NFL 2025 Offseason/ Draft

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On 4/26/2025 at 4:58 PM, Ron_Artest said:

Dart is white too.  Does he already have Gano and Devito?

You think the there is no difference between these players because they are white? What a maroon.  You’re sad. 

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Giants had a really good draft. I could see 6-7 wins and a last place finish. Probably good enough to buy their moron HC and GM another few seasons.  

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I was pleased with the Jets draft. They made the right decision last year (I am someone who sort of supported Joe Douglas as being better than he got credit for, all things considered) taking Fashanu. Jets fans point to Brock Bowers but given Rodgers was our guy, and he doesn't do well with rookies and we needed to protect him better, Fashanu was the smart move. 

So to stick to the OL and grab Membou who I love and was my top lineman, especially with his natural RT fit... it completes what should be a very good line for the next 5+ years. The next few picks showed that Aaron Glenn is going to try to build this team like the Lions. Mason Taylor could easily be their Sam LaPorta. I was personally hoping for Revel at CB in round 3 and he went a few picks later to Dallas. CB was a need after losing DJ Reed (despite signing Brandon Stephens).  Then they use their 4th round pick on Arian Smith who reminds a LOT of a poor mans Jameson Williams. Very fast, deep threat with drop issues. Williams was a 1st rounder so just comparing their styles not college production. 

Of course building this team like the Lions (Garrett Wilson as Amon-Ra, Breece Hall and Braelon Allen as Gibbs and Montgomery, etc) is all well and good aside from the fact that Detroit has Goff who I have always viewed as an underrated QB, while the Jets are rolling with mr no accuracy, no awareness Justin Fields.  Goff has been much more than a game manager and thats the role where Fields looked successful in last year. If he can't take a step forward with his reads and accuracy, it won't matter. 

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15 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You think the there is no difference between these players because they are white? What a maroon.  You’re sad. 

You said you wanted your kid to have a white players jersey.   Do you care who it is as long as they are white?  Does your kid care?

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

You said you wanted your kid to have a white players jersey.   Do you care who it is as long as they are white?  Does your kid care?

I said that? 

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17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I said that? 

 

On 4/26/2025 at 4:34 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Giants got Skataboo! Yes! I’m going to get my boy a jersey. Cuz, you know.  

 

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

Sorry you don’t like the pick. I think Giants fans are going to love this guy. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sorry you don’t like the pick. I think Giants fans are going to love this guy. 

I love the pick.  Loved him at ASU, will love him on the Giants.  He's a dawg, we need more dawgs, he'll bring another edge to the offense like Malik.

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

I love the pick.  Loved him at ASU, will love him on the Giants.  He's a dawg, we need more dawgs, he'll bring another edge to the offense like Malik.

But you think we like him just because he’s white. Sad. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

But you think we like him just because he’s white. Sad. 

What did you mean when you said you would buy your kid his jersey because, you know...

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8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What did you mean when you said you would buy your kid his jersey because, you know...

He’s a tough RB. Like Jacobs. Haven’t had that since. Were you upset when the Giants passed on Sanders? You had said you wanted him. 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Were you upset when the Giants passed on Sanders? You had said you wanted him. 

Of course not.  I said we could get him a year ago but it became clear over the past year that he's got some issues.  Dart was not my first choice of QB prospect but I understand why they took him and hope they can develop him.

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13 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I love the pick.  Loved him at ASU, will love him on the Giants.  He's a dawg, we need more dawgs, he'll bring another edge to the offense like Malik.

Good pick at a low price but he'll be fairly limited as a pro. He's a bulldog but a one trick Pony who's slow to hit the hole. That'll catch up quick to him as a pro. That's if his running style doesn't get him killed first. 

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course not.  I said we could get him a year ago but it became clear over the past year that he's got some issues.  Dart was not my first choice of QB prospect but I understand why they took him and hope they can develop him.

Sanders had a great year. What issues? 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sanders had a great year. What issues? 

Attitude and personality issues.

Why get your kid a skattebo jersey and not a Carter jersey, because you know....

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39 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Why get your kid a skattebo jersey and not a Carter jersey, because you know....

Know what? A kid isn't allowed to like Skateboo more? What do you say to to the Black Father who buys his kid a Carter jersey and not a Skateboo jersey?? 

Is that any different or is it a one way street?? You're pathetic sometimes 

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21 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Know what? A kid isn't allowed to like Skateboo more? What do you say to to the Black Father who buys his kid a Carter jersey and not a Skateboo jersey?? 

Is that any different or is it a one way street?? You're pathetic sometimes 

The kid can like whatever player they want.  When a father buys a specific jersey for their kid because, you know....

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On 4/26/2025 at 8:31 PM, iam90sbaby said:

But when you have a player that’s an elite level at both positions, don’t you want to see how his game translates to pro before you lock him in at a position? 

I would want them to see if he has a bigger impact at WR or DB, although common sense tells you if he's just as good at either position, he will have the bigger impact as a receiver. With the NFL being skewed to offense and top WRs remaining game changers for longer in their careers, generally speaking. 

But as others have pointed out, this is the NFL not college. We don't even know yet if he is elite at both or even either position. The level of competition is so elevated, the idea that he's going to really be a true 2 way player is going to be tough to manifest. I think it's more likely he gets a package of plays on offense of defense

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5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The kid can like whatever player they want.  When a father buys a specific jersey for their kid because, you know....

Say it. Blacks are racist when they buy their Kids a black players jersey. Because, you know.... 

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18 hours ago, MDC said:

Giants had a really good draft. I could see 6-7 wins and a last place finish. Probably good enough to buy their moron HC and GM another few seasons.  

Wow, you're much higher on them than I am. I see 4 wins and a last place finish if they're lucky. 

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12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The kid can like whatever player they want.  When a father buys a specific jersey for their kid because, you know....

He’s tough. Like his father. 

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On 4/27/2025 at 8:52 AM, listen2me 23 said:

Sure.  But trading a future 1st and picking a guy 2nd overall.....youd like to think they have a strong idea of where he will be played and where they like him best.  

Its a unique situation so hard to compare.  But you dont draft a guy 2nd overall and have no idea what side of the ball he will mostly play.  On a smaller level it would be like taking a tackle at 2.  Then after saying well we need a tackle but he might play guard.  We dont know yet its all up in the air.  

You'd like to think that but the teams drafting up top are usually drafting up there for a reason. It wouldn't shock me at all if a franchise like Jacksonville was willing to give up what they gave up, in part because of the eyeballs, ticket sales, jersey sales etc that a unicorn like Travis Hunter will bring at the onset.  He may not wind up being the best rookie WR or the best rookie DB but he will be almost a lock to be the most popular rookie.  And of course he's an immense talent, not just a gimmick. 

I also think your example of the tackle at 2 is perfectly reasonable but that may just be the recent Jets on my mind, signing 2 veteran tackles and still drafting a top LT in 2024 knowing he would start the season on the bench.  It's situational. I think teams should have a good idea of a rookies long term position but be flexible as they adjust to the NFL.  Fashanu was drafted to be the franchise LT but he got his first starts at RT, eventually LT and even started at RG. 

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8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Say it. Blacks are racist when they buy their Kids a black players jersey. Because, you know.... 

Ron Artest, whoevers alias that is, is kind of slow in general but HT did write ", cuz you know"  which very clearly means "because he's a white RB"  and then when asked about it deflected to liking or not liking the pick.  

I couldn't care less but obvious is obvious. 

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Oh lord.  Grow a sense of humor you wash women. I guess Wayne Chrebet was better than Keyshawn,Jets doofus. Lighten the Fock up 

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Philly will be Philly, Washington isn't going anywhere... but Dallas is trending down and the Giants have nowhere to trend but up.  Daboll and Schoen were out of excuses already but there are absolutely no excuses this year. Any excuse you could make for them would just be a repeat of the last few seasons. 

Russell Wilson should, if nothing else, provide veteran leadership. Or you could pivot to Jameis who, if nothing else, can sling it and keep guys like Nabers happy.  "Daboll never had his own QB to develop!"  (as if he really is responsible for Josh Allen)... well you traded up for Dart.  The Giants should have a good defense front and pass rush, a stud WR, a solid RB...  the real question is what have the Giants done to address their putrid offensive line?

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh lord.  Grow a sense of humor you wash women. I guess Wayne Chrebet was better than Keyshawn,Jets doofus. Lighten the Fock up 

I literally said I don't care at all. I was explaining it to maxipad. 

Yes, Wayne Chrebet was better than Keyshawn  

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

I literally said I don't care at all. I was explaining it to maxipad. 

Yes, Wayne Chrebet was better than Keyshawn  

Yeah, you know, cuz

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Philly will be Philly, Washington isn't going anywhere... but Dallas is trending down and the Giants have nowhere to trend but up.  Daboll and Schoen were out of excuses already but there are absolutely no excuses this year. Any excuse you could make for them would just be a repeat of the last few seasons. 

Russell Wilson should, if nothing else, provide veteran leadership. Or you could pivot to Jameis who, if nothing else, can sling it and keep guys like Nabers happy.  "Daboll never had his own QB to develop!"  (as if he really is responsible for Josh Allen)... well you traded up for Dart.  The Giants should have a good defense front and pass rush, a stud WR, a solid RB...  the real question is what have the Giants done to address their putrid offensive line?

The NYG O-Line did improve in 2024 but what hurt them was injuries.  Losing Thomas hurt but they still ranked 23 for the season.   They added 2 swing tackles, would have liked to see an IOL added in the draft but it didn't work out.  We're not at week 1 so there is still room for moves but if we rank in the middle I'm good with it.  Second year for Bricillo, better QB play should help.

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29 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Ron Artest, whoevers alias that is, is kind of slow in general but HT did write ", cuz you know"  which very clearly means "because he's a white RB"  and then when asked about it deflected to liking or not liking the pick.  

I couldn't care less but obvious is obvious. 

HT says vaguely racial things for attention.

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18 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

..  the real question is what have the Giants done to address their putrid offensive line?

That's the real issue at hand. You can't have a solid run game, a good QB and an explosive offense without a good O-line

 They had a good draft but is was ass backwards, especially for the NFC East where Philly and Washington are the bullies 

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6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The NYG O-Line did improve in 2024 but what hurt them was injuries.  Losing Thomas hurt but they still ranked 23 for the season.   They added 2 swing tackles, would have liked to see an IOL added in the draft but it didn't work out.  We're not at week 1 so there is still room for moves but if we rank in the middle I'm good with it.  Second year for Bricillo, better QB play should help.

both of those tackles actually had worse PBWR's than Evan Neal... depth is depth but....  PFF had them ranked 29th.  If the only improvement is getting Thomas back from injury, i'd be concerned. 

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I stopped watching the NFL when it turned 90% ghetto and illiterate.

 

From this draft it looks like it's about 95% ghetto and illiterate now.

 

Tears times infinity.  

RIP - NFL

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Travis Kelce un- friended Ryan Reynolds. 

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30 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

both of those tackles actually had worse PBWR's than Evan Neal... depth is depth but....  PFF had them ranked 29th.  If the only improvement is getting Thomas back from injury, i'd be concerned. 

PFF had the NYG at 23 end of season: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-offensive-line-rankings-2024

Evan Neal had a 49.6 Pass Block Rating, putrid.  If you've watched him pass block, Putrid.  Andrew Thomas is a top 5 LT when healthy.  Euleumunor had a 71 pass block rating.

The improvement is Thomas back at LT, Euleumunor replaces Neal at RT, 2 swing tackles and another year of coaching.  Not saying they will great but I don't think we're looking at putrid either.

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Gutterboy is concerned that Skattebo may have too much toxic masculinity.  

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutterboy is concerned that Skattebo may have too much toxic masculinity.  

Where did I say that?

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4 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

You'd like to think that but the teams drafting up top are usually drafting up there for a reason. It wouldn't shock me at all if a franchise like Jacksonville was willing to give up what they gave up, in part because of the eyeballs, ticket sales, jersey sales etc that a unicorn like Travis Hunter will bring at the onset.  He may not wind up being the best rookie WR or the best rookie DB but he will be almost a lock to be the most popular rookie.  And of course he's an immense talent, not just a gimmick. 

I also think your example of the tackle at 2 is perfectly reasonable but that may just be the recent Jets on my mind, signing 2 veteran tackles and still drafting a top LT in 2024 knowing he would start the season on the bench.  It's situational. I think teams should have a good idea of a rookies long term position but be flexible as they adjust to the NFL.  Fashanu was drafted to be the franchise LT but he got his first starts at RT, eventually LT and even started at RG. 

I agree.  A franchise like Jacksonville....young GM....is he brand new?  They want to make an big shiny pick more than some other franchises.  Thats not saying Hunter wont be good or was worth going that high.  Not sure what their needs are exactly.   But lets say they really needed pass rush for thr sake.  Would they make that moce up for Carter?  Big time player but not nearly as exciting/shiny as Hunter.  

I dont have that much issue with what they did.  Especially because I think he will be real good.  (I doubt he can play a ton on both sides in the nfl).  But im just rarely loving moving up like that for a non QB.  

Maybe their 1st next year would bust.  Who knows.  But Jags arent a Hunter away from anything.  They sorta need their 1sts in order to bolster their roster to compete.  

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Colorado's Deion Sanders fired by son for role in Shedeur's NFL Draft slide, according to Shilo

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/colorado-s-deion-sanders-fired-by-son-for-role-in-shedeur-s-nfl-draft-slide-according-to-shilo/ar-AA1DKYzQ

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6 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

What did you mean when you said you would buy your kid his jersey because, you know...

Who cares what he meant? I know there are plenty of blacks that will steer their kids towards other black athletes. 
I’m sure most Asian baseball fans when buying a jersey get Ohtani. BFD.  

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The brother Shilo fired his dad as agent went with Drew Rousenhaus before signing with TB.