Trump rigging midterms

[cmh6476 1,052]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Sure, but they're a democrat. That's my point. There are a lot of black people in St. Louis and KC, many of which are presumably (I don't know for sure) living in close proximity to each other. But yet, no majority black districts.

Thanks for your response, and sorry to drag you into a conversation you probably would rather avoid, being a decent human being and all. 

that's ok, I'm just trying to comprehend your point and not sure I'm understanding.  I think you also have to remember Missouri was a slave state, so when the state was in its infancy not many people of color settled here and I think that influences our demographics (probably whiter than a lot of other states).

Emmanuel Cleaver, a black Democrats represents the 5th Congressional District with a demographic of:

Race and Ethnicity

The 3 largest ethnic groups in Congressional District 5, MO

1. White (Non-Hispanic)
   455k ± 2.84k
2. Black or African American (Non-Hispanic)
   169k ± 2.03k
3. Two Races Excluding Other, & Three or More Races (Non-Hispanic)
   29.2k ± 1.92k

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and Wesley Bell, a black Democrat respresents this district in Stl.  The rest are held by white Republicans and serve mostly rural communities with a large population of white people

 

Diversity

Race and Ethnicity

The 3 largest ethnic groups in Congressional District 1, MO

1. Black or African American (Non-Hispanic)
   348k ± 2.72k
2. White (Non-Hispanic)
   315k ± 3.35k
3. Two Races Excluding Other, & Three or More Races (Non-Hispanic)
   27.1k ± 2.2k

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3 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

that's ok, I'm just trying to comprehend your point and not sure I'm understanding.  I think you also have to remember Missouri was a slave state, so when the state was in its infancy not many people of color settled here and I think that influences our demographics (probably whiter than a lot of other states).

Emmanuel Cleaver, a black Democrats represents the 5th Congressional District with a demographic of:

Race and Ethnicity

The 3 largest ethnic groups in Congressional District 5, MO

1. White (Non-Hispanic)
   455k ± 2.84k
2. Black or African American (Non-Hispanic)
   169k ± 2.03k
3. Two Races Excluding Other, & Three or More Races (Non-Hispanic)
   29.2k ± 1.92k

I'm mostly responding to claims that the new gerrymandering craze isn't preventing people from voting. That of course is technically true. But it is still a tool for voter suppression, illustrated with the fact that there are no black Republicans in the house that represent majority black districts.

My overarching point is that gerrymandering is wrong, regardless of which party is engaged in it. And the current actions being taken by boff sidez!! are just going to make the partisan rancor nastier.

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1 minute ago, Fnord said:

I'm mostly responding to claims that the new gerrymandering craze isn't preventing people from voting. That of course is technically true. But it is still a tool for voter suppression, illustrated with the fact that there are no black Republicans in the house that represent majority black districts.

My overarching point is that gerrymandering is wrong, regardless of which party is engaged in it. And the current actions being taken by boff sidez!! are just going to make the partisan rancor nastier.

don't you think that has to do with the fact that blacks more often vote for democrats than republicans?

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Just now, cmh6476 said:

don't you think that has to do with the fact that blacks more often vote for democrats than republicans?

Of course. That's the whole point of dividing the districts: to prevent (or at least decrease the chances of) black democrats from electing one.

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4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Of course. That's the whole point of dividing the districts: to prevent (or at least decrease the chances of) black democrats from electing one.

I mean, more white people are voting for Cleaver than black people, if you look at the population demographics

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I also don't know that it's a guarantee that just because you redistrict his district, Cleaver automatically loses.  Especially if they end up with 2 sitting congressional members in a race against each other (Alford & Cleaver)

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5 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

I mean, more white people are voting for Cleaver than black people, if you look at the population demographics

But that only matters if there are actually more black people than white in his district, at least as it pertains to this topic.

1 minute ago, cmh6476 said:

I also don't know that it's a guarantee that just because you redistrict his district, Cleaver automatically loses.  Especially if they end up with 2 sitting congressional members in a race against each other (Alford & Cleaver)

If they're both Republicans, they're both safe, I would think. The GOP will figure it out.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

Not one republican congressman in any of the New England States. Shut it. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not one republican congressman in any of the New England States. Shut it. 

This is also a problem.