Sleeper RB you have to grab in the third maybe the second.

[waterwolves 0]

Does anybody know who those stats belong too? It was his rookie year too. I am obivously not a expert and if it is a keeper league you will have to draft him #1 so he is not a sleeper there but....... In all the mocks I am doing Reggie Bush is slipping to the third round!!!!! I am sorry but I have never seen a better RB come out of College since Barry Sanders. Those are barry's rookie year stats by the way and I think Bush can get close to that level in combined yards. The Td's won't be as high because of Duece but still 1600 total yards (I think his rec. yards will be close to 500) and 7-10 TD's that is starter material. Just a tidbit: 2002 LT caught 79 passes for 489 yards and who was throwing the ball to him 79 times!!!!!!!! Thats right ladies and gentlemen Mr. Drew Brees who just happens to be the QB for the Saints. And this is a scary thought Bush is better then LT!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts........

[Parkers99 0]

You obviously like him... draft him; I'll pass on him that early.

 

One piece of advice though. Make damn sure you get DMac. When Bush is still holding out in week one, at least you'll have a #2 RB on your roster.

[waterwolves 0]

I agree you have to handcuff him which means using a 4th round pick most likey to get Deuce but I do think we will see some crazy numbers from him. He is even better if it is a points per rec. league.

[Dont_Fook_Wit_me 0]

If your looking for a sleep RB.....go wit FWP.....he did great for me last year and wit the bus out of the pic. i think he will work wonders in Pitt.

[jgcrawfish 232]

If your looking for a sleep RB.....go wit FWP.....he did great for me last year and wit the bus out of the pic. i think he will work wonders in Pitt.

 

Gotta agree here too...FWP is gonna put up the yrds, but it's the TD I worry about. I have a feeling that anything inside the 20 you'll see Verron Haynes and anything inside the 5 you'll see Duce.

[t.j 35]

I think Bush is going to be a great NFL player but only time will tell if he is better than LaDainian. Tomlinson didn't have any competition for playing time as a rookie. Bush can't say the same so don't look for him to have numbers anywhere near LT2's rookie year.

[Dont_Fook_Wit_me 0]

Bush has to sign before anything

[jgcrawfish 232]

And LT2 was absolute horse in college, he was a 1 man team. Bush strikes me as a bit fragile, I just don't see him getting the # of touches that LT2 was able to handle, let along Barry Sanders.

[t.j 35]

Bush strikes me as a bit fragile

 

Why is that? Does he have any history of injury in high school or college?

I expect Bush to have a relatively injury-free NFL career because of his oustanding workout regimen. He's not going to be one of those guys who gets hurt because he isn't in top physical condition.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Why is that? Does he have any history of injury in high school or college?

I expect Bush to have a relatively injury-free NFL career because of his oustanding workout regimen. He's not going to be one of those guys who gets hurt because he isn't in top physical condition.

 

No, but he barely played. Reggie had the advantage of playing on a team w/ pro-level talent across the board, and against teams that didn't for the most part. Look at his stats against other loaded teams and it leads me to believe that he looked good because he played on a tremendous team and now that he's against pro-level talent everyday he's not going to excel and won't be able to take the pounding the NFL will bring. IMO, he's a Brian Westbrook type player, not an LT2 or BSanders type.

[t.j 35]

No, but he barely played. Reggie had the advantage of playing on a team w/ pro-level talent across the board, and against teams that didn't for the most part. Look at his stats against other loaded teams and it leads me to believe that he looked good because he played on a tremendous team and now that he's against pro-level talent everyday he's not going to excel and won't be able to take the pounding the NFL will bring. IMO, he's a Brian Westbrook type player, not an LT2 or BSanders type.

 

Between his carries, receptions, and don't forget his punt returns and kick returns, he had plenty of opportunity to get injured, but didn't. 31 teams in the NFL had better hope his teammates played a huge role in his success in college, because an 8.7 yards per carry average is almost unheard of, and 2890 total yards in his Junior year is phenomenal for a guy who "barely played." You're entitled to your opinion, but you don't seem to have anything but pure speculation to support it, and IMO Westbrook is no better a comparison for Bush than LT2 or Barry is.

[mggoilers 0]

Blasphemy...Best rookie RB ever...Eric Dickerson

 

FWP is going into his 3rd year, so the rookie tag didn't apply to him last year.

[nos23 1]

bush is gonna be a soild player in the nfl, but he will never be able to get 20 carries a game and make it through a full season. And for your info he couldnt hold LTs or barrys jock strap. imo

[waterwolves 0]

If you actually look at what Bush does on the field phiscally there is a level of skill I have never seen. What I mean is take if you could take a video of him and put it next to LT and Barry where they are making similar moves at full speed I think you would see that no one cuts like Bush at full speed. Not LT. Not Barry. No one. Now the durability issues are all speculative because he has gotten hurt. He isn't a big back but I wouldn't say he is small either. And I still go back to the speed of his cuts. No one stops on a dime like that. he is special and barring injury which is always a question for any RB he will be one of the best RB's to ever play.

[themorey 1]

Bush was electrifying in college but only time will tell if that will carry over to the NFL. He is small for a NFL back and hit after hit from 250lb LB's will take their toll. His saving grace is that he is so quick he will have to learn to avoid direct contact and never take a direct hit.

 

Barry Sanders was quick but more importantly he was extremely well balanced with an incredibly strong lower body. He was in a league by himself and Bush does not compare. Nobody will ever compare to Barry Sanders.

[t.j 35]

His saving grace is that he is so quick he will have to learn to avoid direct contact and never take a direct hit.

 

What makes you think he isn't good at that already?

 

Barry Sanders was quick but more importantly he was extremely well balanced with an incredibly strong lower body. He was in a league by himself and Bush does not compare. Nobody will ever compare to Barry Sanders.

 

I have all the respect in the world for Barry, but what makes you sure Reggie doesn't compare in terms of balance? He probably doesn't have Barry's lower body strength, at least not yet, but he's only 21 and will get a lot stronger.

[waterwolves 0]

Bush was electrifying in college but only time will tell if that will carry over to the NFL. He is small for a NFL back and hit after hit from 250lb LB's will take their toll. His saving grace is that he is so quick he will have to learn to avoid direct contact and never take a direct hit.

 

Barry Sanders was quick but more importantly he was extremely well balanced with an incredibly strong lower body. He was in a league by himself and Bush does not compare. Nobody will ever compare to Barry Sanders.

 

I agree he doesn't compare to Barry's carrer cause he hasn't had one yet and he is not the exact same RB Barry was but I totally disagree that no one will ever compare to Barry Sanders and I think Bush has just as good of a shot as anyone to be better.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

All hail Emperor Bush

[nos23 1]

go to http://video.on.nytimes.com and watch high school video of bush. He is sick and from what i see the guy should be a converted wr. He would make a great wr

 

my bad here is the highlightsHigh-School Highlights Show How Reggie Bush Stood Out - New York Times

Films from Helix High School show a future star cutting, jumping and spinning his way to prep fame. ... 27 - Helix High School conveniently stores its old highlight tape of Reggie Bush in the sports medicine center ...nytimes.com/2005/11/29/sports/ncaafootball/30cnd-reggie.html?... - More from this site - Save

[Super Cubs 154]

Why is that? Does he have any history of injury in high school or college?

I expect Bush to have a relatively injury-free NFL career because of his oustanding workout regimen. He's not going to be one of those guys who gets hurt because he isn't in top physical condition.

what about his hammi?

 

Vegas has him at 7 tds for o/u

[t.j 35]

what about his hammi?

 

I'm not familiar with his hamstring issue. Tell me about it.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Im not going to beat this Reggie Bush dream down too hard, but take a careful look at the top 32 RBs in the league, specifically the top 10 or so absolute studs, and tell me how many of those guys have come out of the Pac 10......its a short list and its no coincidence. Reggie Bush will be a mighty bust if youre expecting those types of #.............it wont happen.

[waterwolves 0]

Im not going to beat this Reggie Bush dream down too hard, but take a careful look at the top 32 RBs in the league, specifically the top 10 or so absolute studs, and tell me how many of those guys have come out of the Pac 10......its a short list and its no coincidence. Reggie Bush will be a mighty bust if youre expecting those types of #.............it wont happen.

 

 

That means absolutly nothing to me. There is a first in everything. How many top fifty basketball players came from Gonzaga back in 1981. Exactly does that mean john Stockton was doomed to fail. That comment just makes no sense. How the heck does that matter?

[SoloMatisse 0]

That means absolutly nothing to me. There is a first in everything. How many top fifty basketball players came from Gonzaga back in 1981. Exactly does that mean john Stockton was doomed to fail. That comment just makes no sense. How the heck does that matter?

 

Dude, its the NFL and they play D in the NFL.....that's the point. They dont in the Pac 10. Its no coincidence. How bout the names of some big time LBs our DEs or Tackles coming out of the Pac 10? Comparisons to Barry Sanders are futile. Sanders had tree trunks for legs. Bush has got the legs of a medium sized WR............

[waterwolves 0]

Dude, its the NFL and they play D in the NFL.....that's the point. They dont in the Pac 10. Its no coincidence. How bout the names of some big time LBs our DEs or Tackles coming out of the Pac 10? Comparisons to Barry Sanders are futile. Sanders had tree trunks for legs. Bush has got the legs of a medium sized WR............

 

Sorry bro but that makes no sense to me. Even if the pac ten is horrible it doesn't mean he is not good. I mean hear what you are saying about competion but he destroyed everybody. YPC over 8 that is sick in any league. You know there is a perfect example for you. Anwser me this question. Where did Randy Moss come from? You should be very, very quiet now. No disrespect but that proves your theory wrong.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Sorry bro but that makes no sense to me. Even if the pac ten is horrible it doesn't mean he is not good. I mean hear what you are saying about competion but he destroyed everybody. YPC over 8 that is sick in any league. You know there is a perfect example for you. Anwser me this question. Where did Randy Moss come from? You should be very, very quiet now. No disrespect but that proves your theory wrong.

 

 

Its why we play the games. We all have our opinions, and I respect yours. My theory will be proved either way at the end of this season, and in about 10 years. Im not saying he's not good, just not as good as advertised. Randy Moss is a West Virginia hick who wasnt spoon fed anything. And he's definitely NOT from the Pac 10. Think what you want. But WRONG?.....uh, tighten up!

[Vikings4ever 550]

Not gonna touch him. Let someone else have the nightmarish RBBC that is the Saints.

[waterwolves 0]

Its why we play the games. We all have our opinions, and I respect yours. My theory will be proved either way at the end of this season, and in about 10 years. Im not saying he's not good, just not as good as advertised. Randy Moss is a West Virginia hick who wasnt spoon fed anything. And he's definitely NOT from the Pac 10. Think what you want. But WRONG?.....uh, tighten up!

 

I respect your opinion too and I can tell you know more about college fotball then me but I wasn't saying Moss came from the Pac ten I was saying Moss came from a suspect league with a suspect level of skill and was the best WR in the NFL game for years and still may be. You are trying to say that the reason Bush will be bad is cause he came from the pac ten and I am saying it has been proven many times that when you get a truely special player it doesn't matter. If you said you don't bush is special I would say OK but basing it on who he played in college makes no sense. Where did McNair come from? He was terrible.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I respect your opinion too and I can tell you know more about college fotball then me but I wasn't saying Moss came from the Pac ten I was saying Moss came from a suspect league with a suspect level of skill and was the best WR in the NFL game for years and still may be. You are trying to say that the reason Bush will be bad is cause he came from the pac ten and I am saying it has been proven many times that when you get a truely special player it doesn't matter. If you said you don't bush is special I would say OK but basing it on who he played in college makes no sense. Where did McNair come from? He was terrible.

 

 

Moss is a BIG receiver....in addition to having blazing speed, and the only reason he didnt go to Florida State or Notre Dame was because he was a problem child back in the day. EVERYONE knew what kind of talent he had. Teams passed on him in the draft because they thought hed be a problem. He was drafted in the 20s....not 2nd overall. 2nd overall for a SMALL RB from the weakest defensive conference in the country is supsect, imo, but hey, its only my opinion. Its noone else's but mine. Barry Sanders had 37....THIRTY SEVEN TDs his Jr year before he turned pro....playing against the likes of Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska....not Washington State, Oregon and Arizona. There's no need for a comparison right now. Let the guy do something first.

[waterwolves 0]

I agree we need to wait and see but it is my opinion he is the real deal but you have to admit at least sometimes it doesn't matter who you play in college. There are guys who played in pansy leagues that were great so for you to say he is going to be bad because he played in the pack ten means nothing.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I agree we need to wait and see but it is my opinion he is the real deal but you have to admit at least sometimes it doesn't matter who you play in college. There are guys who played in pansy leagues that were great so for you to say he is going to be bad because he played in the pack ten means nothing.

 

 

Alright...but do me this favor. List me, of the 32 starting RBs in the NFL, those representing the Pac 10. Thats all I ask. Just look at the list....alright here it is........

 

Reuben Droughns

Steven Jackson

Corey Dillon........have at it.

[t.j 35]

Barry Sanders had 37....THIRTY SEVEN TDs his Jr year before he turned pro....playing against the likes of Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska....not Washington State, Oregon and Arizona. There's no need for a comparison right now. Let the guy do something first.

I agree that Barry's last season in the NFL was beyond compare, and there's no need to compare Bush to him.

 

That said, NFL scouts do it all the time, they evaluate players based on what NFL player the prospect reminds them of. Also, Barry didn't play against Texas (which was a Southwest Conference school) in the 1988 season. But Reggie did play against Texas in the 2005 season.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I agree that Barry's last season in the NFL was beyond compare, and there's no need to compare Bush to him.

 

That said, NFL scouts do it all the time, they evaluate players based on what NFL player the prospect reminds them of. Also, Barry didn't play against Texas (which was a Southwest Conference school) in the 1988 season. But Reggie did play against Texas in the 2005 season.

 

 

Good call, TJ...I stand corrected.....

[Montana_god 0]

Im not going to beat this Reggie Bush dream down too hard, but take a careful look at the top 32 RBs in the league, specifically the top 10 or so absolute studs, and tell me how many of those guys have come out of the Pac 10......its a short list and its no coincidence. Reggie Bush will be a mighty bust if youre expecting those types of #.............it wont happen.

 

Faulk was from San Diego State and the great J. Rice was from M. Valley State....school size doesn't tell you the whole story..he will be fun to watch, but hold off on the Barry comparisons just for a bit IMO...

[t.j 35]

Alright...but do me this favor. List me, of the 32 starting RBs in the NFL, those representing the Pac 10. Thats all I ask. Just look at the list....alright here it is........

 

Reuben Droughns

Steven Jackson

Corey Dillon........have at it.

 

DeShaun Foster. 4 starting backs out of 32 schools (1/8) isn't bad for a single major conference. Several starting backs did not come from major conferences (Rhodes, Tomlinson, Westbrook, CTaylor... not counting JJones who didn't have a conference but played a tough schedule for sure).

[SoloMatisse 0]

DeShaun Foster. 4 starting backs out of 32 schools (1/8) isn't bad for a single major conference. Several starting backs did not come from major conferences (Rhodes, Tomlinson, Westbrook, CTaylor... not counting Jones who didn't have a conference but played a tough schedule for sure).

 

 

Deshaun Foster....how could I have forgotten THAT stud? But it just better shows even further how little most of these guys do in the pros. I mean, Jackson has had one decent year but hardly proven. Dillon has had a nice career, but this is it for him. But Foster and Droughns? Where are all the talented backs coming out of the Pac 10? I wont go on about this anymore. I realize its a rather thin arguement, and I may not have much of a leg to stand on, but its just one of those factors that holds weight with each of us individually. What means something to me, doesnt mean squat to others, and vice versa. And thats all good.

[t.j 35]

Deshaun Foster....how could I have forgotten THAT stud? But it just better shows even further how little most of these guys do in the pros. I mean, Jackson has had one decent year but hardly proven. Dillon has had a nice career, but this is it for him. But Foster and Droughns? Where are all the talented backs coming out of the Pac 10?

 

It's hard to produce a lot of great starting backs when The U hogs them all (4 starting backs from just the one school). Look, a lot of it is local talent pool, most kids go to a school near where they're from. Football is not as big a thing in California as it is out east and that is as big a reason as any why you don't think of the Pac 10 when you think of great NFL RBs. Any school would have loved to have Bush but he stayed close to home too. Right now the Pac 10 might not be dominating your fantasy RB charts but USC has had plenty of stud running backs, lest we forget. You could argue that Juice, Marcus Allen, etc played when the landscape of college football was different. But who cares, Bush's success wasn't primarily because of the mediocre level of defense currently being played in the Pac 10.

 

I wont go on about this anymore. I realize its a rather thin arguement, and I may not have much of a leg to stand on,

 

Good.

[biggtyme13 0]

its simple if you were a fan of a team that played USC like Ima UND fan you were scared every time he touched the ball. Vince Young nothing Reggie is scary every time he touches the ball hell make people look silly in the nfl and is a borderline 2/3 pick imho. I like him in the 2 in my league because we get double points for a rb catching a td and i think hell have 5-9 recieving tds. Also Bush is better receiver than anyone the saints have including old ass Joe Horn

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

The most telling thing to me about Bush is the Rose Bowl. Close game against a quality opponent. White (with bad hammy?) played almost the entire second half while Bush did the Gatoraid thing. Carrol has a lot of NFL experience and is not a moron. Yeah, he has big play ability but he is not the 2nd coming of anyone if he is on the bench in the biggest game of his COLLEGE career. I will stay far away until he proves something at the pro level.

[biggtyme13 0]

why would that be a knock on Bush and Not a plus on Lendale white. LenDale is a phyhsical beast and was pounding the ball carroll isnt dumb he stuck to whats working but Bush is still a back that will make u hold your breathe everytime he touches the ball. Lendale is a bruiser and teams are gonna regret taking the high road on him