Why Life May Not Be As Abundant As We Think

[The Elevator Killer 611]

1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Be very careful with how you believe the world to be. If you truly believe it is hell, that reality will be reflected or mirrored to support your belief.

I personally believe I live in heaven on earth where there is plenty of beauty and amazinf people. It's not perfect, but the planet along with the consciousness of humanity is skewing ever more toward the positive.

Earth seems to be a little of both Heaven and Hell. Then you decide what you want to focus on, or which side you want to choose. I agree, it's what you make of it. 

[Horseman 2,569]

6 hours ago, peenie said:

#That’s interesting, I never heard that before but have certainly thought that maybe we’re all in hell here. I mean when you really look at the brutality of nature and the selfishness of humanity, it does seem like a horrible place. 

I think it’s hard to think of things outside of what we’ve been taught, take this view on time:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNisdVSs6aQ/?igsh=ZjZ6MGU2a2t0N3M2

Selfishness is the cornerstone of survival.  Genes, family, tribe, species. In that order.  I think it's beautiful.  

[peenie 1,920]

I see the beauty of life, I do. But, I mean, if you look at plants and flowers, or birds or any creature, you can see the struggle for life. It's kind of brutal when you look at the facts and not just from the outside. 

 

 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,276]

10 hours ago, The Elevator Killer said:

Earth seems to be a little of both Heaven and Hell. Then you decide what you want to focus on, or which side you want to choose. I agree, it's what you make of it. 

Agreed. It's not perfect by any stretch. It's fact that our words, thoughts, and beliefs shape our reality. That's enough to make me never start calling Earth a form of hell.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,276]

7 hours ago, peenie said:

I see the beauty of life, I do. But, I mean, if you look at plants and flowers, or birds or any creature, you can see the struggle for life. It's kind of brutal when you look at the facts and not just from the outside. 

 

 

There is some brutality, but living organisms don't evolve in complete comfort. How evolved are the people who sit on the couch all day eating comfort food with their favorite distraction on TV?

We grow the most when we are uncomfortable.

In order for life to exist, there must be a give and take among all creatures in the ecosystems. Without any brutality, life wouldn't exist.

Life is also meant to be different at the animalistic level of consciousness. They act on basic needs and instinct at all times. They don't have the ability to reason, for the most part. We cannot compare the state of nature to humanity and assume brutality must exist in higher groupings of consciousness.

We all can see that the path of death and selfishness can't go on forever. Technology will tip the balance of power either in favor of the negative forces or the positive forces. One side using it for control. The other using it for education and orchestrating connection.

[TheNewGirl 1,533]

On 8/19/2025 at 10:23 AM, peenie said:

I see the beauty of life, I do. But, I mean, if you look at plants and flowers, or birds or any creature, you can see the struggle for life. It's kind of brutal when you look at the facts and not just from the outside. 

 

 

Struggle for life, or struggle for survival? Or do you view these as the same thing? 

Animals, plants, flowers don't have a consciousness as we know it as humans. We wouldn't necessarily push a baby out of our "nest" because it was smaller than the others and we saw that it had a failure to grow and thrive. We have medical process to save babies that don't thrive, born with defects, or whatever. We can perform surgeries to save them. But even before we had these procedures, we recognized that a child wouldn't thrive, was born with a defect or whatever and do what we could. 

Animals operate on instinct alone. Cats and dogs recognize that they have a pup smaller than the rest. Why waste their bodily resources to feed it when the others are much stronger and have better chances of surviving? 

Male lions kill male cubs to ensure they have less competition. 

I tend to not look at this as brutality, but just nature. And while it's sad in some instances, it's essentially the survival of the fittest. And the effects that man has had on this can be the more brutal part. Many a species has gone extinct due to us. 

Now, if you want to get really brutal...if we were to live in a post-apocalyptic world - the sick, elderly, and very young are drains on limited resources like food, water. They are slower if you're on the move, loud, sometimes unable to understand basic direction. This is not good for a human race that is on the move or needs to move quickly. Which...is what used to happen when humans were trekking across the US to the west. The old, sick, and non-thriving young were left behind to fend for themselves. "The Indifferent Stars Above" is a great book about the Donner party and their survival (not just the cannibalism, but the people who got sick and injured along the way and were left behind). 

 

[The Elevator Killer 611]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

 

Animals, plants, flowers don't have a consciousness as we know it as humans.

But they grow better if you talk to them. Oh so they say. 

[TheNewGirl 1,533]

1 minute ago, The Elevator Killer said:

But they grow better if you talk to them. Oh so they say. 

That's why I said a consciousness as we know it as humans. 

We know whales have a consciousness; but even though their brains are larger, they have family units, and pods communicate differently; their consciousness is not like ours. Plants could be applied in this same way. 

[The Elevator Killer 611]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

That's why I said a consciousness as we know it as humans. 

We know whales have a consciousness; but even though their brains are larger, they have family units, and pods communicate differently; their consciousness is not like ours. Plants could be applied in this same way. 

That's what I was saying. I saw something about them using AI to decipher whale language, but it could of been just click bait.

[iam90sbaby 2,650]

2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

That's why I said a consciousness as we know it as humans. 

We know whales have a consciousness; but even though their brains are larger, they have family units, and pods communicate differently; their consciousness is not like ours. Plants could be applied in this same way. 

I disagree, the only difference is humans were able to develop very complex languages. Other smart animals would probably have the same “consciousness” if they were able to articulate to themselves what they were thinking. 

Look at very isolated tribes in the world, a lot of them don’t have words for past or present, etc… their “consciousness” is completely different than ours. 

[Horseman 2,569]

4 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

I disagree, the only difference is humans were able to develop very complex languages. Other smart animals would probably have the same “consciousness” if they were able to articulate to themselves what they were thinking. 

Agree, and think it's even closer than that. Just as a dog owner I know they understand hundreds of words we taught them. They don't have the vocal chords to talk, but, they can clearly single to me when they want to eat, go outside, need fresh water, etc. etc.   Just come over to my house and say "Jeep" and see what happens.  They dream too.  

Chimpanzees, our closest relatives, have 99% of human DNA. They have their own language.  Their vocalizations mirror our language and they adjust them to add meaning and create new messages.