Is Schaub worth a 1st + either a 2nd or 3rd?

[sjanson 0]

Several sources are reporting that MIN is interested in dealing for Matt Schaub and that ATL wants a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd in return.

 

Seems awfully pricy to me. Thoughts? Esp interested in thought from MIN and ATL homers.

 

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/349096.html

[miket7 0]

That is more than they got for Daunte Culpepper.

[Portis26 0]

If i am Minnesota - I would give up my first in a second.

 

he has west coast knowledge

he isn't a rookie

Brad Johnson could be a great help.. and backup

 

He'd be perfect for Childress and helping the franchise move forward

 

They should do like the Skins did, give them next years 1st rounder and this years 3rd rounder... so if Minny does well, the pick wont be so high

[sjanson 0]

That is more than they got for Daunte Culpepper.

Cant argue with that.

[Portis26 0]

Cant argue with that.

 

Pepper is coming off a MAJOR knee injury, and a few years older then Schaub.

 

Pepper has reached his "potential", while Schaub hasn't even come close to reaching his potential. Childress is a coach that can take him to the next level

[mozzy84 0]

Pepper is coming off a MAJOR knee injury, and a few years older then Schaub.

 

Pepper has reached his "potential", while Schaub hasn't even come close to reaching his potential. Childress is a coach that can take him to the next level

 

not to mention he demanded to be traded.

 

 

I would much rather have Schaub than move up in the draft to get a qb or draft cutler at 17. Atlanta would be smart to take it this year when they can get it.

[Mack 1 6]

Uh oh, not another lovefest for Matt Schaub . This guy has started fewer than 4 games in his career and has a completion percentage less than 50%, with 5 TDs and 4 ints. Is that a player you'd trade a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd for? If that's the case, people should be lining up for Ryan Fitzpatrick.

 

Schaub has had one good game in three years and that was against a depleted New England secondary; now all of a sudden this guy has the kind of potential a team would give up two very high picks for? Insane. Absolutely insane.

 

This could very well be Scott Mitchell revisited, and we in Detroit know how well that panned out.

[Crestwood 0]

eerily similiar to the aj feeley trade to the fins. how'd did that work out?

[canada1 0]

They said no to the Jets when they offered a 2nd round pick....The most I wold give if I was the Vikes would be a 2nd + a 3rd. If Atlanta says no then they will have to let him walk next season for nothing...

[Phurfur 70]

I like Schaub as a QB but no way is he worth a 1st. He is inexperienced and 0-2 as a starter.

[bammbamm 0]

no way is he worth this years 17th pick.

[Restricted 0]

This could very well be Scott Mitchell revisited, and we in Detroit know how well that panned out.

 

He could also be Jake Delohmme. Maybe not worth a first round pick, but will probably run your team better than a rookie and has shown some potential.

[toofunny 0]

He could also be Jake Delohmme. Maybe not worth a first round pick, but will probably run your team better than a rookie and has shown some potential.

 

Brad Johnson isn't a rookie. But he does have a baby face.

[Ron_Mexico 0]

He could also be Jake Delohmme. Maybe not worth a first round pick, but will probably run your team better than a rookie and has shown some potential.

 

 

I don't see one bit of Scott Mitchell in Matt Schaub.

He is well worth a 2nd rounder and has more upside than

Culpepper at this point in their respective careers.

 

Cpep will be a bust in Miami..... BUST.

[Restricted 0]

Brad Johnson isn't a rookie. But he does have a baby face.

 

It must be the aftershave he uses.

 

I was more arguing the case that with what Schaub has shown so far, I'd think he'd do a better job at the helm of an offense versus the QB that many are projecting Minnesota to pick, Cuttler. Hell, if Favre retires, I'll take him over Rodgers.

[Guest stevejohnson]

If i am Minnesota - I would give up my first in a second.

 

he has west coast knowledge

he isn't a rookie

Brad Johnson could be a great help.. and backup

 

He'd be perfect for Childress and helping the franchise move forward

 

They should do like the Skins did, give them next years 1st rounder and this years 3rd rounder... so if Minny does well, the pick wont be so high

 

I hate to say it, but I agree with Portis here.....Schaub is regarded as the one of the best young prospects in the league. I would give up the pick I got for Culpepper to get him in a second. He would replace B. Johnson by mid season, once he fully picks up his system or Johnson gets hurt.....

[War Pigs 0]

2nd this year & a 3rd or 4th next year based on performance incentives. ie. should he start more than 3 games, throw more than ?? TDs...

[U Dub 0]

If i am Minnesota - I would give up my first in a second.

 

he has west coast knowledge

he isn't a rookie

Brad Johnson could be a great help.. and backup

 

He'd be perfect for Childress and helping the franchise move forward

 

They should do like the Skins did, give them next years 1st rounder and this years 3rd rounder... so if Minny does well, the pick wont be so high

 

i agree and i don't hate to say it

 

its just seems like a better way to get the franchise moving forward faster. instead of sarting raw with a rookie in there.

[Mack 1 6]

I don't see one bit of Scott Mitchell in Matt Schaub.

 

How soon we forget. Scott Mitchell was the hottest thing going after he admirably filled in for Dan Marino during the 2nd half of the '93 season. There were no fewer than 10 teams vying for his services, with Detroit blowing everybody out of the water with an $11 million offer. Mitchell ended up sh!ting his pants, but he showed much, much more during his time in Miami than Schaub has shown up to this point.

 

He is well worth a 2nd rounder and has more upside than Culpepper at this point in their respective careers. Cpep will be a bust in Miami..... BUST.

 

Perhaps the most outlandish statement made on this board since its resurrection; not even worthy of a rebuttal.

[George Carlin 1]

Stump the Schaub

[bigmarc27 24]

They said no to the Jets when they offered a 2nd round pick....The most I wold give if I was the Vikes would be a 2nd + a 3rd. If Atlanta says no then they will have to let him walk next season for nothing...

 

Actually, he'll be a RFA, so ATL has 2 years to deal him.

[uubeee 0]

Didn't Green Bay give up a 1st rounder a few year back for one of Atlanta's backups?

 

 

 

Thanks Atlanta!!!

[toofunny 0]

It must be the aftershave he uses.

 

I was more arguing the case that with what Schaub has shown so far, I'd think he'd do a better job at the helm of an offense versus the QB that many are projecting Minnesota to pick, Cuttler. Hell, if Favre retires, I'll take him over Rodgers.

 

Yes for this year. But Johnson is the starter, no question. So it's really Cutler in 2007, or Schaub in 2007, both sitting behind Johnson this year.

 

I'm not sure Schaub at that point is that much better then Cutler.

 

Schaub was a 3rd round QB, who hasn't done much to vault him any higher then that. He's an average QB. He's played average. It's ALL hype. I've seen every falcons game, and most of the preseason games. Schaub is like the submarine delivery reliever then bring in. Compared to Vick, the D has to totally change. He makes bad throws, should probably have 8 ints instead of 4. And most of his hype is due to anti-vick backlash. Back in 2003 people used to call into sports talk radio saying Doug Johnson should be the starting QB instead of Vick. *lol* Bottom line Schaub is a Volek with less experience.

 

You'd assume with Cutler being taken in the 1st round he has far more upside. I'm not even sure Schaub is the best backup in the league. If I had to make the playoffs THIS year, I'd take Volek. And that's not saying much for Schaub.

 

And if you pay your starting QB 10 mil a year, and someone offers you a 1st round pick for your backup, you TAKE IT. Then they can draft DJ Shockley in the 4th rnd. They're basically offering a guy like Jimmy Williams for Schaub. Um yes please.

[DuckStupid 40]

I wouldn't mind seeing schaub here in mn. Like others have said though, a 2nd and a 3rd is about as much as I'd like to see the vikes pay for him...

[LunaTick 30]

Ideally, I would like for the Vikes to have obtained a veteran QB that has potential to become the starter and to draft a guy as well.

Drafted players I don't expect to start for 2 to 3 years out. The veteran to be the insurance this season and compete for the starting position next season. So for the veteran maybe a 2 year deal with an option.

 

However, I don't like the idea of trading away two draft picks for this guy.

 

Highest I would go is a 2nd round pick and perhaps throw in Onterio Smith.

 

But I will add that Atl has traded away a QB before, Favre was Falcon before he was a Packer.

 

Veteran type I am referring to is like a Harrington, a bit damage, with potential. If he works out great, if not hand it over to the draft pick.

When Griese was around, I thought about him too, but felt it would introduce competition this season and not next season with Brad Johnson. This scenario, I would rather wait and get Harrington on the FA market. For starters his contract would have to be redone.

 

Trend these last few years is not to give a first round for a veteran player, so I it would be overpaying to involve a first round for another teams backup in this case.

[b.j. booker 0]

Highest I would go is a 2nd round pick and perhaps throw in Onterio Smith.

 

 

...oh, you must mean the Whiz, gotcha

[Raider 84 29]

Must be a late April fools joke!

[Wildman 0]

I think Schaub is a worthwhile prospect to pursue. I think the asking price is too high, but I would not compare Schaub to Feely or Mitchell. Although Schaub hasn't put up great stats, he has shown a lot as a developing QB.

 

Feely couldn't beat out Joey Harrington at Oregon and never was known for having much of an arm or decision-making in the pocket. Mitchell had the physical skills, but not the decision-making. Both Mitchell and Feely looked good in limited time for teams that had enough talent to carry them. The Falcons didn't have as good of a passing attack as either of these teams but Schaub was known as an excellent decision-maker at UVA and has demonstrated he's pretty mobile.

 

I think the whole stats argument to sum up a game performance can be limited. I'm sure many people could have said the same thing about Jake Delhomme or Matt Hasselbeck in mop up duty early in their careers.

 

Based on Schaub's performances (not statistically, but how he actually executed in terms of mechanics, decisions, arm strength, scrambing, etc.) I'd rather have him over more established back ups like Garrard and Volek.

[9-Route 0]

I think Schaub is a worthwhile prospect to pursue. I think the asking price is too high, but I would not compare Schaub to Feely or Mitchell. Although Schaub hasn't put up great stats, he has shown a lot as a developing QB.

 

Feely couldn't beat out Joey Harrington at Oregon and never was known for having much of an arm or decision-making in the pocket. Mitchell had the physical skills, but not the decision-making. Both Mitchell and Feely looked good in limited time for teams that had enough talent to carry them. The Falcons didn't have as good of a passing attack as either of these teams but Schaub was known as an excellent decision-maker at UVA and has demonstrated he's pretty mobile.

 

I think the whole stats argument to sum up a game performance can be limited. I'm sure many people could have said the same thing about Jake Delhomme or Matt Hasselbeck in mop up duty early in their careers.

 

Based on Schaub's performances (not statistically, but how he actually executed in terms of mechanics, decisions, arm strength, scrambing, etc.) I'd rather have him over more established back ups like Garrard and Volek.

 

agreed. there are too many nfl personnel people buzzing over the guy for there not to be some validity to his potential/abilities.

 

it speaks wonders that one of schaub's performances last yr was a 298yd, 3td shredding of the pats vaunted (but obviously not at full strength) defense, viewed by then defensive coordinator eric mangini and head coach bill belichek. the jets repeatedly haggled to have him (schaub) included in the abraham deal, only to have atlanta refuse. mangini must have seen something (and belichek must have seen/said something) to have piqued the jets interest to this extent. [i know a lot of teams and qbs had great games vs the pat defense last yr, but this is still a very young (1-2 games experience) qb in the nfl against a highly intelligent defensive design.]

 

the other factor on schaub's resume that carries a lot of weight with me is his collegiate career. he was a very polished, mature, and heady player coming out of virginia. he lit it up with heath miller, and was an x-factor/darkhorse guy during his draft. he only lost steam because he landed in atlanta where the qb position was already established and it seemed he wouldnt be in competition to be a starter.

[LunaTick 30]

How soon we forget. Scott Mitchell was the hottest thing going after he admirably filled in for Dan Marino during the 2nd half of the '93 season. There were no fewer than 10 teams vying for his services, with Detroit blowing everybody out of the water with an $11 million offer. Mitchell ended up sh!ting his pants, but he showed much, much more during his time in Miami than Schaub has shown up to this point.

Perhaps the most outlandish statement made on this board since its resurrection; not even worthy of a rebuttal.

 

 

Was Mitchell the QB that got poked in the eye and his accuracy never seem to come back afterwards?

[redtodd 7]

Even though I like Matt Schaub, he isn't worth a 1st rounder yet. He needs to show more.

 

But then again, if I was a Falcons fan, I would rather see him in there than Vick.

[HeirCoryell 0]

Yes for this year. But Johnson is the starter, no question. So it's really Cutler in 2007, or Schaub in 2007, both sitting behind Johnson this year.

 

I'm not sure Schaub at that point is that much better then Cutler.

 

Schaub was a 3rd round QB, who hasn't done much to vault him any higher then that. He's an average QB. He's played average. It's ALL hype. I've seen every falcons game, and most of the preseason games. Schaub is like the submarine delivery reliever then bring in. Compared to Vick, the D has to totally change. He makes bad throws, should probably have 8 ints instead of 4. And most of his hype is due to anti-vick backlash. Back in 2003 people used to call into sports talk radio saying Doug Johnson should be the starting QB instead of Vick. *lol* Bottom line Schaub is a Volek with less experience.

 

You'd assume with Cutler being taken in the 1st round he has far more upside. I'm not even sure Schaub is the best backup in the league. If I had to make the playoffs THIS year, I'd take Volek. And that's not saying much for Schaub.

 

And if you pay your starting QB 10 mil a year, and someone offers you a 1st round pick for your backup, you TAKE IT. Then they can draft DJ Shockley in the 4th rnd. They're basically offering a guy like Jimmy Williams for Schaub. Um yes please.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself toofunny. If the Vikings decide they need a young QB this year, I'd much rather trade a first and a second for Cutler than a first and whatever it would take to get Schaub.

[escobante 0]

Uh oh, not another lovefest for Matt Schaub . This guy has started fewer than 4 games in his career and has a completion percentage less than 50%, with 5 TDs and 4 ints. Is that a player you'd trade a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd for? If that's the case, people should be lining up for Ryan Fitzpatrick.

 

Schaub has had one good game in three years and that was against a depleted New England secondary; now all of a sudden this guy has the kind of potential a team would give up two very high picks for? Insane. Absolutely insane.

 

This could very well be Scott Mitchell revisited, and we in Detroit know how well that panned out.

 

"absolutely insane".

 

i love it. props to you dawg.

[Mack 1 6]

Was Mitchell the QB that got poked in the eye and his accuracy never seem to come back afterwards?

 

Other than that 7 game stretch in '94 when Mitchell led the Lions as the #1-ranked offense, his play seemed more like he got poked in the azz.

 

Not only was his play suspect, but he was a weak-minded individual who Robert Porcher nearly killed on several occasions in the locker room, if not for a couple teammates.