SaintsInDome2006 928 Posted 2 hours ago 59 minutes ago, League Champion said: It was Pretti's gun for sure. The officer took it from him and it accidentally discharged into the pavement. You can clearly see the action, it fired 100%. Sig's are known for accidental discharges. Actually I might agree with this. - But if you see it that way I’m not sure why you’re spinning wheels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,516 Posted 1 hour ago It doesn’t take much to scare these wimpy agents into a full-blown meltdown. Quote The first flew through the air like a rubber prophecy and skidded to a stop directly at the boots of a state trooper. And that’s when the United States government lost its entire mind. Before anyone could even laugh properly, before a second could achieve liftoff, before reality had time to process the absurdity of what had just happened, the cops panicked like Victorian men seeing an ankle. Tear gas. Pepper balls. Instant chaos. The very first rubber d!ck to touch government-issued leather boots triggered a full-blown chemical weapons response. That is not metaphor. That is not exaggeration. That is a literal sentence that happened in America in 2026. https://www.closertotheedge.net/p/the--distribution-delegation  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,998 Posted 49 minutes ago Welp, Walz has been exposed now. Get your popcorn ready  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,418 Posted 40 minutes ago 5 hours ago, dogcows said: What was her crime? I have no idea.  Looked like it was just coming up to them and talking to them. The video without the contect of the half hour or so preceeding tells us nothing. I have made no conclusions. You have and they are not based in anything other than your preconceived notions. I’m guessing they didn’t like what she said. Possible, I suppose So then half a dozen men are beating up a woman. One man pushed her to the ground. Your hyperbole is the path to being someone who can mot be reasoned with. Alex was a REAL MAN who stood up for her. Alex was a person who was in over his head. One who did not appreciate the situation. Was he well intentioned in his own mind and the minds of those who think like him, sure, but he ws in over his head. And he’s dead Whicn is a tradgedy, and from my view and inexcusable one. If the government is going to send armed Agents into our midst they ahve a duty to make damn sure they are incredibly well trained. These guys were not well trained. I hope they are held accountable.  but if he hadn’t stepped in, it could have been her in the morgue today Almost anything could have been. The recipe for disaster is sending masked thugs Respect and dont dox them and they would not be masked with no not, but insufficient, yes training into cities. A decent human is going to see them beating up arresting or detaining not beating up on on women and step in. He took a risk for his fellow human, and these savages shot him IN THE BACK 10 times for it. Not "they", but one, maybe representing them all, but one Lock them all up. Let criminal and civil justice be done on the one, and any others found to ahve enabled his conduct or to have covered it up. I respect your position in the sense that it applies to law enforcement generally. Unfortunately, ICE has proven they are not legitimate LEOs and are literally scooping up people, including US citizens, for their accent or skin color. The exceptional incidents do not define the rule, but to the extent taht they are they need to be disciplined, retrained,or dismissed and the peoples civil rights violations should be heard by the courts Yes, standing up to them entails risk. But it’s a risk some are willing to take.   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,418 Posted 36 minutes ago 4 hours ago, Fnord said: As always, I appreciate your reasoned and experienced perspective. I think what is missing in your appraisal and many others is that the rules have changed, and the public hasn't caught up with that. You're talking about the past, and how these things have been handled since the dawn of our nation. That calculus is gone. This is a new world order, and citizens don't have the right to do what they have in the past. You can see in this thread the conflating of "protest" and "peaceful assembly" which are the same concept. While we can rightly debate the actions of individuals being caught up in the fray, what is not debatable is that the "offenses" we're seeing by MN residents are being treated in the harshest possible terms, with seemingly no regard to the rights of those being "punished." Pretti made questionable decisions; we can't ask him to justify his thought process anymore, though. What should have been him being arrested, at worst, turned into him being executed. And you can quibble with that term, but I won't. It MAY have been accidental, but it WAS an execution, carried out in absolute violation of every single one of his civil rights, out in the street, with plenty of witnesses, backstopped by an administration that is, if not encouraging that behavior, certainly providing cover for agents engaged in it. This is not justice. This is an abortion of justice. I abhor what happened to Mr. Pretti. I support investigation of then incident and of running thsoe involved through the criminal and civil courts in support of the deceased civil rights as represented in the courts by his surviving family. I support the same for any who enabled his conduct or covered it up after the fact.  In my career I pushed for additional training for LEO's. For mandatory in service retraining and recertification every year. I advocated for Departmental directives which would have specifically prevented shooting into moving vehicles. I met with resistance from Administrators and Elected officials who would not bear the costs and from Unions who defend their membership no matter how out of line their members conduct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,516 Posted 22 minutes ago 19 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:  Thanks for the reply. We don’t agree on everything, but I appreciate your experience-based insight. I especially agree that giving the agents a fair investigation and trial if warranted based on the evidence is much better than “lock them all up” as I originally suggested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,418 Posted 15 minutes ago 19 minutes ago, dogcows said: Thanks for the reply. We don’t agree on everything, but I appreciate your experience-based insight. I especially agree that giving the agents a fair trial based on the evidence is much better than “lock them all up” as I originally suggested. The need to have law enforcement cannot be avoided. That law enforcemen, however, t needs to be among the best of us. Cognizant of our rights and our safety and respectful of that even while they have enforcement over us. Still they have to answer to us after the fact and it woudl be well if that is uppermost in their minds as they roam among us, armed. I find that particualrly true when there are not exigent circumstances demanding immediate action say a hostage situation. In picking up folks wanted on warrants or detainers there is almost never an exigent circumstance. If the matter looks like it could move sideways they should regroup, rethink, and wait for another day to enforce the matter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites