I don't understand why people like PPR

[t.j 35]

Seems to be almost a standard scoring rule now. But I don't see a good reason to give a point per reception.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

I personally don't like it, but since we started it and we have been using the website for a while now... we don't want to change it because we ahve records and stuff kept.

[xenophobe 1]

I'm not a fan of it. Honestly don't get the appeal either.

[t.j 35]

Yay, I caught a pass for no yards! Gimme a point!

[Broncobiv 0]

I love PPR. It turns those #2 and #3 WR's into something valuable, instead of having to wait around for their once every 3 games TD, just so you actually get some points out of them. It turns those semi-worthless 4 catch, 55 yard days, from 5 points into 9 points. Plus it rewards WR's (or RB's) who may not get the TD's, but get a lot of catches. Then you're not scrambling to HAVE TO get one of the top 6 WR's just to get some production out of that spot.

 

And PPR kept LT even with SA as he was scoring all those TD's last season.

 

EDIT: And also, in it's simplest form, PPR is just another way to make the FF day more exciting when you're watching your players. Another thing to get you points. It's fun to hope that pass is going to your WR, and not one of the others. It makes a swing pass to your RB fun. Every pass cought, one point. It's fun to see, and that's the whole point of FF anyway!

[VaTerp 0]

Personally, I like points in general. And rec are a legitimate football stat so why not.

 

My league is very high performance scoring. We have things like:

 

PPR

6 pts all TD's

.25 per rush att.

 

It increases the value of the WR, TE, and Rb's who are threats out of the backfield. More players are legitimate threats to put up points and that makes a FF league more competitive in my view.

 

Even w/ our scoring system Rb's are still King, by far.

 

For me, it just makes playing FF a lot more competitive and a lot more fun.

 

The first league I ever played in is not PPR and does 1/20 yds rush, rec. instead of the 1/10 we use. I think this past season will be my last in that league. Just not fun anymore.

 

Its not enjoyable to see a guy rush for over 100 yds or a Wr have 5 or 6 cacthes for 100 yds only to be outscored by some fluke RB who had 3 or 4 carries for 10 yards and a TD.

 

IMO, PPR leagues more accuratley relate real football performance to fantasy stats/value.

 

A better question would be, why dont you like it?

[mozzy84 0]

just another way to watch your guys score points on sundays, I have no problem with it. I am still in one league that uses the real standard scoring which most everyone started out with and it almost seems boring now.

[t.j 35]

I love PPR. It turns those #2 and #3 WR's into something valuable, instead of having to wait around for their once every 3 games TD, just so you actually get some points out of them. It turns those semi-worthless 4 catch, 55 yard days, from 5 points into 9 points. Plus it rewards WR's (or RB's) who may not get the TD's, but get a lot of catches. Then you're not scrambling to HAVE TO get one of the top 6 WR's just to get some production out of that spot.

 

And PPR kept LT even with SA as he was scoring all those TD's last season.

 

I can see the consistency angle I guess.

I don't think catching a pass is worth getting a point for, though. 1 catch for 55 yards is just as good as 4 for 55, IMO. I guess I don't see rewarding WRs who catch lots of passes but not TDs as a good thing. The top 6 didn't separate themselves from the pack in terms of scoring so I don't agree that you have to get a stud WR if it's not PPR.

[tecklc2112 7]

just another way to watch your guys score points on sundays, I have no problem with it. I am still in one league that uses the real standard scoring which most everyone started out with and it almost seems boring now.

I'll second that, I have used ppr for a while after starting out using standard scoring and it is so much better. The old standard scoring is so boring in comparison. ppr adds a big element of strategy to who you draft and who you start

 

Yay, I caught a pass for no yards! Gimme a point!

 

that rarely happens...is that your only argument against?

[t.j 35]

Personally, I like points in general. And rec are a legitimate football stat so why not.

 

My league is very high performance scoring. We have things like:

 

PPR

6 pts all TD's

.25 per rush att.

 

Well fine, if you want to give stats for a lot more stuff than standard, sure it's a legit stat. But I don't see why so many leagues give a point per reception but nothing for rush attempts or pass completions or anything like that.

 

It increases the value of the WR, TE, and Rb's who are threats out of the backfield. More players are legitimate threats to put up points and that makes a FF league more competitive in my view.

 

Can you elaborate on this? In PPR the top players get a lot more points too so I'm not sure how PPR makes more players valuable. (Value is relative.) And I'm not sure how it makes FF more competitive.

 

Its not enjoyable to see a guy rush for over 100 yds or a Wr have 5 or 6 cacthes for 100 yds only to be outscored by some fluke RB who had 3 or 4 carries for 10 yards and a TD.

 

I agree but I don't see PPR as the solution. IMO you should reduce the value of TDs and increase the value of yards to solve this problem.

 

IMO, PPR leagues more accuratley relate real football performance to fantasy stats/value.

 

A better question would be, why dont you like it?

 

I don't like it because I don't think a catch is in and of itself worth anything. A lot of catches for some number of yards is no better than one catch for the same number of yards, IMO. I don't think scoring the catches makes FF more accurate in terms of judging the real football performance. JMHO.

[VaTerp 0]

I can see the consistency angle I guess.

I don't think catching a pass is worth getting a point for, though. 1 catch for 55 yards is just as good as 4 for 55, IMO. I guess I don't see rewarding WRs who catch lots of passes but not TDs as a good thing. The top 6 didn't separate themselves from the pack in terms of scoring so I don't agree that you have to get a stud WR if it's not PPR.

 

Four rec. for 55 yards could be more valuable than 1 for 55 if those 4 rec. kept drives alive and kept your defense rested and the clock moving.

 

IMO people who dont like PPR are wed to the idea of TD's being the end all ad be all of FF stats. TD's are and will always be important in FF. But there are many other ways to help your football team in real life and in fantasy.

 

Td's value can be distorted as well. When some oversized Rb comes off the bench and has 3 carries for 2 yds and 2 TD's, then thats a great FF game and he outscores a WR who could have had 7 rec. for 100 yds.

[t.j 35]

that rarely happens...is that your only argument against?

 

Of course not.

 

just another way to watch your guys score points on sundays, I have no problem with it. I am still in one league that uses the real standard scoring which most everyone started out with and it almost seems boring now.

 

Interesting. So getting the receiving yards just isn't exciting enough for you?

 

Four rec. for 55 yards could be more valuable than 1 for 55 if those 4 rec. kept drives alive and kept your defense rested and the clock moving.

 

It could be, but it might not be. Maybe you're getting 15 yards on a team that can't string first downs together. Maybe your team really needs that one big play. You get 55 yards on one catch and your team is in scoring position for sure. Truthfully, not all yards are equal, so you might say the same argument could be applied to scoring yards at all. But my point is that I don't buy that more catches is in general better than fewer catches for the same yardage.

 

IMO people who dont like PPR are wed to the idea of TD's being the end all ad be all of FF stats. TD's are and will always be important in FF. But there are many other ways to help your football team in real life and in fantasy.

 

That's not the case with me. I think TDs are overvalued, and I think RBs are overvalued. PPR is supposedly used to decrease the value of both TDs and RBs but IMO it is the wrong way to go about doing that.

[VaTerp 0]

That's not the case with me. I think TDs are overvalued, and I think RBs are overvalued. PPR is supposedly used to decrease the value of both TDs and RBs but IMO it is the wrong way to go about doing that.

 

So then, what do you suggest?

[smashmouths@blf 33]

To me a point per reception is like giving a point to a running back for a carry. I don't like it, but I know lots of leagues that do.

[t.j 35]

So then, what do you suggest?

 

Reducing the value of TDs: Give fewer points per TDs. (Like you basically said, a lot more goes into the TD than the act of crossing the goal line.) And/or make giveaways hurt more (i.e. -2 or -3 for INT or FUM instead of -1 or 0). And/or increase the value of yardage.

 

Reducing the value of RBs: Start fewer RBs and/or start more WRs or QBs. Not many more RBs contribute anything than QBs in the NFL, yet most leagues start 2-3x more RBs than QBs, which is why RBs are overvalued compared to QBs (imbalanced supply and demand). There are at least twice as many WRs who contribute as RBs in the league, yet most leagues have 1.0 or 1.5x as many WRs as RBs (again, imbalanced supply and demand).

[NCNickNasty 0]

i din't know if I have seen anyone use the scoring system our league uses.

 

10pts wr rec

5pts rb rec

.5 pt throwing yards

1 pt per rushing yard

60 points per touchdown rec

40 points per throwing td

60 points rushing td

-25 for fumble lost

-15 for int's

 

 

I don't think there is any way I could play in a league where you get one point or something for as wr over 50 yards. The more points the better in my opinion, it makes it more exciting.

[chadavan 0]

We do it to reduce the value on RB's....

 

 

We get 1 pt for each WR/TE recepetion and .5 for a rec by a RB ....

[famousb 11]

personally, i like PPR for some reason unbeknownst to me. I just like it. Maybe because it's just another dimension of the game to consider, or maybe because it adds value to the guys that are the performers on their team and not just the guy that happens to come in and make one catch the whole game. I like to see more parity between the actual game and fantasy. If i were building an NFL team, I'd want possession WRs that are going to go over the middle and catch the ball...

But i also think PPR leagues should DEDUCT a point for dropped passes... If you get points for catching the ball you should definitely have points deducted from you for letting it bounce off your hands of stone...

[nobody 2,910]

I was thinking about adding somehting like .25 points per reception in a league I run. The only reason is to stabilize the scoring a little bit. The guys with LJ, SA, and LT are in a position to steamroll the rest of the league, so I figure the rest of the league needs the tools to compensate for that.

[Parkers99 0]

We award 1/2 point per reception.

 

Players that are more involved receive more points. It helps reduce the element of chance. Receptions are fairly consistent & it adds an interesting element in our draft. If some numb nuts walks in w/ magazine rankings, he's particularly screwed... which I like.

[chadavan 0]

But i also think PPR leagues should DEDUCT a point for dropped passes... If you get points for catching the ball you should definitely have points deducted from you for letting it bounce off your hands of stone...

 

Dropped passes are not an official stat....it's a good concept that'll never happen.

[famousb 11]

Dropped passes are not an official stat....it's a good concept that'll never happen.

 

i know it's unfortunately not an official stat - the NFL doesn't like to officially record too many negative things...

But you can find the stat any given sunday, and it would just be a matter of the league agreeing on the source for the stat and then applying it in. more "manual" work, but that's the way this whole FF thing started years ago...

[mozzy84 0]

Interesting. So getting the receiving yards just isn't exciting enough for you?

 

pretty much, if your reciever doesn't get a td its pretty much an average game no matter what. If he has 6-8 catches and 80 yards he is helping his real life team more than if he just caught on 80 yard pass once imo.

 

Personally I really like 1/2 point for receivers and tight ends and nothing for the running backs, it really seems to balance things out.

[VaTerp 0]

Reducing the value of TDs: Give fewer points per TDs. (Like you basically said, a lot more goes into the TD than the act of crossing the goal line.) And/or make giveaways hurt more (i.e. -2 or -3 for INT or FUM instead of -1 or 0). And/or increase the value of yardage.

 

Reducing the value of RBs: Start fewer RBs and/or start more WRs or QBs. Not many more RBs contribute anything than QBs in the NFL, yet most leagues start 2-3x more RBs than QBs, which is why RBs are overvalued compared to QBs (imbalanced supply and demand). There are at least twice as many WRs who contribute as RBs in the league, yet most leagues have 1.0 or 1.5x as many WRs as RBs (again, imbalanced supply and demand).

 

None of these sound appealing to me.

 

I like more points not less, so I dont like reducing the TD idea.

 

I also am not a fan of starting more than 1 Qb. Personal preference.

 

The only suggestion I can think of if you dont like PPR and still think Rb's are overvalued is one that my original leauge used when it was still fun.

 

We awarded points based on avg yards per rush, rec, and comp. % for Qb's.

 

For example rush avg of 4.0 to 4.5 was worth 1 pt. 4.5-5.0 2 pts or something like that. Same way w/ rec yds. avg.

 

But when we switched over to online scoring we couldnt find a site that factored avg.s in and didnt use it.

 

I gave up wondering why people like certain rules last year when I argued on here about how I didnt understand the 4pt for QB TD rule.

 

To me its just personal preference. Just like some people like Mexican food, some Italian, etc.

[t.j 35]

None of these sound appealing to me.

 

I like more points not less, so I dont like reducing the TD idea.

 

I also am not a fan of starting more than 1 Qb. Personal preference.

 

Really? Giving more points for yards, or starting more WRs, doesn't sound appealing to you either?

 

I guess it really is a personal preference thing. I can see why people would want to make WRs more consistent or RBs worth less, I guess it's just personal preference as to which method of doing so is more fun.

 

The only suggestion I can think of if you dont like PPR and still think Rb's are overvalued is one that my original leauge used when it was still fun.

 

We awarded points based on avg yards per rush, rec, and comp. % for Qb's.

 

For example rush avg of 4.0 to 4.5 was worth 1 pt. 4.5-5.0 2 pts or something like that. Same way w/ rec yds. avg.

 

But when we switched over to online scoring we couldnt find a site that factored avg.s in and didnt use it.

 

I don't really see how that helps RBs to not be overvalued.

That said, I do like the concept. When I first played FF I started a league where yards per attempt and yards per carry were both included.

[tecklc2112 7]

To me a point per reception is like giving a point to a running back for a carry. I don't like it, but I know lots of leagues that do.

 

That's hilarious...it sure takes a lot of skill to take a handoff

Catching an NFL pass under pressure is nothing like taking a handoff...give me a break. That's the worst argument I've heard

[t.j 35]

That's hilarious...it sure takes a lot of skill to take a handoff

Catching an NFL pass under pressure is nothing like taking a handoff...give me a break. That's the worst argument I've heard

 

The fact that it takes skill to catch a pass doesn't justify giving points for it. FF points are supposed to mirror the value of the player's contribution to his NFL team, not gauge his skill.

[proninja 0]

Fantasy football isn't realistic to start with, and fantasy value and NFL value aren't the same thing anyway. If it were, Hines Ward would get points for the nasty blocks he throws. I mean - a guy makes a leaping one handed grab to get a 30 yard completion and gets downed at the one, and the fullback who blows it in on his third try gets twice as many points. It's not real value, and that's ok.

 

It simply adds another variable to a numbers game we play.

[smashmouths@blf 33]

That's hilarious...it sure takes a lot of skill to take a handoff

Catching an NFL pass under pressure is nothing like taking a handoff...give me a break. That's the worst argument I've heard

 

I'm pretty sure I wasn't making an argument. It was just my personal opinion. Catching a swing pass for -2 yards shouldn't constitute a point. Now that's "hilarious"...

[tecklc2112 7]

The fact that it takes skill to catch a pass doesn't justify giving points for it. FF points are supposed to mirror the value of the player's contribution to his NFL team, not gauge his skill.

 

Catching a pass is a contribution to his team...Bottom line is that ppr adds strategy to drafting and picking your lineup and makes everything more fun. I've done standard scoring and it is soooooo BORING compared to ppr. My opinion...

 

I'm pretty sure I wasn't making an argument. It was just my personal opinion. Catching a swing pass for -2 yards shouldn't constitute a point. Now that's "hilarious"...

 

Like I said before that is a rare thing and it is almost always balanced out on a guys next reception for maybe 15-20 yds. I think many anti-ppr people are just set in their standard scoring ways and are afraid of the extra strategy it adds to the fantasy game

[Walter34 3]

The main reasons why I like it is

 

1. It levels out the position values where WRs are on a par with RBs and QBs. This adds more strategy to drafting. Also increases TEs value a bit.

 

From one of my leagues last year:

 

Barber: 325

palmer: 328

S smith: 322

Gates: 253

 

2. It increases the overall player pool where guys that move the chains get some attention just as the guys that punch it in. RBs that play the 3rd down role like Larry Centers did for years also become valuable.

3. More statistical analysis separates the prepared from the novice that much more.

 

 

The fact that it takes skill to catch a pass doesn't justify giving points for it. FF points are supposed to mirror the value of the player's contribution to his NFL team, not gauge his skill.

 

So a Rb gets the bulk of the yards between the 10s and then some fat fock like the Bus punches in a 1 yd TD run. Does FF value things properly there?

[t.j 35]

Catching a pass is a contribution to his team...

 

Not necessarily.

 

Bottom line is that ppr adds strategy to drafting and picking your lineup and makes everything more fun. I've done standard scoring and it is soooooo BORING compared to ppr. My opinion...

 

Ok. I'll buy that. Different strokes for different folks.

 

So a Rb gets the bulk of the yards between the 10s and then some fat fock like the Bus punches in a 1 yd TD run. Does FF value things properly there?

 

Depends. How much are your yards worth and how much are your TDs worth? I've already covered this Walter, I think TDs are worth too much.

[texasmouth 1]

PPR makes the league more of a challenge. I also gives the guy with the 8th 9th, or 10th more of a chance to win.

 

When you are drafting that late, the #1 stud RB are all gone and you are stuck with grabbing two 2nd tier RB. In a PPR, the #1 WR has more value than the #2 RB so you miss out on the stud RB but you get the stud WR which will keep you competitive with the guy who grabbed the stud RB.

[t.j 35]

I also gives the guy with the 8th 9th, or 10th more of a chance to win.

 

That's an interesting point that I hadn't considered. Hmmm.

[murf74 461]

PPR is horrible. I mean nothing like getting 5 catches for 2 yards as a RB and get 5 pts. Might as well give points for the amount of rushes that a RB gets or the amount of passes that a QB throws.

 

PPR

[WhiteWonder 2,963]

i scanned through some of the responses and im sure this was mentioned but ill say it again

 

the best thing about PPR is that it evens the field somewhat. Without PPR, Runningbacks would dominate the top 25 fantasy scorers by the end of the season. With PPR in place, sure pass catching RB will be above all but it evens out the top 25 with a better mix of rb wr and qb

[murf74 461]

i scanned through some of the responses and im sure this was mentioned but ill say it again

 

the best thing about PPR is that it evens the field somewhat. Without PPR, Runningbacks would dominate the top 25 fantasy scorers by the end of the season. With PPR in place, sure pass catching RB will be above all but it evens out the top 25 with a better mix of rb wr and qb

 

PPR just makes a handfull of RB waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too valuable. It skews everything.

[tecklc2112 7]

PPR is horrible. I mean nothing like getting 5 catches for 2 yards as a RB and get 5 pts. Might as well give points for the amount of rushes that a RB gets or the amount of passes that a QB throws.

 

PPR

 

I'd be interested for you to show me a stat line where a RB gets 5 catches for 2 yds. I'm pretty sure you just pulled that argument out of your wazoo...Give me some hard facts if you are going to argue...You kinda sound like John Kerry

[tampa_fan_01 0]

PPR just makes a handfull of RB waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too valuable. It skews everything.

My league is PPR, but only for WR's and TE's to balance out the Running backs. We get 1 point for every 2 receptions. I like it because I personally think it helps WRs who dont have that breakaway threat to becoming viable fantasy starters. Posession WRs really are important to real NFL teams, why shouldnt they be as valuable in real life.

 

And is one 60 yard catch as valuable as 5 catches for 60 yards? If a player is more involved in the real game, shouldnt he be as important in a fantasy game? A running back gets points nearly every time he touches the ball. Shouldn't a WR? Thats why I like PPR, or at least, the version my league runs.

[toofunny 0]

PPR just balances out the top end FF players. And it's nice to be in different leagues with different scoring. Who wants to play in 3 10 man leagues with the same scoring? I'm in a dynasty ppr, keeper non-ppr and redraft (td heavy) non-ppr. I love the variety.

 

With PPR

 

top 30 last year in my league is about

 

3 qbs

14 rbs

13 wrs

 

in non ppr is was

 

5 qbs

16 rbs

9 wrs

 

RBs are already hard to find, and score the most points. Draft position is a huge edge. In PPR, it balances out the draft position a touch. And it weakens QBs, which I like. It also balances out the volatility of TDs. A guy like Mason who gets 80-90 balls, is still decent even if his TDs dip to 5-6.

 

And really, who cares what the scoring is. Get your boys together, get a keg, some beer, pizza, and put some money on the line. Whether its PPR or non-PPR doesn't really matter. It's a competition, among men, for money.

 

Getting your panties in a wad about a scoring tweak generally means you have too much time on your hands, or it's the off-season.