rule discussion

[The Moz 69]

First,

 

If Joc, Megla, or WW would like to be commish please let me know and the gig is all yours -- I named you 3 as I think you 3 have a level head and would do a good job - wasn't being sarcastic. seriously the gig is yours if you want it. I tried to pass it on to Joc but he wisely turned it down...

 

I haven't been on here lately becasue I have too much sh!t going on in my life to deal with the b!tching - not that thats a bad thing it's a league and you all have that right I just got tired of it at least for a while as like I said I have had alot of things going on.

 

again Megla you want the gig -- let me know.

 

Since Delay decided to make it known about payments this year - yes I was in financial hell with an lengthy IRS audit and a private lawsuit anything I had was under a microscope no matter how big or small. I did keep everyone in the loop - noone had to search me out I went to them and explained then a few months late I made good. in almost 10 years this is the first time it has happened - I was and am sorry for it. Not exusing this - but damn - do you have any idea the pain in the ass it is when I have to emal owners 3-5 months to get them to pay their fee's .....

 

When I do make a mistake in this league I always try to make up for it and even go overboard trying to do so.

 

again Joc ya want this gig please speak up...

 

* I was going to do league safe I have since thought better of it -- it's the same as always but mail the checks to Joc instead of me. Joc is the most trustworthy person in this league.

 

* Head to head is the 1st tie breaker as it is in every league I have ever been in. head to head is the first tie breaker in the NFL and so it is here.

 

* Keeper situation - I will make a post that you can make a simple vote - keep the new or go back to the old.

 

Again WW you want this gig? let a botha know

 

 

Thnaks Chad for giving me a heads up and asking to me try keep an keep a level head as I am not sure how I would have responded otherwise.

 

We need to get things sured up and final - all on the same page - then I can recruit another owner from the geek bored, and we can get started on the fun stuff we all want to.

 

again -- hell if anyone other than delay wants this gig let me know (sorry Dave you're a little too combative for this lot in a commish role and I am all but certain that would make us lose Megla) . Then again youre maybe the only one that might do it oh the irony

 

 

Lets all get on the same page and I WILL be checking in here now at least once a day to get things going............

 

Shane ( Moz)

[The Moz 69]

 

where the fook is moz anyway? :leagueisgointohellinnahandbasket:

#Mia

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

You guys should have complained about this before last year's draft. We drafted based on the rules in 2013 that affect 2014 and 2015, etc. Title of relevent thread is NEW RULE... in capital letters.

 

thats fine, like i said I am willing to admit (even though I don't buy it for 1 second) that it could have changed someones draft strategy.

 

so lets move on to my rule discussion. we know there is a Franchise and Transitional keeper. so lets discuss opening it up to ALL players, not just drafted ones. Lets hammer out the minimum cost while we are at it since that CLEARLY was not set before last years draft. And lets discuss if the Franchise player should be optional at the cost of a 1st like it has been or free of charge. None of these points would have had any impact on draft strategy.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

 

 

Again WW you want this gig? let a botha know

 

 

im not veteran enough in this league to pretend to want that gig. I just like to voice my opinion and it seems like enough people were not clear on the specifics of the keeper rules so at the very least there should be a discussion and maybe some voting on the details of the Transitional keeper.

[dehaven123 31]

First,

 

If Joc, Megla, or WW would like to be commish please let me know and the gig is all yours -- I named you 3 as I think you 3 have a level head and would do a good job - wasn't being sarcastic. seriously the gig is yours if you want it. I tried to pass it on to Joc but he wisely turned it down...

 

I haven't been on here lately becasue I have too much sh!t going on in my life to deal with the b!tching - not that thats a bad thing it's a league and you all have that right I just got tired of it at least for a while as like I said I have had alot of things going on.

 

again Megla you want the gig -- let me know.

 

Since Delay decided to make it known about payments this year - yes I was in financial hell with an lengthy IRS audit and a private lawsuit anything I had was under a microscope no matter how big or small. I did keep everyone in the loop - noone had to search me out I went to them and explained then a few months late I made good. in almost 10 years this is the first time it has happened - I was and am sorry for it. Not exusing this - but damn - do you have any idea the pain in the ass it is when I have to emal owners 3-5 months to get them to pay their fee's .....

 

When I do make a mistake in this league I always try to make up for it and even go overboard trying to do so.

 

again Joc ya want this gig please speak up...

 

* I was going to do league safe I have since thought better of it -- it's the same as always but mail the checks to Joc instead of me. Joc is the most trustworthy person in this league.

 

* Head to head is the 1st tie breaker as it is in every league I have ever been in. head to head is the first tie breaker in the NFL and so it is here.

 

* Keeper situation - I will make a post that you can make a simple vote - keep the new or go back to the old.

 

Again WW you want this gig? let a botha know

 

 

Thnaks Chad for giving me a heads up and asking to me try keep an keep a level head as I am not sure how I would have responded otherwise.

 

We need to get things sured up and final - all on the same page - then I can recruit another owner from the geek bored, and we can get started on the fun stuff we all want to.

 

again -- hell if anyone other than delay wants this gig let me know (sorry Dave you're a little too combative for this lot in a commish role and I am all but certain that would make us lose Megla) . Then again youre maybe the only one that might do it oh the irony

 

 

Lets all get on the same page and I WILL be checking in here now at least once a day to get things going............

 

Shane ( Moz)

 

so does that mean you wont put it up for a vote? i didn't know we were trying to simulate the nfl in this league.

[dehaven123 31]

First,

 

If Joc, Megla, or WW would like to be commish please let me know and the gig is all yours -- I named you 3 as I think you 3 have a level head and would do a good job - wasn't being sarcastic. seriously the gig is yours if you want it. I tried to pass it on to Joc but he wisely turned it down...

 

I haven't been on here lately becasue I have too much sh!t going on in my life to deal with the b!tching - not that thats a bad thing it's a league and you all have that right I just got tired of it at least for a while as like I said I have had alot of things going on.

 

again Megla you want the gig -- let me know.

 

Since Delay decided to make it known about payments this year - yes I was in financial hell with an lengthy IRS audit and a private lawsuit anything I had was under a microscope no matter how big or small. I did keep everyone in the loop - noone had to search me out I went to them and explained then a few months late I made good. in almost 10 years this is the first time it has happened - I was and am sorry for it. Not exusing this - but damn - do you have any idea the pain in the ass it is when I have to emal owners 3-5 months to get them to pay their fee's .....

 

When I do make a mistake in this league I always try to make up for it and even go overboard trying to do so.

 

again Joc ya want this gig please speak up...

 

* I was going to do league safe I have since thought better of it -- it's the same as always but mail the checks to Joc instead of me. Joc is the most trustworthy person in this league.

 

* Head to head is the 1st tie breaker as it is in every league I have ever been in. head to head is the first tie breaker in the NFL and so it is here.

 

* Keeper situation - I will make a post that you can make a simple vote - keep the new or go back to the old.

 

Again WW you want this gig? let a botha know

 

 

Thnaks Chad for giving me a heads up and asking to me try keep an keep a level head as I am not sure how I would have responded otherwise.

 

We need to get things sured up and final - all on the same page - then I can recruit another owner from the geek bored, and we can get started on the fun stuff we all want to.

 

again -- hell if anyone other than delay wants this gig let me know (sorry Dave you're a little too combative for this lot in a commish role and I am all but certain that would make us lose Megla) . Then again youre maybe the only one that might do it oh the irony

 

 

Lets all get on the same page and I WILL be checking in here now at least once a day to get things going............

 

Shane ( Moz)

 

no offense taken, hell, i commish 2 leagues already, dont have the time.

however, if it meant megla would quit, id finds the time.

[dehaven123 31]

 

Before I answer "why do I like it", what does "unilateral switch in format" mean? What don't you like about a required one keeper and a every other year optional 2nd keeper specifically?

 

im just tryn to find ways to hate on it, chad.

i should have been more vocal then.

[dehaven123 31]

 

Before I answer "why do I like it", what does "unilateral switch in format" mean? What don't you like about a required one keeper and a every other year optional 2nd keeper specifically?

 

unilateral, as is done by one party. switch, as in change. format, as in league settings. we clear?

the specific point of ref: see below

 

 

 

Moz said: "I am going back to the way it was when the league first began.

 

EVERY team gets a Franchise player to keep free. Every other year - beginning in 2014 each team can claim a transition player at the cost of the pick he was last drafted at (unless he was your franchise player from the year before then he automatically counts as a first round pick) - AND ONLY if you were the one that drafted him - if you traded for him he also would count as your first rounder if kept. This is a reward for those that draft well especially in the later rounds."

[Meglamaniac 380]

 

no offense taken, hell, i commish 2 leagues already, dont have the time.

however, if it meant megla would quit, id finds the time.

Then find the time

[dehaven123 31]

Then find the time

 

oh im sure you'd appreciate the easy out. prolly lotsa truth in what moz said, too. im glad your back.

[The Moz 69]

I am willing to tweak this to allow for players to kept as a transition player even if you did not "draft them".

[The Moz 69]

We as a core will straighten the mess out then I will approach people from the geek bored to fill it out once we get organized and on the same page -- bringing in a new guy now would only confuse the fock out of him. There will be time enough for that as the years go along

[dehaven123 31]

I am willing to tweak this to allow for players to kept as a transition player even if you did not "draft them".

 

my vote is still for the 'return to old rule'. however, if based on the results it ends up the modified way, this is a nice effort at a compomise.

[dehaven123 31]

We as a core will straighten the mess out then I will approach people from the geek bored to fill it out once we get organized and on the same page -- bringing in a new guy now would only confuse the fock out of him. There will be time enough for that as the years go along

 

dood can i read in to this post as you committing to the commish role for this yr? this back and forth stuff isn't a good look.

also, no harm in waiting to get this sorted out b4 bringing in a new guy.

[famousb 11]

also, no harm in waiting to get this sorted out b4 bringing in a new guy.

please keep in mind that whatever we agree upon as the rule, whether it be old or some form of new, will have a DIRECT impact on who we can recruit for any backfill ownership. I'm not fully familiar with ahill's lineup, but does he even have ONE good keeper?

[Little Big Head 6]

This rule if it goes through needs to be kept for a minimum of two years due to the option of having a transition player this year or next year. There is no focking way I'm going to be at a disadvantage this year if I choose no transition player just to see my advantage get thrown out next year if people decide they don't like it anymore. Is that reasonable?

[The Moz 69]

 

dood can i read in to this post as you committing to the commish role for this yr? this back and forth stuff isn't a good look.

also, no harm in waiting to get this sorted out b4 bringing in a new guy.

No one else wants it so yes I got the role...

[The Moz 69]

please keep in mind that whatever we agree upon as the rule, whether it be old or some form of new, will have a DIRECT impact on who we can recruit for any backfill ownership. I'm not fully familiar with ahill's lineup, but does he even have ONE good keeper?

Not really - I haven't had it take more than a day or 2 to find a new owner -- Our Leage the MFFL - is the #1 FFToday geek league and is BY FAR the most active -- people for some unknown reason actually want to be part of this chaotic abortion.

[dehaven123 31]

No one else wants it so yes I got the role...

 

[The Moz 69]

 

It wasn't for lack of trying

[dehaven123 31]

Not really - I haven't had it take more than a day or 2 to find a new owner -- Our Leage the MFFL - is the #1 FFToday geek league and is BY FAR the most active -- people for some unknown reason actually want to be part of this chaotic abortion.

 

might i suggest that we recruit someone with some history on teh bored and not a relative newcomer? i like that guy giants fan, how bout him?

[dehaven123 31]

It wasn't for lack of trying

 

if i was commish, my first act would be to kick neverthere out, he doesn't participate, the league deserves better. id at least require him to stay up past 8.

[The Moz 69]

 

might i suggest that we recruit someone with some history on teh bored and not a relative newcomer? i like that guy giants fan, how bout him?

I would fold the shop up before I even though about GFIAFP being in this league. Do you even look at the Geek bored?

 

I am going to try and recruit Bunny if that fails I will look at Drobeski, KSB, No. Vike, or someone like that.

[The Moz 69]

 

if i was commish, my first act would be to kick neverthere out, he doesn't participate, the league deserves better. id at least require him to stay up past 8.

thus why you couldn't be commish. Hellothere why he rarely posts is always the first person to pay his dues and is a really good guy - have known him for a decade on here or longer.

[Gepetto 1,289]

dehaven, I think you're having a mental breakdown with those last 2 posts. So wrong to say that about hellothere. And Giants Fan, if you read anything he writes, and that was a serious post about inviting him to this league, then you're as psychotic as he is.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

ok so i see moz is willing to open this up for the transitional player to be an undrafted player. It seems like the transitional player is going to stay as it is based on the other voting thread and the cost would be..... a 4th?

 

 

But does anyone have any thoughts on my other proposed compromise? That the Franchise player stay as it had been the past few years, optional at the cost of a 1st?

 

something along the lines of this.....

 

"Owners have the option to keep a Franchise player each season which would cost them their 1st round pick. Additionally, owners may elect to keep a 'transitional' player on an every other year basis. This transition tag can be used on any player at the cost of the round in which they were drafted with a minimum price tag of a 4th round pick. "

 

 

 

Seems like this would make guys like Gepetto happy whose 2013 draft was impacted by the transition tag and also make guys like LBH happy who really seem to prefer the old method of choosing between a franchise player or 1st round pick. I just chose Gepetto and LBH because they seemed the most vocal for their respective stances.

[famousb 11]

I just want to know if we are allowing trades during the draft this year, and if so, are they at least limited to when you are NOT on the clock?

[dehaven123 31]

dehaven, I think you're having a mental breakdown with those last 2 posts. So wrong to say that about hellothere. And Giants Fan, if you read anything he writes, and that was a serious post about inviting him to this league, then you're as psychotic as he is.

 

i was just pushin buttons. i get it tho, it can be difficult to tell when im being serious. part of my appeal.

[Gepetto 1,289]

ok so i see moz is willing to open this up for the transitional player to be an undrafted player. It seems like the transitional player is going to stay as it is based on the other voting thread and the cost would be..... a 4th?

 

 

But does anyone have any thoughts on my other proposed compromise? That the Franchise player stay as it had been the past few years, optional at the cost of a 1st?

 

something along the lines of this.....

 

"Owners have the option to keep a Franchise player each season which would cost them their 1st round pick. Additionally, owners may elect to keep a 'transitional' player on an every other year basis. This transition tag can be used on any player at the cost of the round in which they were drafted with a minimum price tag of a 4th round pick. "

 

 

 

Seems like this would make guys like Gepetto happy whose 2013 draft was impacted by the transition tag and also make guys like LBH happy who really seem to prefer the old method of choosing between a franchise player or 1st round pick. I just chose Gepetto and LBH because they seemed the most vocal for their respective stances.

 

As it stands now there is 12 players as primary keepers, then Round 1, Round 2, and Round 3. That's 48 players. Then players 49-60 represent the most value with a 2nd keeper (depending on where the 2nd keeper was drafted last year and their value at draft time. So, if we went to an optional keeper in the 1st Round, then if you keep a primary keeper, you then have only Round 2 and Round 3, before Round 4 which in your idea would still be the lowest round a 2nd keeper could be kept in.

 

I would be OK with making the primary keeper optional, but not with making both the primary keeper optional and having 4th round as the lowest round for a 2nd keeper.

 

I would be OK with making the primary keeper optional, if the 2nd keeper can be kept for the cost of a 5th round pick (if the player was drafted 5th round or later last year of course).

 

I'm saying this because, as the rule stands now where a primary keeper is required, and then Round 1 starts. Round 1 is essentially like a Round 2. Round 2 like a Round 3. So really if we made the primary keeper optional for a first round pick, then making the lowest round a 2nd keeper can be kept as 5th Round (instead of 4th Round as is currently) is only calling it 5th Round, and not actually changing where the 2nd keepers would be kept compared to the number of players drafted between 1st keeper and 2nd keeper. Hope that all makes sense.

[dehaven123 31]

thus why you couldn't be commish. Hellothere why he rarely posts is always the first person to pay his dues and is a really good guy - have known him for a decade on here or longer.

 

i like him. yes, he's a good guy(who likes TEs during the playoffs).

[dehaven123 31]

I would fold the shop up before I even though about GFIAFP being in this league. Do you even look at the Geek bored?

 

I am going to try and recruit Bunny if that fails I will look at Drobeski, KSB, No. Vike, or someone like that.

 

[jocstrap 8]

Have you guys settled anything yet? :)

 

I'm not organizing squat:)! I have a 13, 9, & 4.5 yrd old - Busy in life and wouldn't change a thing. Coordinate National, Sectional, and State Championship tennis Tourney's year around, not to mention running a 30 court facility. Commishing right now is just not an option. Hope you all understand.

 

If it makes you happy, I still read MFFL daily on the shitter to keep up with player moves. I would say I'm very very current

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

 

As it stands now there is 12 players as primary keepers, then Round 1, Round 2, and Round 3. That's 48 players. Then players 49-60 represent the most value with a 2nd keeper (depending on where the 2nd keeper was drafted last year and their value at draft time. So, if we went to an optional keeper in the 1st Round, then if you keep a primary keeper, you then have only Round 2 and Round 3, before Round 4 which in your idea would still be the lowest round a 2nd keeper could be kept in.

 

I would be OK with making the primary keeper optional, but not with making both the primary keeper optional and having 4th round as the lowest round for a 2nd keeper.

 

I would be OK with making the primary keeper optional, if the 2nd keeper can be kept for the cost of a 5th round pick (if the player was drafted 5th round or later last year of course).

 

I'm saying this because, as the rule stands now where a primary keeper is required, and then Round 1 starts. Round 1 is essentially like a Round 2. Round 2 like a Round 3. So really if we made the primary keeper optional for a first round pick, then making the lowest round a 2nd keeper can be kept as 5th Round (instead of 4th Round as is currently) is only calling it 5th Round, and not actually changing where the 2nd keepers would be kept compared to the number of players drafted between 1st keeper and 2nd keeper. Hope that all makes sense.

 

its late so maybe im not getting it but doesnt make sense. i mean dont get me wrong, i'm all for making it the 5th, hell i wanted 7th or 8th

 

but as you stated, our round 1 is essentially round 2, as it always has been. last year i think only 3 owners didnt keep a player..... but by that same token, round 4 is really round 5.

 

making the Franchise Keeper optional isnt going to change a ton. 8+ owners will still end up keeping a Franchise player. So you're increasing the draft pool by like 4 players. The whole point of doing this is to allow owners the same option they have always had if they don't feel they truly have a player they wish to keep.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

I never mentioned this, but I never received my payment from Moz 2 years ago.

 

He promised me he sent it twice, but the mail is not that bad and he should of been aware that the checks never were cashed.

 

Only 200 dollars, not too big of deal, but still...

[dehaven123 31]

I never mentioned this, but I never received my payment from Moz 2 years ago.

 

He promised me he sent it twice, but the mail is not that bad and he should of been aware that the checks never were cashed.

 

Only 200 dollars, not too big of deal, but still...

 

leaguesafe. leaguesafe. leaguesafe.

[Little Big Head 6]

 

leaguesafe. leaguesafe. leaguesafe.

Yeah I'm a huge fan. Nothing against moz I just feel better with the money secure and it's so much easier and reliable than snail mail. As I mentioned before I mailed 2 100.00 money orders last year because the first never made it to moz and I may have made a boneheaded move and left the receipt portion still attached when I mailed it . Saved the receipt and sent it certified mail the 2nd time. League safe just removes human error from the equation. After getting burned by Steve I think some of us should have learned a lesson(me, moz, ski, Gepetto etc..)

[dehaven123 31]

Yeah I'm a huge fan. Nothing against moz I just feel better with the money secure and it's so much easier and reliable than snail mail. As I mentioned before I mailed 2 100.00 money orders last year because the first never made it to moz and I may have made a boneheaded move and left the receipt portion still attached when I mailed it . Saved the receipt and sent it certified mail the 2nd time. League safe just removes human error from the equation. After getting burned by Steve I think some of us should have learned a lesson(me, moz, ski, Gepetto etc..)

 

im not sure wny joc would want ot take the risk on receiving dues from everyone, or any commish for that matter. also, i dont know how or why moz can put certain format things to a vote, but then decide arbitrarily we should all send our dues to joc, makes little sense. i just dont get the kickback on leaguesafe, esp in our league's case.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

I remember when dehaven used to give me for questioning how rule changes and stuff are handled. Good to see hes brightened up a little on the topic.

[dehaven123 31]

I remember when dehaven used to give me ###### for questioning how rule changes and stuff are handled. Good to see hes brightened up a little on the topic.

 

who, me?

 

JK

[jocstrap 8]

Dehaven - I will have no problem doing league safe. I voted otherwise and you seem baffled.

 

A league Safe Question in general to all - do all of us have access to pulling out say @200 at any given time? Is there a password? Which MFFL member(s) have access to the account? How does league safe know how to split up the winnings at the end of the year?

 

I'm just curious b/c I've never used it.