Illegal Immigration and the Impact on National Home Prices

[Maximum Overkill 2,638]

41 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, thanks for agreeing with me (and disagreeing with Vance) that illegals weren’t driving up overall home prices nationally  

I will say that Illegal Aliens did drive prices up in the sense that they cost the Builder/GC a lot of money with all the callbacks and warranty issues due to sporty work. That would be the only argument that anyone could have. The quality has definitely gone down due to slave wages and under skilled illegal aliens in the trades. 

[TimHauck 3,458]

Inspired by your comment in a different thread, @jonnyutah can you share the source you used to determine rents were apparently tanking in “the southwest”?

Here’s Zillow for example:

National: -2.4%

Phoenix: -3.4% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/phoenix-az/)

Houston: +1.3% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/houston-tx/)

Albuquerque: +3% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/albuquerque-nm/)

San Antonio: -2.4% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/san-antonio-tx/)

 

So I may need to take back saying I agreed with you, and you may not be right.  But if you have data that says otherwise please share.  The fact that rent appears to be decreasing nationally, yet increasing in cities like Houston with traditionally large illegal immigrant populations, is further evidence that illegal immigration is not a significant factor in home prices.  And at best, you could maybe claim the difference in national trend and a particular city can be explained by mass deportations, but among most of the larger cities in the southwest, only Phoenix even has that (by 1%).  And of course Phoenix is no stranger to real estate bubbles of which many (including @edjr I’m sure) believe we are in one that has little if anything to do with illegal immigration.

[TimHauck 3,458]

On 10/30/2025 at 9:48 AM, TimHauck said:

Inspired by your comment in a different thread, @jonnyutah can you share the source you used to determine rents were apparently tanking in “the southwest”?

Here’s Zillow for example:

National: -2.4%

Phoenix: -3.4% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/phoenix-az/)

Houston: +1.3% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/houston-tx/)

Albuquerque: +3% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/albuquerque-nm/)

San Antonio: -2.4% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/san-antonio-tx/)

 

So I may need to take back saying I agreed with you, and you may not be right.  But if you have data that says otherwise please share.  The fact that rent appears to be decreasing nationally, yet increasing in cities like Houston with traditionally large illegal immigrant populations, is further evidence that illegal immigration is not a significant factor in home prices.  And at best, you could maybe claim the difference in national trend and a particular city can be explained by mass deportations, but among most of the larger cities in the southwest, only Phoenix even has that (by 1%).  And of course Phoenix is no stranger to real estate bubbles of which many (including @edjr I’m sure) believe we are in one that has little if anything to do with illegal immigration.

Bump for @jonnyutah, are you going to share your source for “what’s happening to rents in the Southwest”?

[jonnyutah 560]

On 10/30/2025 at 6:48 AM, TimHauck said:

Inspired by your comment in a different thread, @jonnyutah can you share the source you used to determine rents were apparently tanking in “the southwest”?

Here’s Zillow for example:

National: -2.4%

Phoenix: -3.4% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/phoenix-az/)

Houston: +1.3% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/houston-tx/)

Albuquerque: +3% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/albuquerque-nm/)

San Antonio: -2.4% (https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/san-antonio-tx/)

 

So I may need to take back saying I agreed with you, and you may not be right.  But if you have data that says otherwise please share.  The fact that rent appears to be decreasing nationally, yet increasing in cities like Houston with traditionally large illegal immigrant populations, is further evidence that illegal immigration is not a significant factor in home prices.  And at best, you could maybe claim the difference in national trend and a particular city can be explained by mass deportations, but among most of the larger cities in the southwest, only Phoenix even has that (by 1%).  And of course Phoenix is no stranger to real estate bubbles of which many (including @edjr I’m sure) believe we are in one that has little if anything to do with illegal immigration.

More stupidity to deal with. Omg sorry i didnt immediately answer you while i was suspended!!! Let me get right on it! 

Houston has never been considered part of the southwest. You show yourself immediately as having an agenda. 

The three largest population centers in the southwest are the las vegas valley, the valley of the sun, and el paso. 

All three are experiencing declines.

New mexico is the outlier currently, but of course it is. It is a booming new tech area with a low starting population. 

[TimHauck 3,458]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

More stupidity to deal with. Omg sorry i didnt immediately answer you while i was suspended!!! Let me get right on it! 

Houston has never been considered part of the southwest. You show yourself immediately as having an agenda. 

The three largest population centers in the southwest are the las vegas valley, the valley of the sun, and el paso. 

All three are experiencing declines.

New mexico is the outlier currently, but of course it is. It is a booming new tech area with a low starting population. 

Didn’t realize you were suspended, it wasn’t me.  While you’re wrong a lot, I don’t recall seeing you say anything really worthy of being suspended for.

I’m a lifelong east coaster, I always considered Texas as a whole to be part of the Southwest but I’ll accept your definition.  But of course Houston still hurts your claim of mass deportations impacting housing costs because there’s still a crap ton of illegals there.

But lol that you’d claim New Mexico is an outlier, while simultaneously using Las Vegas for your argument.  If there’s one city that shouldn’t be used as a comparison for others in almost any category, it’s probably Las Vegas.  I’m sure there are so many other factors going on there that are more culpable for price declines, such as the expansion of gambling in other places, Bidenflation and Tarifflation giving people less disposable income to visit, etc.

And even places like Phoenix (and El Paso too) look to be barely down any more than the country as a whole.   Is your big revelation that mass deportations may have resulted in reduced housing costs by at most, somewhere between 0.5-1%?

[Maximum Overkill 2,638]

More people = Higher Demand

Higher Demand = Higher Prices

This goes for both apartments and single family homes. 

Less Illegal immigrant will lower the demand on housing. Pretty simple equation IMO. 

 

[TimHauck 3,458]

15 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

More people = Higher Demand

Higher Demand = Higher Prices

This goes for both apartments and single family homes. 

Less Illegal immigrant will lower the demand on housing. Pretty simple equation IMO. 

 

Mass deportations will effect the supply side of the equation as well

[Maximum Overkill 2,638]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Mass deportations will effect the supply side of the equation as well

Yes, thank you. Prices will drop when there's millions of new housing options available 

[TimHauck 3,458]

8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Yes, thank you. Prices will drop when there's millions of new housing options available 

Yeah because illegals are buying up all the new construction lol.

No they’re not. but they are a lot of the labor building it.

[seafoam1 3,529]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah because illegals are buying up all the new construction lol.

No they’re not. but they are a lot of the labor building it.

Love watching them getting scooped up by ICE. Maybe all the liberals whining about jobs will learn a basic labor skill and get some job opportunities. The latter is doubtful because all liberals prefer handouts.

[jonnyutah 560]

On 11/5/2025 at 9:25 AM, TimHauck said:

Didn’t realize you were suspended, it wasn’t me.  While you’re wrong a lot, I don’t recall seeing you say anything really worthy of being suspended for.

I posted crimes (committed by black women) involving SNAP and a certain somebody got angry. She reported me. 

Posts have all been deleted and I was suspended right after. 

This will probably get me suspended too. 

 

[TimHauck 3,458]

Bahahahaha Secretary of HUD thinks illegal immigration is why real estate costs are so high.

I really hope it doesn’t happen, but it’s looking like my prediction may come true.  House prices will come down because of increased unemployment, and righties will claim it was because of deportations.

 

[TimHauck 3,458]

On 7/15/2025 at 10:05 AM, TimHauck said:

the population of Cook County is actually down about 2% (almost 100k people) from 2020 to 2024 alone.   Yet home prices are up almost 50%.

This stat proves illegal immigration isn’t a significant driver in home prices broadly.   It’s okay @jonnyutah, you can admit it.

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

Mass deportations are actually raising prices now. Whoops!

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/12/24/south-texas-ice-arrests-home-construction/

 

[Horseman 2,737]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Mass deportations are actually raising prices now. Whoops!

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/12/24/south-texas-ice-arrests-home-construction/

 

More good news. Real estate investments going UP.  

[Hardcore troubadour 16,070]

The FHA were giving mortgages to illegals under Biden. Trump put a stop to that.  Will increase inventory for citizens. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Mass deportations are actually raising prices now. Whoops!

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/12/24/south-texas-ice-arrests-home-construction/

 

So you're saying that now construction owners must pay American wages to American's?  Imagine that, gutterboy against the American worker.  Who's shocked?  No me.  He's pro-slavery.

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The FHA were giving mortgages to illegals under Biden. Trump put a stop to that.  Will increase inventory for citizens. 

Another lie.

The policy was for daca, which are legal.

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So you're saying that now construction owners must pay American wages to American's?  Imagine that, gutterboy against the American worker.  Who's shocked?  No me.  He's pro-slavery.

No I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying there aren't enough construction workers now, which means less construction, less supply, higher prices.  Do you understand that?

[seafoam1 3,529]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying there aren't enough construction workers now, which means less construction, less supply, higher prices.  Do you understand that?

How stupid...

[Hardcore troubadour 16,070]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Another lie.

The policy was for daca, which are legal.

No illegals got mortgages? Is that what you’re saying? 

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No illegals got mortgages? Is that what you’re saying? 

Illegals are not eligible for FHA mortgages, yes that is the law.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,070]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Illegals are not eligible for FHA mortgages, yes that is the law.

That’s not what I asked. 

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s not what I asked. 

You said the FHA was giving illegals mortgages.  That's a lie.  You got schooled.  Now sit down.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,070]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

You said the FHA was giving illegals mortgages.  That's a lie.  You got schooled.  Now sit down.

They did. Also, you’ve been posting here all day. Who shoveled your driveway? Lazy fock

[TimHauck 3,458]

32 minutes ago, Horseman said:

More good news. Real estate investments going UP.  

I kinda agree here, people hoping for house prices to come down need to be careful what they wish for, if the housing market tanks much of the economy will tank with it.

Of course I wouldn’t be so confident that prices will keep going up.  But not because of mass deportations

[TimHauck 3,458]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No illegals got mortgages? Is that what you’re saying? 

Not enough to have any impact on home prices 

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They did. Also, you’ve been posting here all day. Who shoveled your driveway? Lazy fock

No they didn't.  You're a liar.

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I kinda agree here, people hoping for house prices to come down need to be careful what they wish for, if the housing market tanks much of the economy will tank with it.

Of course I wouldn’t be so confident that prices will keep going up.  But not because of mass deportations

There is a difference between tanking and stabilizing.

[seafoam1 3,529]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is a difference between tanking and stabilizing.

And ignorant liberal TDS infected ignorant posts like gutternut's posts. 

It must be rough. 

[Horseman 2,737]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Another lie.

The policy was for daca, which are legal.

DACA doesn't provide legal status Einstein.  It's only temporary protection which we're chipping away at everyday.  In other words - illegal. 

Too easy.  

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

DACA doesn't provide legal status Einstein.  It's only temporary protection which we're chipping away at everyday.  In other words - illegal. 

Too easy.  

Yes, they are temporarily legal.  You're an idiot.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,070]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes, they are temporarily legal.  You're an idiot.

So you don’t shovel your driveway? Lazy 

[Horseman 2,737]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Yes, they are temporarily legal.  You're an idiot.

Words matter Tiny Brain.

There is no such thing as "temporarily legal". You just made that up. Its temporary "protection" from things like deportation (we deport them anyway, because they are here illegally).  It doesn't even provide a pathway to legality or citizenship. 

That doesn't make what they did legal or provide any legal status. You lose again. Banned_Artest's favorite letter:

L

[Ron_Artest 2,502]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Words matter Tiny Brain.

There is no such thing as "temporarily legal". You just made that up. Its temporary "protection" from things like deportation (we deport them anyway, because they are here illegally).  It doesn't even provide a pathway to legality or citizenship. 

That doesn't make what they did legal or provide any legal status. You lose again. Banned_Artest's favorite letter:

L

If you have temporary protection than you are here legally you idiot.

[Horseman 2,737]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you have temporary protection than you are here legally you idiot.

Than you are?   You have so much trouble with English. 

They wouldn't need temporary protection if they were here legally.

Keep telling yourself they're legal while the temporary protections get stripped away and more and more get deported......because they are here ILLEGALLY.  

 

[TimHauck 3,458]

43 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is a difference between tanking and stabilizing.

Yes, prices plateauing would probably be best case scenario for Trump