Israel Gaza thread- Trump warns that if Hamas continues to kill people “We will have to go in there and kill them.”

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s the same deal & Baskin isn’t the only one to say that. It was also reported last summer that Trump - who had zero official role but nonetheless was talking to people like Netanyahu, Putin & Xi - was talking to Bibi & that he encouraged Netanyahu to wait because the co flick was bad for the Dems, which it was. 

But I’ll tell you who else is celebrating & even more loudly - the Palestinians, Hamas & the Arabs.

I do think one thing has changed though - who will get the redevelopment contracts. IMO Trump & his Arab benefactors have done a good amount of self-dealing there that didn’t exist last summer, which was probably Trump’s real goal last summer.
 

Not only did waiting cause I told more deaths & destruction & thee loss of hostages but it was also bad for Israel & the US. Now almost 200 nations recognize a Palestine state, including our closest allies who have just blown off the US. And Trump has made himself & the US the middle of all this instead of relying on international consensus.

Hamas was always going to have to stand down. What was never resolved, & still isn’t, is how. Post deal they’ve been free to conduct reprisals & purges. And the US has authorized them to do so. And a couple days ago Trump said that if they don’t disarm themselves the US will disarm them. And we’ve committed 200 trooos to do that, which is fewer than what we’re sending to our own cities to confront protestors in costumes. 

Disarming Hamas is an impossibility. About as likely as trying to disarm all citizens living in the state of Louisiana. 

Hamas offered to give up their long range missiles and heavy weapons, but not their small arms. Since I suspect they’re extremely low or completely out of the former anyhow, this isn’t real hardship for them. And I also suspect it will be accepted. 

The bigger quandary is this: who in their right mind is going to invest in rebuilding Gaza with Hamas still in place there having murdered all viable opposition? How is this peace supposed to proceed from here? 

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Disarming Hamas is an impossibility. About as likely as trying to disarm all citizens living in the state of Louisiana. 

Hamas offered to give up their long range missiles and heavy weapons, but not their small arms. Since I suspect they’re extremely low or completely out of the former anyhow, this isn’t real hardship for them. And I also suspect it will be accepted. 

The bigger quandary is this: who in their right mind is going to invest in rebuilding Gaza with Hamas still in place there having murdered all viable opposition? How is this peace supposed to proceed from here? 

Also what about free & fair elections? What about democracy? There’s been no talk of that at all. Yet when Hamas came to power that’s how it happened, an election & there was never another one. There’s the whole Oslo framework which is supposed to structure how Palestine - West Bank & Gaza - is governed & it needs to be enforced for any of this to move forward. And obviously Trump & Netanyahu hate that framework but without it there can be no peace or the sort of stability needed for development.

[TimHauck 3,255]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Disarming Hamas is an impossibility. About as likely as trying to disarm all citizens living in the state of Louisiana. 

Hamas offered to give up their long range missiles and heavy weapons, but not their small arms. Since I suspect they’re extremely low or completely out of the former anyhow, this isn’t real hardship for them. And I also suspect it will be accepted. 

The bigger quandary is this: who in their right mind is going to invest in rebuilding Gaza with Hamas still in place there having murdered all viable opposition? How is this peace supposed to proceed from here? 

I guess they can make it like parts of Jamaica and Mexico with nice resorts but no one leaves the resort?

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Also what about free & fair elections? What about democracy? There’s been no talk of that at all. Yet when Hamas came to power that’s how it happened, an election & there was never another one. There’s the whole Oslo framework which is supposed to structure how Palestine - West Bank & Gaza - is governed & it needs to be enforced for any of this to move forward. And obviously Trump & Netanyahu hate that framework but without it there can be no peace or the sort of stability needed for development.

Elections don’t work in an undeveloped society. We should have learned this by now but we don’t. 20 years ago we tried to force Iraq to have elections. The results were entirely predictable: Sunnis voted for the Sunnis, Shiites voted for the Shiites, and Kurds voted for the Kurds. And people were threatened and killed and the usual corruption, and those elected immediately tried to end all further elections. 
 

Free elections require years of an educated populace and western values (eg the rights and identity of the individual). Otherwise you’re wasting your time. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,347]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Elections don’t work in an undeveloped society

Like Chicago, NY & LA? 

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Like Chicago, NY & LA? 

Sigh. Can I switch my vote? 

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

Trump just now: 

“If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the Deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them!” 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115385030312911724

First question of many: who is “we”? 

[Strike 5,962]

Wait.  I was told yesterday that Trump gave permission for Hamas to kill people.

[Strike 5,962]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

 

First question of many: who is “we”? 

You and me Tim.  Grab your musket.  I'll meet you at LAX.

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump just now: 

“If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the Deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them!” 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115385030312911724

First question of many: who is “we”? 

= US boots on the ground.

[Maximum Overkill 2,347]

21 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

= US boots on the ground.

= Cruise missiles

Don't be dramatic about it  

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

= Cruise missiles

Don't be dramatic about it  

MO I can’t believe I’m saying this but you’re naive on this. We didn’t disarm the Nazis & Baathists with bombs. We went in there & took it from them & threw them out of government & took their weapons. The Gazans have seen their cities leveled Warsaw style + 70K killed. 3,000 taken prisoner. They’ve been doing this since Roman times.

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

= Cruise missiles

Don't be dramatic about it  

Stop killing civilians or we’ll bomb the crap out of your civilians! 
Makes sense. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,347]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Stop killing civilians or we’ll bomb the crap out of your civilians! 
Makes sense. 

Who's who??? 

[thegeneral 3,509]

So we are saying there’s not actually peace in this region despite a deal? Who could have seen this coming.

[Maximum Overkill 2,347]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

So we are saying there’s not actually peace in this region despite a deal? Who could have seen this coming.

And that's Trump's fault? They're undeveloped Animals. 

[thegeneral 3,509]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And that's Trump's fault? They're undeveloped Animals. 

Nope. It’s your fault for believing every time he announces he’s made some deal. 

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And that's Trump's fault? They're undeveloped Animals. 

World War I: The First, Second & Third Battles of Gaza

That’s what the Brits thought. Second Battle of Gaza, after losing the first, the Brits brought gas tipped shells & tanks. They were slaughtered.

Gaza City was leveled back then too. It’s not their first rodeo.

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

13 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Nope. It’s your fault for believing every time he announces he’s made some deal. 

Not just believing but praising him to no end. 

[seafoam1 3,369]

22 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And that's Trump's fault? They're undeveloped Animals. 

Just like in liberal run cities in the US. There is no changing it until you rid the earth of them. 

It's time to rid the world of evil violent people. 

Go Trump! 

[Maximum Overkill 2,347]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not just believing but praising him to no end. 

In Trump God Trusts 

[TimHauck 3,255]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

Wait.  I was told yesterday that Trump gave permission for Hamas to kill people.

He did.  “For a period of time.”

[seafoam1 3,369]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He did.  “For a period of time.”