burdsheet 0 Posted July 10, 2006 What's everyone's opinion on Rudy Johnson? The offense seemed to move better w/ Chris Perry in the game because he's more of a receiving threat than Rudy. If Rudy's going to be sharing touches w/ Perry again this year, I don't think he's worthy of a high 2nd round pick. WHat do you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mggoilers 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Perry will get some touches if he can stay healthy. Rudi will still carry the ball 330+ times. Perry will not hurt Rudi's production, just keep him fresh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted July 10, 2006 - He tore knee cartilage in the 2nd game and played with it all year...and still broke his own club rushing record. - He's down to 218 from 230, so he should break some more long ones. I'd have no problem having him as my #1...although they do have a tough schedule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricanrockers 39 Posted July 10, 2006 I like Rudi but in a PPR league he'll kill you with receptions because he doesn't get thrown to. They'll put in Perry on throwing situations 90% of the time. If you decide to draft Rudi, handcuff him with Perry. For the most part, Rudi will get the carries and all the goal line carries. Perry will get throwing situations and breathers for Rudi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted July 10, 2006 What's everyone's opinion on Rudy Johnson? The offense seemed to move better w/ Chris Perry in the game because he's more of a receiving threat than Rudy. If Rudy's going to be sharing touches w/ Perry again this year, I don't think he's worthy of a high 2nd round pick. WHat do you think? Seemed to move the ball better????? Do you mean,"Opened the offense up a little bit to convert the long third downs" ? Give me a break! Rudi runs between the tackles 30+ times a game. Perry comes in on third and long and they toss him screens and dump off passes. He excelled in the role, but to say Rudi didn't drive this offense is really kind of obsurd. I have been wavering on where I would take him between, pick 6 and 12 in round one, and fully expect him to be gone in round 1 of most drafts not employing ppr.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rebooters 1 Posted July 10, 2006 If you decide to draft Rudi, handcuff him with Perry. why handcuff perry to rudi? because perry will spell him and maybe go for some passes? can you explain because i dont see any reason to grab perry as a handcuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted July 10, 2006 I like Rudi but in a PPR league he'll kill you with receptions because he doesn't get thrown to. They'll put in Perry on throwing situations 90% of the time. If you decide to draft Rudi, handcuff him with Perry. For the most part, Rudi will get the carries and all the goal line carries. Perry will get throwing situations and breathers for Rudi. Perry is a valid handcuff, but there are plenty which are much more important. Rudi owners just need to keep abreast of ADP and spend a late pick on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted July 10, 2006 why handcuff perry to rudi? because perry will spell him and maybe go for some passes? can you explain because i dont see any reason to grab perry as a handcuff. The only way I'd see it happening is if it was a PPR league and you could start 3 RBs. Other than that, nothing more than a late round pick after your roster is set. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted July 10, 2006 I have been wavering on where I would take him between, pick 6 and 12 in round one, and fully expect him to be gone in round 1 of most drafts not employing ppr.. Rudi is a lock for 1300 & 10 - and that's a downgrade from the 1400 & 12 he's put up for the last 2 seasons, which i see no reason why he can not repeat those #s but i like to give a little cushion in my estimates... He's a solid #1 late 1st RB in non-ppr leagues, no question. Perry has no effect on the guy what-so-ever. I'd probably be happy grabbing him at 1.10 in non-ppr situations, maybe even up to 8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted July 10, 2006 Rudi is a lock for 1300 & 10 - and that's a downgrade from the 1400 & 12 he's put up for the last 2 seasons, which i see no reason why he can not repeat those #s but i like to give a little cushion in my estimates...He's a solid #1 late 1st RB in non-ppr leagues, no question. Perry has no effect on the guy what-so-ever. I'd probably be happy grabbing him at 1.10 in non-ppr situations, maybe even up to 8. Down graded due to schedule??? He is healthier than last season, or at least in better shape. He played hurt and still amassed those figure. It was a tough schedule then too. Please explain the down grade, though the #'s still look nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted July 10, 2006 Down graded due to schedule??? He is healthier than last season, or at least in better shape. He played hurt and still amassed those figure. It was a tough schedule then too. Please explain the down grade, though the #'s still look nice. oh, i'm only downgrading him for safety reasons... i'm not projecting 1300/10, i'm saying they are lock #s, meaning there is absolutely no reason to think he'll go below them... that's why i said i don't think there is any reason why he can't repeat the 1400/12 downgrade probably wasn't the best word choice, but it's monday and i didn't feel like thinking of a better one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricanrockers 39 Posted July 10, 2006 why handcuff perry to rudi? because perry will spell him and maybe go for some passes? can you explain because i dont see any reason to grab perry as a handcuff. Why handcuff?..very easy. You always handcuff your RB1 to it's backup. In Rudi's case, it would be wise to do so. If Rudi ever went down due to injuries, I think Perry would end up being better RB just because of his catching abilities. They wouldn't be taken him out on 3rd and long like they do to Rudi. People forget, he was a stud at Michigan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parkers99 0 Posted July 10, 2006 PPR League: Great #2 RB Non PPR League: Decent #1 RB He had one of the toughest rushing schedules last year too... No need to factor that in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rebooters 1 Posted July 10, 2006 Why handcuff?..very easy. You always handcuff your RB1 to it's backup. In Rudi's case, it would be wise to do so. If Rudi ever went down due to injuries, I think Perry would end up being better RB just because of his catching abilities. They wouldn't be taken him out on 3rd and long like they do to Rudi. People forget, he was a stud at Michigan. so your strategy is to always handcuff your RB1 to his backup? nice one. people like you over rate the handcuff way to high. its not a must to waste draft picks on guys who dont provide any depth(not saying perry is one of them). i wouldnt spend a pick on perry unless it was last round or two and he should be picked before then. your theory is that if you draft SA, you take his backup at a handcuff for sure...i might think about it for a half second and then slap myself in the face for even wasting my time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted July 10, 2006 oh, i'm only downgrading him for safety reasons... i'm not projecting 1300/10, i'm saying they are lock #s, meaning there is absolutely no reason to think he'll go below them... that's why i said i don't think there is any reason why he can't repeat the 1400/12downgrade probably wasn't the best word choice, but it's monday and i didn't feel like thinking of a better one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgs316 14 Posted July 10, 2006 so your strategy is to always handcuff your RB1 to his backup? nice one. people like you over rate the handcuff way to high. its not a must to waste draft picks on guys who dont provide any depth(not saying perry is one of them). i wouldnt spend a pick on perry unless it was last round or two and he should be picked before then. your theory is that if you draft SA, you take his backup at a handcuff for sure...i might think about it for a half second and then slap myself in the face for even wasting my time. I think Perry would be an absolute stud if Rudi went down. He's just as big as Rudi and is faster, and can catch. That is why you handcuff him. No one is saying you got to take Travis Minor if you have Ron Brown, that's a wasteful handcuff. Perry is a smart handcuff. He will be gone before the last two rounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belushi 9 Posted July 10, 2006 Perry will certainly steal touches, but no more than last year. Rudi still had a very good year last year even with Perry coming in. I would expect the split of touches to be the same this year, and draft accordingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted July 10, 2006 IMO Perry is a better RB than Rudi. I mean Rudi benifits from Cincy having a incredicble Oline ! Rudi isn't anyhting other than a power back - i mean he is nothing special in regards to talent. He is the starter and with that Line will continue to havce great seasons. Perry IMO is a MUCH better reciever ( which he is already being used ) , a decent power back when needed , and shifty and able to create as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricanrockers 39 Posted July 10, 2006 so your strategy is to always handcuff your RB1 to his backup? nice one. people like you over rate the handcuff way to high. its not a must to waste draft picks on guys who dont provide any depth(not saying perry is one of them). i wouldnt spend a pick on perry unless it was last round or two and he should be picked before then. your theory is that if you draft SA, you take his backup at a handcuff for sure...i might think about it for a half second and then slap myself in the face for even wasting my time. you ever heard of an insurance plan if your #1 RB goes down...common sense. Instead of you trying to find a RB on the waiver wire, you have your #1's back-up starting now. Please....keep slapping and re-think your strategy. Let me give you an example......Priest Holmes drafted in the first round. How many people took his backup and handcuffed him with Holmes. Help me out, I forget that guy's name.....??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted July 10, 2006 IMO Perry is a better RB than Rudi. I mean Rudi benifits from Cincy having a incredicble Oline ! Rudi isn't anyhting other than a power back - i mean he is nothing special in regards to talent. He is the starter and with that Line will continue to havce great seasons. Perry IMO is a MUCH better reciever ( which he is already being used ) , a decent power back when needed , and shifty and able to create as well. No way!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
