Fire Millen

[49ER MAN 0]

really? says who? you? there is no evidence the 49ers are headed anywhere--much less at a faster rate than any other team in the nfl.

 

and brace yourself for tomorrow morning: there is no easter bunny, either.

 

You don't know for a fact that SF won't make the playoffs and I'm not saying they will either. For all we know, they could come out of nowhere and be 9-7 and sneak in the playoffs. Heck, the Lions could too.

 

Thanks for the no easter bunny statement, master of the obvious. Like I couldn't have figured that out myself.

[swamp dog 0]

You don't know for a fact that SF won't make the playoffs and I'm not saying they will either. For all we know, they could come out of nowhere and be 9-7 and sneak in the playoffs. Heck, the Lions could too.

 

Thanks for the no easter bunny statement, master of the obvious. Like I couldn't have figured that out myself.

 

well, now that makes a lot more sense: no one knows for sure what's going to happen with any of these teams. welcome back. you had blacked out there for a moment in your previous post.

[49ER MAN 0]

well, now that makes a lot more sense: no one knows for sure what's going to happen with any of these teams. welcome back. you had blacked out there for a moment in your previous post.

 

Ok, let's just let it go.

 

I'd like your opinion, swamp dog. If you're the 49ers, what do you do with the no.6 overall pick? Trade down to acquire more picks, take Hawk since Peterson and Carter left free agency, Vernon Davis, Michael Huff? I would be upset if they took a QB but if they'd go anywhere else, I'll be happy.

[swamp dog 0]

Ok, let's just let it go.

 

I'd like your opinion, swamp dog. If you're the 49ers, what do you do with the no.6 overall pick? Trade down to acquire more picks, take Hawk since Peterson and Carter left free agency, Vernon Davis, Michael Huff? I would be upset if they took a QB but if they'd go anywhere else, I'll be happy.

 

i'd seriously consider taking vernon davis. smith desperately needs weapons and davis would be a huge target.

[remote controller 143]

i'd seriously consider taking vernon davis. smith desperately needs weapons and davis would be a huge target.

This is the pick!

[Walter34 3]

Yes, Vernon Davis makes the most sense. Forgetting about team needs, this team needs to give its fans something to cheer about and they need to help out their young qb with some weapons.

 

A safety or LB may be needed more, but let's face it, they need more than this one draft will provide. Get some exciting playmaker for the fans and the qb.

[Lionsjunkie 1]

Maybe because the Bears and Packers havent blown top 10 picks year after year like the Lions have? Since Millen's start:

 

1.18 Backus (Decent)

1.3 harrington (Bust)

1.2 Rogers (Bust)

1.7 Roy (Stud)

1.10 MW (?)

 

For elite top picks, he has only hit once in 4 years so far with MW still being questionable.

 

During this span, Terrell and benson have been the only top 10 picks for Chi. 0-1 with a questionable.

 

Green Bay has only had 1 top 10 pick - Jamal reynolds, so they are 0-1.

 

Millen has earned the derision and besides all of that, its a running joke for all fans, not just division rivals. Learn to laugh at yourself or your team and you will be much happier.

 

Harrington will be a decent player at some point in his career. He had no O-line last year and was missing several key Offensive players over the last few. I don't see him ever making a Pro-Bowl, but I think he will be a starter in this league for years to come.

 

I think it's a little early also to call C-Rogers a bust...I realize he has an attitude and work ethic problem, but the guy has loads of upside if and when he stays healthy. Hopefully the 3rd phase of the Millen Coaching regime will get Rogers back on track. Hardly can you call a guy a BUST at 25 years old.

 

2002

Our 2nd pick...35th overall Kalimba Edwards is a decent player that is getting better every year

 

2003

2nd pick...34th overall Boss Bailey is a player, just needs to stay healthy

3rd pick....66th Corey Redding is a starter

4th...........99....Artose Pinner is a capable backup to K.J

5th..........137...Terrance Holt.....jury is still out

 

2004

1st.......30th overall...Kevin Jones....gonna have a great year....great MATT MILLEN PICK

2nd......37...Teddy Lehman......another guy that has showed flashes of potential, but must stay healthy

 

2005

2nd....37th....Shaun Cody, solid player with plenty of upside.

 

All in all, this was just a quick synopsis of Millen's drafts which have been highly regarded each year as some of the leagues best.

[swamp dog 0]

Harrington will be a decent player at some point in his career. He had no O-line last year and was missing several key Offensive players over the last few. I don't see him ever making a Pro-Bowl, but I think he will be a starter in this league for years to come.

 

I think it's a little early also to call C-Rogers a bust...I realize he has an attitude and work ethic problem, but the guy has loads of upside if and when he stays healthy. Hopefully the 3rd phase of the Millen Coaching regime will get Rogers back on track. Hardly can you call a guy a BUST at 25 years old.

 

2002

Our 2nd pick...35th overall Kalimba Edwards is a decent player that is getting better every year

 

2003

2nd pick...34th overall Boss Bailey is a player, just needs to stay healthy

3rd pick....66th Corey Redding is a starter

4th...........99....Artose Pinner is a capable backup to K.J

5th..........137...Terrance Holt.....jury is still out

 

2004

1st.......30th overall...Kevin Jones....gonna have a great year....great MATT MILLEN PICK

2nd......37...Teddy Lehman......another guy that has showed flashes of potential, but must stay healthy

 

2005

2nd....37th....Shaun Cody, solid player with plenty of upside.

 

All in all, this was just a quick synopsis of Millen's drafts which have been highly regarded each year as some of the leagues best.

 

remember reggie brown back in 99? that guy was going to be a pro-bowler linebacker for years...then he breaks his neck. out of football after two years.

 

lehman leads the lions in tackles as a rookie...then suffers a serious foot injury in year 2. he's still not capable as of today of getting back on the field.

 

cripes, it's hard enough to hit on draft picks without hitting on them and then having them suffer career-ending injuries.

[49ER MAN 0]

i'd seriously consider taking vernon davis. smith desperately needs weapons and davis would be a huge target.

 

I'd agree with getting help for Smith. Do you have any info. about the 49ers possibly trading out, maybe with Denver, and acquiring more picks?

[DrJ 0]

in the past 14 drafts, the bears have picked ahead of the lions 7 times; the lions have picked ahead of the bears 7 times. in that same time period the lions have made the playoffs 6 times; the bears 6 times.

 

the bears and lions have splite the last 4 meetings: the lions sweeping in 2004; the bears in 2005. in fact the two teams are 4-4 in the last 8.

 

the one difference in that time period? the lions have at least been to the nfc championship game, something the bears have not

 

the shiat you're smelling is coming out of your own bear arse, not the lions

 

as much as it kills you and walt and the pompous thoughts on mythical bear superiority, the reality is the bears as a franchise has sucked monkey balls as bad as any in the last decade and a half. they must prove it on the field and answer a few burning questions before becoming the first bear team since the ditka era to have back-to-back winning seasons.

 

yet, it's a foregone conclusion of them doing that, eh? i love it.

 

cheers

 

I have no idea where you're getting these stats from, but practically all of them are wrong. The Lions haven't made the NFC Championship game in the last 14 years. They didn't make the playoffs 6 times over that span, nor did the Bears.

 

Either way, the Bears have as many playoff victories over this stretch you are referencing as the Lions have since the merger. Sure they haven't been any better than the Lions over this span, but they also weren't any worse. Which says a lot, since the Lions were blessed with one of the top RB's in the history of the league during that time. These haven't been the glory years for the Bears, far from it. And it's the best the Lions have been able to muster in their entire history. Really pretty sad, and rivaled only by the Cardinals in terms of weakest glory years in NFL history.

 

They wasted the career of one of the best RB's in NFL history, and forced him into retirement, bitter. It's just tough to be more pathetic than that.

[swamp dog 0]

I have no idea where you're getting these stats from, but practically all of them are wrong. The Lions haven't made the NFC Championship game in the last 14 years. They didn't make the playoffs 6 times over that span, nor did the Bears.

 

Either way, the Bears have as many playoff victories over this stretch you are referencing as the Lions have since the merger. Sure they haven't been any better than the Lions over this span, but they also weren't any worse. Which says a lot, since the Lions were blessed with one of the top RB's in the history of the league during that time. These haven't been the glory years for the Bears, far from it. And it's the best the Lions have been able to muster in their entire history. Really pretty sad, and rivaled only by the Cardinals in terms of weakest glory years in NFL history.

 

They wasted the career of one of the best RB's in NFL history, and forced him into retirement, bitter. It's just tough to be more pathetic than that.

 

1) jan. 12, 1992 nfc championship game: detroit versus washington

2) yes, they did make the playoffs six times in the time period mentioned

3) "Sure they haven't been any better than the Lions over this span, but they also weren't any worse."--exactly my whole point, thanks for agreeing with me.

 

again, while you're busy making fun of the shiat on other fans' boots, please look down and notice the waist-deep pile of bear dung you're standing in.

 

consider it another free swamp tip

[DrJ 0]

1) jan. 12, 1992 nfc championship game: detroit versus washington

2) yes, they did make the playoffs six times in the time period mentioned

3) "Sure they haven't been any better than the Lions over this span, but they also weren't any worse."--exactly my whole point, thanks for agreeing with me.

 

again, while you're busy making fun of the shiat on other fans' boots, please look down and notice the waist-deep pile of bear dung you're standing in.

 

consider it another free swamp tip

 

The past 14 drafts would imply last 14 seasons. 1992 - 2005. Nowhere in there did the Lions go to the Championship game.

 

Just sad that during the glory years of the Lions, an era in which they had one of the best RB's of all time, they could just stay even with the Wannstedt/Jauron led Bears. No wonder Barry was so bitter when he was forced into retirement.

[49ER MAN 0]

The past 14 drafts would imply last 14 seasons. 1992 - 2005. Nowhere in there did the Lions go to the Championship game.

 

Just sad that during the glory years of the Lions, an era in which they had one of the best RB's of all time, they could just stay even with the Wannstedt/Jauron led Bears. No wonder Barry was so bitter when he was forced into retirement.

 

I think what Swamp Dog meant was the Lions went to the NFC Title Game in the 2001 season where they got crushed by the Redskins who went on to hammer the Bills in the Super Bowl.

[Sho Nuff 720]

1) jan. 12, 1992 nfc championship game: detroit versus washington

2) yes, they did make the playoffs six times in the time period mentioned

3) "Sure they haven't been any better than the Lions over this span, but they also weren't any worse."--exactly my whole point, thanks for agreeing with me.

 

again, while you're busy making fun of the shiat on other fans' boots, please look down and notice the waist-deep pile of bear dung you're standing in.

 

consider it another free swamp tip

 

 

Jan 12th 1992 was more than 14 years ago.

Meaning your 6 times in the playoffs is off as well...it would only be 5 times.

 

Please...while you are busy trying to bust on other people...do some research...and do some math.

 

Consider it a free tip.

[swamp dog 0]

Jan 12th 1992 was more than 14 years ago.

Meaning your 6 times in the playoffs is off as well...it would only be 5 times.

 

Please...while you are busy trying to bust on other people...do some research...and do some math.

 

Consider it a free tip.

 

not sure where you went to school, sho, but where i went to school they taught me that 2006-1992=14 years.

 

thanks for playing. take your nit-picking, wrap it around a toothpick, stick in a big fat piece of cheese and...well, figure it out from there.

 

The past 14 drafts would imply last 14 seasons. 1992 - 2005. Nowhere in there did the Lions go to the Championship game.

 

Just sad that during the glory years of the Lions, an era in which they had one of the best RB's of all time, they could just stay even with the Wannstedt/Jauron led Bears. No wonder Barry was so bitter when he was forced into retirement.

 

you assumed, which, we all know, leads to all sorts of problems

 

but i'll indulge you and change the my post from 14 years to 15 years because it's obvious (lol) that you and sho are going to use your boss' times and money to argue a red herring point. so instead of reading it as "in that same time period" now it will read "going back to the 91-92 season."

 

now what?

[Sho Nuff 720]

not sure where you went to school, sho, but where i went to school they taught me that 2006-1992=14 years.

 

thanks for playing. take your nit-picking, wrap it around a toothpick, stick in a big fat piece of cheese and...well, figure it out from there.

you assumed, which, we all know, leads to all sorts of problems

 

but i'll indulge you and change the my post from 14 years to 15 years because it's obvious (lol) that you and sho are going to use your boss' times and money to argue a red herring point. so instead of reading it as "in that same time period" now it will read "going back to the 91-92 season."

 

now what?

 

January comes before April...did you know that?

 

14 years ago in January...is now 14 years and several months.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

Yes...you did not say seasons...but the 1992 game you are talking about...went with the 1991 season....now...2006-1991 equals what? And was I the only one who caught that? Not at all.

 

Ahh...talk about a red herring....swamp is back to assuming I wam wasting my boss' time...because he assumes he knows so much about me. That failed the last time you tried it...it is failing again.

[swamp dog 0]

January comes before April...did you know that?

 

14 years ago in January...is now 14 years and several months.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

Yes...you did not say seasons...but the 1992 game you are talking about...went with the 1991 season....now...2006-1991 equals what? And was I the only one who caught that? Not at all.

 

Ahh...talk about a red herring....swamp is back to assuming I wam wasting my boss' time...because he assumes he knows so much about me. That failed the last time you tried it...it is failing again.

 

you're kidding, right? did you actually post this with a straight face? now you're nit-picking because i didn't say 14 years AND THREE MONTHS?

 

come on, sho, that's even a new extreme for someone like you!

 

really, are you that miserable that you have to find something that idiotic to hang your hat on and go after--that i didn't say 14 years and 3 months instead of 14 years?

 

yikes....double yikes.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you're kidding, right? did you actually post this with a straight face? now you're nit-picking because i didn't say 14 years AND THREE MONTHS?

 

please go get laid. seriously.

 

 

Ahh...swamp again assumes he knows something about my personal life.

 

No need to be kidding. Before you edited your original posts...it spoke of the last 14 drafts...and "in that same time period". Well...that same time period would not include the playoff games in January of 1992.

 

You have since edited it to finally make some sense...but notice, I was not the only one who disputed your little mistake.

 

really, are you that miserable that you have to find something that idiotic to hang your hat on and go after--that i didn't say 14 years and 3 months instead of 14 years?

 

yikes....double yikes.

 

What is sad is that you think anyone who rips on you or the Lions is "miserable".

 

Actually, what I am hanging my hat on is the fact that you stated drafts (not even years) in the first place. Read above about those playoff games not fitting into that "time period".

 

The 14 year 3 months was me laughing at you just subtracting 2006 from 1992 and think it made your point valid.

 

[swamp dog 0]

The past 14 drafts would imply last 14 seasons. 1992 - 2005. Nowhere in there did the Lions go to the Championship game.

 

Just sad that during the glory years of the Lions, an era in which they had one of the best RB's of all time, they could just stay even with the Wannstedt/Jauron led Bears. No wonder Barry was so bitter when he was forced into retirement.

 

the pathetic thing is that even with the lions being dreadful these past five seasons--horrid, bottom-dwellers--the bears are just now starting to catch up to the lions during this time period.

 

you and sho can have a field day with the "14 years versus 14 years/3 months versus 14-years-but-technically-15 seasons" red herring bs all you want. enjoy

 

but i'm not in the mood for any of your delusionary superiority crap. save it for a new round of snl skits.

[Sho Nuff 720]

the pathetic thing is that even with the lions being dreadful these past five seasons--horrid, bottom-dwellers--the bears are just now starting to catch up to the lions during this time period.

 

you and sho can have a field day with the "14 years versus 14 years/3 months versus 14-years-but-technically-15 seasons" red herring bs all you want. enjoy

 

but i'm not in the mood for any of your delusionary superiority crap. save it for a new round of snl skits.

 

I love how "FACTS" that dispute what you actually wrote are now red herrings.

 

Your 92 playoff game was simply not in the time period that was being discussed. That was all that was disputed swamp.

 

Delusional would be that you somehow wish to blame your mistake on others.

[swamp dog 0]

I love how "FACTS" that dispute what you actually wrote are now red herrings.

 

Your 92 playoff game was simply not in the time period that was being discussed. That was all that was disputed swamp.

 

Delusional would be that you somehow wish to blame your mistake on others.

 

hey, mr. thick: i changed the dates to read "since the 91-92 season."

 

take a happy tablet and double-dose of "un-twist-my-colon-please." repeat every 4-6 hours as needed.

[donhaas 18]

take a happy tablet and double-dose of "un-twist-my-colon-please." repeat every 4-6 hours as needed.

 

 

You are a nerd

[Walter34 3]

Round and round we go. There is no denying that the Bears sucked ass for over a decade post Ditka pre Lovie except for the one lone season of 13-3. We do however have glory years through the 60s and through the 80s. You have to pin point a select time period when both our teams sucked and then say "See, you are just as bad". That is pretty sad and lame. The 90s were completely different teams, management, coaches and players - its as relevant as the 80s Bears are. The last 5 years is with largely the current regime - Angelo / Millen and most of the same players. During this time frame, which actually has some relevance to today, the Bears have 40 wins and the Liedowns have 21, which I believe is the worst in the NFL.

 

Are we world beaters? hell no. 2 good years, a mediocre year and 2 crap years. Your shiat stinks worse with 5 smelly seasons and counting.

[remote controller 143]

Round and round we go. There is no denying that the Bears sucked ass for over a decade post Ditka pre Lovie except for the one lone season of 13-3. We do however have glory years through the 60s and through the 80s. You have to pin point a select time period when both our teams sucked and then say "See, you are just as bad". That is pretty sad and lame. The 90s were completely different teams, management, coaches and players - its as relevant as the 80s Bears are. The last 5 years is with largely the current regime - Angelo / Millen and most of the same players. During this time frame, which actually has some relevance to today, the Bears have 40 wins and the Liedowns have 21, which I believe is the worst in the NFL.

 

Are we world beaters? hell no. 2 good years, a mediocre year and 2 crap years. Your shiat stinks worse with 5 smelly seasons and counting.

 

You da man Walter!!! Swamp doesn't understand logic and works hard avoiding it. He will once again evaporate as the season melts in front of his eyes, and we'll all still be here waiting for his next incarnation!!

[swamp dog 0]

Round and round we go. There is no denying that the Bears sucked ass for over a decade post Ditka pre Lovie except for the one lone season of 13-3. We do however have glory years through the 60s and through the 80s. You have to pin point a select time period when both our teams sucked and then say "See, you are just as bad". That is pretty sad and lame. The 90s were completely different teams, management, coaches and players - its as relevant as the 80s Bears are. The last 5 years is with largely the current regime - Angelo / Millen and most of the same players. During this time frame, which actually has some relevance to today, the Bears have 40 wins and the Liedowns have 21, which I believe is the worst in the NFL.

 

Are we world beaters? hell no. 2 good years, a mediocre year and 2 crap years. Your shiat stinks worse with 5 smelly seasons and counting.

 

i think the most recent decade and a half are rather relevant, don't you? you, j, and others have been acting haughty for years now about this perceived bear superiority. i simply pointed that it's taken the lions drought of the past five years for the bears to CATCH UP to the lions during the most recent decade and a half. between 2002-2004, the bears averaged 6.3 wins a season, the lions 4.5. the bears had an anomaly year of 2001 which inflated their record during the five-year span you bring up, and it remains to be seen if 2005 was another artificial spike that cannot be sustained or supported. bear shiat, lion shiat--it all stinks, walter. yeah, argue all you want that one form of shiat stinks worse than another. but at the end of the day it's all shiat.

 

the basic point is this: there is no evidence the bears are on some superior future owning of the nfcn for years, and there's nothing--save last year's blip on the radar--for you, j, or anyone take some sort of superior attitude.

 

that's it. argue away all you want.

[DrJ 0]

i think the most recent decade and a half are rather relevant, don't you? you, j, and others have been acting haughty for years now about this perceived bear superiority. i simply pointed that it's taken the lions drought of the past five years for the bears to CATCH UP to the lions during the most recent decade and a half.

 

the basic point is this: there is no evidence the bears are on some superior future owning of the nfcn for years, and there's nothing--save last year's blip on the radar--for you, j, or anyone take some sort of superior attitude.

 

that's it. argue away all you want.

 

Why would you even go with a decade and a half anyways? Wouldn't a single decade, or two decades be a more even number? Oh, that's right - if you take anything other than exactly 15 years, the Lions come out behind. During the best span you can come up with, they are even...and falling.

 

Like Walt said, these have been sad times for Bears fans, and your franchise still can't outdo us. You're the only one in this thread that doesn't realize how pathetic that really is.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You're the only one in this thread that doesn't realize how pathetic that really is.

 

Ding ding ding ding....we have a winner.

[swamp dog 0]

Why would you even go with a decade and a half anyways? Wouldn't a single decade, or two decades be a more even number? Oh, that's right - if you take anything other than exactly 15 years, the Lions come out behind. During the best span you can come up with, they are even...and falling.

 

Like Walt said, these have been sad times for Bears fans, and your franchise still can't outdo us. You're the only one in this thread that doesn't realize how pathetic that really is.

 

exactly my point: the bears HAVE NOT OUTDONE THE LIONS. please keep posting and agreeing with me. we may have a group hug yet *kiss*

[DrJ 0]

Furthermore welch, whether the Bears were equally pathetic over an arbitrary 15 year stretch that you made up in your head isn't the issue. As usual, you're just trying to deflect from the real issue, which is whether Millen deserves to keep his job.

 

Bears fans were calling for Wanny's head, they were PISSED when the Jauron situation went down and we lost McGinnest and wanted heads to roll. We couldn't get Jauron and his lapdog Shoop out of here fast enough. The guys that were responsible for running us into the ground have been fired, and there was much rejoicing in Chicago.

 

What has Millen done to help the Lions keep up with the Bears over those same 15 years? Nothing - you admit that the Bears have been catching up under his watch. And you're defending the guy!

 

So please explain how the Lions making the Championship game has anything to do with Millen. Please explain how the moves of Wannstedt and Hatley have anything to do with what sort of job Millen has been doing. And please explain what Millen has done to deserve to keep his job.

 

I'll give you bonus points if you can put together an answer that doesn't include the words Bears, Packers, or Vikings.

 

exactly my point: the bears HAVE NOT OUTDONE THE LIONS in the last 15 years.

It's just too bad that the NFL has been around for longer than 15, or we might not be the worst franchise this side of Arizona

 

Welchdog appears to be getting it!

[swamp dog 0]

Furthermore swamp, whether the Bears were equally pathetic over an arbitrary 15 year stretch that you made up in your head isn't the issue. As usual, you're just trying to deflect from the real issue, which is whether Millen deserves to keep his job.

 

Bears fans were calling for Wanny's head, they were PISSED when the Jauron situation went down and we lost McGinnest and wanted heads to roll. We couldn't get Jauron and his lapdog Shoop out of here fast enough. The guys that were responsible for running us into the ground have been fired, and there was much rejoicing in Chicago.

 

What has Millen done to help the Lions keep up with the Bears over those same 15 years? Nothing - you admit that the Bears have been catching up under his watch. And you're defending the guy!

 

So please explain how the Lions making the Championship game has anything to do with Millen. Please explain how the moves of Wannstedt and Hatley have anything to do with what sort of job Millen has been doing. And please explain what Millen has done to deserve to keep his job.

 

I'll give you bonus points if you can put together an answer that doesn't include the words Bears, Packers, or Vikings.

Welchdog appears to be getting it!

 

millen's record speaks for itself. where in this thread have i defended it? i agree: the lions haven't been better than the bears overall in the stretch. go back to my original post where i pointed out how even the bears and lions have been--you know, the post where you and sho started splitting hairs about 14 years versus 14 years and 3 months?

 

we can get along. and agree. see?

[Sho Nuff 720]

millen's record speaks for itself. where in this thread have i defended it?

 

 

Ummm...post #21 of this thread maybe?

 

i find it humorous fans of teams like the bears and packers grill millen over his round 1 picks. millen has had just as good--if not better--round 1 drafts in his tenure than have the bears and packers in the same time period.

 

just because the bears and packers spread out their bust picks over the different positions doesn't make it any less laughable.

 

enough said.

 

You defend it right there chief.

[swamp dog 0]

Ummm...post #21 of this thread maybe?

You defend it right there chief.

 

statement of fact: millen's round 1 draft picks have been on par with the bears and packers drafts during the same period.

 

but there's lots more that goes into millen's won-loss record, the overall thing "that speaks for itself": coaching hires, free agency, injuries, etc.

 

nice try. chief

 

bump.

 

now you go write that long treatise to mr. longwell about how wrong he is about green bay. use the green crayon.

[Walter34 3]

statement of fact: millen's round 1 draft picks have been on par with the bears and packers drafts during the same period.

 

but there's lots more that goes into millen's won-loss record, the overall thing "that speaks for itself": coaching hires, free agency, injuries, etc.

 

nice try. chief

 

bump.

 

now you go write that long treatise to mr. longwell about how wrong he is about green bay. use the green crayon.

 

If you want to cherry pick narrow scenarios that make your team seem better than they are or really, make our team seem as bad, knock yourself out. Whatever allows you to sleep at night.

 

15 years, 3 months, 1st round picks only, whatever.

 

Facts:

• The Bears have a much more successful history than the Lions
  
• The Bears have almost doubled the Lions wins in the past 5 years
  
• The Bears have had much better drafts overall than the Lions the past 5 years, including all rounds, not just your perrenial top 10 picks.
  
• The Bears are clearly better now based on what has actually been done on the field, not deluded ramblings about what might be.
  

Regarding the 1st round picks:

 

2000 Stocker McDougal <<<<<<<<< Urlacher (A bit of a mismatch here)

2001 Jeff Backus > Marc Columbo (You got me here)

2002 Joey Harrington < Rex Grossman (One is still playing and starting)

2003 Charles Rogers < David Terrell (Sadly, its true)

2004 Roy Williams ~ Tommie Harris (Both stars)

2005 Mike Williams ~ Cedric Benson (Too soon to tell)

 

Looks like 3-1 for the Bears and the 3 includes the league's defensive MVP. So much for your fact.

 

Off to work, enjoy the day

[swamp dog 0]

If you want to cherry pick narrow scenarios that make your team seem better than they are or really, make our team seem as bad, knock yourself out. Whatever allows you to sleep at night.

 

15 years, 3 months, 1st round picks only, whatever.

 

Facts:

• The Bears have a much more successful history than the Lions
  
• The Bears have almost doubled the Lions wins in the past 5 years
  
• The Bears have had much better drafts overall than the Lions the past 5 years, including all rounds, not just your perrenial top 10 picks.
  
• The Bears are clearly better now based on what has actually been done on the field, not deluded ramblings about what might be.
  

Regarding the 1st round picks:

 

2000 Stocker McDougal <<<<<<<<< Urlacher (A bit of a mismatch here)

2001 Jeff Backus > Marc Columbo (You got me here)

2002 Joey Harrington < Rex Grossman (One is still playing and starting)

2003 Charles Rogers < David Terrell (Sadly, its true)

2004 Roy Williams ~ Tommie Harris (Both stars)

2005 Mike Williams ~ Cedric Benson (Too soon to tell)

 

Looks like 3-1 for the Bears and the 3 includes the league's defensive MVP. So much for your fact.

 

Off to work, enjoy the day

 

 

lol...thanks for proving my thesis about you and most bear fans.

 

grossman has 4 career tds and 6 ints. he has played in about 6 games in his entire nfl career. and he's better than harrington at this point? i guess that makes haynes a stud too--hey, he's still on the bears roster (and btw: you forgot to mention haynes).

 

david terrell? puh-leez. both rogers and terrell have proven themselves busts at this point.

 

and tommie harris, while good, isn't even the 3rd-best dt in HIS OWN DIVISION.

 

you keep talking about me cherry-picking stats, yet you want desperately to make sure the 2000 first-round draft gets in there and the 2001 bear season whenever any talk is started. again, which proves my main thesis: your shiat--and the bears shiat--also stinks, walt. stop the pompous patronizing.

 

please do go to work and find something productive to do with your time.

[Sho Nuff 720]

statement of fact: millen's round 1 draft picks have been on par with the bears and packers drafts during the same period.

 

but there's lots more that goes into millen's won-loss record, the overall thing "that speaks for itself": coaching hires, free agency, injuries, etc.

 

nice try. chief

 

bump.

 

now you go write that long treatise to mr. longwell about how wrong he is about green bay. use the green crayon.

 

The statement of fact...was defending him Swamp....that is the point. You stated you did not defend him...you did. Early on in this thread.

 

Walter is whipping you into a frenzy as it is...his last post there was something you really should have just not responded to. Your response is your typical delusional talk. You had no comeback for what he wrote...because he was right on.

 

Millen sucks....you seem to be the only one who thinks otherwise here.

 

Bears fans knew when they had it bad with Wanny, Packers fans knew they had it bad with Sherman, Vikings fans knew when they had it bad with Red/Tice....and all admitted it...why can't you do the same with Millen?

 

And your last line? Showing your typical hypocrisy. You whine and whine about people trying to insult and make it personal. Well...there you go...you have nothing to counter either what I said or Walter...so its off to lines like that....

[Walter34 3]

lol...thanks for proving my thesis about you and most bear fans.

 

grossman has 4 career tds and 6 ints. he has played in about 6 games in his entire nfl career. and he's better than harrington at this point? i guess that makes haynes a stud too--hey, he's still on the bears roster (and btw: you forgot to mention haynes).

 

david terrell? puh-leez. both rogers and terrell have proven themselves busts at this point.

 

and tommie harris, while good, isn't even the 3rd-best dt in HIS OWN DIVISION.

 

you keep talking about me cherry-picking stats, yet you want desperately to make sure the 2000 first-round draft gets in there and the 2001 bear season whenever any talk is started. again, which proves my main thesis: your shiat--and the bears shiat--also stinks, walt. stop the pompous patronizing.

 

please do go to work and find something productive to do with your time.

 

lmao - the cherry picking of Urlacher is the point exactly. Dont try and tell us you wouldnt have included him in your assessment if the roles were reversed. The draft "analysis" above was a parody of swampian proportions where years are carefully selected to suit the argument and opinion is presented as fact. Here endith the lesson.

[swamp dog 0]

The statement of fact...was defending him Swamp....that is the point. You stated you did not defend him...you did. Early on in this thread.

 

Walter is whipping you into a frenzy as it is...his last post there was something you really should have just not responded to. Your response is your typical delusional talk. You had no comeback for what he wrote...because he was right on.

 

Millen sucks....you seem to be the only one who thinks otherwise here.

 

Bears fans knew when they had it bad with Wanny, Packers fans knew they had it bad with Sherman, Vikings fans knew when they had it bad with Red/Tice....and all admitted it...why can't you do the same with Millen?

 

And your last line? Showing your typical hypocrisy. You whine and whine about people trying to insult and make it personal. Well...there you go...you have nothing to counter either what I said or Walter...so its off to lines like that....

 

1) millen's record speaks for itself

2) millen's round 1 draft record is no better no worse than the bears and packers drafts in the same time

 

if you need pages of pontificating to argue your point, you're on weak rhetorical ground to begin with.

 

thus endith the lesson for you blowhards.

 

and again, as always, free of charge.

[Sho Nuff 720]

1) millen's record speaks for itself

2) millen's round 1 draft record is no better no worse than the bears and packers drafts in the same time

 

if you need pages of pontificating to argue your point, you're on weak rhetorical ground to begin with.

 

thus endith the lesson for you blowhards.

 

and again, as always, free of charge.

 

The lesson that you are full of double speak and spinning and twisting when people use your own words against you?

 

[DrJ 0]

Why would you limit it to the 1st round anyways? Aren't there 7 rounds in the draft? Do you think if a GM forfeited their picks in rounds 2-7 every year, like Millen would be just as well off doing, that they can be successful?

 

You really don't have to answer, we all know why. Because just like your 15 year argument, you have to make the criteria so selective for the Lions to even compete...

 

"The Lions had more wins in Ford Field than the Bears did last season, which clearly shows that they are just as good. So take your SNL skit blah blah blah..."

[swamp dog 0]

Why would you limit it to the 1st round anyways? Aren't there 7 rounds in the draft? Do you think if a GM forfeited their picks in rounds 2-7 every year, like Millen would be just as well off doing, that they can be successful?

 

You really don't have to answer, we all know why. Because just like your 15 year argument, you have to make the criteria so selective for the Lions to even compete...

 

"The Lions had more wins in Ford Field than the Bears did last season, which clearly shows that they are just as good. So take your SNL skit blah blah blah..."

 

because that's the heat millen was taking in this thread: his round 1 picks--that he's somehow been on his own plateau of ineptitude in round 1 picks.

 

hope that's proven (yet again) helpful

 

The lesson that you are full of double speak and spinning and twisting when people use your own words against you?

 

 

the sky isn't green, sho. but keep spouting off. knock yourself out: it's a free country.