Would you have Harrison and Wayne.....

[ggroovy17 0]

In 2004, this combination would of carried a fantasy team. Last year it wouldn't of been that bad. This year, without Edge I think each will have over 10 TD's which is all you can ask from your WR's. Would you have both of them, why or why not?

[Da Bomb 0]

id take both of them because ones a great WR1 and the other a great WR2. but i wouldnt expect 10 TDs from both, or even either one necessarily. but hey, if you can have two top 15 WRs like that, why not be happy with the pair?

[Vikings4ever 550]

Barring a trade, no.

 

Harrison is a late second pick, Wayne a late third. To get both without a trade, you have to get an absolute steal (which, in a competitive league, isn't going to happen), or really reach for one.

 

Now if you can work a good trade, I'd be just fine have the 2 of them at WR.

[sharkie22 0]

I would not have Harrison and Wayne. As unlikely as it may be (or maybe not), if Manning were to go down you would pretty much lose your top two receivers. If the Colts manage to lock up their division early once again you also could possibly not have them for the full game in week 16.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Hell yes. Maybe I like taking risks too much but that would be a worthwhile gamble to me. Especially this year without Edge.

[escobante 0]

In 2004, this combination would of carried a fantasy team. Last year it wouldn't of been that bad. This year, without Edge I think each will have over 10 TD's which is all you can ask from your WR's. Would you have both of them, why or why not?

 

wouldn't kill me to have them, but rather have guys from seperate teams so I don't have to watch just colts games every weekend. variety!

[cmh6476 1,024]

i had holt and bruce maybe 3 years ago, and at times it was frustrating to say the least, as one would blow up and the other would do little or nothing

[unckeyherb 2]

I would not have Harrison and Wayne. As unlikely as it may be (or maybe not), if Manning were to go down you would pretty much lose your top two receivers. If the Colts manage to lock up their division early once again you also could possibly not have them for the full game in week 16.

 

 

That says it all right there. I think they might get you into the playoffs. And then destroy you by only playing the first half. I think a much better tandem would be fitz and Boldin, but that would be even harder for you to accomplish unless you've already got one in a keeper and you reach for the other. At the end of the day, a stud WR is a stud WR. This is very similar to a guy in my league that had Dellhomme and Smith last year. He passed on Palmer to take Dellhomme last year because he wanted that tandem. I took Palmer instead and at the end of the year we compared info...if he would have gone with Palmer instead of Dellhomme he would have had one loss all year. My point is, while Wayne is a very good WR2, there are others out there, on different teams that can blow up on the same weeks as Harrison. Figure if one is getting lots of looks and beefing up their points, the other probably is going to suffer a bit. Why take that chance.

[27Atwater27 0]

Hell yeah, i would take those two. Would it happen? No, cause you would have to invest your 2nd and 3rd rounders to get both of them.

[MudDawgs4Life 6]

I would not have Harrison and Wayne. As unlikely as it may be (or maybe not), if Manning were to go down you would pretty much lose your top two receivers. If the Colts manage to lock up their division early once again you also could possibly not have them for the full game in week 16.

 

the week 16 talk is just dumb. you're stamping your ticket to the championship game in June? pretty confident. you've gotta get there first and if these guys screw you, then they screw you, look to your bench. but it's a loooooong road to the championship, if you think they're going to produce, damn straight i'd take them both.

 

if the colts rattle off 8 wins in a row to start the season, and you're in first place riding the coattails of these two, just look for a trade. look at a team fighting for a playoff spot and talk up the fact that they can't look to week 16 just yet...THEY NEED TO JUST GET IN THE PLAYOFFS.

 

seems simple to me - if you're looking to take a wide reciever, and at the pick harrison or wayne are ranked highest on your personal rankings, grab them, no doubt.

 

one of the worst draft day mistakes an owner can make is not taking a guy they like, a guy they really think is going to produce, because of circumstances like this. or because they already have 3 wide recievers and really need a tight end. something like that.

 

but that's just like my opinion man.

[sharkie22 0]

the week 16 talk is just dumb. you're stamping your ticket to the championship game in June? pretty confident. you've gotta get there first and if these guys screw you, then they screw you, look to your bench. but it's a loooooong road to the championship, if you think they're going to produce, damn straight i'd take them both.

 

if the colts rattle off 8 wins in a row to start the season, and you're in first place riding the coattails of these two, just look for a trade. look at a team fighting for a playoff spot and talk up the fact that they can't look to week 16 just yet...THEY NEED TO JUST GET IN THE PLAYOFFS.

 

seems simple to me - if you're looking to take a wide reciever, and at the pick harrison or wayne are ranked highest on your personal rankings, grab them, no doubt.

 

one of the worst draft day mistakes an owner can make is not taking a guy they like, a guy they really think is going to produce, because of circumstances like this. or because they already have 3 wide recievers and really need a tight end. something like that.

 

but that's just like my opinion man.

 

Right on. For me the thing is why take unneccessary risks when there are receivers on the board who are their teams first option? Chambers, D Jackson and Ward are all currently available just after the spot that Wayne is going at (ADP). If you look at the Colts first seven games last year and had Harrison and Wayne you would have averaged a combined 28 points HP scoring with PPR. It took until week 9 before defenses gave up on focusing entirely on stopping Manning and that was with Edge running all over them. I gotta wonder if Rhodes/ Addai will even be able to get opposing defenses to play the run honest. Again, why put all your eggs in one basket? If the running game does not materialize to the same degree as last year (I seriously doubt it will) would you be content with 28 points from your two receivers each week? I'm not knocking either receiver. I simply prefer avoiding situations that can become exponentially bad if either someone gets hurt or some other part of a football team doesn't perform. Thats just my opinion.

[Grateful Parrot 0]

I avoid situations like these for mostly 1 reason.

 

I don't concede to 1 loss per year. Having you 1 and 2 off the same bye week is pretty much deminishing your possible points for that week. Typically in a draft, you might end up with another number 1 by the bye week, but it's hard to lose both and still be competitive.

[gatorbait7391 0]

Barring a trade, no.

 

Harrison is a late second pick, Wayne a late third. To get both without a trade, you have to get an absolute steal (which, in a competitive league, isn't going to happen), or really reach for one.

 

Now if you can work a good trade, I'd be just fine have the 2 of them at WR.

[ellisonb11 0]

it would be a pretty solid duo, but with both it could be troubling. if manning gets hurt, both of their values drop, and also on bye weeks its almost a guaranteed loss.

[Vikings4ever 550]

and also on bye weeks its almost a guaranteed loss.

If I could get LJ, LT2, TO, and Randy Moss, I wouldn't hesitate, bye weeks be damned. I'll eat the one loss, and kick ass for the rest of the season.

[Greedo 13]

I would go so far as to suggest that I'd RATHER have both than just one.

 

Inevitably, 1 of these guys has 2 catches for 22 yards, the other 160 yards and 2 TDs. You look at it like 1 group - you'll get 125-225 yards and 1-2 TDs every week - 18-34 points from your WRs. Good points, with low variability.

 

In addition, there are always WRs later on in drafts that turn out well - Moss, Galloway, and Glenn last year, for example. You should be able to fill a bye week with a player that has a shot at a good game.

 

And if you're worried about Manning getting hurt, or having to figure out how to win a playoff game on draft day, maybe this isn't the hobby for you, because worrying about either is a waste of time.

[HawgWild 0]

it would be a pretty solid duo, but with both it could be troubling. if manning gets hurt, both of their values drop, and also on bye weeks its almost a guaranteed loss.

 

I agree.. i try to avoid these types of situations...

[Moonlight 0]

I had em both last year. Team scored highest # of points. Alexander as #1 RB helped.

 

My team struggled regarding Ws and Ls early as Indy started slow.

[HardTack 0]

What is all this IF shiat?? When has Peyton ever not played a game??

 

If a T5 tornado went through Chicago, followed a path to Indy, then ended in Cincy...you could lose 5 picks from your draft....I never draft with 'IFs' in mind.

 

Both Wayne and Harrison will end up with 1000 yds and combined 20 TDS...conservatively....IF they dont get in a head on collision on I-70.

 

And with the bye week thing....I have always heard mixed feelings on it. That is what rounds 8-15 are for....BYE week fillers. There are several WRs that can be had in the later rounds that can fill in on that bye week. Guys like Lloyd, Bryant, Kennison, Bruce, Brown, Keyshawn, Curtis...etc....can get you 60-70 yds and maybe a TD....its always a crap shoot with WRs anyway...unless you have a top 5-6 that always produces(there are exceptions- S.Moss last year)....and even then its not a given. And when bye weeks start...other teams probably have a high rounder on a bye week as well...leaving them to use their late rounder flyers or veterans to fill as well.

 

 

The draft is never won in the first 5 rounds...its the guy that drafts wisely late that usually wins the championship. I did it last year drafting LJ in the 6th round, Kennison in the 11th, and Curtis in the 12th...as everyone thought Priest would get all the work and Kennison was a dud. Kennison was a great value pick last year for me as was Curtis.....draft wisely and take a few chances/flyers where you have studs starting. That one late pick could make the difference in a playoff team or an early exit....the key is getting there.

 

As the saying goes....In order to win first.....you first, must win.

 

Draft the best player available...even if it means having Wayne and Harrison as your 1-2 punch at WR...and if a matchup comes about where you think one of your flyers/veteran could have a huge outing.....sub Wayne or Harrison out....as wierd as that sounds....the wise FF manager will play the matchups if it deems itself appropriate. Sometimes you get burnt....but sometimes it comes out to your advantage...we have all done it...

 

 

Anyway...I will step down off the soapbox now....Have a good day!

[sharkie22 0]

What is all this IF shiat?? When has Peyton ever not played a game??

 

If a T5 tornado went through Chicago, followed a path to Indy, then ended in Cincy...you could lose 5 picks from your draft....I never draft with 'IFs' in mind.

 

Both Wayne and Harrison will end up with 1000 yds and combined 20 TDS...conservatively....IF they dont get in a head on collision on I-70.

 

And with the bye week thing....I have always heard mixed feelings on it. That is what rounds 8-15 are for....BYE week fillers. There are several WRs that can be had in the later rounds that can fill in on that bye week. Guys like Lloyd, Bryant, Kennison, Bruce, Brown, Keyshawn, Curtis...etc....can get you 60-70 yds and maybe a TD....its always a crap shoot with WRs anyway...unless you have a top 5-6 that always produces(there are exceptions- S.Moss last year)....and even then its not a given. And when bye weeks start...other teams probably have a high rounder on a bye week as well...leaving them to use their late rounder flyers or veterans to fill as well.

The draft is never won in the first 5 rounds...its the guy that drafts wisely late that usually wins the championship. I did it last year drafting LJ in the 6th round, Kennison in the 11th, and Curtis in the 12th...as everyone thought Priest would get all the work and Kennison was a dud. Kennison was a great value pick last year for me as was Curtis.....draft wisely and take a few chances/flyers where you have studs starting. That one late pick could make the difference in a playoff team or an early exit....the key is getting there.

 

As the saying goes....In order to win first.....you first, must win.

 

Draft the best player available...even if it means having Wayne and Harrison as your 1-2 punch at WR...and if a matchup comes about where you think one of your flyers/veteran could have a huge outing.....sub Wayne or Harrison out....as wierd as that sounds....the wise FF manager will play the matchups if it deems itself appropriate. Sometimes you get burnt....but sometimes it comes out to your advantage...we have all done it...

Anyway...I will step down off the soapbox now....Have a good day!

 

Thanks for the insight. I don't think anyone has said to not take Wayne over a lesser player. Given the choice between Chambers and Wayne I would take Chambers if I already had Harrison.

 

I don't happen to think all will be well in Indy. I think Edge will be missed and it will slow the passing game somewhat. I think the first 7 games last year is a fair barometer as to what Indy's passing game will likely do for the most part. As far as Manning never missing a game, that's true. This will be his 9th season. Besides Favre there isn't an active QB to not miss any games for 9 consecutive seasons. Either a rookie or Rhodes will now be picking up blitzes instead of James plus both Pittsburgh and San Diego were able to get to Manning last year from their 3-4's.

 

If these changes only amount to a 5% chance of Harrison and Wayne both having sub par years that's cool. All I'm saying is I wouldn't take them both if I believed there was another WR on the board who would do at least as well as Wayne. If I didn't think so then I'd have to take Wayne. Personally, I prefer not to have two WR's from the same team. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

No. And all the reasons have been stated. If you don't believe in one of them, let me summerize ALL of them:

 

1. Bye week disaster.

2. Manning injury ends your season.

3. Possible (maybe probable) loss of your top 2 WR's for the playoffs, SB.

4. A game in bad (passing) weather and you are screwed. (OK, that's mine).

5. Limited "expolsion factor." By that I mean, if you have either and say a (insert name here) you could get 100+ games from both and 2 TDs from each. With this duo, it's highly unlikely.

 

The sum of the parts is the answer to the question. Why take the risk when similiar #'s could be expected to come from other players and avoid all these risks? Yeah, I love having one of them, but not both.

 

Note, edited to add #5 due to CC factor.

[Nichee 0]

If I had Harrison and the next time I targeted a WR Wayne was the highest on my board, yes, I'd take him.

 

A lot of stuff happens in fantasy that you can't control, but I wouldn't intentionally take a lower-rated player because of the 'if' factor.

[jocstrap 8]

I am the #1.1 of a 12 teamer - - I wish I could have had either - - check it out on ffmockboards - My top 7 wr's were gone I couldn't take Harrison and wasn't taking Wayne at 2.12 or 3.1 (Owens, Moss, Harrison, Smith, CJ, Fitz, Holt) - - Boldin Ward Djax Chambers were left

 

When It came back around 99 picks later 4.12 & 5.1 - Wayne was long long gone. I wish I could have had either

[ggroovy17 0]

We have a 3 round auction before we start drafting with all teams having 1 keeper from last year. I have Shaun Alexander going into this year. With running backs at a premium it is very likely that I could get Harrison and Wayne because the people will pay alot for running backs. The stat I can't ignore is that over the last two years both players have averaged 20 TD's between the both of them. If you can get a guaranteed 20 TD's with 2 receivers i'd do it.

[neworleansff2003 0]

whats a t5 tornado?

 

What is all this IF shiat?? When has Peyton ever not played a game??

 

If a T5 tornado went through Chicago, followed a path to Indy, then ended in Cincy...you could lose 5 picks from your draft....I never draft with 'IFs' in mind.

 

Both Wayne and Harrison will end up with 1000 yds and combined 20 TDS...conservatively....IF they dont get in a head on collision on I-70.

 

And with the bye week thing....I have always heard mixed feelings on it. That is what rounds 8-15 are for....BYE week fillers. There are several WRs that can be had in the later rounds that can fill in on that bye week. Guys like Lloyd, Bryant, Kennison, Bruce, Brown, Keyshawn, Curtis...etc....can get you 60-70 yds and maybe a TD....its always a crap shoot with WRs anyway...unless you have a top 5-6 that always produces(there are exceptions- S.Moss last year)....and even then its not a given. And when bye weeks start...other teams probably have a high rounder on a bye week as well...leaving them to use their late rounder flyers or veterans to fill as well.

The draft is never won in the first 5 rounds...its the guy that drafts wisely late that usually wins the championship. I did it last year drafting LJ in the 6th round, Kennison in the 11th, and Curtis in the 12th...as everyone thought Priest would get all the work and Kennison was a dud. Kennison was a great value pick last year for me as was Curtis.....draft wisely and take a few chances/flyers where you have studs starting. That one late pick could make the difference in a playoff team or an early exit....the key is getting there.

 

As the saying goes....In order to win first.....you first, must win.

 

Draft the best player available...even if it means having Wayne and Harrison as your 1-2 punch at WR...and if a matchup comes about where you think one of your flyers/veteran could have a huge outing.....sub Wayne or Harrison out....as wierd as that sounds....the wise FF manager will play the matchups if it deems itself appropriate. Sometimes you get burnt....but sometimes it comes out to your advantage...we have all done it...

Anyway...I will step down off the soapbox now....Have a good day!