ANOTHER case of ICE not giving due process

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https://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/1966551884208238862

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What, they couldn't have shot him in the leg???!!!!???!!!

Flipping ICE agents... they act as judge, jury, and executioner!!!!

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So I’ve read about this incident. 
 

IF the ICE agents are telling the truth, then this shooting was perfectly justified, and I have no problem with it. 
 

But unfortunately in this year of 2025 ICE has a reputation for not telling the truth on several occasions, most notably in the Kilmer Abrego Garcia case. That doesn’t mean that they’re lying this time. But on the other hand it wouldn’t surprise me if they are. I will await more confirmation. Again, if it’s true then nobody should object to this. 

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Bidens legacy. 

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During Obama's tenure, a lawsuit filed by the ACLU referred to detention facilities as "hieleras" or "iceboxes," as Salon reported. The lawsuit accused CBP of maintaining "appalling conditions" that left people in "freezing, overcrowded, and filthy cells for extended periods of time, no access to beds, soap, showers, adequate meals and water, medical care, and lawyers in violation of constitutional standards and Border Patrol's own policies."

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8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

During Obama's tenure, a lawsuit filed by the ACLU referred to detention facilities as "hieleras" or "iceboxes," as Salon reported. The lawsuit accused CBP of maintaining "appalling conditions" that left people in "freezing, overcrowded, and filthy cells for extended periods of time, no access to beds, soap, showers, adequate meals and water, medical care, and lawyers in violation of constitutional standards and Border Patrol's own policies."

They were correct. 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They were correct. 

Ever see the side by side photos of Trump's Detention Facilities and Obama's? 

Obama has them sleeping on floors, no A/C, heat, medical or dining facilities. 

Trump's have beds and pillows for every detainee, fully conditioned space (72 degrees), each location has medical facilities onsite, a dining area, games, music, etc. 

Concentration camps my asss. MSNBC is Fake News. 

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ever see the side by side photos of Trump's Detention Facilities and Obama's? 

Obama has them sleeping on floors, no A/C, heat, medical or dining facilities. 

Trump's have beds and pillows for every detainee, fully conditioned space (72 degrees), each location has medical facilities onsite, a dining area, games, music, etc. 

Concentration camps my asss. MSNBC is Fake News. 

None of those things was Trump’s idea. His idea was Alligator Alcatraz. 
Obama was awful on this issue. Biden was nearly as bad as Obama. Trump is ten times worse than either. 

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It was (D)ifferent when Obama was president 

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Videos Show How ICE Vehicle Stops Can Escalate to Shootings ~~~ A WSJ visual investigation found that the Minneapolis ICE killing is one of 13 incidents where federal immigration agents have used deadly force against civilians in vehicles since July

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A killing in Minneapolis and the shooting of two people in Portland, Ore., this week are the latest in a string of incidents involving immigration agents firing at civilian vehicles.

 

The Wall Street Journal has identified 13 instances of agents firing at or into civilian vehicles since July, leaving at least eight people shot with two confirmed dead. According to court records and lawyers, only one civilian was armed—with a concealed weapon that was never drawn—and at least five of those shot were U.S. citizens. Several federal officers reported injuries, including bruised ribs, a dislocated finger and a bite wound.

 

The Journal reviewed public records—court documents, agency press releases and gun-violence databases—of vehicle shootings involving immigration agents, though video is only publicly available for four of them. Videos for some of the other shootings remain under protective order or footage hasn’t been released by the relevant agency, despite requests from the Journal.

 

 

 

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which oversees federal immigration agents, said use of force was justified in the 13 cases and charged at least six people with assaulting a federal officer. Charges were later dismissed in three of the cases. 

 

“When faced with dangerous circumstances, DHS law enforcement used their training to protect themselves, their fellow officers, and the public,” said Homeland Security spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin after receiving a list of the incidents the Journal reviewed.

 

The shootings coincide with a surge in street-level enforcement including incidents involving vehicles, from routine traffic stops to high-risk operations tied to President Trump’s immigration crackdown. DHS officials say vehicle attacks against their agents more than doubled in 2025. A White House spokesperson said in recent weeks there have been over 100 car rammings against federal agents.

In Minneapolis on Wednesday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Nicole Good in her vehicle. Bystander video appears to show that when the agent fired, he was positioned to the side of her hood and her wheels were turned away from him as she drove forward.

 

Ross moves toward Good’s vehicle.

 

Footage verified by the Journal and a video shared on Friday by DHS show Ross moving in front of the vehicle while its engine was running, which former and current DHS agents say they are trained not to do. DHS says he fired “defensive shots” while Good was using her car as a deadly weapon, attempting to hit officers. 

The Minneapolis shooting shares characteristics with others the Journal reviewed: Agents box in a vehicle, try to remove an individual, block attempts to flee, then fire.

Over 50,000 traffic stops occur daily in the U.S., making them police’s most common public interaction. Decades of research have produced widely accepted standards for conducting them safely and effectively.

Before last January, federal immigration officials didn’t regularly conduct traffic stops, and didn’t receive extensive training in the practice, according to former DHS official Gil Kerlikowske, who served as U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner from 2014 to 2017. 

A DHS internal oversight committee reported only three “use of force” incidents in 2024 in which an agent intentionally discharged a firearm, according to the agency’s annual report. The number doesn’t include incidents involving CBP officers.

In recent months, DHS has hired thousands of agents to support Trump’s mass-deportation efforts. Amid this influx, a current ICE officer said, DHS has updated its field training; however, new recruits are given priority for the courses and it is unclear to what extent motor vehicle stops are incorporated.

DHS said that its agents are following their training during the incidents and using “appropriate force.”

The Journal spoke to current and former immigration officials, police trainers and law-enforcement researchers involved in developing policing manuals. Here’s how law-enforcement tactics escalated in the four shootings for which the Journal obtained video:

Boxing in  

The footage shows each incident started the same way: with immigration agents blocking the path of a person’s car.

Most law-enforcement organizations reserve boxing in a vehicle for high-risk felony stops, such as when the suspect is armed, according to Geoffrey Alpert, a University of South Carolina professor who trained state and local officers at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers, a training operation run by DHS.

If agents box in a target, the vehicles should be bumper to bumper, with no room for the suspect to drive away, essentially disabling the vehicle, said Alpert. 

But in three of the four shootings, agents left room for the vehicle to flee. 

Minneapolis, Jan. 7. 

 

Two angles from Wednesday’s shooting in Minneapolis show that Good had an exit path in front of her vehicle. 

From left: San Bernardino, Calif., in August; Franklin Park, Ill., in September. 

That is similar to an August case, in which ICE agents attempted to box in a truck in San Bernardino, Calif. In that instance, the driver was able to turn right onto an intersecting street. The following month in a Chicago suburb, agents failed to block a vehicle’s rear, allowing it to reverse away from officers.

‘Intrusive actions’

Footage from the shootings also shows officers approaching civilian vehicles with their engines still running—a situation police are trained to avoid. According to Kerlikowske, such training is designed to keep officers out of harm’s way.

Grabbing a car door or breaking a window are considered “intrusive actions” that can escalate the moment and create resistance from a suspect, said University of South Carolina law professor and former Tallahassee Police Department officer Seth Stoughton.    

Videos reviewed by the Journal show officers trying to open vehicle doors, reaching into vehicles and smashing windows, followed by drivers fleeing. 

From left: Minneapolis on Jan. 7; Franklin Park, Ill., in September. 

In two cases, officers smashed the vehicles’ windows within seconds of approaching. 

 

An ICE agent breaks the passenger window in Los Angeles.

 

An ICE agent shatters the driver’s side window in San Bernardino, Calif.

Police are trained to break a window only in specific circumstances, such as if the driver is armed or there is a medical emergency, said Alpert. In footage from the four cases closely reviewed by the Journal, none of the drivers had firearms, but DHS insists they were still dangerous.

Obstructing a moving vehicle 

In at least three of the shootings, officers pursued a vehicle on foot. Footage also shows officers moving into the potential path of the vehicle or clinging on to it while it moved. 

“It’s like policing 101. Don’t get in front of a car or in their potential pathway, especially if the engine is running,” said Jon Blum, a former North Carolina officer who now develops police training curricula.

From left: Minneapolis on Jan. 7; Franklin Park, Ill., in September. 

In Minnesota, one officer continued to hold on to a door handle as another officer appeared to move in front of the vehicle. In September, DHS agents grabbed on to a vehicle as it began to reverse in Franklin Park, Ill.

DHS said the target of the Franklin Park shooting “drove his car at law-enforcement officers.”

Shooting as civilians flee

Current DHS policy reviewed by the Journal states a vehicle fleeing doesn’t justify deadly force, unless the driver poses an imminent threat to someone.  

 

In Minneapolis, an ICE officer fires three shots at Good as she drives.

 

In Franklin Park, Ill., an ICE agent opens fire after the driver reverses.

 

In San Bernardino, Calif., an ICE agent shoots at a truck turning a corner.

Lethal force against a moving vehicle can be justified if an officer is in its path, like DHS says happened in Minnesota. 

In Franklin Park, DHS said, “the officer followed his training, used appropriate force, and properly enforced the law to protect the public and law enforcement.” The agency said the officer was dragged along with a moving vehicle and feared for his own life and public safety.

Firing into a moving vehicle also creates its own danger, according to Alpert.

“If I shoot you, and I’m successful, now we’ve got an unguided missile,” said Alpert. “What if there are kids playing in the street?”<<<
 

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On 9/12/2025 at 3:53 PM, Strike said:

https://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/1966551884208238862

The Franklin Park Illinois incident is pretty interesting in retrospect. It’s referenced in the WSJ report.

- Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement agent after he reversed his car & tried to flee, Gonzalez careened into a nearby truck.

- DHS claimed the officer was injured, but on the scene he said he had a few lacerations. Here the agent told local news it was “nothing major.”

- Video did not show the agent being dragged, though it may have been out of view. DHS said Rodriguez tried to run the angent over. However DHS also said there was no body cam so there was no body cam video. The only video of the incident shows the agents on the side of the car, not in front.

- This was a targeted stop, not a neighborhood sweep.

- Local news did an investigation & found nothing to back up the accusation that Gonzalez was a repeat reckless driver.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The Franklin Park Illinois incident is pretty interesting in retrospect. It’s referenced in the WSJ report.

- Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement agent after he reversed his car & tried to flee, he careened into a nearby truck.

- DHS claimed the officer was injured, but on the scene he said he had a few lacerations. Here the agent told local news it was “nothing major.”

- Video did not show the agent being dragged, doesn’t show an agent on the driver side at all. DHS said Rodriguez tried to run them over.

- This was a targeted stop, not a neighborhood sweep.

- Local news did an investigation & found nothing to back up the accusation that Rodriguez was a repeat reckless driver.

Unemployed divorcee needs a better hobby. 

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12 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Unemployed divorcee needs a better hobby. 

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Gonzalez was an employed, married father of two.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Gonzalez was an employed, married father of two.

I thought he was talking about you. 

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3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Gonzalez was an employed, married father of two.

Hit close to home?  

Except the still married part.