Jerry Porter...DUMB pick league...Draft COMMENTARY...take 2.

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Sup Jackson?

 

Comfortably numb was a dead song? Hmmmm maybe those pills really do have lasting effects.

Oh yeah...Westy was his dominating old self in the HOF game. This is the year he proves he deserves to be mentioned with guys like Marshall Faulk.

 

Hopefully, it's not because he misses 2 to 5 games a season.

 

 

I know comfortably numb is a PINK FLOYD song - only the greatest group of all time! I was just singing a little to myself!

[Steel City Blues 0]

I know comfortably numb is a PINK FLOYD song - only the greatest group of all time! I was just singing a little to myself!

 

Don't go dissing AC/DC boy! Just for that, I'm upping the steroid coctail juice for my players when we go head to head. You are sooooooo going down.

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Looking to trade for Michael Bennett - anyone else a little worried about some of these injuries that are popping up? Benson, TO, Westy?

 

Foster isn't hurt yet is he - - no way, he's rock freakin' solid this year - - 1400 all purpose and 11 td's!

[Steel City Blues 0]

No worries on the injury front mate.

 

My turn for the Disney adventure land. I'm headed to southern California in the morning for a little fun and relaxation...I know, great timing for a cross country flight. See you when I get back.

[Rye & Leaf 0]

Because you guys are a cut above the rest of the jackals on the main bored, I bring this question to you. I really want your opinions. I am in a keeper league and am having trouble deciding who the keepers should be. I already have one of the three decided, so I wont bother you with that.. but anyway, please pick one player from each of the following two groups:

 

group 1:

Willie Parker

Kevin Jones

Cory Dillion

 

group 2:

Andre Johnson

Javon Walker

Tony Gonzalez

 

 

thank you in advance

[football_scooter 0]

Because you guys are a cut above the rest of the jackals on the main bored, I bring this question to you. I really want your opinions. I am in a keeper league and am having trouble deciding who the keepers should be. I already have one of the three decided, so I wont bother you with that.. but anyway, please pick one player from each of the following two groups:

 

group 1:

Willie Parker

Kevin Jones

Cory Dillion

 

group 2:

Andre Johnson

Javon Walker

Tony Gonzalez

thank you in advance

 

Group 1: Kevin Jones - the Lions look to be seriously trying to turn it around, and KJ is a supremely talented RB. As much as I hate to say it, he's the best of the bunch. He's young, skilled and will eventually be a RB1. FWP is #2 on that list due to Dillon's age, but I'd be concerned about longevity and red zone carries.

 

KJ is your man here.

 

Group 2: Andre Johnson. I am so high on this kid - he looked like the next TO his 1st two seasons, and only a high ankle sprain kept him down last year. He's going to be the man, and of that trio he's the youngest with the most upside. I think we've already see Walker's best, and now he's on a run 1st offense in Denver.

 

HTH

 

 

 

(and thanks for getting my back on the drive by sniping on the main forearm)

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Group 1: Kevin Jones - the Lions look to be seriously trying to turn it around, and KJ is a supremely talented RB. As much as I hate to say it, he's the best of the bunch. He's young, skilled and will eventually be a RB1. FWP is #2 on that list due to Dillon's age, but I'd be concerned about longevity and red zone carries.

 

KJ is your man here.

 

Group 2: Andre Johnson. I am so high on this kid - he looked like the next TO his 1st two seasons, and only a high ankle sprain kept him down last year. He's going to be the man, and of that trio he's the youngest with the most upside. I think we've already see Walker's best, and now he's on a run 1st offense in Denver.

 

HTH

(and thanks for getting my back on the drive by sniping on the main forearm)

 

 

Exactly what Scooter said. Kj is in there on third downs and the goaline! What more could you ask for? AJ finally has a #2 beside him in Moulds (if only for a year or two though) should help ease some of the double coverage.

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Group 1: Kevin Jones - the Lions look to be seriously trying to turn it around, and KJ is a supremely talented RB. As much as I hate to say it, he's the best of the bunch. He's young, skilled and will eventually be a RB1. FWP is #2 on that list due to Dillon's age, but I'd be concerned about longevity and red zone carries.

 

KJ is your man here.

 

Group 2: Andre Johnson. I am so high on this kid - he looked like the next TO his 1st two seasons, and only a high ankle sprain kept him down last year. He's going to be the man, and of that trio he's the youngest with the most upside. I think we've already see Walker's best, and now he's on a run 1st offense in Denver.

 

HTH

(and thanks for getting my back on the drive by sniping on the main forearm)

 

thanks for the advice.

 

and, yeah dude, I pisses me off when a bum who just wants to start trouble calls out a solid contributer like yourself.....

 

 

also, thanks joc. is it me or is your team looking better everyday?

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How could anyone want Kevin Jones over FWP? One plays for the world champs, and the other plays for a laughingstock. Youve got to be kidding me. Rye, dont you dare keep Jones over Parker! Scooter drafted FWP at 3.04 in this league and Jones went in the last pick of the 3rd round.......there's a reason for that....Scotter WASNT drunk at the time. Dont overthink that. That 2nd group is a tossup. Id personally keep Walker over Johnson because Houston will still suck! Walker will be the clear 1 on that team later in the season during the playoffs when you need him. Check the schedules. I cant believe I keep having to bail people out like this.

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How could anyone want Kevin Jones over FWP? One plays for the world champs, and the other plays for a laughingstock. Youve got to be kidding me. Rye, dont you dare keep Jones over Parker! Scooter drafted FWP at 3.04 in this league and Jones went in the last pick of the 3rd round.......there's a reason for that....Scotter WASNT drunk at the time. Dont overthink that. That 2nd group is a tossup. Id personally keep Walker over Johnson because Houston will still suck! Walker will be the clear 1 on that team later in the season during the playoffs when you need him. Check the schedules. I cant believe I keep having to bail people out like this.

 

This is a redraft league.

 

Takea deep breath. Don't hurt yourself over there...breathe. Breathe.

 

There, isn't that better?

 

There's a couple good QBs coming out next year and most bad teams have good young QBs already. But the point of my advising KJ over FWP is that FWP is smallish, and will likely lose carries at the stripe. Kevin Jones is a young beast and a bad year last year doesn't erase the Ray Lewis Stiff-arm flattening talent he's showed when he's gotten the carries.

 

THIS year I take FWP over KJ all day.

 

In a dynasty, give me KJ all day. He's a much, much, much better RB.

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thanks for the opinion, solo

 

i watched like 6 steelers games last year, and i'd have to admitt I am not sure FWP has enough shake & bake in his game to be the long term answer for the steelers running game. I could see hayes or duce rising from the ashes to claim that position at some point in the season. In other words, besides the speed, i dont believe FWP is really that much better than the other RBs talentwise, if he even is better.

 

On the other hand, I watched kevin jones in a couple games last year. His talent is obvious. He can hit the hole like a hammer and run over defenders, juke them out of their shoes, or simply out run them at will. He should be a top 3 back in this league. It is baffling why he isn't.

In Martz's system, he should live up to his potential if only he can stay on the field, which is my only concern, and it is a pretty big one at that.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I am absolutely shaking my head at you 2 guys. Go ahead, Rye...have fun pulling your hair out. But just a by the way, Ive never owned KJ, so its nothing personal. But why on earth would you take some scrub from Detroit over a guy who not only had an 80yd TD run during everyone's fantasy playoffs last year and no doubt led countless owners to titles, but then delivered a record breaking 75yd TD run in the Superbowl???? Are you kidding me Kevin Jones is better than this guy? But its not really even about the individual, so which player is better than the other isnt even the point. Which player is surrounded by a team that gives him the best chance to be a stud? That answer is simple. And just an FYI, but Jones went to Va Tech. I live in Va Beach. I see all the games. Trust a guy from the same state. He was a nice college player, but thats about it. He was drafted by a team that clearly is clueless. Dont do it, dude. Sometimes, you just need to know where the knowledge is coming from.

[Rye & Leaf 0]

And just an FYI, but Jones went to Va Tech. I live in Va Beach. I see all the games. Trust a guy from the same state. He was a nice college player, but thats about it.

 

i thought virgina was for lovers, not haters? kj burned me in this league last year, but I cant let that influence my decisions this year. I still have to evaluate talent objectively.

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i thought virgina was for lovers, not haters? kj burned me in this league last year, but I cant let that influence my decisions this year. I still have to evaluate talent objectively.

 

 

Im substituting 'objectively' here for blindly. The guy burned you last year, and youre still coming back for more?......you'll get what you deserve. good luck with that. by the way, everyone knows Tech doesnt really put out quality NFL offensive players. Theyre hellacious with the D talent, but Michael Vick as a Tech superstud is really the only name I need to drop to make my point. Antonio Freeman is the best that school's ever done in the league. Jones isnt changing that.

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I am absolutely shaking my head at you 2 guys. Go ahead, Rye...have fun pulling your hair out. But just a by the way, Ive never owned KJ, so its nothing personal. But why on earth would you take some scrub from Detroit over a guy who not only had an 80yd TD run during everyone's fantasy playoffs last year and no doubt led countless owners to titles, but then delivered a record breaking 75yd TD run in the Superbowl???? Are you kidding me Kevin Jones is better than this guy? But its not really even about the individual, so which player is better than the other isnt even the point. Which player is surrounded by a team that gives him the best chance to be a stud? That answer is simple. And just an FYI, but Jones went to Va Tech. I live in Va Beach. I see all the games. Trust a guy from the same state. He was a nice college player, but thats about it. He was drafted by a team that clearly is clueless. Dont do it, dude. Sometimes, you just need to know where the knowledge is coming from.

 

I was burned badly by KJ last season.

 

It is the wise FFB manager who doesn't let a burned year taint his opinion of a player, and similarly doesn't overrate a couple of select carries which while impressive are not a definative statement about the player.

 

I distinctly recall FWP getting stuffed for lack of power last year. I know, I was one of the early believers.

 

Look - obviouslt I like FWP - but Kevin Jones opened my eyes in 2004 when he had the best 2nd half of any RB. And he's young. You're high on crack if you actually believe that FWP is more talented than KJones.

 

Just because the Lions drafted him, that doesn't make him a bad player. That's the most retarded logic I've ever heard. KJones was a franchise back pick, and for a reason - the guy is a beast.

 

FWP is a decent back in a great system. Kevin Jones is a great back in a crappy syetem. Hope this clears things up.

[Rye & Leaf 0]

Im substituting 'objectively' here for blindly. The guy burned you last year, and youre still coming back for more?......you'll get what you deserve. good luck with that. by the way, everyone knows Tech doesnt really put out quality NFL offensive players. Theyre hellacious with the D talent, but Michael Vick as a Tech superstud is really the only name I need to drop to make my point. Antonio Freeman is the best that school's ever done in the league. Jones isnt changing that.

 

I am not sure you believe your own rhetoric, solo.........the definition you give in your second sentence fits that of the subjective...dont get me wrong, i like your prose style, but you dont provide a convincing argument...i do appreciate the advice

[Steel City Blues 0]

Because you guys are a cut above the rest of the jackals on the main bored, I bring this question to you. I really want your opinions. I am in a keeper league and am having trouble deciding who the keepers should be. I already have one of the three decided, so I wont bother you with that.. but anyway, please pick one player from each of the following two groups:

 

group 1:

Willie Parker

Kevin Jones

Cory Dillion

 

group 2:

Andre Johnson

Javon Walker

Tony Gonzalez

thank you in advance

 

Checking in for a football fix fix here in sunny CA.

 

Dillon is getting up there in years. New kid breathing down his neck. I'm not buying in a keeper league situation.

 

FWP vs Kevin Jones is a tough one in a keeper league. Lucky for me, I didn't jump on the KJ bandwagon last season. As long as Detroit sux, KJ will continue to suffer. Throw in a wicked SOS & I'll pass on him for another season. If you believe in Detroit developing a high powered offense by the end of the season, keep KJ.

 

Give me FWP. This kid is only going to get better. He spent the off season preparing for the starting job as opposed to hoping to fill a special teams/change of pace back role. The best part is Parker is on a strong team committed to the run.

 

KJ is an every down back which is the biggest advantage he has over Parker. It's a pretty close call. Maybe Scoot will feature the scenario in a Keep 3 player spotlight. Make the first two picks no brainers like LJ and TO. You must keep a third back....FWP or KJ. It would be interesting to see how close a call this is.

 

 

 

At WR, it comes down to faith in a talented player in a bad situation again. The Houston running game has an unstable smell to it. If teams double AJ and go after the QB with that offensive line, it's going to be another long year for the Texans. The D should help make their offense one dimentional. HINT: I am not an AJ believer on a lousy Houston team.

 

Gonzo is knocked down a few pegs with the departure of Roaf. Enough to rule him out easily IMO.

 

That leaves Walker gliding into Denver. Rod Smith and the running game will command respect. Between play action and good play calling, Walker will probably be open deep several plays a game. A healthy dose of one-on-one coverage is in his future. Walker is da man.

 

Scooter will probably like to hear this from me. The more ff players with an opinion like mine, the better chance he has to get AJ in all of his leagues this season.

 

Good luck Rye.

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I am not sure you believe your own rhetoric, solo.........the definition you give in your second sentence fits that of the subjective...dont get me wrong, i like your prose style, but you dont provide a convincing argument...i do appreciate the advice

 

 

like I said earlier, Im just shaking my head......and again, you'll get what you deserve. And, AGAIN, and Scooter you can particularly appreciate this, if hindsight is 20/20, then why would you make the same mistakes? Youve both been burned by a guy, but yet youd come right back to him? Youve got to be kidding me. Rhetoric? Dont throw medium sized words around when they dont really fit the subject matter. I speak the truth, but it is afterall just an opinion. I tried to be clear in stating that its not really about the individual player as much as the team support, but obviously some dont get that 'logic'. Do what you will....

 

I love you guys. Have I ever told you Id love to be in a league with you fellas?.....oh, right....we're already in one. Now, if I only I could somehow get the 3rd pick......

[football_scooter 0]

like I said earlier, Im just shaking my head......and again, you'll get what you deserve. And, AGAIN, and Scooter you can particularly appreciate this, if hindsight is 20/20, then why would you make the same mistakes? Youve both been burned by a guy, but yet youd come right back to him? Youve got to be kidding me. Rhetoric? Dont throw medium sized words around when they dont really fit the subject matter. I speak the truth, but it is afterall just an opinion. I tried to be clear in stating that its not really about the individual player as much as the team support, but obviously some dont get that 'logic'. Do what you will....

 

I love you guys. Have I ever told you Id love to be in a league with you fellas?.....oh, right....we're already in one. Now, if I only I could somehow get the 3rd pick......

 

Again, it's short term Vs long term.

 

As much as I liked parker last year and lik him this year, I question his staying power.

 

Likewise, as much as I hated KJ last year and as mediocre as I think he will be this year, I think his future is very bright. Once DET turns it around, and I think that will take one more offseason/draft, KJ is going to be a beast.

 

So you go on and rip me for my preference, but just don't forget that I am not talking about value for 2006, or getting burned in 2006. I am talking about a keeper format for 2007 and beyond.

 

Same with AJ & the Texans. As for it being a bad team so AJ will fail, the numbers from his 1st 2 years in the league weren't hurt at all by being a one dimentional offense. And in a PPR league, it could make him even more of a beast.

 

 

Long term, fellas....keeper league. Gimme the young and talented over the rest any day. To me the best young talents listed are KJ & AJ, despite their present day rough situations.

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I agree that AJ is more talented than Walker. I've watched them both play.

 

I still go with Walker because you never know what will happen to AJ. Walker has proven he can be very successful at the pro level and he is on a very good team that will put up more points than Houston. I'm sure we all know there is a big difference in value between a solid NFL starter in KC or DEN compared to a more talented back mired in DET or TEN.

 

 

Same argument for KJ @ running back. Let's say you are right and KJ is the suck again this season due to a few factors beyond his control...poor team, coaching, defense is a door mat, don't have the right players for the system yet. KJ will be dirt cheap next season because no one will think the kid can make it in Detroit. A few will see through the circumstances and draft him for value after the first few rounds. Next year Rye will be asking "do I keep KJ again (twice bitten, thrice shy) or Joseph Addai? Keep Parker.

[SoloMatisse 0]

in a keeper league, winning 'next year' means losing THIS YEAR. dont look too far down the road in any league, but especially with 2 players who are both in their 3rd year. one guy plays for the world champs and the other plays for the Lions. keep things simple. you start outthinking yourself, and youll get in trouble there genius....kindof like drafting Priest Holmes 3rd or 4th overall last year when you could have just picked up LJ in the 5th round. Some of us thought to do that......others,....well, others STILL like Kevin Jones. too damn funny!

[Rye & Leaf 0]

I love you guys.

 

Love you too, Solo. you crack me up.

 

these choices were hard for me that is why I was compelled to post them and ask. I have never asked for personal advice on this bored before...

 

thanks for the opinion steel

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Love you too, Solo. you crack me up.

 

these choices were hard for me that is why I was compelled to post them and ask. I have never asked for personal advice on this bored before...

 

thanks for the opinion steel

 

 

If you cant trust this band of merry men, who can you trust? weve got your back, Rye. just be careful of FS's advice.....he means well with his advice, but he's usually drunk when he gives it.

 

somebody hand me a friggin' steak!

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Man I'm glad I picked up Deshaun Foster with that 3.1 pick! The way Chester Taylor looked last night - jeez. I'm still sticking with what I said a few weeks ago, I WILL START deshaun foster week #1! I might just sign in now to yahoo and set my roster. Ya ya that's what I'm going to do. ! It's almost time

[football_scooter 0]

in a keeper league, winning 'next year' means losing THIS YEAR. dont look too far down the road in any league, but especially with 2 players who are both in their 3rd year. one guy plays for the world champs and the other plays for the Lions. keep things simple. you start outthinking yourself, and youll get in trouble there genius....kindof like drafting Priest Holmes 3rd or 4th overall last year when you could have just picked up LJ in the 5th round. Some of us thought to do that......others,....well, others STILL like Kevin Jones. too damn funny!

 

Uh, but I happen to think KJ is going to be solid play this year.

 

I think KJ's upside this year is about the same as you'll get from Parker.

 

Then next year Parker might do the same and KJ will be on that other level.

 

That said, I would like to know the parameters....what pick do you have? Can you drop KJ then draft him in the 2nd?

 

If so, than do that.

 

If you cant trust this band of merry men, who can you trust? weve got your back, Rye. just be careful of FS's advice.....he means well with his advice, but he's usually drunk when he gives it.

 

somebody hand me a friggin' steak!

 

only sometimes.

 

I stand by my opinions here.

 

Walker is coming off reconstructive knee surgery and going to a run-first team while Johnson is on a team that will be playing from behind all the time again...when healthy he's a lock for 1000/8, with upside for days.

 

I've said all I need about KJ Vs Parker, but it never did occur to me that me might be able to keep FWP and draft KJ.

[jocstrap 8]

Well, Well, Well, looks like Troy Williamson just stepped into a larger role for the Vikes offense! Who has this guy anyway . Oh yea me!

[football_scooter 0]

Well, Well, Well, looks like Troy Williamson just stepped into a larger role for the Vikes offense! Who has this guy anyway . Oh yea me!

 

If only he had a QB to throw him the ball.

 

Johnson = statue.

 

 

Having the #1 receiver for the new-look viqueens is like taking your sister to the prom. Oh, wait - I took your sister to the prom...never mind. bad analogy. point is she-er, it sucks.

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If only he had a QB to throw him the ball.

 

Johnson = statue.

Having the #1 receiver for the new-look viqueens is like taking your sister to the prom. Oh, wait - I took your sister to the prom...never mind. bad analogy. point is she-er, it sucks.

 

 

I can foresee lots of quick slants in Johnson's future. Williamson breaks the lone takle and see ya bye bye.

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I see you down there. Good day to you, Joc!

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I see you down there. Good day to you, Joc!

 

 

Hey Hey, I check for a little orange box/ hopefully red, read it and move back to the main forum. Man it's starting to get crowded again.

[Steel City Blues 0]

Hey Hey, I check for a little orange box/ hopefully red, read it and move back to the main forum. Man it's starting to get crowded again.

 

Dude! I can't believe you declined my offer of Fitz for Foster & Williamson. I guess you really like that fragile bastage. :shrug:

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Dude! I can't believe you declined my offer of Fitz for Foster & Williamson. I guess you really like that fragile bastage. :shrug:

 

 

I never even saw the offer? Where was it? When was it? UGH!

[Rye & Leaf 0]

Dude! I can't believe you declined my offer of Fitz for Foster & Williamson. I guess you really like that fragile bastage. :shrug:

 

bring your fitz offer here.....also, im a huge mcnabb fan...hint hint

[ellisonb11 0]

im open for all trades....

[Rye & Leaf 0]

Let me mark off Cedric Cobbs and Vince Young off my list - - OOps my running back list ends at 80 and no Cobbs and Qb at 50 and no Young . I'M PLAYING WITH ROOKIES I TELL YA!

 

uh huh, there was a prospect better than cobbs.

 

 

In my opinion, there is another Denver RB that might be a better prospect. I mention no names and probably won't draft him. Denver is always such a fantasy mess at rb...lol

 

But I never thought he would start over tater. FU, rat, you got me again!

 

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Also, thanks again for the keeper info, guys. I ended up swinging a deal for Tiki so I didnt have to keep K. Jones after all. He has a world of talent, but I dont think he can stay on the field. I hope he proves me wrong. Also, I kept Andre Johnson.

[Rye & Leaf 0]

Scooter, could you give me the link to that randomizer we used to determine our draft order? I want to use that for another league I'm in.

[jocstrap 8]

My team is looking scary good!

 

Where the hell are the rest of our league members?

Howie - do you really exist?

Clash - vanished - you still haven't updated - booooo

sweetness - too many leagues to talk to us?

 

Thumbs up to - rye and leaf, steel, scooter, solo, me,

 

The rest of you loser's better step it up.

[ellisonb11 0]

Thumbs up to - rye and leaf, steel, scooter, solo, me,

 

The rest of you loser's better step it up.

 

whoa whoa whoa, ive been checking in as well! give me my props too!

 

BTW rye i think it was you that i got offered a trade from. i want a #3 RB if its possible.

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whoa whoa whoa, ive been checking in as well! give me my props too!

 

BTW rye i think it was you that i got offered a trade from. i want a #3 RB if its possible.

 

 

Yes yes Ellisonb11 you've been a good boy also - keep it up!

[Rye & Leaf 0]

whoa whoa whoa, ive been checking in as well! give me my props too!

 

BTW rye i think it was you that i got offered a trade from. i want a #3 RB if its possible.

 

I can't do that. Your team would be really good. Unfortunately, you are going to be tough to beat this year, and it really isn't in my best interests to give you depth in a position that is rather sparce on my team. I drafted 3 TEs for a reason. One will pan out. Miller should put up numbers. I just really like Cooley this year in that offense.