Team by Team Analysis: Initial Post Updated

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

First off, thanks to everyone...great job guys.

Hit some bumps, but overall good job by folks new and old...both flow of draft for most part, commentary and learning.

Second, if possible, let's have everyone do some team evals...I know it can be alot, but you don't need to be as in depth as Bomb or RC.

Something like: 'Like player1, don't like player2, best pick was player3, worst pick was player4....wrs are weak but rbs/qbs strong, team decent overall and should compete during season but see early playoff exit.'

Echoing Bomb's sentiments: Be honest, we won't learn anything if we're too easy on each other, but if you do criticize do it respectfully.

Will be posting picks by team and picks by owners for main board for feedback there as well.

Thanks and Good Job again guys!

Bomb's Take

i aim to be brutally honest, for better and for worse. im not out to give anyone a pat on the back, and im not out to attack anyone either. if i dont like a player you do, or vice versa, id be happy to talk about the player with you or else just agree to disagree. its been fun, and 10 rounds is about enough to analyze each team. so take this for what its worth, and just one rule.

less :huh: and more :first: .

Fumbleweed

QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

QB Daunte Culpepper, MIA

RB Larry Johnson, KC

RB Julius Jones, DAL

RB Deuce McAllister, NO

RB Marion Barber III, Dal.

WR Rod Smith, DEN

WR Jerry Porter, Oak.

TE Antonio Gates, SD

i liked the value each time you picked, other than rod smith who was a round or two early. you picked right next to me and snatched out guys i was considering quite often. johnson is the right #1 pick imo, and gates was the right pick too. i dont like julius jones, but that was good value for him there and a needed cuff in marion barber. the one thing i quite disagree with is what you did with WRs. i totally respect the whole wait-and-see approach, but youve taken it to the extreme and left me very uncomfortable with that team. i have to wonder what if you had taken a 3rd WR instead of mcnabb, or especially instead of deuce. your WRs would be much more pleasant, and the rest of your team would all still be very solid. i think you just took the WRs thing too far personally.

FantasyKing

QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL

QB Jake Plummer, DEN

RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

RB Joseph Addai, IND

RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

WR Chris Chambers, MIA

WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

your team underwhelms me, and i can pinpoint a couple of reasons why. first, i like the idea of taking the top WRs early, but im just not quite sold on boldin as belonging in the top tier without the TDs. i would have rather seen gates there and another WR at 4.11 instead i think. i also think you may be quite weak at RB2 as you rely on inconsistent rookies, both of whom may well start the season as backups. you are solid at QB and TE, but i think your team is rely on your top two WRs to carry you in the early going while your RBs figure themselves out. having to rely on boldin/chambers to carry my team would scare me personally, and i think by the time one of the rookie RBs pans out, it might be too late to make much of a run. i think you couldve taken measures to put yourself in a better position at RB... either taking one in the 2nd or 3rd, taking a sure starter over addai, adding a better 3rd option in the 5th, beign sure to get rhodes, etc. without any of those options, the team just scares me some.

Da Bomb

QB Michael Vick, ATL

QB Brett Favre, GB

RB Ladanian Tomlinson, SD

RB Chester Taylor, MIN

RB Curtis Martin, NYJ

WR Marvin Harrison, IND

WR Lee Evans, BUF

WR Terry Glenn, DAL

TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

looking back, im not sure how i might have played this one different. i debated gates or harrison at 2.10 and am quite happy i took harrison since the dropoff at WR from him to someone at 5.3 wouldve been much greater than gates/shockey. my one biggest questionable pick was cumar, who i know was high, but i wouldve really been weak at RB depth if i didnt take him then. it wouldve meant i would have palmer at QB and a weaker RB backup. i like the vick/favre combo a lot with matchups and dont think ive lost much from taking a QB, and im not quite so sold on taylor that i would be comfortable with someone like deangelo williams as my only backup, from the 6th. overall, the team is solid but nothing too flashy. tomlinson, harrison, and shockey are solid consistent points. after that its all about upside. i would probably need 2 of taylor, evans, and glenn to do well in order for my team to contend.

Nan

QB Jake Delhomme, CAR

QB Aaron Brooks, OAK

RB Clinton Portis, WAS

RB Deshaun Foster, CAR

RB Dominic Rhodes, IND

RB Sam Gado, GB

WR Randy Moss, OAK

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

your first three picks are probably exactly who i wouldve taken, and ditto mason as well. i dont like the deshaun foster pick, but thats because i really just am not comfortable with him as a starter. granted there werent a lot of options there, but i dont like foster that high and esp without deangelo williams. im usually not huge on backing up my RBs, but i think with a guy like foster, you pretty much have to have deangelo. i think you needed to grab him in the 6th and couldve still snagged rhodes in the 7th as well, then taken your 2nd QB in the 9th instead - plummer or brees or someone -- and not lost much at QB while gaining a lot of security at RB. i think having deangelo over gado wouldve been a huge upgrade for your team. still, your QBs arent going to lose you much ground, and your WR corps is probably the best in the league, so really you just need either foster or rhodes to come through, plus some late TE to keep you close. solid team all around. and for the record, ive called 5 of your 9 picks.

Danzone

QB Kurt Warner, ARI

QB Steve McNair, BAL

RB Tiki Barber, NYG

RB Willie Parker, PIT

RB Thomas Jones, CHI

RB Fred Taylor, JAX

WR Torry Holt, STL

WR Joe Horn, NO

TE Jason Witten, DAL

this team to me looks like a lot of decent but not great positions. that seems to fit your description for me at RB1, RB2, WR2, WR3, QB, and TE. i like warner and mcnair as good potential backups, but it would scare me having just those two as starters. witten is a good TE and was a good value there. i didnt like the willie parker pick at all, nor the thomas jones one. i just dont like parker and thought it was way too high -- as your 4th he wouldve been a solid pick. and with jones, his playing time is in question and you didnt get benson with him. fred taylor was a nice value pick but made the parker or jones pick unnecessary. instead your team is left very thin at WR, when you couldve had one of the best WR corps. i just see a lot of average picks here, with a lot of guys who are old and have already peaked, and not a lot of upside. not one of my favorite teams.

Shane Falco

QB Carson Palmer, CIN

QB Drew Brees, NO

RB Steven Jackson, STL

RB Kevin Jones, DET

RB Ahman Green, GB

RB Lendale White, TEN

WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

WR Santana Moss, WAS

WR Reggie Brown, PHI

WR Koren Robinson, MIN

you got a tough draft position. had to pick first from the next tier of RBs, and then toward the end of the leftover RB/WR tier with the next two picks. i am not a fan of the guys you got. they were good values by draft standards, just not guys i like to put up the numbers this year to match where you took them. the santana moss pick in the 4th was a slam dunk, like getting a free upgrade to a 3rd rounder. i like the upside of the other late WR picks as well. didnt like the lendale white pick, as i dont care for him this year and think you wouldve been better served to grab a good TE there. i liked palmer where you took him, but i think you needed to get a sure backup. brees is also coming off injury, and you could really be scrambling this season if those guys dont start at 100%. this is one of those all-upside teams. the problem with those teams is that usually a couple of the guys will hit the upside, but the rest will bust and it wont matter anyways. i wouldve liked to see a couple more solid, consistent guys thrown in there to balance the roster a bit. i will admit though, the upside is fantastic if it hits.

Erb047

QB Peyton Manning, IND

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

TE Todd Heap, BAL

this team is a victim of having a lot of guys i just dont like as picks much this year. i did think edge was the right pick, and djax and heap were good picks as well. im not a huge fan of taking peyton manning so high. i just dont see him as really separating himself from the 4th-5th round QBs, and i think you couldve done better to take a stud WR there instead. i would rather have holt/brady than manning/housh. i thought you went with both bell and jones too early. im not a fan of those guys -- i see them as guys who will be sick like once a week and will cost your team a lot of wins in between. really though, the manning pick will dictate how this team ends up. if he plays like 2004, you'll hang tough. but if he plays like 05 and doesnt give you a real significant advantage there, you will be hurting.

JB

QB Trent Green, KC

RB Lamont Jordan, Oak

RB Reggie Bush, NO

RB Frank Gore, SF

RB Greg Jones, JAX

WR Chad Johnson, CIN

WR Javon Walker, DEN

WR Deion Branch NE

WR Ernest Wilford, JAX

TE Alge Crumpler, ATL

first, let me just say how much i like the alge crumpler and trent green picks, lol. seriously, alge was fantastic value where you got him. im actually not a huge trent green fan and think hes old and brittle, and think you needed to get a better backup there. im not a fan of the RB situation at all. jordan is fine, but bush was a reach and then you missed deuce and waited too long for what i consider very weak depth. the WRs could be a strength if walker and branch are as good as you hope, but they will need to be a huge strength to carry this team. i realize you didnt get to make a few of the picks, so its hard to control a lot, but just not a team i like much. like the WRs and TE, but not the QB and RBs at all.

Clash of the Titans

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

RB Ron Dayne, DEN

RB Laurence Maroney, NE

WR Steve Smith, CAR

WR Roy Williams, DET

WR Eddie Kennison, KC

TE Ben Watson, NE

i hate to say it, but the ron dayne pick really screwed you i think. you ended up getting a pretty crappy 3rd RB imo and were just as well with only maroney... plus it cost you a shot at a great TE or a better 3rd WR. your top two WRs are injury guys, and you are going to rely a lot on the youth potential of ronnie and roy to bust through and carry the team. jamal lewis was a decent value pick, but i just dont like him this year and i think you needed to get mike anderson. overall i just think this team doesnt really have any strengths. your RBs dont make me comfortable, and neither do the WRs... and the TE has great upside but is one of the worst starters in the league, for now. im honestly not even sure what went wrong on this team. i think its probably just that your first four picks, while they were decent value by draft standards, are just all guys im not totally sold on this year.

Remote Controller

QB Tom Brady. NE

RB Cadillac Williams, TB

RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

RB Warrick Dunn, ATL

RB Mike Anderson, BAL

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Joey Galloway, TB

WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ

WR Isaac Bruce, STL

TE Chris Cooley, WAS

i like the strategy you took with this team and the picks you made in most spots. im not really a fan of brian westbrook, and i wouldve loved to have seen a stud WR there instead. i think dunn wouldve been fine as a #2 RB, and you could have taken a backup RB instead of galloway. i think you wouldnt have lost much at your starting RB spot, and wouldve improved mightily at that WR spot. i like how you took brady and didnt take a backup yet -- with someone comfortable like him, youre better off adding RB/WR spots and taking a backup late. great TE value with cooley, and nice picks with dunn, driver, and coles. overall i like this team a good deal. a lot of good safe picks, but not a ton of upside to put it over the top, and i think having that stud WR couldve done that.

V4E

QB Marc Bulger, STL

QB Byron Leftwich, JAX

RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

RB Domanick Davis, HOU

RB Corey Dillon, NWE

RB Chris Brown, TEN

WR Reggie Wayne, IND

WR Andre Johnson, HOU

WR Michael Clayton, TB

TE Randy McMichael, MIA

i was loving your team roster until i got to the WRs. wayne is a decent enough #1, but having dre and clayton is pretty scary, based on last season. honestly though, on your team, its a good risk. you have a stacked RB corps and could be able to trade one of them after a few weeks if it looks like your WRs are hurting. you got very fortunate to see mcmichael fall so far, as he shouldve been one of your picks two rounds ago, and that really rounded out the roster well. right now, just a good solid all around team. i'd like to see something more at WR, some decent consistent backups perhaps. but if clayton or johnson performs like we expected last year, your team will be very good, and if they both do, then you'll be the one to beat. probably my favorite all around team. other than, you know, mine. ;-)

Miller_Time

QB Eli Manning, NYG

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

i loved the corner picks to start your draft off. owens was the right call over the other RBs avialable, and you know i like mcgahee a lot. i also thought droughns was a nice value and rounded out your WRs well. i dont like plaxico burress at all and wish that was driver or santana moss. you also know i dont like cedric benson, but i know youre totally sold and that was a good spot for him. i liked the eli pick, and like that you have waited on a backup because hes a pretty safe option that you'll start most weeks. good late round WR picks too with some nice upside. bottom line, if you had landed mcmichael one pick earlier and taken a WR like driver or moss over burress, you'd probably be my favorite team. interesting that two of my favorites were the 11 and 12 teams, and speaks especially highly of how well the two of you drafted.

:huh:

Fumbleweed · June 22, 2006

Fumbleweed
QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

QB Daunte Culpepper, MIA

RB Larry Johnson, KC

RB Julius Jones, DAL

RB Deuce McAllister, NO

RB Marion Barber III, Dal.

WR Rod Smith, DEN

WR Jerry Porter, Oak.

TE Antonio Gates, SD

i liked the value each time you picked, other than rod smith who was a round or two early. you picked right next to me and snatched out guys i was considering quite often. johnson is the right #1 pick imo, and gates was the right pick too. i dont like julius jones, but that was good value for him there and a needed cuff in marion barber. the one thing i quite disagree with is what you did with WRs. i totally respect the whole wait-and-see approach, but youve taken it to the extreme and left me very uncomfortable with that team. i have to wonder what if you had taken a 3rd WR instead of mcnabb, or especially instead of deuce. your WRs would be much more pleasant, and the rest of your team would all still be very solid. i think you just took the WRs thing too far personally.

Your criticism is fair and you and I are never going to agree on fantasy football strategy because I don't think like you and you don't think like me. I go hard by projections and when I picked at 4.12 and 5.01, my receivers of value were all gone. I'm just not going to take a WR two or three rounds earlier than a guy that I project will have ten less points in a season that I can get 2-3 rounds later. My team is not "balanced" per se, but when I project the points they will score even with the weak spots, I am very comfortable with it. I'm much happier with this draft than I was in the June Mock, but picking #1 instead of #12 has something to do with that.

What is Rod Smith's ADP? I didn't think he was "too early". He went earlier than that in the June Mock. Why do you perceive that his value is lower than that? Just curious.

Thanks for your feedback. :huh:

FantasyKing · June 22, 2006

I understand your statement about my team - however obviously the Addai/Rhodes situation will clear up before any real drafts take place, I'm not going to touch either one of them if they say it is a RBBC. But I'm pretty sure I have the starter, they have no faith in Rhodes - I'm not going to waste a pick 2 rounds later on a RB from the same team.

Bledsoe

Shaun Alexander

Addai if he starts

Anquan Boldin

Chris Chambers

Mush Muhammad

Tony G

Plus I've added some trade bait as depth, I'll take that lineup - pretty big potential in my opinion. I just think there are too many unknowns at this point in the year.

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

Your criticism is fair and you and I are never going to agree on fantasy football strategy because I don't think like you and you don't think like me. I go hard by projections and when I picked at 4.12 and 5.01, my receivers of value were all gone. I'm just not going to take a WR two or three rounds earlier than a guy that I project will have ten less points in a season that I can get 2-3 rounds later. My team is not "balanced" per se, but when I project the points they will score even with the weak spots, I am very comfortable with it. I'm much happier with this draft than I was in the June Mock, but picking #1 instead of #12 has something to do with that.

What is Rod Smith's ADP? I didn't think he was "too early". He went earlier than that in the June Mock. Why do you perceive that his value is lower than that? Just curious.

Thanks for your feedback.

i actually go pretty hard by projections too and will try to never reach for someone... but ive done the whole wait-forever-on-WRs thing, and esp in a 3 WR league, it is very difficult to pull off when youve waited so very long. i also chose to mostly wait on WRs, waiting until what i considered pretty late for my WR2, WR3, and WR4, but i just cant wait quite as long as you. porter has never even broken 1000 yards, and rod smith is a solid fantasy player who makes a great WR3 and a decent WR2. im just not certain how you are going to dig yourself out of the WR hole. if culpepper goes off and is a stud QB like usual, that answer is easy. ditto with deuce. but otherwise you may have yourself some inconsistent guys fighting injuries, and your team is going to be getting killed at WR without much way around it. much as i like to trade, its never good to put yourself in a position where you absolutely have to trade to put yourself in a position to win games. with the WRs you have, i dont see any way around that right now. and in a normal league, no one is going to want to trade for a QB or a risky RB like deuce for many weeks into the season, at which point it might be too late. thats my feelings about that. wait on WR when the value isnt there? great, i agree, the WRs in the 5th and 6th arent much different from the 7th and 8th. but you just kept waiting as the WRs kept disappearing, and i just dont really understand why you just didnt grab a few eventually.

re rod smith's value: dont know the adp for him, but ive been seeing him go late 7th or 8th in the few other mocks i did. i actually like him but it seemed early. on further evaluation, you had to have a WR, and he was one of the safer bets left. i jsut remember looking for him at 8.10 to see if he was still there and being shocked that he had gone already two rounds previously.

I understand your statement about my team - however obviously the Addai/Rhodes situation will clear up before any real drafts take place, I'm not going to touch either one of them if they say it is a RBBC. But I'm pretty sure I have the starter, they have no faith in Rhodes - I'm not going to waste a pick 2 rounds later on a RB from the same team.

Bledsoe

Shaun Alexander

Addai if he starts

Anquan Boldin

Chris Chambers

Mush Muhammad

Tony G

Plus I've added some trade bait as depth, I'll take that lineup - pretty big potential in my opinion. I just think there are too many unknowns at this point in the year.

FK - if you had gotten harrison/moss instead of boldin, and if i knew addai was the starter in a non-RBBC situation in indy, then i'd have a different opinion of the team. i just think that you missed on the very top tier of WRs by one pick and then are relying on a big question mark. just ask the people who drafted jj arrington or ronnie brown or cedric benson in the 4th round last year how well their team did there. if this draft was a week before the season, and the colts had said addai is the starter, then he woudlve been a steal... but he also wouldve been my pick at 3.3, if not someone else before that. :huh:

Miller_Time_21 · June 22, 2006

Miller_Time
QB Eli Manning, NYG

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

i loved the corner picks to start your draft off. owens was the right call over the other RBs avialable, and you know i like mcgahee a lot. i also thought droughns was a nice value and rounded out your WRs well. i dont like plaxico burress at all and wish that was driver or santana moss. you also know i dont like cedric benson, but i know youre totally sold and that was a good spot for him. i liked the eli pick, and like that you have waited on a backup because hes a pretty safe option that you'll start most weeks. good late round WR picks too with some nice upside. bottom line, if you had landed mcmichael one pick earlier and taken a WR like driver or moss over burress, you'd probably be my favorite team. interesting that two of my favorites were the 11 and 12 teams, and speaks especially highly of how well the two of you drafted.

Thanks for the feedback, I am very suprised how happy I am with this team out of the 12 spot.

As far as Burress, he was my highest rated WR at the time. Him and Driver are pretty close in my mind, and I'm not a S. Moss fan, despite last year, that QB sitaution in Wash scares me this year. With Burress, I liked being able to wrap up the NYG combo with Eli, think that will be a great duo this season.

I agree on McMichael lasting one more pick, but I liek miller this year too as long as Roeth doesn't have any set backs, so I think that drop is minimal.

Overall, satifified with this draft.

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

re: burress. just sticks out in my mind that if you take away the one monster game out of the blue last season, he wouldve had like 1000/5. i just counted and he had 9 games last year with only 30-60 yards, a mediocre game for such a high WR pick. i didnt make the connection before, but i also am a bit scared of having both eli and manning. every now and then you may have a really big week... but eli is young and will still be inconsistent, so you may have just as many weeks where the giants lay a bit of an egg and your team is hurt double. that would scare me a bit.

and re: miller vs mcmichael, yeah youre probably right. miller may have an extra TD or two to offset mcmichael's yardage, but id prefer a guy i expect to get the more consistent points. but they should be close.

-jb- · June 22, 2006

couldn't agree with you more, bomb...as sad as that is. i have been toying with the concept of letting folks go after "the field" of running backs, but it certainly didn't pan out as intended. 35 RBs in the first 6 rounds...sheesh. lesson learned - jetdoc mock like rb.

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

couldn't agree with you more, bomb...as sad as that is. i have been toying with the concept of letting folks go after "the field" of running backs, but it certainly didn't pan out as intended. 35 RBs in the first 6 rounds...sheesh. lesson learned - jetdoc mock like rb.

haha, ive been toying with that lesson too, but this mock is a hard place to try it. :wub:

ShaneFalco · June 22, 2006

Shane Falco
QB Carson Palmer, CIN

QB Drew Brees, NO

RB Steven Jackson, STL

RB Kevin Jones, DET

RB Ahman Green, GB

RB Lendale White, TEN

WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

WR Santana Moss, WAS

WR Reggie Brown, PHI

WR Koren Robinson, MIN

you got a tough draft position. had to pick first from the next tier of RBs, and then toward the end of the leftover RB/WR tier with the next two picks. i am not a fan of the guys you got. they were good values by draft standards, just not guys i like to put up the numbers this year to match where you took them. the santana moss pick in the 4th was a slam dunk, like getting a free upgrade to a 3rd rounder. i like the upside of the other late WR picks as well. didnt like the lendale white pick, as i dont care for him this year and think you wouldve been better served to grab a good TE there. i liked palmer where you took him, but i think you needed to get a sure backup. brees is also coming off injury, and you could really be scrambling this season if those guys dont start at 100%. this is one of those all-upside teams. the problem with those teams is that usually a couple of the guys will hit the upside, but the rest will bust and it wont matter anyways. i wouldve liked to see a couple more solid, consistent guys thrown in there to balance the roster a bit. i will admit though, the upside is fantastic if it hits.

I agree with many of your points Bomb. And to your credit, you are brutally honest. I think I've done pretty well considering I had one of the worst draft positions. But if you don't like my players, then you don't like them. Nothing you can do about that. I think Jackson has a good mix of fantastic upside as well as stability. I don't see him doing worse than last year, a season in which he was ranked in the top 5 RBs the first half before Bulger went down. He's got little competition, talent, and the opportunity. That's what I look for in a number one RB. Fitz is also a guy I expect to stay the same as last season at worst, and that's saying a lot. Jones fell far, and I like him, but I can see why some don't. Moss and Palmer are both steals where I got them. All reports indicate that Palmer will be ready for preseason. He's participating in all OTAs including 11 on 11 drills. I agree with you on the White pick. I don't like it myself. I was planning on grabbing a TE right around there, but each time I thought I could get the one I wanted a round later, and they didn't fall. The only thing I don't like about this team is my back-up QB and TE (yet to be picked). IMO, this team would compete. I appreciate the time you took and any criticism is welcome. :wub:

Fumbleweed · June 22, 2006

but ive done the whole wait-forever-on-WRs thing, and esp in a 3 WR league, it is very difficult to pull off when youve waited so very long. i also chose to mostly wait on WRs, waiting until what i considered pretty late for my WR2, WR3, and WR4, but i just cant wait quite as long as you. porter has never even broken 1000 yards, and rod smith is a solid fantasy player who makes a great WR3 and a decent WR2. im just not certain how you are going to dig yourself out of the WR hole. if culpepper goes off and is a stud QB like usual, that answer is easy. ditto with deuce. but otherwise you may have yourself some inconsistent guys fighting injuries, and your team is going to be getting killed at WR without much way around it. much as i like to trade, its never good to put yourself in a position where you absolutely have to trade to put yourself in a position to win games. with the WRs you have, i dont see any way around that right now. and in a normal league, no one is going to want to trade for a QB or a risky RB like deuce for many weeks into the season, at which point it might be too late. thats my feelings about that. wait on WR when the value isnt there? great, i agree, the WRs in the 5th and 6th arent much different from the 7th and 8th. but you just kept waiting as the WRs kept disappearing, and i just dont really understand why you just didnt grab a few eventually.

One other way of altering your status at a position of course (besides trading) is free agency. Good free agent WRs are always available for several weeks....guys who weren't regarded highly enough to be drafted, but turn out to be real surprises. Can I find a guy in free agency who could become a consistent #3 or even a #2 FF wideout. Yeah, I think that's a realistic possibility.

Since you approved of the Gates selection, you're in essence busting my chops over the picks at 4.12 and 5.01. You're implying I shouldn't have passed on guys like Andre Johnson, Joe Horn, Derrick Mason, and/or Deion Branch. I do like Branch and had I not heard about his discontent with the team....I would have picked him at 5.01 over Deuce. As for Johnson & Horn, I'm just as happy with the four guys I have now as either of them. I don't have them projected highly at all. I do like Derrick Mason, but it felt like I would be really reaching for him there and I decided depth at RB was more important.

I think my method in this case can work and work well. I'm going to have a very deep team and will be able to survive injuries. I don't have any star receivers, but then neither do a number of other teams. I have found my team formations over the past 20 years to be successful most of the time.....but not always of course. I'll stick by my methods.....if you remember, you hated my team last year and they would have been darn good.

Again, the feedback is cool. Just understand that I will be honest in my responses to your honesty. And, remember, there are indeed many ways to skin a cat.

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

i agree that the difference comes down to the 4.12/5.1 selections. with getting culpepper later, the mcnabb pick was really not necessary, and culpepper has been available at 6.12 of every draft if that was the plan. just think your WR corps would be a lot more palatable if you had gotten a WR in there at one of those picks. you cant honestly believe that joe jurevicius will have just as good a shot at a nice year as horn, branch, and mason. and as for adding guys off waivers, this league is 15 rounds with no D or K, so the last 5 rounds are essentially RB/WR flyers. i wouldnt imagine there would be much there. if we were doing this as a no hassle league, i think id like how you built your team a lot because then then you could just pile a bunch of WRs up and hope for the best, and it wouldve probably worked. but when you have a bunch of crapshoot guys and have to play matchups, i just would hate to have to mess with that.

for comparison sake, im looking at my team compared to yours, since we actually took pretty similar draft routes. you have LJ and jones, and i have tomlinson and taylor. thats pretty close to a wash. you have gates and i have shockey -- thats close to a wash for me, but i'll give you the nod there. at QB, you have mcnabb and culpepper. im quite happy with the vick/favre plateau esp with the way the schedules line up and dont see it as much of a dropoff there. the difference lies at WR. my #2 WR evans is a guy you said you wanted and presumably is slightly better than rod smith, and we'll call glenn and porter about even. the difference then is trying to use on of the flyer WRs to match marvin harrison. i just think thats a pretty huge difference.

the extra depth you have is in the form of deuce and culpepper. if they both hit and show no longlasting injury side effects, then you will have an unstoppable team. i just feel like at the #1 position, theres no need to take on that kind of risk, especially twice. if both of them struggle with return to injury, then they basically leave you no depth at all and still on the weaker side at WR.

anyway, just wanted to share those last few things but we'll leave it at that. i really do agree with the idea of waiting on WRs and taking the value thats there, i just dont agree with the value you saw esp in deuce and thought you waited too long at WR. right now you only have one WR on your team whos ever even hit 1000 yards. maybe youre confident you can find a WR after the draft, when about 75 WRs will be off the board, but that would terrify me.

Fumbleweed · June 22, 2006

i agree that the difference comes down to the 4.12/5.1 selections. with getting culpepper later, the mcnabb pick was really not necessary, and culpepper has been available at 6.12 of every draft if that was the plan. just think your WR corps would be a lot more palatable if you had gotten a WR in there at one of those picks. you cant honestly believe that joe jurevicius will have just as good a shot at a nice year as horn, branch, and mason. and as for adding guys off waivers, this league is 15 rounds with no D or K, so the last 5 rounds are essentially RB/WR flyers. i wouldnt imagine there would be much there. if we were doing this as a no hassle league, i think id like how you built your team a lot because then then you could just pile a bunch of WRs up and hope for the best, and it wouldve probably worked. but when you have a bunch of crapshoot guys and have to play matchups, i just would hate to have to mess with that.

for comparison sake, im looking at my team compared to yours, since we actually took pretty similar draft routes. you have LJ and jones, and i have tomlinson and taylor. thats pretty close to a wash. you have gates and i have shockey -- thats close to a wash for me, but i'll give you the nod there. at QB, you have mcnabb and culpepper. im quite happy with the vick/favre plateau esp with the way the schedules line up and dont see it as much of a dropoff there. the difference lies at WR. my #2 WR evans is a guy you said you wanted and presumably is slightly better than rod smith, and we'll call glenn and porter about even. the difference then is trying to use on of the flyer WRs to match marvin harrison. i just think thats a pretty huge difference.

the extra depth you have is in the form of deuce and culpepper. if they both hit and show no longlasting injury side effects, then you will have an unstoppable team. i just feel like at the #1 position, theres no need to take on that kind of risk, especially twice. if both of them struggle with return to injury, then they basically leave you no depth at all and still on the weaker side at WR.

anyway, just wanted to share those last few things but we'll leave it at that. i really do agree with the idea of waiting on WRs and taking the value thats there, i just dont agree with the value you saw esp in deuce and thought you waited too long at WR. right now you only have one WR on your team whos ever even hit 1000 yards. maybe youre confident you can find a WR after the draft, when about 75 WRs will be off the board, but that would terrify me.

So, you think McNabb/Culpepper is basically the same as Vick/Favre? I don't follow you on that one......

Everything else you said makes sense to me. :pointstosky:

remote controller · June 22, 2006

Fumble mentioned quite the similar during the June Mock. To the point of it being a detriment, I am really not a risk taker, prefering to draft safe squads, then, manage them during the season. I like Westy better than Caddy, and damn near grabbed him in round 1 :alsonotreally: ( the abuse I would have taken). I hope Caddy can build on the start he had last season. I just feel that Westbrook, and McNabb will have big seasons this year, as they truly need each other. The TO debacle behind them, they have a severe chip on their shoulders.

Thanks for your time and effort on this.

Miller_Time_21 · June 22, 2006

So, you think McNabb/Culpepper is basically the same as Vick/Favre? I don't follow you on that one......

Everything else you said makes sense to me.

I personally would rather have Vick/Favre then McNuggett/Culpepper this year, but I am extremely down on both of those QB's and I can get the other much cheaper and expect more performance. But I realize I am in the minority on my beliefs there.

Erb047 · June 22, 2006

Erb047
QB Peyton Manning, IND

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

TE Todd Heap, BAL

this team is a victim of having a lot of guys i just dont like as picks much this year. i did think edge was the right pick, and djax and heap were good picks as well. im not a huge fan of taking peyton manning so high. i just dont see him as really separating himself from the 4th-5th round QBs, and i think you couldve done better to take a stud WR there instead. i would rather have holt/brady than manning/housh. i thought you went with both bell and jones too early. im not a fan of those guys -- i see them as guys who will be sick like once a week and will cost your team a lot of wins in between. really though, the manning pick will dictate how this team ends up. if he plays like 2004, you'll hang tough. but if he plays like 05 and doesnt give you a real significant advantage there, you will be hurting.

Good points, and you know what? This is exactly why I wanted in this mock. The thing about my team that I really hate, is my RB's. I absolutely despise the 1.07 spot this year. I'd much rather have a 1.09, or 1.10 where I can grab an RB with that pick, and then pick up someone like Westbrook or McGahee in the early 2nd. The 2.06 is an awkward spot to have for me. I didnt see any RBs worthy of the spot that high. I see what youre saying about Holt/Brady and youre right, I think I should have gone that route perhaps. But again this is why we do this, tinker with different strategies and picks ya know? Agreed about Manning, it all depends on his year, but thats a risk I am willing to take. I like my Heap pick but I think I could have used that for a better RB, such as Benson. Other than the RB's I like the WRs alot.

Good stuff there Da Bomb. :thumbsup:

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

So, you think McNabb/Culpepper is basically the same as Vick/Favre? I don't follow you on that one......

Everything else you said makes sense to me.

i honestly believe that a favre/vick combo of matchups (see commentary in round 9 thread) would give me production equal to any top QB other than like manning or palmer. i may target that combo in real leagues as its a dynamite schedule lineup and i can get it very late and still not lose much at QB.

if culpepper is healthy and you move to playing him as the stud he once was, then its an obvious advantage. but otherwise, mcnabb without TO is going to be good but in my opinion wouldnt gain much if any over the vick/favre matchup combo.

im sure you disagree, but its my strategy to find good late QB plateaus a lot and combine them. two top 10-15 QBs combined can equal one top 5-7 QB if you know what youre doing. its a lot easier imo to plateau two QBs together and play the matchups because they are the easiest to predict. you know to never play vick vs tampa, or favre vs chicago, but you know that other matchups are going to bode well especially for those two guys who are consistently inconsistent -- very poor against tough matchups, and very good against bad Ds.

Fumbleweed · June 22, 2006

i honestly believe that a favre/vick combo of matchups (see commentary in round 9 thread) would give me production equal to any top QB other than like manning or palmer. i may target that combo in real leagues as its a dynamite schedule lineup and i can get it very late and still not lose much at QB.

if culpepper is healthy and you move to playing him as the stud he once was, then its an obvious advantage. but otherwise, mcnabb without TO is going to be good but in my opinion wouldnt gain much if any over the vick/favre matchup combo.

im sure you disagree, but its my strategy to find good late QB plateaus a lot and combine them. two top 10-15 QBs combined can equal one top 5-7 QB if you know what youre doing. its a lot easier imo to plateau two QBs together and play the matchups because they are the easiest to predict. you know to never play vick vs tampa, or favre vs chicago, but you know that other matchups are going to bode well especially for those two guys who are consistently inconsistent -- very poor against tough matchups, and very good against bad Ds.

I very much support having two solid QBs and using them to play the matchups. That's why I drafted two so highly last year.....one was Bulger, I think. Bulger is dynamite against certain teams and at home. Not so dynamite on the road or against stronger pass defenses. To have Bulger and a weak backup or "other" QB leaves you riding that rollercoaster. If somebody also strong is paired with Bulger, however, you can really use the matchups to your advantage.

That's what I would hope to do with McNabb and C-Pepper. I like your theory. It makes sense and I'm glad you broke it down a little more completely. It is something I probably should consider as a strategy of worth.

Da Bomb · June 22, 2006

heres what i had posted earlier, with the scheduling matchups i could use with these two. thats 11 good home matchups in 16 weeks... and its against arizona x2, detroit x3, NO x3, along with once each for the jets, 49ers, vikings. its seriously a pretty tasty schedule, especially in the fantasy playoffs.

1 - vick @ carolina
2 - favre vs NO

3 - vick @ NO / favre @ detroit

4 - vick vs arizona

5 - favre vs st louis

6 - vick vs ny giants

7 - favre @ miami

8 - favre vs arizona

9 - vick @ detroit

10 - vick vs cleveland

11 - favre vs new england

12 - vick vs NO

13 - favre vs ny jets

14 - favre @ SF

15 - favre vs detroit

16 - favre vs minnesota / vick vs carolina

extra bonus that one of favre's games vs chicago is week 17 when it doesnt matter. thats 9 starts by favre and 7 for vick, assuming i award them each one of the toss-up matchups. thats why favre is more valuable to me than someone like porter or another WR i couldve taken here, who wouldve only plaeyd 4-5 times all season. thats actaully a pretty tasty combo right there. look at it once, and tell me im not going to get excellent point production out of my QBs, just as good as having anyone like hasselbeck or eli or bulger. every matchup in there is fingerlicking good except weeks 7 and 11.

remote controller · June 23, 2006

Fumbleweed

QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

QB Daunte Culpepper, MIA

RB Larry Johnson, KC

RB Julius Jones, DAL

RB Deuce McAllister, NO

RB Marion Barber III, Dal.

WR Rod Smith, DEN

WR Jerry Porter, Oak.

WR David Givens, TEN

WR Joe Jurevicius, Cle.

TE Antonio Gates, SD

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A very daunting looking lineup, heavy in TD potential. I love the TD combo, though they would have scared me more two seasons ago, still very formidable. The Rb's are anchored by LJ, and couldn't be in better hands. Now, if JJ can just stay healthy and keep Barber from getting too many chances. Deuce might not get even 500 yards this season, but I do feel he has a chance at 10+ Tds. You covered JJ with Barber, which would have been much more beneficial for the No Hassle concept, but stills covers your 2nd round investment well. A rather cagey group of veteran receivers who have TD potential, but will also prove to be this squads achilles heal. That has been nicely covered with TE production, and Gates will definitly add his share of Td's. This team will score many Td's. Overall I don't see their yardage #'s as being anything but average. I would love to field a team with McNabb, LJ, and Gates, but they will have to do alot of damage to cover up the Wr weakness. Would love to hear your feelings now, drafting from the 1 hole. What was the hardest corner to wait for?

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FantasyKing

QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL

QB Jake Plummer, DEN

RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

RB Joseph Addai, IND

RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

WR Chris Chambers, MIA

WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI

WR Eric Moulds, HOU

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

TE L.J. Smith, PHI

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This team has a rookie weakness at running back, but we all know what can happen to rookie backs. If one of them gets the oppurtunity to explode, this could be a team to reckon with. I love the Qb tandem, and feel they will give you solid production. The only problem might be which to start, and that can be a real dilema. You start one and the other gets off. I would be hard pressed to say i'd start Bledsoe every week, when Plummer can also produce. Great for the "No Hassle League" concept, but much trickier in a real league. None the less, I like them both. I touched on the Rb concerns with my lead in. If one of those two rookies takes off, then you will be just fine. If not, Rb hell will ensue. Foster should give Williams an opening, for he simply can't handle the roar of a whole season. This receiving corp is very solid, and should always hold up there share of the bargain with this team. You basically have two #1 wr's, and what Boldin looses in Td's, he will make up in yardage. I feel Chambers will do both. This is nicely reinforced with two fine TE's. I like what you have tried with this team. You have more balls than me though, waiting on forming your backfield like you did. It is kinda nice knowing that SA will get his.

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Da Bomb

QB Michael Vick, ATL

QB Brett Favre, GB

RB Ladanian Tomlinson, SD

RB Chester Taylor, MIN

RB Curtis Martin, NYJ

RB Mewelde Moore, MIN

WR Marvin Harrison, IND

WR Lee Evans, BUF

WR Terry Glenn, DAL

WR Antonio Bryant, SF

TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

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I'm having one hell of a time analyzing this team. There is so much I like, and hate aboout it. The "hate" is a strong term, and should be rephrased as, taking me out of "my" comfort zone. The one thing I realize about dabomb is that any team of his is very liquid, meaning it could change at any minute. The Qb situation is strong, with two capable starters. He will likely either play the hot hand, or attempt to play matchups, either option will be fine week in week out. When it comes to the other two key positions, I find this team teetering. It is going to depend very heavily on LT, and Marvin to carry the "sure" load, while also depending on some help from the others. I'm not certain that will pan out in both positions. Will Minnesota settle on one back? Are they committed to Chester? Won't Moore still grab 9-10 carries a game? Will C-Mart return to form? If he does, this is the steal of the draft, and Bomb has to be banking on that. Will Evans be exposed like Price was minus Moulds? I feel he is much better than Price, don't get me wrong, but, with the exit of Moulds, will this passing offense find it's groove? I feel you need Evans to carry the #2 Wr load, for Glenn will see his #'s shrink substantially, and I don't think Bryant can be called on for anything more than a #3. Shockey makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, and he will be a very valuable steady contributor. I would love to field a team with LT, Marvin, and Shockey. It's the others that concern me. If you hit big in either position, you'll do great.

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Nan

QB Jake Delhomme, CAR

QB Aaron Brooks, OAK

RB Clinton Portis, WAS

RB Deshaun Foster, CAR

RB Dominic Rhodes, IND

RB Sam Gado, GB

WR Randy Moss, OAK

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

WR Eric Parker, SD

TE Kellen Winslow, CLE

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This teams weakness lies in it's rb's. Portis doesn't give me the same cozy feeling of the big 3, and your 2, 3, and, 4 Rb's scare the hell out of me. That doesn't mean they won't produce, I just don't like the odds of finding a dependable #2 in the lot. The Qb tandem is very servicable, with Jake the clear starter. The wideouts are a very solid mix of stability, with plenty of upside. Will Winslow offer solid TE production? I would like to say there is alot of upside, but that was a violent injury. I can't draft this way, as I need to stay in "my" comfort Zone. That isn't saying my way is right, only that it is the only way I can do it. I am not a risk taker, as my draft will show. This draft takes risks at Rb. If they pan out, then this works very well. Moss, Ward, Mason is a formidable group of wideouts. I don't trust Foster to stay healthy and feel Gado is the key. If he gets the job via injury, you have your #2.

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Danzone

QB Kurt Warner, ARI

QB Steve McNair, BAL

RB Tiki Barber, NYG

RB Willie Parker, PIT

RB Thomas Jones, CHI

RB Fred Taylor, JAX

WR Torry Holt, STL

WR Joe Horn, NO

WR Keenan McCardell, SD

WR Braylon Edwards, CLE

TE Jason Witten, DAL

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This is a very balanced, "safe" team. The kind I tend to draft. Sort of middle of the road looking, but overlooked for their consistency. This squad should be solid every week. You will have to choose between Qb's, though Warner will most likely be your man early. I always point that out for playing matchups can be risky, and it is nice to have a clear starter, unless you are going by our "No Hassle" June Mock rules. I like the backfield, and feel it is a nice combination of depenadable production, and possible upside. Fred Taylor could make this backfield a monster. Holt, Horn, and McCardell offer stability to the position, and Edwards might offer a big boost by mid season. Witten is steady, and a fine TE. I think his Td's will be harder to come by this year however. This again, looks like a team I would draft. In drafts as competitve as this, a balanced team is hard to come by.

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Shane Falco

QB Carson Palmer, CIN

QB Drew Brees, NO

RB Steven Jackson, STL

RB Kevin Jones, DET

RB Ahman Green, GB

RB Lendale White, TEN

WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

WR Santana Moss, WAS

WR Reggie Brown, PHI

WR Koren Robinson, MIN

TE Dallas Clark, IND

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This too, is a well balanced team. Solid in every position, with a backfield packed with potential. I feel you did a great job organizing and attacking this draft. Green might pay big dividends, but even if he doesn't, you are covered, for I feel Jones will give you solid Rb#2 production. I also feel very confident that White will wrestle at least one part of that starting job, right away in Titanville. That being the goaline guy, and short yardage specialist. Hell, I think he'll take over that job. I feel he out scores all rookie backs this year. Bush might dazzle with yardage, but White will score much more. Your Wr's are solid with Fitz and Moss, and Reggie is in the right place to shine with TO gone. He should be a fine #3. Koren is also the #1 Wr on his team, leaving you with 4 #1 wideouts on their respective teams. Great job! Dallas Clark is a servicable if not spectacular prospect at TE. Marvin and Wayne simply do too much. I would like to have this team. Fits my "Comfort Zone" quite well. Almost forgot the Qb's!! Brees should carry you sufficiently until Palmer is back to full strength, then your team just gets tougher.

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Erb047

QB Peyton Manning, IND

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

WR Keyshawn Johnson, CAR

TE Todd Heap, BAL

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What a steal getting Manning that late in the 2nd, and being able to grab Edge in the first!!! I'd of wet all over myself, and I hardly ever consider a Qb this quickly............unless it was Peyton. That's the good news. Your remaining backfield is in shambles unless Bell or Barlow wrestle the starting gigs. If one of them comes through, most likely Bell, then you'll be just fine at Rb. I just don't like your chances at this point. It's the curse of Shanny, the 49er offense, and Perry's fragility that scare me. DJax should be a adequate #1 Wr, as I don't see Burleson a valid threat. Housh is a strong #2, and Matt Jones offers tons of potential and could easily put up additional #2 numbers for you. Key and Curtis give you great depth at Wr.. I like Heap, and have him neck and neck with Cooley, as the #4 and #5 TE. I think you over spent on him though. Hopefully he will return you what you spent. That cost you dearly in the rb dept.. You have shown great patience selecting your backup Qb, and that has paid dividends. It allowed you to amass the depth at Wr and make up some of what you gave away for Heap. Good Job!

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JB

QB Trent Green, KC

RB Lamont Jordan, Oak

RB Reggie Bush, NO

RB Frank Gore, SF

RB Greg Jones, JAX

WR Chad Johnson, CIN

WR Javon Walker, DEN

WR Deion Branch NE

WR Ernest Wilford, JAX

TE Alge Crumpler, ATL

TE Vernon Davis, SF

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Clash of the Titans

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

RB Ron Dayne, DEN

RB Laurence Maroney, NE

WR Steve Smith, CAR

WR Roy Williams, DET

WR Eddie Kennison, KC

TE Ben Watson, NE

TE Ben Troupe, TEN

Remote Controller

QB Tom Brady, NE

QB Philip Rivers, SD

RB Cadillac Williams, TB

RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

RB Warrick Dunn, ATL

RB Mike Anderson, BAL

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Joey Galloway, TB

WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ

WR Isaac Bruce, STL

TE Chris Cooley, WAS

TE Jeremy Stevens, SEA

V4E

QB Marc Bulger, STL

QB Byron Leftwich, JAX

RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

RB Domanick Davis, HOU

RB Corey Dillon, NWE

RB Chris Brown, TEN

RB TJ Duckett, ATL

WR Reggie Wayne, IND

WR Andre Johnson, HOU

WR Michael Clayton, TB

WR Mark Clayton, BAL

TE Randy McMichael, MIA

Miller_Time

QB Eli Manning, NYG

QB David Carr, Hou

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

RB Ryan Moats, Phil

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

Da Bomb · June 23, 2006

couple comments RC.

one, you mention a lot about the no-hassle league. i personally didnt draft like that league at all, and wouldve done the draft much differently if it was that format. june mock was one way, and i was all prepared for this to echo, but i had to plan differently.

two, i can tell from your comments on the first few teams that i draft a team fundamentally differently than you. i try to get very consistent good bets right up top that i feel very comfortable with, and then build the rest of the team around upshot. tomlinson and harrison are as consistent and safe as they come at WR, and that was the point of martin/shockey/favre as well, to stabilize the team. otherwise the rest of the picks are meant to litter the team with upside. other than my couple core stable picks, i hate just making picks by the book, the stable normal know what you get types. i look a team like danzones and -- no offense meant -- just dont like the team at all because it looks like it was drafted straight out of a fantasy mag, with very little variation on the picks. i know that sounds harsh, but i just like to be a little more creative. if i drafted a team straight through the rankings as i found on the internet, it would look pretty for now, but would fail in the end.

i guess thats just a problem with mock drafts and me. my team is never going to win the "prettiest team" award in a mock, because thats fundamentally the opposite of how i draft. but oh well.

sorry that all sounded like a rant. i understand and mostly agree with what you said about my team. the risk factors with taylor and evans are there, and i disagree with your judgment of them and of glenn and bryant. looks like i just ended up taking guys whose upside i like, and you dont. and i just rambled for 4 paragraphs about pretty much nothing.

good analysis.

:first:

remote controller · June 23, 2006

couple comments RC.

one, you mention a lot about the no-hassle league. i personally didnt draft like that league at all, and wouldve done the draft much differently if it was that format. june mock was one way, and i was all prepared for this to echo, but i had to plan differently.

two, i can tell from your comments on the first few teams that i draft a team fundamentally differently than you. i try to get very consistent good bets right up top that i feel very comfortable with, and then build the rest of the team around upshot. tomlinson and harrison are as consistent and safe as they come at WR, and that was the point of martin/shockey/favre as well, to stabilize the team. otherwise the rest of the picks are meant to litter the team with upside. other than my couple core stable picks, i hate just making picks by the book, the stable normal know what you get types. i look a team like danzones and -- no offense meant -- just dont like the team at all because it looks like it was drafted straight out of a fantasy mag, with very little variation on the picks. i know that sounds harsh, but i just like to be a little more creative. if i drafted a team straight through the rankings as i found on the internet, it would look pretty for now, but would fail in the end.

i guess thats just a problem with mock drafts and me. my team is never going to win the "prettiest team" award in a mock, because thats fundamentally the opposite of how i draft. but oh well.

sorry that all sounded like a rant. i understand and mostly agree with what you said about my team. the risk factors with taylor and evans are there, and i disagree with your judgment of them and of glenn and bryant. looks like i just ended up taking guys whose upside i like, and you dont. and i just rambled for 4 paragraphs about pretty much nothing.

good analysis.

I agree we draft differently. I agree you take more chance than me. I found it striking that both you and Fumble have pointed out my tendancy to draft safely. That is the truth. What I respect about your drafts, are the chances you take, and the feeling you can trade to make anything work. :blink:

FantasyKing · June 23, 2006

Thanks to Bomb and remote - awesome commentaries all around.

I have learned quite a bit from this draft which is all our intent I believe. Luckily both of my leagues are only 10-team leagues so when I do those drafts it will be like swinging a bat after you take the donut off. <_<

This draft was definitely a learning experience, there are so many question marks out there as far as starters and depth charts, I would like to do this all again with the same guys sometime in August. I'd like to see how drastically different it would be. Same draft order, same guys.

Da Bomb · June 23, 2006

Luckily both of my leagues are only 10-team leagues...

<_< :pointstosky: :cry:

NAn · June 23, 2006

Good stuff guys, I'll wait till we're done for full commentary, for now...

Re: My Team

For both RC/Bomb the sticking pt with my team was the Foster pick or more to the pt, not getting Deangleo as the cuff.

To be honest, had this been the real thing, honestly not sure if I would have gone with Deangleo in 6th or did as I did in this draft.

1.If I went with Deangelo the problem with that is I would have spent a 4th and 6th on basically one position. There's alot of talent there to be had to spend it on one spot.

2.I do these mocks as I would a real draft...not just thinking of how it looks 'on paper', but what could I do with this team once season got going. Feel for at least first 4-6 weeks of season I have Panthers/Colts starting rb's. From there I could deal to get the cuff for one or the other, PLUS get something else out of it.

RC's Team

RC, I actually am similiar to Bomb, safe early, upside late.

Also agree in just about every pt of his assessment.

Much like my Oakland A's the past few season though: Solid on paper, during the season will win alot and finish with a good record...just not enough firepower/intangibles/upside when gets to the postseason.

Due respect but I think you're safe, almost to a fault. Translation of safe to a fault: You overvalue RBs a bit, particularly in first couple of rnds.

Again, agree with Bomb, Westbrook a bit of a reach...should have went WR there or went with a WR instead of Dunn.

Looking like this:

Caddy/Dunn, SSmith/Driver/Galloway

or

Caddy/West, Wayne/Driver/Galloway

Personally like the first one better, but IMO either better than your starting line-up now.

Then with a stronger core at WR could have spent picks of Galloway or Coles on the likes of DHall/LWhite/Rhodes/Maroney/Barlow.

As it is I don't like Galloway/Coles as IMO they fit your safe mode to a pt, but actually see them with potential to decrease in production.

Solid team, just don't see much more than a good regular season record as it stands.

In interest of learning, if you haven't already thought of it, if you get this similiar spot in any of your real drafts, I'd try to trade down in 2nd up in 3rd...think you could still get Westy but be able to pair with a Moss/Harrison/Gates/Chambers or Chester Taylor/JJ if you prefer.

Fumbleweed · June 24, 2006

Here's some analysis from me on all the teams but mine:

FantasyKing

QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL

QB Jake Plummer, DEN

RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

RB Joseph Addai, IND

RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

RB Duce Staley, PIT

RB Travis Henry, TEN

WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

WR Chris Chambers, MIA

WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI

WR Eric Moulds, HOU

WR Chad Jackson, NE

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

TE L.J. Smith, PHI

My take: Goodness, this team is loaded......loaded everywhere that is except the #2 RB spot. Traditionally, you can't win in fantasy football with a weak #2 running back and in this case, that is going to be the make or break point for this team, IMO. If one of the two rookies (Addai, Williams) were to pan out, this team would be a monster. FK did a great job picking productive proven wide receivers and quarterbacks to add to the firestorm that is Shaun Alexander. Like I said, if one of the two rookies pans out, this is a top team. If, however, the team never gets off the ground in terms of a complement to Alexander, middle of the pack is possible. There are no perfect teams in a 12-team mock comprised of good drafters....this one is imperfect, but not by much. I like the potential here.

Da Bomb

QB Michael Vick, ATL

QB Brett Favre, GB

RB Ladanian Tomlinson, SD

RB Chester Taylor, MIN

RB Curtis Martin, NYJ

RB Mewelde Moore, MIN

WR Marvin Harrison, IND

WR Lee Evans, BUF

WR Terry Glenn, DAL

WR Antonio Bryant, SF

WR Michael Jenkins, ATL

WR Reggie Williams, JAX

TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

TE Zach Hilton, NO

My take: Pretty solid collection of players here, IMO. Like Bomb, I too think Chester Taylor is going to have a big year, so part of my comfort level with this team stems from our similar assessment of him. I'm not as high on the QBs or the WR depth as Bomb is, but I think he stole Shockey where he got him and it's hard to argue against Tomlinson and Harrison being two of the surest things in FF. I guess the bottom line for me with Bomb's team is that I love the potential starting linuep, but didn't care much for the depth. If injuries hit this team, I wouldn't be comfortable with the reinforcements. If this team stays relatively healthy, they're upper end....lots of talent and stability with the projected starters.

Nan

QB Jake Delhomme, CAR

QB Aaron Brooks, OAK

RB Clinton Portis, WAS

RB Deshaun Foster, CAR

RB Dominic Rhodes, IND

RB Sam Gado, GB

RB Maurice Morris, SEA

RB Mike Bell, DEN

WR Randy Moss, OAK

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

WR Eric Parker, SD

WR Troy Williamson, MIN

TE Kellen Winslow, CLE

My take: Much like FK, NAn used rounds two and three to grab top WRs, so the RBs are a bit suspect aftetr Portis. I like this team, but I'm concerned about the ability of guys like Deshaun Foster and Randy Moss to stay healthy. The WR trio that this team possesses could be fantastic. When I think of the perfect 2 and 3 FF wideouts, Ward and Mason instantly come to mind. You know exactly what you're getting there. I also like Aaron Brooks alot more than most people do....I think his fantasy capabilities are being grossly overlooked. The similarities between FK & NAn's team are eerie......I think FK has the better tight end(s), so I would give him the slight nod, but it's a close call. This could be a top tier team if Foster & Moss pan out.

Danzone

QB Kurt Warner, ARI

QB Steve McNair, BAL

QB Matt Leinart, ARI

RB Tiki Barber, NYG

RB Willie Parker, PIT

RB Thomas Jones, CHI

RB Fred Taylor, JAX

RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG

WR Torry Holt, STL

WR Joe Horn, NO

WR Keenan McCardell, SD

WR Braylon Edwards, CLE

WR Brandon Lloyd, WAS

TE Jason Witten, DAL

My take: I have mixed feelings about this team. Tiki Barber and Torry Holt are two of the most underrated players in FF history, IMO, so getting them back to back was an awesome start for dan. But, then he was left in no man's land in the third round with the talent pool depleted into a large plateau of players with similar value. He then chose Willie Parker, who I am not sure can be a reliable #2 RB. Joe Horn is also a player I don't like as well as most this year. The QBs are risky, too, but certainly Warner has plenty of upside. Again, it's hard to say how I feel about this team. I love dan's start, but some of his mid-rounds didn't get me too excited. The good news for dan is that when you're building on the foundation of Barber and Holt, it only takes one or two other guys to step up to make a team formidable. Thus, if guys who were hurt last year (Taylor, Edwards) bounce back strong, watch out for this team.

Shane Falco

QB Carson Palmer, CIN

QB Drew Brees, NO

QB Jon Kitna, DET

RB Steven Jackson, STL

RB Kevin Jones, DET

RB Ahman Green, GB

RB Lendale White, TEN

WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

WR Santana Moss, WAS

WR Reggie Brown, PHI

WR Koren Robinson, MIN

WR Mike Williams, DET

TE Dallas Clark, IND

TE Alex Smith, TB

My take: I had no idea what to expect from Shane prior to the draft, but I must say this assortment he put together is quite impressive. I love the Palmer pick as it is looking more and more like he's going to be in pretty good shape when the season starts. Some uncertainty is there at the #2 RB spot with Jones, Green, and White all question marks, so this team is average there at best. What I like about this team, though, is the WR corps. Shane was in the perfect draft position (unlike my spot) to really get value at WR and he did each time with Fitz, Moss, and Reggie Brown (who I also really like this year). I found Shane picking the guy I was wanting each time the even numbered rounds were ongoing, which was a sign that at the end, I was really going to like his team. I do like it. Aside from having to trust the enigmatic Kevin Jones at the #2 RB spot, this team looks pretty darn good to me. One of my favorites.

Erb047

QB Peyton Manning, IND

QB Billy Volek, TEN

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

RB Cedric Houston, NYJ

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

WR Keyshawn Johnson, CAR

TE Todd Heap, BAL

TE Mercedes Lewis, JAX

My take: It's funny how we all like different players. One team can look great to one person and the same team looks less than stellar to another. Aside from Manning (who I thought Erb really stole in the 2nd), this team is full of guys I don't particularly like this year. Edge, Tatum, D-Jax (coming off a knee injury and surgery), and Matt Jones (still raw) are not choices I would have made. Despite my view, if you look at where Erb drafted these guys, he got everyone at a place where they had value. So, if you were to do an ADP analysis, this team would actually look really good. So, in this case, my own personal biases are getting in the way of seeing that this is probably a pretty decent team with solid talent at every position. Depth is a bit suspect in some places, but not too bad. Alot of the success of this team rests with that Edge-Bell RB duo. I personally think that's a recipe for disaster, but the upside is certainly present.

JB

QB Trent Green, KC

QB Chris Simms, TB

RB Lamont Jordan, Oak

RB Reggie Bush, NO

RB Frank Gore, SF

RB Greg Jones, JAX

RB Justin Fargas, OAK

WR Chad Johnson, CIN

WR Javon Walker, DEN

WR Deion Branch NE

WR Ernest Wilford, JAX

WR Antwan Randle-El, WAS

TE Alge Crumpler, ATL

TE Vernon Davis, SF

My take: Excellent start to this draft for JB with the selections of Jordan and Johnson. A couple of potential studs to build on there. After that, though, I honestly thought both the Bush and Walker picks were a bit early. Can't fault him for looking at the upside there, but with two great picks out of the gate, I thought that there were probably better choices to be made at those spots. JB lamented throughout the draft just missing on several of his target RBs and it shows as his RB collection as a whole is not very strong outside of Jordan and maybe Bush. Bush and Walker will have to live up to the confidence that JB has placed in them for this team to compete. Is that likely? Who knows...this team has as good a shot as any.....

Clash of the Titans

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

QB Mark Brunell, WAS

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

RB Ron Dayne, DEN

RB Laurence Maroney, NE

RB Michael Pittman, TB

WR Steve Smith, CAR

WR Roy Williams, DET

WR Eddie Kennison, KC

WR Amani Toomer, NYG

TE Ben Watson, NE

TE Ben Troupe, TEN

My take: Nice total package here as Clash worked methodically to ensure that all positions were fused with talent and depth. Aside from the Dayne pick (thought it was early for him), I liked most all of Clash's choices, both who they were and where they were taken. Roy Williams is such an x-factor for this team. They guy has a shot to be a top three FF receiver.....or he could be out of the top 30 or dealing with nagging injuries. If Williams is the former (good), then he and Smith would make for a devastating WR duo with Kennison providing stability at the #3 spot. Then, if Jamal Lewis were to bounce back, you'd have a simply incredible starting lineup and the reliable Hasselbeck and likely to explode this year Ronnie Brown also in the fold. If this team hits on all cylinders, they're one of the best. If not, the worst they can be, IMO, is middle of the pack. Too many positives to be considered anything less than a successful draft for Clash.

Remote Controller

QB Tom Brady, NE

QB Philip Rivers, SD

RB Cadillac Williams, TB

RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

RB Warrick Dunn, ATL

RB Mike Anderson, BAL

RB Ladell Betts, WAS

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Joey Galloway, TB

WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ

WR Isaac Bruce, STL

WR Samie Parker, KC

TE Chris Cooley, WAS

TE Jeremy Stevens, SEA

My take: As is his custom, remote left this draft well covered at the RB spot. While may of the Jetdoc mock drafters have question marks here or there at FF's most scarce position, remote has none. He's got three good RBs ready to do damage. My concern on all three, however, would be how many TDs they score. It is conceivable that the threesome could actually combine for 18 TDs or less, which would mean they would have to have huge yardage years to offset. Much like my team, the WRs here are less than stellar, but they are vets mostly and reliable. Brady is a solid QB at the top. To me, this team has almost no upside, but they also have almost zero bust potential. I love teams that have depth at RB....for some reason, that strategy always seems to work and I think it will work here. This will probably be the most consistent team of all the teams in terms of weekly scoring. It's a solid, reliable squad.

V4E

QB Marc Bulger, STL

QB Byron Leftwich, JAX

RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

RB Domanick Davis, HOU

RB Corey Dillon, NWE

RB Chris Brown, TEN

RB TJ Duckett, ATL

WR Reggie Wayne, IND

WR Andre Johnson, HOU

WR Michael Clayton, TB

WR Mark Clayton, BAL

WR Greg Lewis, PHI

WR Brandon Stokley, IND

TE Randy McMichael, MIA

My take: This team is frighteningly similar to the team I drafted in the June Mock....I think V4E may have done a better job than I did, though, with respect to finding some good mid-round gems. The RB corps is very deep, there is a high upside QB here and a young, talented receiving corps. A little too young perhaps? Yeah, perhaps...this receiving corps would scare me a bit, but definitely no more so than the iffy collection I put together on my team. Like remote's team, this should be a group that is very consistent from week to week and will win often when the matchups are right. I don't, however, see them as an explosive team, per se, so they will need some luck to get head-to-head wins from time to time. Overall, a solid job out the #11 hole.

Miller_Time

QB Eli Manning, NYG

QB David Carr, Hou

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

RB Ryan Moats, Phil

RB Maurice Drew, JAX

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

TE Leonard Pope, ARI

My take: Another case of a team being full of players that I personally wouldn't touch this year: McGahee, Burress, Eli to be specific. If you're a fan of these guys, then you probably see this draft as being pretty solid. I think Miller's strengths are his depth at the RB and WR positions. His WR depth is particularly outstanding and Benson could be a tremendous #2 or #3 back if he gets that job in a fairly conservative offense. When it comes down to it, I actually liked what Miller did in later rounds more than early on. But, I'll give him some praise for not just making the safe picks out of the #12 spot. Sometimes, picking safe as the last person will get you nowhere and Miller did roll the dice with some of these selections. If Manning and Burress can cool their little feud and McGahee can actually find some place to run, this team could surprise. I think Miller will need both of those things to happen, though, to be a serious contender. It can happen.

NAn · June 25, 2006

Fumbleweed

QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

QB Daunte Culpepper, MIA

RB Larry Johnson, KC

RB Julius Jones, DAL

RB Deuce McAllister, NO

RB Marion Barber III, Dal.

RB Michael Turner, SD

WR Rod Smith, DEN

WR Jerry Porter, Oak.

WR David Givens, TEN

WR Joe Jurevicius, Cle.

WR Roddy White, ATL

TE Antonio Gates, SD

TE Jermaine Wiggins, MIN

Not high on JJ this year but pairing with LJ and being sure to get Barber makes for a potentially scary starting rb corp. Not high on Mcnabb, but Duante I see bouncing back (at least as a ff qb, not an nfl one) and obviously has the perennial te. Then we come to the wrs...fumble said he felt he could have had better wrs later, just not sure if we did that. Smith I like but after that a bit shaky for my tastes...felt going after another wr instead of the Deuce/Mcnabb/Duante picks would have made this team better. Overall, for me much depends on JJ/Mcnabb: If he comes thru will make up for the deficiencies at wr to a degree. If not, may have to deal Pep or Mcnabb to shore up that wr corp.

FantasyKing

QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL

QB Jake Plummer, DEN

RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

RB Joseph Addai, IND

RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

RB Duce Staley, PIT

RB Travis Henry, TEN

WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

WR Chris Chambers, MIA

WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI

WR Eric Moulds, HOU

WR Chad Jackson, NE

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

TE L.J. Smith, PHI

I picked on King a bit with the Rhodes/Morris thing, had I let Rhodes go to him would have liked this team better. As it is he may have the Colts/Panthers starters...in the 2nd half of the season, leaving him a void at #2rb till then. I've already shared my thoughts on Drew and don't feel much better about Plummer, so not high on the qbs. Gonzo and the 1-2 punch of Anquan/Chambers I like alot (especially Chambers), not high on Muhsin, but like Moulds alot how late he's going. If this team can find a way to stay at .500 by midseason, then could have something with Deangelo/Addai and be a force in 2nd half/postseason.

Da Bomb

QB Michael Vick, ATL

QB Brett Favre, GB

RB Ladanian Tomlinson, SD

RB Chester Taylor, MIN

RB Curtis Martin, NYJ

RB Mewelde Moore, MIN

WR Marvin Harrison, IND

WR Lee Evans, BUF

WR Terry Glenn, DAL

WR Antonio Bryant, SF

WR Michael Jenkins, ATL

WR Reggie Williams, JAX

TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

TE Zach Hilton, NO

The starting line-up for this team is real solid (not high on Glenn, but he's the #3). It's the bench that scares me. At least at rb and wr...te and qb is solid. But don't like Cumar or Moore (b/c of his situation not his ability) and don't see much from an of the bench wrs. If a key player or two should miss any signficant time, don't like this team's chances to get by. If Favre proves reliable enough and Hilton can step up, could use the strengths at those positions to shore up bench at wr/rb.

Nan

QB Jake Delhomme, CAR

QB Aaron Brooks, OAK

RB Clinton Portis, WAS

RB Deshaun Foster, CAR

RB Dominic Rhodes, IND

RB Sam Gado, GB

RB Maurice Morris, SEA

RB Mike Bell, DEN

WR Randy Moss, OAK

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

WR Eric Parker, SD

WR Troy Williamson, MIN

TE Kellen Winslow, CLE

I've taken the commentary to heart but still not sure if I'd take Deangelo over Rhodes. I spoke about my plan to deal either foster/rhodes early in season, in addition I'd expect brooks/delhomme to do well enough for them as trade bait as well. As it stands feel strong enough with Portis/qbs/wrs to do well and if I can deal or get one of my rbs to come thru be real solid.

Danzone

QB Kurt Warner, ARI

QB Steve McNair, BAL

QB Matt Leinart, ARI

RB Tiki Barber, NYG

RB Willie Parker, PIT

RB Thomas Jones, CHI

RB Fred Taylor, JAX

RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG

WR Torry Holt, STL

WR Joe Horn, NO

WR Keenan McCardell, SD

WR Braylon Edwards, CLE

WR Brandon Lloyd, WAS

TE Jason Witten, DAL

I was right with you with first four picks...with Jones could have went several diff ways but ok with Jones. After that though, you lost me. Not high on Horn or taylor, think you could have waited on Witten and went another way. Also think you waited too long on your b/up qb...Warner I like but, injury concern and to pair him with Mcnair has potential for scary situation at qb. I know personal stuff happened halfway thru so take my eval with a grain of salt and most importantly my best wishes to your wife, her grandmother and your family.

Shane Falco

QB Carson Palmer, CIN

QB Drew Brees, NO

QB Jon Kitna, DET

RB Steven Jackson, STL

RB Kevin Jones, DET

RB Ahman Green, GB

RB Lendale White, TEN

WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

WR Santana Moss, WAS

WR Reggie Brown, PHI

WR Koren Robinson, MIN

WR Mike Williams, DET

TE Dallas Clark, IND

TE Alex Smith, TB

I like alot about this team. Like Sjax this year, the qbs are solid, and like the starting wr corp (not high on Brown but think KRob steps up). If I'd like KJones more I wouldn't have much to pick on. I feel KJ fits that mode of a 2nd/3rd rnd tier rb that people will take just b/c he's the 'next best' at rb and they don't want to be too thin at rb. IMO a mistake with other top tier wrs on board and comparable production from rbs to beh had later. Much will depend on him but this team looks to be competitive to start and if KJones steps up be a very solid team.

Erb047

QB Peyton Manning, IND

QB Billy Volek, TEN

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

RB Cedric Houston, NYJ

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

WR Keyshawn Johnson, CAR

TE Todd Heap, BAL

TE Mercedes Lewis, JAX

What concerns me about this team is after Manning/Edge/Heap, don't see alot of strengths on this team. Yes, some potential breakout guys like Bell/Barlow/MJones/Curtis, but not enough solid/core guys IMO. Thing is looking at who you could have drafted at each spot not sure what you could have done different...just a tough spot to draft. Only thing I could see different is maybe going with Fitz instead of Manning and then going say Brady over TJ or Brooks over MJones...but even that may be a wash. Team would still be competitive but would need alot of those breakout guys to come thru, or to make a deal with Manning for this team to do well long term.

JB

QB Trent Green, KC

QB Chris Simms, TB

RB Lamont Jordan, Oak

RB Reggie Bush, NO

RB Frank Gore, SF

RB Greg Jones, JAX

RB Justin Fargas, OAK

WR Chad Johnson, CIN

WR Javon Walker, DEN

WR Deion Branch NE

WR Ernest Wilford, JAX

WR Antwan Randle-El, WAS

TE Alge Crumpler, ATL

TE Vernon Davis, SF

Like erb after Jordan/CJ/Crumpler, a lot of potential guys but no solid/core guys. With Gore got a 50-50 chance at a decent RB, Bush I see as a #3 only. concerns with Walker/Branch/Green. And with this team, there IS some things I could have seen done differently: Dunn instead of Bush, SMoss instead of Walker, Brady instead of Branch. I know you weren't around as much as you'd like for this (and no prob man, just bad timing) and we made a few picks, just not a big fan of this team...going to need alot of things to go just right for this team to do well long term.

Clash of the Titans

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

QB Mark Brunell, WAS

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

RB Ron Dayne, DEN

RB Laurence Maroney, NE

RB Michael Pittman, TB

WR Steve Smith, CAR

WR Roy Williams, DET

WR Eddie Kennison, KC

WR Amani Toomer, NYG

TE Ben Watson, NE

TE Ben Troupe, TEN

Like the situation with the qbs and he wr's...I'm actually on fence with Williams but think Kennison is solid and everyone is so high on Burress...again. I like Burress, but feel too many are counting out Toomer, Burress had the yardage but they both had 7 tds each. Eli's comp percentage should increase a tad this year so expect 70-75recs for Toomer at closer to his 14.7 career ypc (had a career low 11.4 last year)...do the math and with same tds that's 1029/7...even 900/7 where he's going in drafts is an absolute steal. After the qbs/wrs/RBrown though, don't like the rest of the rbs and te's are servicable. Maroney could come around but will it be soon enough to make up for IMO are the shortcomings of Jlew/Dayne? Much will depend on those two for success of this team.

Remote Controller

QB Tom Brady, NE

QB Philip Rivers, SD

RB Cadillac Williams, TB

RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

RB Warrick Dunn, ATL

RB Mike Anderson, BAL

RB Ladell Betts, WAS

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Joey Galloway, TB

WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ

WR Isaac Bruce, STL

WR Samie Parker, KC

TE Chris Cooley, WAS

TE Jeremy Stevens, SEA

I've copied and pasted previous comments as it sums up my thoughts on this team:

RC, I actually am similiar to Bomb, safe early, upside late.

Also agree in just about every pt of his assessment.

Much like my Oakland A's the past few season though: Solid on paper, during the season will win alot and finish with a good record...just not enough firepower/intangibles/upside when gets to the postseason.

Due respect but I think you're safe, almost to a fault. Translation of safe to a fault: You overvalue RBs a bit, particularly in first couple of rnds.

Again, agree with Bomb, Westbrook a bit of a reach...should have went WR there or went with a WR instead of Dunn.

Looking like this:

Caddy/Dunn, SSmith/Driver/Galloway

or

Caddy/West, Wayne/Driver/Galloway

Personally like the first one better, but IMO either better than your starting line-up now.

Then with a stronger core at WR could have spent picks of Galloway or Coles on the likes of DHall/LWhite/Rhodes/Maroney/Barlow.

As it is I don't like Galloway/Coles as IMO they fit your safe mode to a pt, but actually see them with potential to decrease in production.

Solid team, just don't see much more than a good regular season record as it stands.

V4E

QB Marc Bulger, STL

QB Byron Leftwich, JAX

RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

RB Domanick Davis, HOU

RB Corey Dillon, NWE

RB Chris Brown, TEN

RB TJ Duckett, ATL

WR Reggie Wayne, IND

WR Andre Johnson, HOU

WR Michael Clayton, TB

WR Mark Clayton, BAL

WR Greg Lewis, PHI

WR Brandon Stokley, IND

TE Randy McMichael, MIA

I've voiced my concerns with DD with injury concern, but if one cold get a solid #3 be worth the risk. Think you also played some odds to make it happen. Like the rb situation. Hopefully Bulger can stay healthy so will not need to turn to leftwich except for bye week (lefty growing into solid nfl qb, but don't think he'll ever be a great ff qb). Like the bounce back potential of AJ/Clayton along with Wayne. Mcmichael is solid. Overall, well drafted team V4E.

Miller_Time

QB Eli Manning, NYG

QB David Carr, Hou

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

RB Ryan Moats, Phil

RB Maurice Drew, JAX

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

TE Leonard Pope, ARI

Would have preferred better b/up than Carr, but Eli solid, so qbs solid overall. You could be right about Mcaghee/Benson but not sold yet. Still with Droughns think that group is servicable, if one of those two breaks out, very solid as like Droughns this year. Miller/Pope solid at TE. Like the wr corp alot...I'm coming around with Owens and though not as high as many on Burress, he'll be a solid #2. Don't like Bennett so much but think Stallworth steps in. Again, not as high on the rbs, but with wr corp will still be competitive...if Mcaghee/Benson do come thru, potential for very solid team.

Da Bomb · June 25, 2006

i understand the question about my depth at RB and WR... my only question for you guys is, honestly, who else has better? other than remote (dunn at RB3), i dont see any other team that should really feel super comfortable at RB3, and i dont really see any good startable WR4 types on any rosters either. i realize the WRs on the bench are all-or-nothing guys, but that was on purpose. i dont really give a rip about drafting an 800/4 guy in the 12th round. i can pick up ten of those guys off waivers any game during the season if im desperate. id rather shoot at a couple longshots and hope one of them connects.

regarding the glenn pick, i might have done that differently now as i finally did projections and have glenn a tad lower than i expected. but im looking at who was there now, and the three prime candiates are muhammad, k-rob, and porter. muhammad i have much lower, so hes out. porter and k-rob i have about equal. i wouldnt want to be starting 2 vikings this year, and i dont believe k-rob will be great in fantasy, so my only other real option would have been jerry porter. he and glenn are tied at #25 on my WR list right now. im honestly not sure who i would pick if i did it again. probably i'd pick porter. both should be around 1000 yards, but porter has the TD potential that glenn never has, and he was probably a better pick there.

regarding the cumar pick, i just like him a lot this year and find it hard to believe hes falling so far. hes my #13 RB right now, 1 point behind edge and 1 point ahead of rudi johnson with 201 projected points. i realize that the age factor is a very significant concern, but thats why hes my RB3 and not my RB2. he had more upside there for me than any of the other RBs available, because his only downside is his age. i would figure to start him some the first few weeks while taylor locks down his role, and then just ride CT and LT after that. the only other RBs even in my top 25 that were available there were ahman green and fred taylor. i chose to grab a back who had no chance at superstardom but very little chance at complete flopping since i knew i would need him in the early weeks while chester nails down his role.

anyway, just some explanation on my strategy. if i had to do it all over, i'd either take porter over glenn... or i'd take mason over shockey, and then have taken chris cooley as my TE, only i wasnt sure that cooley would fall so far. i considerd passing on shockey but figured i'd have had to get lj smith then at 7.3, and that was high for him and wouldve offset what mason gained me.

:lol:

Erb047 · June 25, 2006

Fumbleweed

QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

QB Daunte Culpepper, MIA

RB Larry Johnson, KC

RB Julius Jones, DAL

RB Deuce McAllister, NO

RB Marion Barber III, Dal.

RB Michael Turner, SD

WR Rod Smith, DEN

WR Jerry Porter, Oak.

WR David Givens, TEN

WR Joe Jurevicius, Cle.

WR Roddy White, ATL

TE Antonio Gates, SD

TE Jermaine Wiggins, MIN

Like this team overall. I like McNabb again this year, healthy and playing without distractions. Love LJ and good job with the JJ/Barber picks. Deuce might get you 10+ TDs is he's the goalline back, ala Bettis or Davis I think. And if LT2 goes down, Turner is right there for ya...WRs wont shock anyone, but they'll be consistent I think. You may get 1 or 2 TDs a week from them combined...Gates and Wiggins are solid picks. Wiggins was underrated last year, but if this was a PPR league he'd be a great pickup. Overall not a bad team at all.

FantasyKing

QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL

QB Jake Plummer, DEN

RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

RB Joseph Addai, IND

RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

RB Duce Staley, PIT

RB Travis Henry, TEN

WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

WR Chris Chambers, MIA

WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI

WR Eric Moulds, HOU

WR Chad Jackson, NE

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

TE L.J. Smith, PHI

I love the WRs on this team. That will be youre strong point. I have hopes that Duce Staley will be the comeback player of the year too....good steal for you if that happens. The Other RBs have great potential but youre playing the waiting game with them, and thats not a good thing...I like LJ Smith more than TGonz this year. Overall I think the RBs might hurt you unless you get lucky with an injury or Duce comes back strong. QBs are OK....not super high on either but they'll do.

Da Bomb

QB Michael Vick, ATL

QB Brett Favre, GB

RB Ladanian Tomlinson, SD

RB Chester Taylor, MIN

RB Curtis Martin, NYJ

RB Mewelde Moore, MIN

WR Marvin Harrison, IND

WR Lee Evans, BUF

WR Terry Glenn, DAL

WR Antonio Bryant, SF

WR Michael Jenkins, ATL

WR Reggie Williams, JAX

TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

TE Zach Hilton, NO

I love the QBs, love the TEs, like the RBs, but hate the WRs. Thats going to lose you alot of games Bomb. Glenn won't produce with TO there. Bryant might be alright, but I still think Alex Smith is a Bust with a capital B. Jenkins has alot of talent but can Vick actually throw him the ball?

Nan

QB Jake Delhomme, CAR

QB Aaron Brooks, OAK

RB Clinton Portis, WAS

RB Deshaun Foster, CAR

RB Dominic Rhodes, IND

RB Sam Gado, GB

RB Maurice Morris, SEA

RB Mike Bell, DEN

WR Randy Moss, OAK

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

WR Eric Parker, SD

WR Troy Williamson, MIN

TE Kellen Winslow, CLE

Love Delhomme, and great value there IMO. Underrated QB that produces really great #s. I love Portis this year, but the other RBs are questionable. The WRs are solid, but no backup TE? Would you really draft with no second TE? I didnt read the commentary so Im assuming you'll scour the WW and drop one of the RBs that doesnt pan out. Other than that its a solid team but not the best of the draft IMO

Danzone

QB Kurt Warner, ARI

QB Steve McNair, BAL

QB Matt Leinart, ARI

RB Tiki Barber, NYG

RB Willie Parker, PIT

RB Thomas Jones, CHI

RB Fred Taylor, JAX

RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG

WR Torry Holt, STL

WR Joe Horn, NO

WR Keenan McCardell, SD

WR Braylon Edwards, CLE

WR Brandon Lloyd, WAS

TE Jason Witten, DAL

Shane Falco

QB Carson Palmer, CIN

QB Drew Brees, NO

QB Jon Kitna, DET

RB Steven Jackson, STL

RB Kevin Jones, DET

RB Ahman Green, GB

RB Lendale White, TEN

WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

WR Santana Moss, WAS

WR Reggie Brown, PHI

WR Koren Robinson, MIN

WR Mike Williams, DET

TE Dallas Clark, IND

TE Alex Smith, TB

Erb047

QB Peyton Manning, IND

QB Billy Volek, TEN

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

RB Cedric Houston, NYJ

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

WR Keyshawn Johnson, CAR

TE Todd Heap, BAL

TE Mercedes Lewis, JAX

JB

QB Trent Green, KC

QB Chris Simms, TB

RB Lamont Jordan, Oak

RB Reggie Bush, NO

RB Frank Gore, SF

RB Greg Jones, JAX

RB Justin Fargas, OAK

WR Chad Johnson, CIN

WR Javon Walker, DEN

WR Deion Branch NE

WR Ernest Wilford, JAX

WR Antwan Randle-El, WAS

TE Alge Crumpler, ATL

TE Vernon Davis, SF

Clash of the Titans

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

QB Mark Brunell, WAS

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

RB Ron Dayne, DEN

RB Laurence Maroney, NE

RB Michael Pittman, TB

WR Steve Smith, CAR

WR Roy Williams, DET

WR Eddie Kennison, KC

WR Amani Toomer, NYG

TE Ben Watson, NE

TE Ben Troupe, TEN

Remote Controller

QB Tom Brady, NE

QB Philip Rivers, SD

RB Cadillac Williams, TB

RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

RB Warrick Dunn, ATL

RB Mike Anderson, BAL

RB Ladell Betts, WAS

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Joey Galloway, TB

WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ

WR Isaac Bruce, STL

WR Samie Parker, KC

TE Chris Cooley, WAS

TE Jeremy Stevens, SEA

V4E

QB Marc Bulger, STL

QB Byron Leftwich, JAX

RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

RB Domanick Davis, HOU

RB Corey Dillon, NWE

RB Chris Brown, TEN

RB TJ Duckett, ATL

WR Reggie Wayne, IND

WR Andre Johnson, HOU

WR Michael Clayton, TB

WR Mark Clayton, BAL

WR Greg Lewis, PHI

WR Brandon Stokley, IND

TE Randy McMichael, MIA

Miller_Time

QB Eli Manning, NYG

QB David Carr, Hou

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

RB Ryan Moats, Phil

RB Maurice Drew, JAX

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

TE Leonard Pope, ARI

remote controller · June 25, 2006

i understand the question about my depth at RB and WR... my only question for you guys is, honestly, who else has better? other than remote (dunn at RB3), i dont see any other team that should really feel super comfortable at RB3, and i dont really see any good startable WR4 types on any rosters either. i realize the WRs on the bench are all-or-nothing guys, but that was on purpose. i dont really give a rip about drafting an 800/4 guy in the 12th round. i can pick up ten of those guys off waivers any game during the season if im desperate. id rather shoot at a couple longshots and hope one of them connects.

regarding the glenn pick, i might have done that differently now as i finally did projections and have glenn a tad lower than i expected. but im looking at who was there now, and the three prime candiates are muhammad, k-rob, and porter. muhammad i have much lower, so hes out. porter and k-rob i have about equal. i wouldnt want to be starting 2 vikings this year, and i dont believe k-rob will be great in fantasy, so my only other real option would have been jerry porter. he and glenn are tied at #25 on my WR list right now. im honestly not sure who i would pick if i did it again. probably i'd pick porter. both should be around 1000 yards, but porter has the TD potential that glenn never has, and he was probably a better pick there.

regarding the cumar pick, i just like him a lot this year and find it hard to believe hes falling so far. hes my #13 RB right now, 1 point behind edge and 1 point ahead of rudi johnson with 201 projected points. i realize that the age factor is a very significant concern, but thats why hes my RB3 and not my RB2. he had more upside there for me than any of the other RBs available, because his only downside is his age. i would figure to start him some the first few weeks while taylor locks down his role, and then just ride CT and LT after that. the only other RBs even in my top 25 that were available there were ahman green and fred taylor. i chose to grab a back who had no chance at superstardom but very little chance at complete flopping since i knew i would need him in the early weeks while chester nails down his role.

anyway, just some explanation on my strategy. if i had to do it all over, i'd either take porter over glenn... or i'd take mason over shockey, and then have taken chris cooley as my TE, only i wasnt sure that cooley would fall so far. i considerd passing on shockey but figured i'd have had to get lj smith then at 7.3, and that was high for him and wouldve offset what mason gained me.

C-Mart is a real wild card here for you, and as I said above, could prove easily to be the steal of the draft.

ShaneFalco · June 25, 2006

Fumbleweed

QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

QB Daunte Culpepper, MIA

RB Larry Johnson, KC

RB Julius Jones, DAL

RB Deuce McAllister, NO

RB Marion Barber III, Dal.

RB Michael Turner, SD

WR Rod Smith, DEN

WR Jerry Porter, Oak.

WR David Givens, TEN

WR Joe Jurevicius, Cle.

WR Roddy White, ATL

TE Antonio Gates, SD

TE Jermaine Wiggins, MIN

There is a lot that I like about this team. I think Fumble and I like a lot of similar players this year. McNabb is healthy and I think is a lock for top 5 QB. Even though T.O. is gone, I like Reggie Brown to develop into a nice target (I'm targeting him in my drafts), along with Westy and LJ. Daunte could turn into a steal where you drafted him. He may not be healthy all season, but that fact allowed you to draft him as your backup. I would argue that Fumble has one of the best if not the best RB corps. Locking up Barber was a great move. Duece is underrated because of Bush, and should get a good number of TDs. The WRs are mediocre at best, but I like the strategy here, just not the guys you took. I'm also don't really think Gates is going to repeat his production this year, and I think he's going a little early. But that's just me. I would have taken a WR there instead and grabbed a TE late. Overall, one of my favorite drafts. If one of the WRs breaks through and produces consistenly, this is a championship-caliber team.

FantasyKing

QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL

QB Jake Plummer, DEN

RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

RB Joseph Addai, IND

RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

RB Duce Staley, PIT

RB Travis Henry, TEN

WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

WR Chris Chambers, MIA

WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI

WR Eric Moulds, HOU

WR Chad Jackson, NE

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

TE L.J. Smith, PHI

Any team anchored by Alexander is going to look tough. But your RB2 is a question mark, and getting production from that spot is going to be the major weakness of this team. I'm not sure if Addai is going to break through this year, I don't know if he can get the complicated offense and blocking schemes down. Foster will need to get injured this year for DeAngelo to produce consistently. Staley is a nice sleeper and I like that pick a lot. But I love the WRs on this team. I think Boldin deserves his ADP. IMO, he's going to be a force this year. He reminds me of T.O. every time i see a Cardinals game. I also like Chambers to break out huge this year. And, you'll get solid production from the #3 WR with Moose and Moulds. QBs are solid, Bledsoe should improve on last year, which is saying a lot. I don't really like taking TEs that high, and I don't like Gonzalez this year, so to me that was a bad pick. But everyone has different priorities. Solid team, the starters should produce nicely.

Da Bomb

QB Michael Vick, ATL

QB Brett Favre, GB

RB Ladanian Tomlinson, SD

RB Chester Taylor, MIN

RB Curtis Martin, NYJ

RB Mewelde Moore, MIN

WR Marvin Harrison, IND

WR Lee Evans, BUF

WR Terry Glenn, DAL

WR Antonio Bryant, SF

WR Michael Jenkins, ATL

WR Reggie Williams, JAX

TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

TE Zach Hilton, NO

Bomb's team is a victim of not having a lot of players that I like this year. Vick is inconsistent, and picking the right games to start him is going to be difficult. Favre should be solid as usual, but needs to keep the INTs down this year. I don't see Green Bay doing much better than last year, so they will be throwing often. The combination of the two matches potential in Vick with reliability in Favre. I like the strategy, and QB production will be solid. Tomlinson was the obvious pick and will produce. I'm not as high on Taylor as most are, but backing him up with Moore was a smart move. Minnesota will look to run this year and it could prove to be a great pick. I'm just not high on him. I have mixed feeling on Cumar. I just read that the Jets will use all of their backs this year, and Martin is another year older. Blaylock was great in KC and Houston has shown promise. Then again, I think you got good value. He's only a year removed from a monster year. Who knows how it will play out this year, so I can't really criticize the pick at this point. Something about your WR corps just screams "blah" to me. Marvin is solid and steady. Should produce nicely. I like Evans this year, but the QB situation worries me a bit. Not high on Glenn, Bryant, or Jenkins really, but if one breaks out you'll be ok. I loved the Shockey pick though. I was hoping he would slip to me but he didn't. Bomb's team is one of the hardest to break down for me because the picks aren't flashy, but he picked the kind of guys that quietly produce. We'll see how the season goes...

Nan

QB Jake Delhomme, CAR

QB Aaron Brooks, OAK

RB Clinton Portis, WAS

RB Deshaun Foster, CAR

RB Dominic Rhodes, IND

RB Sam Gado, GB

RB Maurice Morris, SEA

RB Mike Bell, DEN

WR Randy Moss, OAK

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

WR Eric Parker, SD

WR Troy Williamson, MIN

TE Kellen Winslow, CLE

A lot of my favorite players are on this team. Delhomme is finally getting some recognition as a solid fantasy starter. I like him a lot this year. I like that you paired Brooks with Moss. I think Moss will bounce back nicely this year into his elite status again. Brooks can fling the ball, hooked up nicely with Horn while in NO, and I think is underrated. I like Portis this year a lot. Al Saunders will improve the offense even more this year. While most people feel the opposite, I like Foster this year. I think he finally shakes the injury bug and keeps DeAngelo on the bench. I think you're set with Rhodes/Foster as your number 2 this season. Also really liked the Ward, Mason, Parker, and Winslow picks. All guys I like this year. Ward almost always has a top 15 season, and Mason should get a lot of receptions this year with McNair in town. I read Waldman's 3rd year WR theory and I think the Parker pick makes a lot of sense. I like the way you draft, NAn. Play-off bound team in my book.

Danzone

QB Kurt Warner, ARI

QB Steve McNair, BAL

QB Matt Leinart, ARI

RB Tiki Barber, NYG

RB Willie Parker, PIT

RB Thomas Jones, CHI

RB Fred Taylor, JAX

RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG

WR Torry Holt, STL

WR Joe Horn, NO

WR Keenan McCardell, SD

WR Braylon Edwards, CLE

WR Brandon Lloyd, WAS

TE Jason Witten, DAL

This team is similar to Bomb's in that there are a lot of players that I don't personally care for. Tiki worries me, as he is getting up there in age and hasn't had a multitude of great seasons like other backs have. The QB situation would worry me. Relying on Warner/McNair all season is going to cost you. I realize Warner is a popular pick to have a nice season, but its still risky. I don't like Parker that much this year because I think he won't enough TDs to warrant a selection that high. Thomas Jones was a good risk pick, but Benson may be mixed in more often this year as well. Taylor may end up being a steal, but he could bust as well. I just don't see a lot of potential here. Holt is great and Horn should produce as well. I say this is a middle of the pack team. Just doesn't excite me too much. I realize family issues came up, so take this with a grain of salt as well. My thoughts are with your family...

Erb047

QB Peyton Manning, IND

QB Billy Volek, TEN

RB Edgerrin James ARI

RB Tatum Bell, DEN

RB Kevan Barlow, SF

RB Chris Perry, CIN

RB Cedric Houston, NYJ

WR Darrell Jackson, SEA

WR TJ Houshmanzadeh, CIN

WR Matt Jones, JAX

WR Kevin Curtis, STL

WR Keyshawn Johnson, CAR

TE Todd Heap, BAL

TE Mercedes Lewis, JAX

Here some picks I liked, others I didn't. I passed on Edge, and I don't think he's going to do nearly as well as he has in Indy. Don't fault you for taking him there though. I also wouldn't have taken Manning so high, as the dropoff for QBs isn't as severe, and because other positions on the team suffer so much. Your RB2 will be a questionmark all season. I just don't get the feeling Shanny trusts Bells with the job. I'm not drafting him this year. I think Gore takes the job in SF as well, but I realize there wasn't much of a selection in the round where you took Barlow, so I don't fault you for that either. You didn't reach for him. I like the WR corps. D-Jax should be back from injury. You took TJ right under my nose :banana: and I like Matt Jones as well. Some say you might have reached for him but I was targeting him for the next round. Heap should be great. I really like him this year. Pretty decent overall, but not a serious threat to make a championship run IMO.

JB

QB Trent Green, KC

QB Chris Simms, TB

RB Lamont Jordan, Oak

RB Reggie Bush, NO

RB Frank Gore, SF

RB Greg Jones, JAX

RB Justin Fargas, OAK

WR Chad Johnson, CIN

WR Javon Walker, DEN

WR Deion Branch NE

WR Ernest Wilford, JAX

WR Antwan Randle-El, WAS

TE Alge Crumpler, ATL

TE Vernon Davis, SF

Clash of the Titans

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

QB Mark Brunell, WAS

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

RB Ron Dayne, DEN

RB Laurence Maroney, NE

RB Michael Pittman, TB

WR Steve Smith, CAR

WR Roy Williams, DET

WR Eddie Kennison, KC

WR Amani Toomer, NYG

TE Ben Watson, NE

TE Ben Troupe, TEN

Remote Controller

QB Tom Brady, NE

QB Philip Rivers, SD

RB Cadillac Williams, TB

RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

RB Warrick Dunn, ATL

RB Mike Anderson, BAL

RB Ladell Betts, WAS

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Joey Galloway, TB

WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ

WR Isaac Bruce, STL

WR Samie Parker, KC

TE Chris Cooley, WAS

TE Jeremy Stevens, SEA

V4E

QB Marc Bulger, STL

QB Byron Leftwich, JAX

RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

RB Domanick Davis, HOU

RB Corey Dillon, NWE

RB Chris Brown, TEN

RB TJ Duckett, ATL

WR Reggie Wayne, IND

WR Andre Johnson, HOU

WR Michael Clayton, TB

WR Mark Clayton, BAL

WR Greg Lewis, PHI

WR Brandon Stokley, IND

TE Randy McMichael, MIA

Miller_Time

QB Eli Manning, NYG

QB David Carr, Hou

RB Willis McGahee, BUF

RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

RB Cedric Benson, CHI

RB Ryan Moats, Phil

RB Maurice Drew, JAX

WR Terrell Owens, Dal

WR Plaxico Burress, NYG

WR Drew Bennett, TEN

WR Donte' Stallworth, NO

WR Nate Burleson, SEA

TE Heath Miller, PIT

TE Leonard Pope, ARI

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