Jets thinking about Reggie Bush

[Little Big Head 6]

please Jets, do what it takes!!!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htmTEXANS GETTING SOME TRADE INQUIRIES

 

We'd previously heard that Tom Condon's primary selling point in attracting USC quarterback Matt Leinart was Condon's plan to get either the Titans or the Jets to strike a trade up in the draft with the Texans for the No. 1 overall pick, which then would be used on Leinart.

 

Condon already has achieved partial success. Sort of.

 

We're told that the Titans and the Jets have contacted Texans G.M. Charley Casserly regarding the price tag for a trade. But not in an effort to get Leinart.

 

Instead, these two teams -- along with the Raiders -- have contacted the Texans in the hopes of possibly landing Leinart's teammate, tailback Reggie Bush.

 

The development is somewhat surprising, in light of recent speculation that Bush might not even be the first guy picked.

 

Although there's plenty of misinformation floating around in the days leading up to the draft, we've got no reason to question our source on this one. So, as always, stay tuned.

[Zackattack 0]

I don't want to see Reggie Bush in a Jets uniform please.

[harken34 0]

If the Texans were smart they would trade it. Bush isn;t going to help that team. They need O-line. Bush isn't going to help the Jets. They need a QB.

[Little Big Head 6]

If the Texans were smart they would trade it. Bush isn;t going to help that team. They need O-line. Bush isn't going to help the Jets. They need a QB.

Bush will help any team. He's the most electrifying talent I've ever seen come out of college. The Jets will be ok at qb. When Pennington is healthy, he's pretty good, and if he gets hurt again then I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do. After watching Bollinger, and Vinny last season I don't think either are a downgrade

[harken34 0]

Bush will help any team. He's the most electrifying talent I've ever seen come out of college. The Jets will be ok at qb. When Pennington is healthy, he's pretty good, and if he gets hurt again then I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do. After watching Bollinger, and Vinny last season I don't think either are a downgrade

 

Did you even watch the Jets games last year. Pennington is DONE!!!!! Ramsey hasen't showed any kind of talent. I don't care who you are: Barry, Emmitt, Walter or Bush. If your QB sucks, Defenses stack the line with 8 in the box and it doesn't help when you o-line sucks. The Jets need help at QB and O-line. Bush is not the answer to the Jets.

[luckdogg17 0]

i've thought for a while that the jets were #1 canidate to trade up to #1. martin is about done so they need a rb as much as anyone, and with the #4 pick, it would be a lot easier to move up to #1 than it would be for most teams because houston can still get one of the blue-chip picks and they could say that they got the #1 guy on their board, whomever they ended up with. this deal would make sense to me for both teams but i'm sure nothing is set in stone yet and i don't expect anything to happen until draft day so i guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Stars 0]

Bush will help any team. He's the most electrifying talent I've ever seen come out of college. The Jets will be ok at qb. When Pennington is healthy, he's pretty good, and if he gets hurt again then I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do. After watching Bollinger, and Vinny last season I don't think either are a downgrade

Bollinger is, what, 3'7"?

[harken34 0]

Bollinger is, what, 3'7"?

 

 

[swamp dog 0]

Bush will help any team. He's the most electrifying talent I've ever seen come out of college. The Jets will be ok at qb. When Pennington is healthy, he's pretty good, and if he gets hurt again then I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do. After watching Bollinger, and Vinny last season I don't think either are a downgrade

 

the most electrifying talent to ever come out of college? he's a souped-up warrick dunn. period.

 

he doesn't have 1/10 of the moves of barry sanders, 1/1000th of the power of eric dickerson...eh, i could go on but you get the idea.

 

in key games last season (most notably the last one) he wasn't even the best rb on his team.

 

enough said.

[Grigs Allmoon 0]

I agree that I think this makes great sense. I just hope the Texans don't put the price through the roof considering they will still get a top notch player at 4. Heck, they might even get the guy they'd take at #1, if they decide to pass on Bush.

[hellothere 1]

i would be all for it, getting M.Williams or D.Ferguson, and the icing on the cake. its the extra picks/players that will make or break the deal. if we could somehow get their 1st next year as well, ala Eli trade, then i would be dancing in the streets. however, all the local houston talk seems to indicate that they are still more than likely going to pick Bush, which is nothing to sneeze at.

[Eriadoc 4]

J-E-T-S! Jets! Jets! Jets!

 

(did I get that right?)

 

I pray for this trade to happen. I know many fans in Houston would be upset by this trade, but most football-savvy fans in Texas would deem it a good move.

[football_scooter 0]

Jets need Leinart. Noodle arm Pennington is done - stick a fork in him. As predicted last year, all that needed to happen was one hit on that arm while in a throwing motion and *rip!*. They need a QB in the worst way. Blalock can carry the ball for a while if the O-Line is competent - people forget that he was ahead of Larry Johnson in KC and was once thought of as a stud-in-the-making.

 

The JETS need a QB far more than another RB, and from his performance at the combine, Leinart looks a lot stronger than I thought he was in terms of arm, athleticism and intelligence. I was among those who felt the O-Line and Bush/White made him look good...now I think he's the real deal and the Jets would be foolish to pass on him. No pun intended.

[DaveJ 0]

Why would the Raiders be asking???

 

That right there leads me to think we may see a multi-team trade here where Bush ends up in NY, Leinart in Tenn, Brick in Houston and Williams in Oakland.. or something like that with various draft picks/players tossed around.

[Little Big Head 6]

Jets need Leinart. Noodle arm Pennington is done - stick a fork in him. As predicted last year, all that needed to happen was one hit on that arm while in a throwing motion and *rip!*. They need a QB in the worst way. Blalock can carry the ball for a while if the O-Line is competent - people forget that he was ahead of Larry Johnson in KC and was once thought of as a stud-in-the-making.

 

The JETS need a QB far more than another RB, and from his performance at the combine, Leinart looks a lot stronger than I thought he was in terms of arm, athleticism and intelligence. I was among those who felt the O-Line and Bush/White made him look good...now I think he's the real deal and the Jets would be foolish to pass on him. No pun intended.

Leinart reminds me of Bledsoe with less arm strength. Blaylock is the Jets 3rd string rb, so I don't know what you're talking about there. Don't recall anyone ever thinking or saying he was stud in the making. I think most Jet fans are willing to give the Pennington/Ramsey combo a year and see what happens. If the Jets were to go after a QB in the 1st rd Leinart would be 3rd on my list.

[esoitl 0]

Jets need Leinart. Noodle arm Pennington is done - stick a fork in him. As predicted last year, all that needed to happen was one hit on that arm while in a throwing motion and *rip!*. They need a QB in the worst way. Blalock can carry the ball for a while if the O-Line is competent - people forget that he was ahead of Larry Johnson in KC and was once thought of as a stud-in-the-making.

 

The JETS need a QB far more than another RB, and from his performance at the combine, Leinart looks a lot stronger than I thought he was in terms of arm, athleticism and intelligence. I was among those who felt the O-Line and Bush/White made him look good...now I think he's the real deal and the Jets would be foolish to pass on him. No pun intended.

i have read many articles asking the question "why would the Jets draft a left-handed Pennington?"

i have never been that impressed with Leinart, there was a hell of a lot of talent around him that really made up for some bad mistakes and bad throws

 

as a Jets fan, i am more than happy with the QBs right now

last season was a disaster on the OL and at QB and Martin ran at 50% for most of the season

Pennington will start the season, mark those words, and if he cant go then Ramsey gets a shot. he has shown some talent in his time in Washington although it is very inconsistent

behind him, i would be happy with Bollinger. very young and needs development but i liked what i saw

 

IMO, they need to stay put and go OL(Ferguson) and then grab possibly an OG or someone on D

Williams may be a 'freak' but i would almost rather them secure the OL first so something on offense can get going, their D can hold up as long as the O can actually keep them off the field and put up a few points here and there

[t.j 35]

Why would the Raiders be asking???

 

Taking Bush would make at least as much sense as taking a QB (i.e. Young). Bush can do so many things Jordan can't. Run outside, catch the ball, run routes, make big plays...

 

That right there leads me to think we may see a multi-team trade here where Bush ends up in NY, Leinart in Tenn, Brick in Houston and Williams in Oakland.. or something like that with various draft picks/players tossed around.

 

Perhaps. The Raiders could definitely use Williams.

[Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 0]

If the Texans can get takers, they should make the deal. They don't need a QB or RB.

 

Assuming Bush, M Williams, Leinhert, Ferguson in the top 4. If they trade with the Jets they get the leftover one of DBrick or Mario, plus I'd assume their 2nd rounder (NYJ keeping the other #1?). HOU could fill a lot of holes in rounds 1 and 2.

 

I think if OAK is talking trade, they might be after Leinhert. Dropping to 7 means HOU gets someone like Huff, and that is a pretty good deal too.

 

 

 

For OAK, this move makes sense. They really need a QB.

 

For NYJ, it also make sense. Bush to replace CMart. Stil have another 1st rounder to pick up DE or OL help.

 

 

I don't see any way that a trade for the #1 pick doesn't happen. Someone will want Leinhart or Bush that much.

 

The real question is if Leinhert goes to OAK #1, will a team trade with NO to get Bush? Or could NO take Bush...not sure about Duece's current contract and INJ. But Brees, Duece, Bush, Stallworth, Horn....that's potent.

[Little Big Head 6]

If the Texans can get takers, they should make the deal. They don't need a QB or RB.

 

Assuming Bush, M Williams, Leinhert, Ferguson in the top 4. If they trade with the Jets they get the leftover one of DBrick or Mario, plus I'd assume their 2nd rounder (NYJ keeping the other #1?). HOU could fill a lot of holes in rounds 1 and 2.

 

I think if OAK is talking trade, they might be after Leinhert. Dropping to 7 means HOU gets someone like Huff, and that is a pretty good deal too.

 

 

 

For OAK, this move makes sense. They really need a QB.

 

For NYJ, it also make sense. Bush to replace CMart. Stil have another 1st rounder to pick up DE or OL help.

 

 

I don't see any way that a trade for the #1 pick doesn't happen. Someone will want Leinhart or Bush that much.

 

The real question is if Leinhert goes to OAK #1, will a team trade with NO to get Bush? Or could NO take Bush...not sure about Duece's current contract and INJ. But Brees, Duece, Bush, Stallworth, Horn....that's potent.

moving to #1 would cost the Jets more than that

[DaveJ 0]

Taking Bush would make at least as much sense as taking a QB (i.e. Young). Bush can do so many things Jordan can't. Run outside, catch the ball, run routes, make big plays...

Perhaps. The Raiders could definitely use Williams.

 

Sure Bush is a completely different back than Jordan, but they just brought him in and paid him big.. doubt they would go after Bush like that unless it was in a multiple team trade, maybe Jordan ends up back in NY, now wouldn't that be interesting If they don't grab a QB, then Hawk or Williams would be my preference and either one of those two are worth trading up a spot or three for.

[esoitl 0]

moving to #1 would cost the Jets more than that

ive heard both 1sts plus a 2nd or 3rd thrown in as well

 

i think to move up even to #2 it will cost NY both 1sts and at least another first day pick

 

not worth it

[CA_7 0]

ive heard both 1sts plus a 2nd or 3rd thrown in as well

 

i think to move up even to #2 it will cost NY both 1sts and at least another first day pick

 

not worth it

 

 

According to the draft pick value chart their two 1sts and 2nd (35th overall) would be almost equal value to HOU's 1.1

[Deadpool 0]

Bush will help any team. He's the most electrifying talent I've ever seen come out of college. The Jets will be ok at qb. When Pennington is healthy, he's pretty good, and if he gets hurt again then I'm willing to see what Ramsey can do. After watching Bollinger, and Vinny last season I don't think either are a downgrade

 

 

I disagree with this statement.

 

If Bush could play O-line or Defense, then yes, I could see him really helping the Texans. Not to mention that he would split time early with Davis. Hard to get many carries when you are behind by 2 TDs in most games.

 

If I was the Texans GM, I would trade down with the Jets or Titans, in the process aquiring maybe another 2nd round pick. Then take Ferguson with my 1st round pick.

 

They have to have consistency on the O-line before they can ever think about winning. Just my 2 cents.

[Little Big Head 6]

I disagree with this statement.

 

If Bush could play O-line or Defense, then yes, I could see him really helping the Texans. Not to mention that he would split time early with Davis. Hard to get many carries when you are behind by 2 TDs in most games.

 

If I was the Texans GM, I would trade down with the Jets or Titans, in the process aquiring maybe another 2nd round pick. Then take Ferguson with my 1st round pick.

 

They have to have consistency on the O-line before they can ever think about winning. Just my 2 cents.

Mabey I'm wrong, but the it seemed to me that the Texans lost alot of really close games last year. Anyway I hope you're right, because I would love to see Reggie Bush in a Jet uniform, but it would take more from the Jets than an additional 2nd. They may take less than what the draft value chart would indicate, but I've got to believ that at least both first and at least an additional 3rd or 4th would be included

[George Carlin 1]

If the Texans were smart they would trade it. Bush isn;t going to help that team. They need O-line. Bush isn't going to help the Jets. They need a QB.

 

 

I've been saying this since the season ended.

 

it's not often you have a chance to get the kind of value from the 1st pick overall.

 

TRADE IT!!

[Phillyram 0]

I disagree with this statement.

 

If Bush could play O-line or Defense, then yes, I could see him really helping the Texans. Not to mention that he would split time early with Davis. Hard to get many carries when you are behind by 2 TDs in most games.

 

If I was the Texans GM, I would trade down with the Jets or Titans, in the process aquiring maybe another 2nd round pick. Then take Ferguson with my 1st round pick.

 

They have to have consistency on the O-line before they can ever think about winning. Just my 2 cents.

 

Trading down with the Titans makes the most sense to me as well. While DD has been inconsistent at times (and an injury concern as well), durability could also be a problem for Bush. Why?? In his entire college career he carried the ball over 20 times in 1 game on only 3 occasions. That says to me that Pete Carroll was worried about over using him and his getting hurt as a result. I know they had White as well but still. Teams win on the O and D lines. Houston has been horrible in that respect since their inception, particularly on the O-Line. Getting Ferguson would help Carr to produce and would also probably help DD's production. Add in that DD has already shown that he can perform as a receiver as well as a RB and Bush becomes excess for that team. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush will have a great career, but I don't see him fitting in Houston before the O-Line is fixed. A RB's shelf life is too short for you to get the RB BEFORE you fix any O-Line/QB issues. Look at what Dallas did, they got Emmitt the year after they got Aikman to give Aikman time to be ready and to get the O-Line into some shape. Houston would be smart to do the same, go O-Line before RB. That said, I really have a feeling that New Orleans would screw the whole thing up by taking Ferguson at #2. They have to think about protecting their investment in Brees and I think that could be one of the worries for Houston in making a deal.

[Deadpool 0]

Trading down with the Titans makes the most sense to me as well. While DD has been inconsistent at times (and an injury concern as well), durability could also be a problem for Bush. Why?? In his entire college career he carried the ball over 20 times in 1 game on only 3 occasions. That says to me that Pete Carroll was worried about over using him and his getting hurt as a result. I know they had White as well but still. Teams win on the O and D lines. Houston has been horrible in that respect since their inception, particularly on the O-Line. Getting Ferguson would help Carr to produce and would also probably help DD's production. Add in that DD has already shown that he can perform as a receiver as well as a RB and Bush becomes excess for that team. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush will have a great career, but I don't see him fitting in Houston before the O-Line is fixed. A RB's shelf life is too short for you to get the RB BEFORE you fix any O-Line/QB issues. Look at what Dallas did, they got Emmitt the year after they got Aikman to give Aikman time to be ready and to get the O-Line into some shape. Houston would be smart to do the same, go O-Line before RB. That said, I really have a feeling that New Orleans would screw the whole thing up by taking Ferguson at #2. They have to think about protecting their investment in Brees and I think that could be one of the worries for Houston in making a deal.

 

 

And you have to remember, Kubiak is coming from a system in which has proven that if you have a good O-line + good blocking schemes, you can succeed with slightly better than average RBs.

 

Build the O-line first. Give Carr the time he needs to make his reads and throw the ball. Making the O-line better also makes the running game better which also helps you chew up clock time.

 

Going back to last year, the Texans did lose some close games. Ball control can help give you the edge in those close games.

 

 

In the event that they did trade down to grab Ferguson and he was already gone, do what other good drafting teams do.....

 

If the person that you wanted at that pick is no longer there and you don't like the current value of the players, then move down again and pick up a few more picks along the way. In this case, I would drop down a few more picks (say to #8 or 9) and then take Justice.

[BigSeXXXy 0]

I think the Jets would be smart to package the two 1s and maybe a 3rd to get Bush. They will never part with a first next year, ala Giants. They saw what San Diego did with that pick (Shawne Merriman). Plus Jets need a marque name to go with that team, Martin is old, Abrahams and Law are gone.

[football_scooter 0]

Wow - you JETS fans are really that enamoured with Ramsey? Patrick Ramsey?

 

I seem to recall him being disparaged rather frequently when he was a Redskin.

 

Now he's your savior at the QB position?

 

And Pennington? Some here speak as though they expect him to take a snap in the NFL again....I think he's toast. It's a drag, because I like the kid and he showed some primise....but you Jets fans need to leave that in the past. One rotator cuff operation can mean the end of a QB's career - two is a guarentee.

 

I caught a lot of hell around here for pointing out the severity of that injury for that position, with info from my own experiences of having a torn labrum repaired, and what my ortho said about athletes & rotator cuff surgery - now Pennington reinjured himself doing exactly what I said would do it, and some here are talking about him like he still has a chance to become something in the NFL.

 

If it ain't Leinart, you better hope the Jets draft Young, because Ramsey ain't gonna get it done in NY if he couldn't get it done in Washington.

[gatorbait7391 0]

Bush is going to be a let down on both teams. No O-line or any other talent

[Little Big Head 6]

Wow - you JETS fans are really that enamoured with Ramsey? Patrick Ramsey?

 

I seem to recall him being disparaged rather frequently when he was a Redskin.

 

Now he's your savior at the QB position?

 

And Pennington? Some here speak as though they expect him to take a snap in the NFL again....I think he's toast. It's a drag, because I like the kid and he showed some primise....but you Jets fans need to leave that in the past. One rotator cuff operation can mean the end of a QB's career - two is a guarentee.

 

I caught a lot of hell around here for pointing out the severity of that injury for that position, with info from my own experiences of having a torn labrum repaired, and what my ortho said about athletes & rotator cuff surgery - now Pennington reinjured himself doing exactly what I said would do it, and some here are talking about him like he still has a chance to become something in the NFL.

 

If it ain't Leinart, you better hope the Jets draft Young, because Ramsey ain't gonna get it done in NY if he couldn't get it done in Washington.

I don't think anyone is calling him the savior, but we are willing to give the guy a shot before spending such a high pick on a QB

[JetsFan28 0]

if we could somehow get their 1st next year as well, ala Eli trade, then i would be dancing in the streets.

A little excited for the 32nd pick in the 2007 draft aren't you?

 

 

Wow - you JETS fans are really that enamoured with Ramsey? Patrick Ramsey?

 

I seem to recall him being disparaged rather frequently when he was a Redskin.

 

Now he's your savior at the QB position?

 

And Pennington? Some here speak as though they expect him to take a snap in the NFL again....I think he's toast. It's a drag, because I like the kid and he showed some primise....but you Jets fans need to leave that in the past. One rotator cuff operation can mean the end of a QB's career - two is a guarentee.

 

I caught a lot of hell around here for pointing out the severity of that injury for that position, with info from my own experiences of having a torn labrum repaired, and what my ortho said about athletes & rotator cuff surgery - now Pennington reinjured himself doing exactly what I said would do it, and some here are talking about him like he still has a chance to become something in the NFL.

 

If it ain't Leinart, you better hope the Jets draft Young, because Ramsey ain't gonna get it done in NY if he couldn't get it done in Washington.

I don't think the Jets NEED a QB. Yes, they could use an upgrade, but the only one I would want to see in a Jets uniform from this year's draft would be Cutler, and I think #4 is too high for him. I've heard too much about Leinart having a weak arm to scare me away from him and if they take Vince Young, you can put me on suicide watch. However, Pennington/Ramsey could get it done. If Pennington can somehow rebound and return to even a shadow of his old form, then I'd be ok with that. If he can't, then Ramsey gets a shot. Hey, I'm a believer that Steve Spurrier ruined his career. Who knows, maybe a fresh start in a new place is all he needs. Rarely do you have the chance to add a talent like Reggie Bush to your team. If the Jets can move up to the #1 spot without giving up too much, then I'm all for it.

[toofunny 0]

On top of having DD, they have a pro bowl return man!

 

You're going to bench your pro bowl return guy, for a rookie? Bench DD for Bush?

 

Come on. It's a bad fit. If they can get 2 1st round picks, plus another late rounder. You can't pass that up. Williams/Brick/Hawk would all be much better fits.

[p.man 7]

I would like to see the Jets take one of the top 2 O-line players.

W.Justice or D.Brick. I don't think any team has to have the best Qb in the world to win. You do need a solid O-line and a very solid Defense. What good is a top Qb without an O-line who can block for him?

I REALLY!!! hope the Jets keep all of their picks. Please don't trade them away.

[p.man 7]

If the Jets were to trade away any picks this is what I'd hope it would be.

Trade picks 2 and 3 for a top 10 pick. I doubt that will happen but that's what I'd like to see happen if they really were to deal any of their picks.

[Eriadoc 4]

On top of having DD, they have a pro bowl return man!

 

You're going to bench your pro bowl return guy, for a rookie? Bench DD for Bush?

 

Come on. It's a bad fit. If they can get 2 1st round picks, plus another late rounder. You can't pass that up. Williams/Brick/Hawk would all be much better fits.

 

To add to the comment about Mathis - not only was he a Pro Bowl KR, he was an All-Pro. That's first-team Pro Bowl. Oh, and he was left off the fan ballot completely. He was voted in by players and coaches.

 

/derail off

[BennyAndTheJets 0]

I don't want Bush simply for the price it will cost. First you lay the foundation. Then you build the house. Then you add the fancy furniture. The Jets have many holes, and giving up a ton of picks for Bush wouldn't make sense. The Jets need line help on both sides, and they need to begin thinking about a QB if Ramsey isn't going to pan out.

 

If Bush falls to the #4 then that's a different story. Our O-line was swiss cheese last year. So Bush would probably be fairly ineffective anyway.

 

My 2 cents.

[Gephardt69 0]

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[p.man 7]

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I read it and I don't believe they would openly talk that way about another team.

 

It could be true but I don't think they would talk that way.

[Grigs Allmoon 0]

Link

 

Reading that fake, and incredibly poorly written article was a complete waste of time...

 

Why would someone even try passing off such rubbish as legitamate?