Conservatives are going to make us all Brokies

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Just now, iam90sbaby said:

Because we decided it was a good idea to build sprawling suburbs everywhere, you need a car to function in the USA, come on. 

I didn't say they shouldn't have a car.  I said they shouldn't have a car PAYMENT. And if they do have a car payment, it shouldn't be $742.  FFS I haven't had a car payment anywhere near that and I own two sports cars. 

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why should they have a car payment?  FFS.

You just wrote they can afford a car. 

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why should they have a car payment?  FFS.

So what shitlib is saying is avg rents jumped 10% and avg car payment jump 40% during Biden’s term. 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I didn't say they shouldn't have a car.  I said they shouldn't have a car PAYMENT. And if they do have a car payment, it shouldn't be $742.  FFS I haven't had a car payment anywhere near that and I own two sports cars. 

That’s the average for a new car. But fine let’s reduce it down to $200 a month. $20 is still not enough. 
Even with no car payment at all It’s barely enough maybe. $800 a month for all food and expenses, utilities, everything? Good luck with that. 

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And none of this takes into account the effects of the tariffs which we still haven’t seen. All costs are about to rise rapidly. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You just wrote they can afford a car. 

I have three cars.  None have a car payment.  HTH.

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Just now, Strike said:

I have three cars.  None have a car payment.  HTH.

You’re not working for $20 an hour. Obviously you could afford a cash sum up front. Someone making $20 an hour can’t. HTH

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s the average for a new car. But fine let’s reduce it down to $200 a month. $20 is still not enough. 
Even with no car payment at all It’s barely enough maybe. $800 a month for all food and expenses, utilities, everything? Good luck with that. 

I agree 100%.  That's why I learned a marketable skill and make a lot more than that.  You'd be one of those low income people had you not had a father hand you a career so I understand why you sympathize so much with them. 

Oh, and there's nothing preventing them from working that $20/hr job AND learning a skill to earn MORE than that so they can have the lifestyle you so think they deserve.  That's the beauty of American. Upward mobility is there for the taking.  It's the land of opportunity.  If someone is 45 years old and slinging fries at McDonalds because they chose not to seize that opportunity that's unfortunate.

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re not working for $20 an hour. Obviously you could afford a cash sum up front. Someone making $20 an hour can’t. HTH

They don't have to own the cars I own.  They can own a 20 year old Civic.  Heck, my 4runner is almost 20 years old and runs as well as the day I bought it.  So buy a 20 year old car.  Nothing wrong with 20 year old cars and they're much more affordable.

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5 minutes ago, Strike said:

They don't have to own the cars I own.  They can own a 20 year old Civic.  Heck, my 4runner is almost 20 years old and runs as well as the day I bought it.  So buy a 20 year old car.  Nothing wrong with 20 year old cars and they're much more affordable.

I just helped a group of Afghan refugees by a 25 year old car. It was $5500. Basically I loaned them the money. Where do you get $5500 if you’re making $20 an hour and paying for monthly expenses? Answer: you don’t. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I just helped a group of Afghan refugees by a 25 year old car. It was $5500. Basically I loaned them the money. Where do you get $5500 if you’re making $20 an hour and paying for monthly expenses? Answer: you don’t. 

Depends on your age.  How did I have a car when I was just out on my own making $11/hour and paying rent?  Somehow I was able to do so.  And living in one of the most expensive cities in the world.  Amazing what one can do when they put their mind to it!!!

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

I agree 100%.  That's why I learned a marketable skill and make a lot more than that.  You'd be one of those low income people had you not had a father hand you a career so I understand why you sympathize so much with them. 

Oh, and there's nothing preventing them from working that $20/hr job AND learning a skill to earn MORE than that so they can have the lifestyle you so think they deserve.  That's the beauty of American. Upward mobility is there for the taking.  It's the land of opportunity.  If someone is 45 years old and slinging fries at McDonalds because they chose not to seize that opportunity that's unfortunate.

OK let’s go back. YOU are the one who asserted that someone making $20 per hour can afford a studio apartment and a car. All I did was dispute that assertion. I didn’t make any comments or arguments about what people should earn, the marketplace, upward mobility, etc. I didn’t make any arguments at all; all I did was refute your assertion which was clearly wrong. 
Not sure why you persist in always bringing up my personal situation. Yes I inherited a business that I worked hard in for 30 years before inheriting it. It’s a business I helped build. Yes I’m financially comfortable, but that came at a cost of losing my mom and brother to cancer and my dad to a heart attack; trust me it wasn’t a worthwhile trade off. And that’s all I’ll say about my situation which you know nothing about. 

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Average McDonald’s workers wage = $13/hr

 Average rent 1 bedroom apartment = $1500/mo

 Average new car payment = $740/mo

Average used car payment = $520/mo

 Georgia minimum wage = $5.15/hr

 Federal minimum wage = $7.25/hr

 just looking at the fact that Georgia still hasn’t raised its minimum wage should give clue to how backwards red states are. 

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1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

Because we decided it was a good idea to build sprawling suburbs everywhere, you need a car to function in the USA, come on. 

Timmy is saying $742 car payment? When have you ever needed to have a $742 car payment? 

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21 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Timmy is saying $742 car payment? When have you ever needed to have a $742 car payment? 

Someone making 20 an hour should be driving around in a 4k beater with no payments. Nonetheless, I don’t think minimum wage should be raised or anything, I just wish our culture would change.  

Businesses pay you the least amount possible instead of what you should make. CEO to worker pay ratios in the USA are ridiculous. They are 200:1 in most cases. In a lot of countries that would be considered shameful behavior, especially considering alot of their workers are on some kind of assistance. 
 
The CEO of Japan Airlines when the company was struggling, cut all his perks, rode public transportation and took a massive pay cut, and there a similar story with Nintendo/Iwata. I just wish we could get some of that mentality here, where we all are playing the game together.

I think all the good western elite went down with the titanic lol 

 /rant 

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54 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Someone making 20 an hour should be driving around in a 4k beater with no payments. Nonetheless, I don’t think minimum wage should be raised or anything, I just wish our culture would change.  

Businesses pay you the least amount possible instead of what you should make. CEO to worker pay ratios in the USA are ridiculous. They are 200:1 in most cases. In a lot of countries that would be considered shameful behavior, especially considering alot of their workers are on some kind of assistance. 
 
The CEO of Japan Airlines when the company was struggling, cut all his perks, rode public transportation and took a massive pay cut, and there a similar story with Nintendo/Iwata. I just wish we could get some of that mentality here, where we all are playing the game together.

I think all the good western elite went down with the titanic lol 

 /rant 

In all the jobs I've had, I never cared what the other employees made. In my last career job of 21 years I was paid very fairly. So much so that I never needed to want to have to be a senior manager or anything like that. They were responsible for sales and such and I in no way wanted to do that type of work. 

In my 30s I went back to school to Devry for God's sake, got my degree and then a job with a large consulting firm. Started out making little money, proved myself and a couple years later was making in the $70k range. A couple years later I was in the $120k range and I openly turned down managerial promotions the whole time. I just wanted to be a worker bee. 

I don't think this is an atypical story by any means. 

Up to 35 I worked hard doing other things and made in the 30-35k range doing other things I was interested in at the time. I worked my ass off for it, but it taught me life lessons and I was perfectly happy doing it. Had a lot of fun (if not too much) but it was what it was. 

It's all about having the right priorities and morals in life. At least it was for me. 

There are plenty of jobs out there that pay well for people who want them. If McDonalds paid $40 and hour to assemble hamburgers, no one would want to actually go to school and become intelligent and do more difficult jobs that are necessary. 

 

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

In all the jobs I've had, I never cared what the other employees made. In my last career job of 21 years I was paid very fairly. So much so that I never needed to want to have to be a senior manager or anything like that. They were responsible for sales and such and I in no way wanted to do that type of work. 

In my 30s I went back to school to Devry for God's sake, got my degree and then a job with a large consulting firm. Started out making little money, proved myself and a couple years later was making in the $70k range. A couple years later I was in the $120k range and I openly turning down managerial promotions the whole time. I just wanted to be a worker bee. 

I don't think this is an atypical story by any means. 

Up to 35 I worked hard doing other things and made in the 30-35k range doing other things I was interested in at the time. I worked my ass off for it, but it taught me life lessons and I was perfectly happy doing it. Had a lot of fun (if not too much) but it was what it was. 

It's all about having the right priorities and morals in life. At least it was for me. 

There are plenty of jobs out there that pay well for people who want them. If McDonalds paid $40 and hour to assemble hamburgers, no one would want to actually go to school and become intelligent and do more difficult jobs that are necessary. 

 

I’m not talking about you or me I have a great job and all my bills are paid. I’m talking about people who aren’t as fortunate as us. At the end of the day someone has to work unskilled jobs, and they should be able to have a fairly comfortable life too. 

I don’t think McDonald’s workers should make 40 an hour, I just don’t think it should cost 1750 a month to rent a drywall box in a cookie cutter neighborhood. More like 850. 

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8 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

I’m not talking about you or me I have a great job and all my bills are paid. I’m talking about people who aren’t as fortunate as us. At the end of the day someone has to work unskilled jobs, and they should be able to have a fairly comfortable life too. 

I don’t think McDonald’s workers should make 40 an hour, I just don’t think it should cost 1750 a month to rent a drywall box in a cookie cutter neighborhood. More like 850. 

Well, I don't know much about the cost to own manage an apartment building or build a new house on an open lot (a majority of people don't live in Waco, TX type towns across the US), but I think it could be significant. 

I am however all in on companies trying to compete with each other by taking pride in taking care of their employees. If McDonalds were willing to buck the trend of low pay wages in an unskilled labor force, they could build their company by getting better employees who want those jobs vs. Popeye's Chicken who may pay $5 an hour less for their employees. Now, I'm just making up that scenario (I don't know what either pay), but, when companies get good reputations for treating employees well, the word gets out for sure.