Sean Mooney

Gabby GIffords was like 8 years before that and I think that dude wasn't either side of the political aisle.

He is easily the most ineffective Speaker of the House I've ever seen. Completely neutered, afraid to make a stand on anything, and just a puppet for Trump. Hell McCarthy had more spine than this and Pelosi had more balls. Worst part is- he knows he is playing a losing hand right now and he is not even trying to bluff his way into winning.

Both sides of the aisle are going to feel some pressure when the premiums rise in the next couple days. Because then people will see the real cost of this- and health care affects way more people than SNAP

100% this....Health insurance rates rely on as large a pool as possible and young people taking insurance and not using it. Take those two things out and you will see people get hammered by premiums.

This isn't an issue of- hey it's the Dems or it's the GOP. This is an issue of- two sides need to sit down and figure out a way to bridge the gap and get something done. The GOP said for a year now "This is a mandate to lead given to us." And we see how tenuous that is. The Democrats have one minor piece of leverage and they are using it and it will hurt people. Meanwhile- Rand Paul offers a bipartisan committee idea to work something out and it's met by crickets. Josh Hawley has an idea to pass a small thing that will keep funding SNAP. Schumer says present it for a vote and the Dems will vote for it. That is met by crickets from John Thune. On top of it we have Johnson, Thune, Schumer, Jefferies, etc all out there on social media pointing fingers at one another in echo chamber appealing bullshit. And the President's out there telling people about how he controls the Speaker and his big idea is blow up the filibuster which will just mean more of a breakdown of the checks and balances in the system. Stop thinking any of these people are on your side. They aren't. Across the board they care about themselves and staying in power. Every year it's the same thing- we get new people voted in, a bunch of idiots sit on the Internet and try to claim "My side is better than your side because...." It is what it has always been- meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

It won't directly impact me but the smaller grocery store nearby that has actual butchers employed and has great meat selections for decent prices will be impacted and will most likely have to raise prices on things. Also, I really don't want to see people not have enough food to eat.

So now we should listen to the news?

Well that peace deal was a fun 7-10 days.

2 things to me: 1) It's why I said "most" and not "all" 2) There are plenty of idiot progressives that lack intelligence- despite education level. I'm not saying I know what is best for them. I'm just saying they lack the ability to question things for themselves like they should. They just buy what Trump is selling part and parcel.

And the House could be working on a new plan that might pass if they were in session. You are pathetic and it's silly you later say it is AOC holding everything up because they are scared of her.

The House has been closed down for a month. He also keeps telling them to stay home. He- much like Thune- are more concerned about being on Trump's good side than doing anything effective.

Mike Johnson comes off completely ineffective as speaker of the house. I don't think McCarthy would be in this mess.

This all boils down to me to a simple sentence: "Most of them lack intelligence." Simple fact though is he will never be wrong in their eyes. They've invested their whole lives in him and these promises he keeps making that he isn't living up to. But he doesn't have to live up to them because they will pretend he did, or make the goal something else, or move on to the next outrage thing. Hell ICE is even having their ranks purged because they aren't deporting people.

Here is a FOX News look at the 5 longest government shutdowns: https://archive.ph/ZbSeo At this point I tend to think the only thing that will solve this is the Republicans going nuclear and blowing up the filibuster which will open a huge Pandora's Box that no person should want opened. Hopefully they listen to what Rand Paul of all people said the other day and build a coalition of a fed Republicans and a few Democrats and work out something that can be used.

FWIW- there have been 15 government shutdowns in history (including this one): 8 were under Reagan for a combined 14 days. In 6 of them the Republicans controlled the Senate and Democrats controlled the House. In the last two Democrats controlled both the House and Senate. 1 was under Bush Sr. It ran for 3 days and Democrats controlled the House and Senate. 2 were under Clinton (and occurred a month apart) for a combined 26 days. The Republicans controlled both the House and Senate. 1 was under Obama for 16 days. Democrats controlled the Senate and Republicans controlled the House. 2 happened under Trump's first term. They lasted for a total of 37 days. Republicans controlled the House and Senate for the first one. They controlled the House and Senate for most of the second one until Democrats won the House. The latter was over Trump trying to get 5.7 billion dollars to pay for the wall. This one has currently gone 28 days with the House and Senate both controlled by the Senate. So 15 times the government has shut down: 12 times it was a Republican president. 12 times the Republicans controlled the House 8 times the Republicans controlled the Senate Looking at the White House/Senate/House triangle, of the 15 government shutdowns the Republicans have had the "power" 13 times. The total days under a Republican President the government was shut down is: 82 days- an average of just under 7 days. The total days under a Democrat President the government was shut down is: 53 days- an average of just under 18 days. It's almost as if neither party can claim the high ground on this stuff in one way or another.