thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 8 Don talked tough with Russia for about two minutes with “economic sanctions”. Russia bombs some civilians the next day and he shrugs his shoulders and says he gets it and Ukraine isn’t ready to settle What a chump ass stooge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted March 8 Zelensky says no to help and the liberals whine incessantly about it. This is entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,988 Posted March 9 3 hours ago, squistion said: I see a pathetic weak Pvssy on the left and a MAN on the right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, squistion said: One of them took a bullet for his country. The other met with Ben Stiller while his country was being attacked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,520 Posted March 9 42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: One of them took a bullet for his country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Stay at home non essential sayin something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted March 9 Trump’s latest demands before he will meet with Zelensky: 1. Ukraine must agree to minerals deal (Zelensky already says yes.) 2. Ukraine must agree in advance to give up land to Russia without any guarantees of peace. 3. Zelensky must resign and Ukraine must hold new elections without Zelensky. These demands have not been made publicly but leaked to the Washington Post and New York Times. Publicly Trump has only said that Zelensky needs to show “a change of attitude.” No insistence that Putin, who is committing war crimes on an hourly basis, show a change of attitude. If true the demands bear a striking similarity to those Germany made of Austria in February of 1938, as a way to avoid being occupied. Austria agreed to all of them and then Germany occupied it anyhow two weeks later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 9 Some of Comrade Donald’s best work! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,988 Posted March 9 10 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Some of Comrade Donald’s best work! I thought you're against funding this War? Make up your mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: I thought you're against funding this War? Make up your mind. Not sure where you got this idea. As long as Ukraine wants to keep fighting give them the aide, weapons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,424 Posted March 9 24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Trump’s latest demands before he will meet with Zelensky: 1. Ukraine must agree to minerals deal (Zelensky already says yes.) 2. Ukraine must agree in advance to give up land to Russia without any guarantees of peace. 3. Zelensky must resign and Ukraine must hold new elections without Zelensky. These demands have not been made publicly but leaked to the Washington Post and New York Times. Publicly Trump has only said that Zelensky needs to show “a change of attitude.” No insistence that Putin, who is committing war crimes on an hourly basis, show a change of attitude. If true the demands bear a striking similarity to those Germany made of Austria in February of 1938, as a way to avoid being occupied. Austria agreed to all of them and then Germany occupied it anyhow two weeks later. I said it before: Zelensky would be better off telling Trump to pound sand and appeal to Europe and China instead. He’d end up with roughly the same deal without having to appease a deranged old woman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tebok 442 Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, MDC said: I said it before: Zelensky would be better off telling Trump to pound sand and appeal to Europe and China instead. He’d end up with roughly the same deal without having to appease a deranged old woman. Didn't European nations announce hundreds of billions of dollars of aid to Ukraine just the other day? Unfortunately, I don't think they have the kind of weaponry needed to help Ukraine hold off Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted March 9 No amount of weapons will push back Russia. End the war. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted March 9 6 minutes ago, Gepetto said: No amount of weapons will push back Russia. End the war. By “end the war” do you mean force Ukraine to surrender? Please be specific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,424 Posted March 9 22 minutes ago, Tebok said: Didn't European nations announce hundreds of billions of dollars of aid to Ukraine just the other day? Unfortunately, I don't think they have the kind of weaponry needed to help Ukraine hold off Russia. No, but short of committing grounds troops to Ukraine, nothing was going to hold off Russia forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: By “end the war” do you mean force Ukraine to surrender? Please be specific. Fight! Fight! Fight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted March 9 17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: By “end the war” do you mean force Ukraine to surrender? Please be specific. Negotiate peace. If they end the war they can keep what they still control. They already lost the Eastern edge and Crimea. That’s not surrendering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Negotiate peace. If they end the war they can keep what they still control. They already lost the Eastern edge and Crimea. That’s not surrendering. What does Ukraine get out of this. Putin takes a couple years off and just pulls the same shet again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted March 9 11 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Negotiate peace. If they end the war they can keep what they still control. They already lost the Eastern edge and Crimea. That’s not surrendering. Russia is demanding more than that. They are demanding a new government in Ukraine subservient to Russia. In effect they want to be in control of Ukraine’s elections and they want leadership under the control of Putin with the idea of an eventual reunification of the two countries. Thats why I compared this to the Anschluss earlier. Trump seems willing to acquiesce to this. Are you? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: Russia is demanding more than that. They are demanding a new government in Ukraine subservient to Russia. In effect they want to be in control of Ukraine’s elections and they want leadership under the control of Putin with the idea of an eventual reunification of the two countries. Thats why I compared this to the Anschluss earlier. Trump seems willing to acquiesce to this. Are you? Sounds made up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,520 Posted March 9 So many so called alphas love the idea of surrendering to the aggressor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,199 Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: So many so called alphas love the idea of surrendering to the aggressor. And to make matters worse, that aggressor is Putin. Ronald Reagan is spinning in his grave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: So many so called alphas love the idea of surrendering to the aggressor. Alphas don’t get invaded. And if they do they shut that shitt down pronto. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Russia is demanding more than that. They are demanding a new government in Ukraine subservient to Russia. In effect they want to be in control of Ukraine’s elections and they want leadership under the control of Putin with the idea of an eventual reunification of the two countries. Thats why I compared this to the Anschluss earlier. Trump seems willing to acquiesce to this. Are you? no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, thegeneral said: What does Ukraine get out of this. Putin takes a couple years off and just pulls the same shet again. Europe can sign a security guarantee with Ukraine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 9 33 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Europe can sign a security guarantee with Ukraine. It doesn’t work without us. Why are we letting Russia dictate everything after how this has played out? They are giving up nothing, getting everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,424 Posted March 9 8 minutes ago, thegeneral said: It doesn’t work without us. Why are we letting Russia dictate everything after how this has played out? They are giving up nothing, getting everything. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than Trump liking and admiring Putin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 Why have the US and Europe been importing fertilizer from Russia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 I remember as a show of friendship and admiration Trump shut down Putins pipeline into Europe and hit him with sanctions and then bombed the Fock out of his Jets in Syria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 228 Posted March 9 5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Trump’s latest demands before he will meet with Zelensky: 1. Ukraine must agree to minerals deal (Zelensky already says yes.) 2. Ukraine must agree in advance to give up land to Russia without any guarantees of peace. 3. Zelensky must resign and Ukraine must hold new elections without Zelensky. These demands have not been made publicly but leaked to the Washington Post and New York Times. Publicly Trump has only said that Zelensky needs to show “a change of attitude.” No insistence that Putin, who is committing war crimes on an hourly basis, show a change of attitude. If true the demands bear a striking similarity to those Germany made of Austria in February of 1938, as a way to avoid being occupied. Austria agreed to all of them and then Germany occupied it anyhow two weeks later. please provide link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,429 Posted March 9 Why is there a correlation being made for the American side of things today with what went on in Europe in the 1930’s? Those countries shared a continent and sometimes a border and had changed hands numerous times throughout history. We don’t share a continent and are an ocean away. It’s more their problem than ours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, thegeneral said: It doesn’t work without us. Why are we letting Russia dictate everything after how this has played out? They are giving up nothing, getting everything. I would disagree with your assertions. We don't want to sign a security guarantee with Ukraine, because we don't want to be dragged into a war with Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 228 Posted March 9 6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Trump’s latest demands before he will meet with Zelensky: 1. Ukraine must agree to minerals deal (Zelensky already says yes.) 2. Ukraine must agree in advance to give up land to Russia without any guarantees of peace. 3. Zelensky must resign and Ukraine must hold new elections without Zelensky. These demands have not been made publicly but leaked to the Washington Post and New York Times. Publicly Trump has only said that Zelensky needs to show “a change of attitude.” No insistence that Putin, who is committing war crimes on an hourly basis, show a change of attitude. If true the demands bear a striking similarity to those Germany made of Austria in February of 1938, as a way to avoid being occupied. Austria agreed to all of them and then Germany occupied it anyhow two weeks later. did you just make this up out of thin air? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted March 9 8 minutes ago, shadrap said: did you just make this up out of thin air? No. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna195508 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,988 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: No. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna195508 It's brilliant, they are in no position to negotiate. We're going to own Ukraine before this is all over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HB Localboy 122 Posted March 9 Most of the people in eastern Ukraine are ethnic Russians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 9 49 minutes ago, Gepetto said: I would disagree with your assertions. We don't want to sign a security guarantee with Ukraine, because we don't want to be dragged into a war with Russia. We won’t be dragged into a war. That’s the point. Putin is taking these areas because he can. Without our security guarantee this will just keep repeating itself. He can get the land he’s stolen in a deal, but we dictate what happens with Ukraine after. Not them. We have spent the last three years crossing the redlines he BS’s about that would cause WW3. He’s not going to blow up the world but he will take what he can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,988 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, thegeneral said: Why are we letting Russia dictate everything after how this has played out? They are giving up nothing, getting everything. What are you expecting? Are you expecting Putin to lay down his arms and go back to Russia? You already know how it's ending, so we need to have a relationship with Russia, good or bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted March 10 15 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: What are you expecting? Are you expecting Putin to lay down his arms and go back to Russia? You already know how it's ending, so we need to have a relationship with Russia, good or bad. He gets like 20% of Ukraine. He can fock off then. Thats the deal. It’s not like we are going to be best buddies with them. I’m sure he’d love this deal that is being rumored here. He gets everything he wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
