, shift amongst others conservatives here that used to be able to hold a conversation but now seem closer to @Horsemanure in their lack of thoughtful posting.

I get it, you all think I'm a brainwashed lib. That's fine. Maybe I am, though I am not denouncing most of what Trump has done so far. But I am not calling for a "cleansing" of conservatives or their beliefs. Neither is anyone else. Numerous posters here have openly endorsed violence against their own countrymen simply because they vote differently. Each time, it was MAGA that was okay with violence. 

7 pages of implied, if not explicit support for historical parallels mirroring the fall of democracies into authoritarian/fascist regimes. Astounding. 

 

Relax, nobody here is a Nazi. Rusty has devolved into a sky-screaming troll over the years and is no longer a serious poster. He has Fascist Tourettes, seeing swastikas in his toast and lives in fear of the Nazis hiding under his bed and in his closet.

The reality  is that the country is in good hands. The people who voted for Trump are the heirs of a country that stormed the beaches at Normandy to fight real Nazis while the forebearers of dirtbags like Rusty were sh*tting their pants, hiding and under their mother's bed with 4F deferments. Rusty is a bit late to the party, the real authoritarians, the actual scary people, left office with the Biden administration. If there were real Nazis or fascism, we wouldn't put up with it.

Every time Rusty posts about Nazis or fascists, a leftoid earns zims/zers horns.

Its true though that there are big changes going on though in Washington DC. The swamp is finally being dried up, which is what Trump promised voters and what he is carrying out. Rusty is the dying scream of far left corruption and real authoritarianism. 

Democrats live in a silo where everything gets turned up to eleven and their favorite pasttime is getting high smelling each others farts. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,743]

3 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

If the hefty bags fits…

In that case you'd be wrapped in a Rainbow colored Condom  

[The Girlfriend 208]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Relax, nobody here is a Nazi. Rusty has devolved into a sky-screaming troll over the years and is no longer a serious poster. He has Fascist Tourettes, seeing swastikas in his toast and lives in fear of the Nazis hiding under his bed and in his closet.

The reality  is that the country is in good hands. The people who voted for Trump are the heirs of a country that stormed the beaches at Normandy to fight real Nazis while the forebearers of dirtbags like Rusty were sh*tting their pants, hiding and under their mother's bed with 4F deferments. Rusty is a bit late to the party, the real authoritarians, the actual scary people, left office with the Biden administration. If there were real Nazis or fascism, we wouldn't put up with it.

Every time Rusty posts about Nazis or fascists, a leftoid earns zims/zers horns.

Its true though that there are big changes going on though in Washington DC. The swamp is finally being dried up, which is what Trump promised voters and what he is carrying out. Rusty is the dying scream of far left corruption and real authoritarianism. 

Democrats live in a silo where everything gets turned up to eleven and their favorite pasttime is getting high smelling each others farts. 

 

You should go into comedy. The lack of self awareness in this post might be a new record.

[Death 301]

8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Relax, nobody here is a Nazi. Rusty has devolved into a sky-screaming troll over the years and is no longer a serious poster. He has Fascist Tourettes, seeing swastikas in his toast and lives in fear of the Nazis hiding under his bed and in his closet.

The reality  is that the country is in good hands. The people who voted for Trump are the heirs of a country that stormed the beaches at Normandy to fight real Nazis while the forebearers of dirtbags like Rusty were sh*tting their pants, hiding and under their mother's bed with 4F deferments. Rusty is a bit late to the party, the real authoritarians, the actual scary people, left office with the Biden administration. If there were real Nazis or fascism, we wouldn't put up with it.

Every time Rusty posts about Nazis or fascists, a leftoid earns zims/zers horns.

Its true though that there are big changes going on though in Washington DC. The swamp is finally being dried up, which is what Trump promised voters and what he is carrying out. Rusty is the dying scream of far left corruption and real authoritarianism. 

Democrats live in a silo where everything gets turned up to eleven and their favorite pasttime is getting high smelling each others farts. 

 

Five mentions in this deluded, unhinged diatribe, and he thinks I was eligible for military service during World War II. Never mind that Trump used his rich daddy to dodge the draft.

I hope you're enjoying the free rent.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

If you watch the video above and really understand what Fascism is, you'll understand that the Democrats actually check more boxes of "Fascism" than Republicans do.

[Voltaire 5,203]

1 minute ago, Death said:

 

I hope you're enjoying the free rent.

I am. Watching you lose your mind has been quite entertaining and good for many laughs. Thank You.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,963]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I am. Watching you lose your mind has been quite entertaining and good for many laughs. Thank You.

I’m enjoying this very much. Rusty and you going at it that is. He appears to be getting the better of you.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,743]

9 minutes ago, Death said:

Never mind that Trump used his rich daddy to dodge the draft.

Ever been to War? You'd do the same thing if you had a Son. Don't be an Asss 

[Voltaire 5,203]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m enjoying this very much. Rusty and you going at it that is. He appears to be getting the better of you.  

Unfortinatly, you're a based judge because you're retarded and are better left recusing yourself.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m enjoying this very much. Rusty and you going at it that is. He appears to be getting the better of you.  

You're joking, right?  Rusty couldn't get the better of a 3 year old, much less Volty  

Volty is absolutely taking Rusty's lunch AND f@cking Rusty's mom at the same time.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,963]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Unfortinatly, you're a based judge because you're retarded and are better left recusing yourself.

Yeah. You’re the only dope around here that believed Rusty’s bullshitt. Who’s  the retard? 

[Horseman 2,374]

1 hour ago, The Girlfriend said:

During Donald Trump's presidency (2017–2021), critics and scholars raised concerns about behaviors and policies that some interpreted as signs of authoritarianism. While Trump and his supporters often framed his actions as efforts to challenge the political establishment and prioritize national interests, critics argued that some of his rhetoric and actions eroded democratic norms and institutions. Below are key examples often cited as signs of authoritarian tendencies:

---

### 1. **Attacks on Democratic Institutions**
   - **Undermining Trust in Elections**: Trump repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that the 2016 and 2020 elections were marred by widespread voter fraud. After losing the 2020 election, he refused to concede and promoted the false narrative that the election was "stolen," which culminated in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
   - **Attacks on the Judiciary**: Trump criticized judges who ruled against his policies, often personally attacking them and questioning their legitimacy (e.g., calling a federal judge "a Mexican" and suggesting bias).
   - **Weakening Checks and Balances**: Trump frequently bypassed Congress through executive orders and emergency declarations, such as declaring a national emergency to fund the border wall after Congress refused to allocate the money.

---

### 2. **Hostility Toward the Media**
   - **"Fake News" Rhetoric**: Trump routinely labeled critical media outlets as "fake news" and accused them of being "the enemy of the people." This rhetoric was seen as an attempt to delegitimize independent journalism and undermine public trust in the press.
   - **Threats to Press Freedom**: Trump openly discussed revoking press credentials for outlets like CNN and suggested loosening libel laws to make it easier to sue journalists.

---

### 3. **Cult of Personality**
   - **Personal Loyalty Over Institutional Norms**: Trump demanded personal loyalty from officials, often firing or sidelining those who disagreed with him (e.g., James Comey, Jeff Sessions). This emphasis on loyalty over institutional integrity raised concerns about the erosion of independent governance.
   - **Rallies and Messaging**: Trump's rallies often featured adoring crowds and messaging that centered on him as a singular leader, which some compared to the cult of personality seen in authoritarian regimes.

---

### 4. **Use of Divisive and Demagogic Rhetoric**
   - **Scapegoating and Demonization**: Trump frequently targeted specific groups, such as immigrants, Muslims, and political opponents, using inflammatory language. For example, he referred to some immigrants as "rapists" and "criminals" and called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."
   - **Encouraging Violence**: At times, Trump appeared to condone or encourage violence among his supporters. For instance, he stated at a rally, "I’d like to punch him in the face," referring to a protester, and told supporters to "fight much harder" on January 6, 2021.

---

### 5. **Erosion of Norms and Rule of Law**
   - **Politicizing Law Enforcement**: Trump was accused of using the Department of Justice (DOJ) for personal and political gain, such as pressuring officials to investigate his political rivals (e.g., Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton).
   - **Pardons for Political Allies**: Trump issued pardons to several allies convicted of crimes, including Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn, which critics saw as undermining the rule of law.

---

### 6. **Centralization of Power**
   - **Expansion of Executive Power**: Trump frequently used executive orders to implement policies, bypassing Congress. Examples include the travel ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries and the aforementioned national emergency declaration for border wall funding.
   - **Disregard for Congressional Oversight**: Trump and his administration often resisted congressional oversight, refusing to comply with subpoenas and withholding documents during investigations, such as the impeachment inquiries.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Crackdown on Protests**: During the George Floyd protests in 2020, Trump threatened to deploy the military to quell unrest, stating, "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Federal agents were also used to disperse peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square near the White House.
   - **Targeting Political Opponents**: Trump frequently used harsh and personal attacks against political opponents, including members of his own party, often labeling them as "traitors" or "un-American."

---

### 8. **Undermining Expertise and Science**
   - **Disregard for Experts**: Trump often dismissed or contradicted experts, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, promoting unproven treatments and downplaying the severity of the virus.
   - **Politicizing Federal Agencies**: Critics accused Trump of politicizing agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), undermining their credibility.

---

### Counterarguments:
Supporters of Trump argue that his actions were aimed at challenging a corrupt political establishment, prioritizing national interests, and delivering on campaign promises. They contend that his use of executive power and confrontational style were necessary to disrupt a system they viewed as broken. Additionally, they argue that many of his policies, such as immigration restrictions and deregulation, were legitimate responses to perceived problems.

---

### Conclusion:
While Trump's presidency did not result in the establishment of a full-blown authoritarian regime, many of his actions and rhetoric were seen as undermining democratic norms and institutions. Whether these behaviors constitute authoritarianism depends on one's interpretation of his intentions and the broader context of U.S. politics. However, the concerns raised during his presidency highlight the importance of safeguarding democratic principles, regardless of who holds power.

 

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

The question of whether Joe Biden's presidency exhibits signs of authoritarianism is a matter of debate and often depends on political perspective. Critics of Biden have raised concerns about certain policies and actions, while supporters argue that his administration operates within democratic norms. Below are some examples often cited by critics as potential signs of authoritarianism, along with context and counterarguments.

---

### 1. **Expansion of Executive Power**
   - **Executive Orders**: Like many presidents, Biden has used executive orders to implement policies, particularly in areas where Congress is gridlocked. Critics argue that this bypasses the legislative process and centralizes power in the executive branch.
     - Examples: Rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, reversing Trump-era immigration policies, and mandating COVID-19 vaccines for federal workers.
   - **Counterargument**: Executive orders are a legal and common tool for presidents, and Biden's use of them is not unprecedented. Many of his orders reverse or modify policies set by his predecessor.

---

### 2. **COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates**
   - **Federal Mandates**: Biden's administration implemented vaccine mandates for federal employees, healthcare workers, and large private employers through OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration). Critics argued that this overreached federal authority and infringed on personal freedoms.
   - **Counterargument**: The mandates were framed as public health measures to combat the pandemic, and similar measures have been used historically during health crises. The Supreme Court ultimately blocked the private employer mandate but allowed the healthcare worker mandate to stand.

---

### 3. **Censorship and Misinformation Policies**
   - **Collaboration with Social Media Companies**: The Biden administration has been accused of pressuring social media platforms to remove or suppress content deemed misinformation, particularly about COVID-19 and vaccines. Critics argue this amounts to government censorship and violates free speech.
     - Example: The lawsuit *Missouri v. Biden* alleged that the administration coerced platforms to censor certain viewpoints.
   - **Counterargument**: The administration maintains that it sought to combat harmful misinformation that could endanger public health, not to suppress legitimate political speech.

---

### 4. **Immigration Policies**
   - **Border Control Measures**: While Biden has reversed some of Trump's restrictive immigration policies, his administration has also faced criticism for maintaining certain harsh measures, such as Title 42 expulsions and increased deportations.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that Biden is balancing humanitarian concerns with the need to manage border security and that his policies are more compassionate than those of his predecessor.

---

### 5. **Use of Federal Law Enforcement**
   - **FBI Raids and Investigations**: Critics have pointed to high-profile FBI actions, such as the raid on Mar-a-Lago (Trump's residence) and investigations into political figures, as potential abuses of power.
   - **Counterargument**: The Department of Justice operates independently, and these actions were framed as part of legitimate investigations into potential criminal activity, not politically motivated.

---

### 6. **Climate and Regulatory Policies**
   - **Expansive Regulations**: Biden's climate agenda, including efforts to transition to renewable energy and regulate emissions, has been criticized as government overreach that could stifle economic freedom.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that these policies are necessary to address climate change and align with global efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Handling of Protests**: While Biden has generally expressed support for peaceful protest, critics argue that his administration has not done enough to address concerns about police brutality and the suppression of dissent.
   - **Counterargument**: Biden has called for police reform and condemned violence, but his administration has largely deferred to local authorities in handling protests.

---

### 8. **Partisan Rhetoric**
   - **Divisive Language**: Biden has occasionally used strong rhetoric to describe his political opponents, such as calling Trump supporters a "threat to democracy" or referring to MAGA Republicans as "extremists." Critics argue this demonizes political opposition.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters contend that Biden is highlighting genuine threats to democratic norms, such as election denialism and the January 6 Capitol riot.

---

### Counterarguments in Favor of Biden's Democratic Norms:
1. **Commitment to Institutions**: Biden has consistently emphasized the importance of democratic institutions, the rule of law, and the peaceful transfer of power.
2. **Transparency**: The Biden administration has generally adhered to transparency norms, such as holding regular press briefings and releasing public health data.
3. **Respect for Checks and Balances**: Biden has worked with Congress on major legislative initiatives, such as the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, rather than relying solely on executive action.

---

### Conclusion:
While critics have raised concerns about certain actions and policies under Biden, these do not necessarily amount to authoritarianism. Many of the actions cited are consistent with historical uses of presidential power, and Biden has generally operated within the framework of democratic norms. However, debates about executive overreach, censorship, and the balance between security and freedom are important for holding any administration accountable. As with any leader, it is crucial to evaluate policies and actions critically while considering the broader context of governance.

tl:dr

[Hardcore troubadour 14,963]

1 hour ago, The Girlfriend said:

During Donald Trump's presidency (2017–2021), critics and scholars raised concerns about behaviors and policies that some interpreted as signs of authoritarianism. While Trump and his supporters often framed his actions as efforts to challenge the political establishment and prioritize national interests, critics argued that some of his rhetoric and actions eroded democratic norms and institutions. Below are key examples often cited as signs of authoritarian tendencies:

---

### 1. **Attacks on Democratic Institutions**
   - **Undermining Trust in Elections**: Trump repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that the 2016 and 2020 elections were marred by widespread voter fraud. After losing the 2020 election, he refused to concede and promoted the false narrative that the election was "stolen," which culminated in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
   - **Attacks on the Judiciary**: Trump criticized judges who ruled against his policies, often personally attacking them and questioning their legitimacy (e.g., calling a federal judge "a Mexican" and suggesting bias).
   - **Weakening Checks and Balances**: Trump frequently bypassed Congress through executive orders and emergency declarations, such as declaring a national emergency to fund the border wall after Congress refused to allocate the money.

---

### 2. **Hostility Toward the Media**
   - **"Fake News" Rhetoric**: Trump routinely labeled critical media outlets as "fake news" and accused them of being "the enemy of the people." This rhetoric was seen as an attempt to delegitimize independent journalism and undermine public trust in the press.
   - **Threats to Press Freedom**: Trump openly discussed revoking press credentials for outlets like CNN and suggested loosening libel laws to make it easier to sue journalists.

---

### 3. **Cult of Personality**
   - **Personal Loyalty Over Institutional Norms**: Trump demanded personal loyalty from officials, often firing or sidelining those who disagreed with him (e.g., James Comey, Jeff Sessions). This emphasis on loyalty over institutional integrity raised concerns about the erosion of independent governance.
   - **Rallies and Messaging**: Trump's rallies often featured adoring crowds and messaging that centered on him as a singular leader, which some compared to the cult of personality seen in authoritarian regimes.

---

### 4. **Use of Divisive and Demagogic Rhetoric**
   - **Scapegoating and Demonization**: Trump frequently targeted specific groups, such as immigrants, Muslims, and political opponents, using inflammatory language. For example, he referred to some immigrants as "rapists" and "criminals" and called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."
   - **Encouraging Violence**: At times, Trump appeared to condone or encourage violence among his supporters. For instance, he stated at a rally, "I’d like to punch him in the face," referring to a protester, and told supporters to "fight much harder" on January 6, 2021.

---

### 5. **Erosion of Norms and Rule of Law**
   - **Politicizing Law Enforcement**: Trump was accused of using the Department of Justice (DOJ) for personal and political gain, such as pressuring officials to investigate his political rivals (e.g., Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton).
   - **Pardons for Political Allies**: Trump issued pardons to several allies convicted of crimes, including Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn, which critics saw as undermining the rule of law.

---

### 6. **Centralization of Power**
   - **Expansion of Executive Power**: Trump frequently used executive orders to implement policies, bypassing Congress. Examples include the travel ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries and the aforementioned national emergency declaration for border wall funding.
   - **Disregard for Congressional Oversight**: Trump and his administration often resisted congressional oversight, refusing to comply with subpoenas and withholding documents during investigations, such as the impeachment inquiries.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Crackdown on Protests**: During the George Floyd protests in 2020, Trump threatened to deploy the military to quell unrest, stating, "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Federal agents were also used to disperse peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square near the White House.
   - **Targeting Political Opponents**: Trump frequently used harsh and personal attacks against political opponents, including members of his own party, often labeling them as "traitors" or "un-American."

---

### 8. **Undermining Expertise and Science**
   - **Disregard for Experts**: Trump often dismissed or contradicted experts, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, promoting unproven treatments and downplaying the severity of the virus.
   - **Politicizing Federal Agencies**: Critics accused Trump of politicizing agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), undermining their credibility.

---

### Counterarguments:
Supporters of Trump argue that his actions were aimed at challenging a corrupt political establishment, prioritizing national interests, and delivering on campaign promises. They contend that his use of executive power and confrontational style were necessary to disrupt a system they viewed as broken. Additionally, they argue that many of his policies, such as immigration restrictions and deregulation, were legitimate responses to perceived problems.

---

### Conclusion:
While Trump's presidency did not result in the establishment of a full-blown authoritarian regime, many of his actions and rhetoric were seen as undermining democratic norms and institutions. Whether these behaviors constitute authoritarianism depends on one's interpretation of his intentions and the broader context of U.S. politics. However, the concerns raised during his presidency highlight the importance of safeguarding democratic principles, regardless of who holds power.

 

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

The question of whether Joe Biden's presidency exhibits signs of authoritarianism is a matter of debate and often depends on political perspective. Critics of Biden have raised concerns about certain policies and actions, while supporters argue that his administration operates within democratic norms. Below are some examples often cited by critics as potential signs of authoritarianism, along with context and counterarguments.

---

### 1. **Expansion of Executive Power**
   - **Executive Orders**: Like many presidents, Biden has used executive orders to implement policies, particularly in areas where Congress is gridlocked. Critics argue that this bypasses the legislative process and centralizes power in the executive branch.
     - Examples: Rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, reversing Trump-era immigration policies, and mandating COVID-19 vaccines for federal workers.
   - **Counterargument**: Executive orders are a legal and common tool for presidents, and Biden's use of them is not unprecedented. Many of his orders reverse or modify policies set by his predecessor.

---

### 2. **COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates**
   - **Federal Mandates**: Biden's administration implemented vaccine mandates for federal employees, healthcare workers, and large private employers through OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration). Critics argued that this overreached federal authority and infringed on personal freedoms.
   - **Counterargument**: The mandates were framed as public health measures to combat the pandemic, and similar measures have been used historically during health crises. The Supreme Court ultimately blocked the private employer mandate but allowed the healthcare worker mandate to stand.

---

### 3. **Censorship and Misinformation Policies**
   - **Collaboration with Social Media Companies**: The Biden administration has been accused of pressuring social media platforms to remove or suppress content deemed misinformation, particularly about COVID-19 and vaccines. Critics argue this amounts to government censorship and violates free speech.
     - Example: The lawsuit *Missouri v. Biden* alleged that the administration coerced platforms to censor certain viewpoints.
   - **Counterargument**: The administration maintains that it sought to combat harmful misinformation that could endanger public health, not to suppress legitimate political speech.

---

### 4. **Immigration Policies**
   - **Border Control Measures**: While Biden has reversed some of Trump's restrictive immigration policies, his administration has also faced criticism for maintaining certain harsh measures, such as Title 42 expulsions and increased deportations.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that Biden is balancing humanitarian concerns with the need to manage border security and that his policies are more compassionate than those of his predecessor.

---

### 5. **Use of Federal Law Enforcement**
   - **FBI Raids and Investigations**: Critics have pointed to high-profile FBI actions, such as the raid on Mar-a-Lago (Trump's residence) and investigations into political figures, as potential abuses of power.
   - **Counterargument**: The Department of Justice operates independently, and these actions were framed as part of legitimate investigations into potential criminal activity, not politically motivated.

---

### 6. **Climate and Regulatory Policies**
   - **Expansive Regulations**: Biden's climate agenda, including efforts to transition to renewable energy and regulate emissions, has been criticized as government overreach that could stifle economic freedom.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that these policies are necessary to address climate change and align with global efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Handling of Protests**: While Biden has generally expressed support for peaceful protest, critics argue that his administration has not done enough to address concerns about police brutality and the suppression of dissent.
   - **Counterargument**: Biden has called for police reform and condemned violence, but his administration has largely deferred to local authorities in handling protests.

---

### 8. **Partisan Rhetoric**
   - **Divisive Language**: Biden has occasionally used strong rhetoric to describe his political opponents, such as calling Trump supporters a "threat to democracy" or referring to MAGA Republicans as "extremists." Critics argue this demonizes political opposition.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters contend that Biden is highlighting genuine threats to democratic norms, such as election denialism and the January 6 Capitol riot.

---

### Counterarguments in Favor of Biden's Democratic Norms:
1. **Commitment to Institutions**: Biden has consistently emphasized the importance of democratic institutions, the rule of law, and the peaceful transfer of power.
2. **Transparency**: The Biden administration has generally adhered to transparency norms, such as holding regular press briefings and releasing public health data.
3. **Respect for Checks and Balances**: Biden has worked with Congress on major legislative initiatives, such as the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, rather than relying solely on executive action.

---

### Conclusion:
While critics have raised concerns about certain actions and policies under Biden, these do not necessarily amount to authoritarianism. Many of the actions cited are consistent with historical uses of presidential power, and Biden has generally operated within the framework of democratic norms. However, debates about executive overreach, censorship, and the balance between security and freedom are important for holding any administration accountable. As with any leader, it is crucial to evaluate policies and actions critically while considering the broader context of governance.

Pity bump

[Mufaletta 70]

OP should simply lobby his/her/xe congressman to partner up with Rep. Andy Ogles and slightly modify the proposed change to the 22nd amendment.    Then you could get Barack Hussein to run alongside first lady Michelle and the other first lady Jen Anniston in '28 vs DJT/Melania.   It would make for the ultimate showdown that leftists really want.     

Think of the TV opportunities . . . a proxy debate between Oprah vs Dr. Phil.   Biden facing off against J D Vance on a special edition of Constitutional Jeopardy and so on.

 

[Voltaire 5,203]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. You’re the only dope around here that believed Rusty’s bullshitt. Who’s  the retard? 

Anyone who watched you post threats to release more personal information on Rusty and then not conclude that you were indeed doxxing him would be retarded.

Rusty has my personal info and I have his -  and you may notice we do not get along in the slightest - and yet I have zero concerns about him abusing that information nor does he about me. There was a certain ethic and trust in the early internet, including here at the Geek Club, about not abusing this sort of information. Something that Rusty has always followed for 25+ years. Maybe we were all too careless in sharing it, because a$$holes like you come along to abuse that.

Your telling him sh*t about himself that he had not shared personally was focking scary. I'd thought that maybe because until then we'd agreed on 98% of everything under the sun that I could talk some sense into you. Instead what happened is that now you hate me more than him for calling you out on it.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,963]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Anyone who watched you post threats to release more personal information on Rusty and then not conclude that you were indeed doxxing him would be retarded.

Rusty has my personal info and I have his -  and you may notice we do not get along in the slightest - and yet I have zero concerns about him abusing that information nor does he about me. There was a certain ethic and trust in the early internet, including here at the Geek Club, about not abusing this sort of information. Something that Rusty has always followed for 25+ years. Maybe we were all too careless in sharing it, because a$$holes like you come along to abuse that.

Your telling him sh*t about himself that he had not shared personally was focking scary. I'd thought that maybe because until then we'd agreed on 98% of everything under the sun that I could talk some sense into you. Instead now you hate me more than him for calling you out on it.

What a load of horse shitt. Complete nonsense. What’s all this info I released? Tell us, because you never do. What’s it been, a year? You’re a delusional clown who appears to be having some mental health issues. Go get some meds. 

[TrailGuy 552]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Don't forget TRASH BOYO. He called Trump supporters Trash. 

BUT HEY, THAT'S OK!!! 

You are trash 

[Mufaletta 70]

2 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

. . . firing every Inspector General, and seizing billions appropriated by Congress . . .

 

Turns out firing those with high level oversight responsibilities that neglect, mis-use or abuse their position before irreversible collapse occurs is actually a good thing. 

The action below didn't happen until Feb 13, 2002.   It was too late.  Enron had already declared bankruptcy on Dec 2, 2001.

Enron CEO Stephen Cooper said in brief statement that chief risk officer Rick Buy and chief accounting officer Rick Causey have been dismissed effective immediately

What is the Inspector General's (IG) mission?

Per the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended, the Inspector General's mission is to:

• Conduct independent and objective audits, investigations and inspections
• Prevent and detect waste, fraud and abuse,
• Promote economy, effectiveness and efficiency,
• Review pending legislation and regulation, and
• Keep the agency head and Congress fully and currently informed.

[TrailGuy 552]

2 minutes ago, Mufaletta said:

Turns out firing those with high level oversight responsibilities that neglect, mis-use or abuse their position before irreversible collapse occurs is actually a good thing. 

The action below didn't happen until Feb 13, 2002.   It was too late.  Enron had already declared bankruptcy on Dec 2, 2001.

Enron CEO Stephen Cooper said in brief statement that chief risk officer Rick Buy and chief accounting officer Rick Causey have been dismissed effective immediately

What is the Inspector General's (IG) mission?

Per the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended, the Inspector General's mission is to:

• Conduct independent and objective audits, investigations and inspections
• Prevent and detect waste, fraud and abuse,
• Promote economy, effectiveness and efficiency,
• Review pending legislation and regulation, and
• Keep the agency head and Congress fully and currently informed.

The inspectors general's job is not to balance the budget or reduce the debt 

That's the job of congress and the president.  Have you ever taken a civics class?

JFC

[Mufaletta 70]

1 hour ago, The Girlfriend said:

During Donald Trump's presidency (2017–2021), critics and scholars raised concerns about behaviors and policies that some interpreted as signs of authoritarianism. While Trump and his supporters often framed his actions as efforts to challenge the political establishment and prioritize national interests, critics argued that some of his rhetoric and actions eroded democratic norms and institutions. Below are key examples often cited as signs of authoritarian tendencies:

---

### 1. **Attacks on Democratic Institutions**
   - **Undermining Trust in Elections**: Trump repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that the 2016 and 2020 elections were marred by widespread voter fraud. After losing the 2020 election, he refused to concede and promoted the false narrative that the election was "stolen," which culminated in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
   - **Attacks on the Judiciary**: Trump criticized judges who ruled against his policies, often personally attacking them and questioning their legitimacy (e.g., calling a federal judge "a Mexican" and suggesting bias).
   - **Weakening Checks and Balances**: Trump frequently bypassed Congress through executive orders and emergency declarations, such as declaring a national emergency to fund the border wall after Congress refused to allocate the money.

---

### 2. **Hostility Toward the Media**
   - **"Fake News" Rhetoric**: Trump routinely labeled critical media outlets as "fake news" and accused them of being "the enemy of the people." This rhetoric was seen as an attempt to delegitimize independent journalism and undermine public trust in the press.
   - **Threats to Press Freedom**: Trump openly discussed revoking press credentials for outlets like CNN and suggested loosening libel laws to make it easier to sue journalists.

---

### 3. **Cult of Personality**
   - **Personal Loyalty Over Institutional Norms**: Trump demanded personal loyalty from officials, often firing or sidelining those who disagreed with him (e.g., James Comey, Jeff Sessions). This emphasis on loyalty over institutional integrity raised concerns about the erosion of independent governance.
   - **Rallies and Messaging**: Trump's rallies often featured adoring crowds and messaging that centered on him as a singular leader, which some compared to the cult of personality seen in authoritarian regimes.

---

### 4. **Use of Divisive and Demagogic Rhetoric**
   - **Scapegoating and Demonization**: Trump frequently targeted specific groups, such as immigrants, Muslims, and political opponents, using inflammatory language. For example, he referred to some immigrants as "rapists" and "criminals" and called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."
   - **Encouraging Violence**: At times, Trump appeared to condone or encourage violence among his supporters. For instance, he stated at a rally, "I’d like to punch him in the face," referring to a protester, and told supporters to "fight much harder" on January 6, 2021.

---

### 5. **Erosion of Norms and Rule of Law**
   - **Politicizing Law Enforcement**: Trump was accused of using the Department of Justice (DOJ) for personal and political gain, such as pressuring officials to investigate his political rivals (e.g., Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton).
   - **Pardons for Political Allies**: Trump issued pardons to several allies convicted of crimes, including Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn, which critics saw as undermining the rule of law.

---

### 6. **Centralization of Power**
   - **Expansion of Executive Power**: Trump frequently used executive orders to implement policies, bypassing Congress. Examples include the travel ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries and the aforementioned national emergency declaration for border wall funding.
   - **Disregard for Congressional Oversight**: Trump and his administration often resisted congressional oversight, refusing to comply with subpoenas and withholding documents during investigations, such as the impeachment inquiries.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Crackdown on Protests**: During the George Floyd protests in 2020, Trump threatened to deploy the military to quell unrest, stating, "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Federal agents were also used to disperse peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square near the White House.
   - **Targeting Political Opponents**: Trump frequently used harsh and personal attacks against political opponents, including members of his own party, often labeling them as "traitors" or "un-American."

---

### 8. **Undermining Expertise and Science**
   - **Disregard for Experts**: Trump often dismissed or contradicted experts, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, promoting unproven treatments and downplaying the severity of the virus.
   - **Politicizing Federal Agencies**: Critics accused Trump of politicizing agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), undermining their credibility.

---

### Counterarguments:
Supporters of Trump argue that his actions were aimed at challenging a corrupt political establishment, prioritizing national interests, and delivering on campaign promises. They contend that his use of executive power and confrontational style were necessary to disrupt a system they viewed as broken. Additionally, they argue that many of his policies, such as immigration restrictions and deregulation, were legitimate responses to perceived problems.

---

### Conclusion:
While Trump's presidency did not result in the establishment of a full-blown authoritarian regime, many of his actions and rhetoric were seen as undermining democratic norms and institutions. Whether these behaviors constitute authoritarianism depends on one's interpretation of his intentions and the broader context of U.S. politics. However, the concerns raised during his presidency highlight the importance of safeguarding democratic principles, regardless of who holds power.

 

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

The question of whether Joe Biden's presidency exhibits signs of authoritarianism is a matter of debate and often depends on political perspective. Critics of Biden have raised concerns about certain policies and actions, while supporters argue that his administration operates within democratic norms. Below are some examples often cited by critics as potential signs of authoritarianism, along with context and counterarguments.

---

### 1. **Expansion of Executive Power**
   - **Executive Orders**: Like many presidents, Biden has used executive orders to implement policies, particularly in areas where Congress is gridlocked. Critics argue that this bypasses the legislative process and centralizes power in the executive branch.
     - Examples: Rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, reversing Trump-era immigration policies, and mandating COVID-19 vaccines for federal workers.
   - **Counterargument**: Executive orders are a legal and common tool for presidents, and Biden's use of them is not unprecedented. Many of his orders reverse or modify policies set by his predecessor.

---

### 2. **COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates**
   - **Federal Mandates**: Biden's administration implemented vaccine mandates for federal employees, healthcare workers, and large private employers through OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration). Critics argued that this overreached federal authority and infringed on personal freedoms.
   - **Counterargument**: The mandates were framed as public health measures to combat the pandemic, and similar measures have been used historically during health crises. The Supreme Court ultimately blocked the private employer mandate but allowed the healthcare worker mandate to stand.

---

### 3. **Censorship and Misinformation Policies**
   - **Collaboration with Social Media Companies**: The Biden administration has been accused of pressuring social media platforms to remove or suppress content deemed misinformation, particularly about COVID-19 and vaccines. Critics argue this amounts to government censorship and violates free speech.
     - Example: The lawsuit *Missouri v. Biden* alleged that the administration coerced platforms to censor certain viewpoints.
   - **Counterargument**: The administration maintains that it sought to combat harmful misinformation that could endanger public health, not to suppress legitimate political speech.

---

### 4. **Immigration Policies**
   - **Border Control Measures**: While Biden has reversed some of Trump's restrictive immigration policies, his administration has also faced criticism for maintaining certain harsh measures, such as Title 42 expulsions and increased deportations.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that Biden is balancing humanitarian concerns with the need to manage border security and that his policies are more compassionate than those of his predecessor.

---

### 5. **Use of Federal Law Enforcement**
   - **FBI Raids and Investigations**: Critics have pointed to high-profile FBI actions, such as the raid on Mar-a-Lago (Trump's residence) and investigations into political figures, as potential abuses of power.
   - **Counterargument**: The Department of Justice operates independently, and these actions were framed as part of legitimate investigations into potential criminal activity, not politically motivated.

---

### 6. **Climate and Regulatory Policies**
   - **Expansive Regulations**: Biden's climate agenda, including efforts to transition to renewable energy and regulate emissions, has been criticized as government overreach that could stifle economic freedom.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters argue that these policies are necessary to address climate change and align with global efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

---

### 7. **Response to Protests and Dissent**
   - **Handling of Protests**: While Biden has generally expressed support for peaceful protest, critics argue that his administration has not done enough to address concerns about police brutality and the suppression of dissent.
   - **Counterargument**: Biden has called for police reform and condemned violence, but his administration has largely deferred to local authorities in handling protests.

---

### 8. **Partisan Rhetoric**
   - **Divisive Language**: Biden has occasionally used strong rhetoric to describe his political opponents, such as calling Trump supporters a "threat to democracy" or referring to MAGA Republicans as "extremists." Critics argue this demonizes political opposition.
   - **Counterargument**: Supporters contend that Biden is highlighting genuine threats to democratic norms, such as election denialism and the January 6 Capitol riot.

---

### Counterarguments in Favor of Biden's Democratic Norms:
1. **Commitment to Institutions**: Biden has consistently emphasized the importance of democratic institutions, the rule of law, and the peaceful transfer of power.
2. **Transparency**: The Biden administration has generally adhered to transparency norms, such as holding regular press briefings and releasing public health data.
3. **Respect for Checks and Balances**: Biden has worked with Congress on major legislative initiatives, such as the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, rather than relying solely on executive action.

---

### Conclusion:
While critics have raised concerns about certain actions and policies under Biden, these do not necessarily amount to authoritarianism. Many of the actions cited are consistent with historical uses of presidential power, and Biden has generally operated within the framework of democratic norms. However, debates about executive overreach, censorship, and the balance between security and freedom are important for holding any administration accountable. As with any leader, it is crucial to evaluate policies and actions critically while considering the broader context of governance.

 

Critics and scholars.   LMAO.  

Scholars like this and critics like this ?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,963]

Voltaire sounds like Fredo when Michael confronts him about Moe Green 

Voltaire- “Me and Rusty are good friends, right Rusty?” Rusty- “sometimes I gotta slap him around a little bit”.  lol. 

[Mufaletta 70]

2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

The inspectors general's job is not to balance the budget or reduce the debt 

That's the job of congress and the president.  Have you ever taken a civics class?

JFC

Firing of the IG's may merely be "incremental progress" . . .

Quote

Nov 17, 2023 — On Thursday, the Department of Defense failed its sixth consecutive audit — but hailed its “incremental progress.”

 

[TrailGuy 552]

2 minutes ago, Mufaletta said:

Firing of the IG's may merely be "incremental progress" . . .

 

Don't worry, we just appointed an alcoholic rapist that drove 2 charities into bankruptcy.  I'm sure next years audit will be great 

I think you should learn what the inspectors general do before posting about it again.

[Mufaletta 70]

2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Don't worry, we just appointed an alcoholic rapist that drove 2 charities into bankruptcy.  I'm sure next years audit will be great 

I think you should learn what the inspectors general do before posting about it again.

Pretty sure I know what they will be doing next week.   Standing in line at the unemployment office.

[Voltaire 5,203]

Now I'm getting tag-teamed by two idiots that both hate me and also both have infinite time on their hands.

Well, maybe 'idiot' isn't true about one of them. HT is a smart dude, he's just a vindictive, opportunistic asshole. He doesn't see Hitler's face emerge on this pile of mashed potato or from that pile of snow over there.

[Death 301]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I am. Watching you lose your mind has been quite entertaining and good for many laughs. Thank You.

I've been cool as a  this whole thread while you throw your unhinged literary haymakers and reming me of that angry kick dog inside a car and slobbering up the windows as it harmlessly lashes out at passersby.

Grrrrrrr, grrrrrrr, bark, bark, grrrrrrr.

Why don't you make a rational, thoughtful point, Fifi?

[Death 301]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Unfortinatly, you're a based judge because you're retarded and are better left recusing yourself.

Unfortunately, you're so deranged right now that you can't spell or make intelligent points, and I'm being unbiased about that.

[The Real timschochet 6,451]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Relax, nobody here is a Nazi. Rusty has devolved into a sky-screaming troll over the years and is no longer a serious poster. He has Fascist Tourettes, seeing swastikas in his toast and lives in fear of the Nazis hiding under his bed and in his closet.

The reality  is that the country is in good hands. The people who voted for Trump are the heirs of a country that stormed the beaches at Normandy to fight real Nazis while the forebearers of dirtbags like Rusty were sh*tting their pants, hiding and under their mother's bed with 4F deferments. Rusty is a bit late to the party, the real authoritarians, the actual scary people, left office with the Biden administration. If there were real Nazis or fascism, we wouldn't put up with it.

Every time Rusty posts about Nazis or fascists, a leftoid earns zims/zers horns.

Its true though that there are big changes going on though in Washington DC. The swamp is finally being dried up, which is what Trump promised voters and what he is carrying out. Rusty is the dying scream of far left corruption and real authoritarianism. 

Democrats live in a silo where everything gets turned up to eleven and their favorite pasttime is getting high smelling each others farts. 

 

I actually appreciate a lot of this post. Not the remarks about Rusty or Democrats, but about Nazis and how you are the heirs of Normandy. I believe you; I’m not worried about you being a Nazi. I’m not worried about Trump being a Nazi either. But I AM concerned about Trump being a Viktor Orban. Not a Hitler, but a guy with authoritarian tendencies. 
 

I think you know that Trump is bending the rules. I think you’re willing to let it go because you’re so fed up with liberalism and Trump is willing to fight back. I get that. But your position is not a wise one. When we start to lose the principles that make this nation great they may not easily return. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,743]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nazi

 

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hitler

 

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

authoritarian tendencies

 

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump