Very Impressed with FWP Tonight

[KingofBeer 0]

FWP didn NOT raise his hand. he wanted a shot at that TD, but you could see he was a little tired, so they brought in the fresh guy before Batch bothched it.

 

Just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I saw FWP look to the sideline and raise his hand like he wanted a breather.

[Blue Martini 0]

Prediction: Lot's of carries and lots of yards early in the year, then worn down and injured. Trade him before week 6 and get someone who will see the end zone more and be around for your playoffs. Pitts is trying to teach him to "run hard" between the tackles, a recipe for IR for a guy who has to work to keep his weight above 200. I know, I know, Warrick Dunn a the few other exceptions to the rule, but that is exactly what happened to FWP last year in a PT role. At 20+ carries a game, he won't last long.

 

You will thank me.

 

 

You my have something here - I was sort of thinking about that myself. My league is 1 point per 20 friggin yards, so as nice a night as he had, very little point value without those TD's....might have to shop with anopther 100 yard NO TD performance.

[Dan 59]

Not unless he scores abunch from more than 10 yards out - they are pulling him near the goal line - and picked his a$$ when they said he would get those goal line totes....3rd rounder, probably a few too early without those inside the 5 carries. Fockin' Cowher and that piece of junk V. Haynes!!

 

Do you read? Or just make a decision and ignore facts?

 

Willie Parker was only pulled for a breather. It happened to be at the one. Before that, he ran three times inside the 8, and got them to the one. He also carried on a 4th and 1 earlier in the game.

 

How are you reading the necessity for such pessimism into this?

[Blue Martini 0]

Finally. It only took 28 posts to get to the meat of this. Beautifully said.

 

I will add, as a fan, that my biggest concern with the running game is not Willie - in any fashion. Rather, I would like Patrick Cobbs to get that playbook down quickly. I think the Steelers saw something that they like, and think they can use. Someone's got to spell Parker effectively at some point. Haynes can't.

You prove the same point, though. Regardless of whether or not he called to be taken out or not is moot. The fact is that he was NOT pulled because it was goal line. That's the key. Some people are wary because they see him getting vultured. That's just ludicrous, if last night was the measure for such a thought.

 

 

Call it what you want, but the fact is he was pulled at the goalline and did not have a carry at all inside the 10. Time will tell if there will be a TD vulture, but Cowher has alwyas used a vulture - albeit a stud vulture in Bettis I must say.

[Dan 59]

Call it what you want, but the fact is he was pulled at the goalline and did not have a carry at all inside the 10. Time will tell if there will be a TD vulture, but Cowher has alwyas used a vulture - albeit a stud vulture in Bettis I must say.

 

You're kidding, right? You really didn't watch the game, did you? You completely ignored the runs he was given just before he stepped out of the game at the one.

 

Amazing. People really will see what they want to see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Try going beyond a single play to make your assertions. How about 29 carries? Mean anything?

[bollocks28 0]

Yep. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that FWP will not get goal line carries. He most certainly DID put up his hand and ask to come out because he needed a breather. If there are people who a) did not watch the game simply did not see that or c) had their heads stuffed up their own a$$es who cares... they will see the error of their ways eventually.

[wizbang 10]

Call it what you want, but the fact is he was pulled at the goalline and did not have a carry at all inside the 10.

 

uh, this statement is factually incorrect. How can you expect anyone to engage in a meaningful debate when you, simply put, are so ignorant.

[WhoDat 1]

FWP didn NOT raise his hand. he wanted a shot at that TD, but you could see he was a little tired, so they brought in the fresh guy before Batch bothched it.

 

 

Solo, you would be wrong.. FWP "clearly" raised his hand to come out after a few consecutive runs. FWP was gonna be kept in, but he pulled himself out. Tivo, use it...

[jgcrawfish 232]

As a Steelers homer and detractor of Willie Parker, I'm changing my stance. When got the starting job last year I was skeptical, but this guy is for real. He runs hard, doesn't go down easy, runs well between the tackles and actually appears to be an every down back. His goal line work last is not an indication of what he will do normally, the Miami D was basically daring Batch to beat them, so Batch took what was there. FWP will get some inside the 5 touches this year, and I believe will get some TD out of them. Much as I hate saying I was wrong, the guy looks like a lock for a top 10 back this year.

[Resident A-hole 0]

28 carries for 83 yard, 1 carry for 32 yards. Of course, you can't take away that one carry, it was a great run and indicative of his explosiveness, but I think the 115 yard stat is a little misleading here. I'd rather have a guy who can average 3.5 to 4 yards a carry consistently than one who gets 2 yards here, 3 yards there, and the breaks a long one once a game.

 

Parker isn't an every-down back, and by midseason, it's going to wear him down the way they're using him.

You contradict yourself. An average ypc is just that, an average. FWP averages over 4yd/carry. It does not matter if each run was exactly 4yd or a bunch of 2yd runs mixed with a 50 yarder.

 

Look at any RB with a good YPC, you'll find they will have a fair amount of long runs in there. That is what makes a RB good, the ability to make big gains.

 

A RB who consistently gets only 3yd/carry is a short yardage specialist. FWP is is an every-down back.

[Blue Martini 0]

Do you read? Or just make a decision and ignore facts?

 

Willie Parker was only pulled for a breather. It happened to be at the one. Before that, he ran three times inside the 8, and got them to the one. He also carried on a 4th and 1 earlier in the game.

 

How are you reading the necessity for such pessimism into this?

 

 

Just because he was not (allegedly) going to get pulled from goalline carries, and he did. He had other times for breathers as well, you don't take a breather at the one! He did all the work, give him the ball! I am assuming, I know, we all are, but evidence does not support him getting GL carries so far.

 

 

 

uh, this statement is factually incorrect. How can you expect anyone to engage in a meaningful debate when you, simply put, are so ignorant.

 

Not sure why you think I am ignorant, but he did not get the GL carry (fact) and to get to the one, he ran from the 10 to get to the one...only incorrect possibility was if my recollection is a yard off and it was from the 9 to the one. The point is he was not in at the one and that was VERY disappointing to see since we saw that all last year and it was to change. Maybe it will, but we will have to wait and see.

[GrassyKnollSniper 0]

Correct me if I'm wrong fellas, but I saw FWP raise his hand to come out for a breather when they were on the one yard line before Batch fumbled the ball. I'm fairly positive they would have left him in if he didn't raise his hand...

This is correct. Parker wasn`t pulled for a goalline back by design, he was pulled because he asked to taken out.

[BOLTSRULE 0]

Just because he was not (allegedly) going to get pulled from goalline carries, and he did. He had other times for breathers as well, you don't take a breather at the one! He did all the work, give him the ball! I am assuming, I know, we all are, but evidence does not support him getting GL carries so far.

Not sure why you think I am ignorant, but he did not get the GL carry (fact) and to get to the one, he ran from the 10 to get to the one...only incorrect possibility was if my recollection is a yard off and it was from the 9 to the one. The point is he was not in at the one and that was VERY disappointing to see since we saw that all last year and it was to change. Maybe it will, but we will have to wait and see.

 

"If Chewbacca is a Wookie, How come he lives on Endor? Look at the Monkey."

[Polamalu43 0]

28 carries for 83 yard, 1 carry for 32 yards. Of course, you can't take away that one carry, it was a great run and indicative of his explosiveness, but I think the 115 yard stat is a little misleading here. I'd rather have a guy who can average 3.5 to 4 yards a carry consistently than one who gets 2 yards here, 3 yards there, and the breaks a long one once a game.

 

Parker isn't an every-down back, and by midseason, it's going to wear him down the way they're using him.

 

 

Comments like ths get on my nerves a little. The same can be said about every back in the league. You take an RBs longest run out, and in most cases they'll only be averaging about 3 ypc. That is how it works. In the NFL, I'd be willing to bet 2 or 3 yard gains are the norm being skewed by the occasional long carry. Parker will become an every down back. People seem to forget that this is really only his secend season as a full time starter. Last year to me, looked like he hit the "rookie wall". (yes, I know last year was his 2nd season).

[Dan 59]

Just because he was not (allegedly) going to get pulled from goalline carries, and he did. He had other times for breathers as well, you don't take a breather at the one! He did all the work, give him the ball! I am assuming, I know, we all are, but evidence does not support him getting GL carries so far.

Not sure why you think I am ignorant, but he did not get the GL carry (fact) and to get to the one, he ran from the 10 to get to the one...only incorrect possibility was if my recollection is a yard off and it was from the 9 to the one. The point is he was not in at the one and that was VERY disappointing to see since we saw that all last year and it was to change. Maybe it will, but we will have to wait and see.

 

Actually, he ran from the 7 to the 1. Not trying to bust your chops, but when we start talking about how close to the goal line you think he's going to be pulled normally, we're talking a very small break. He ran for 6 yards to the 7, and then 6 yards to the 1. Then he called for a breather, after his 24th and 25th carries of the night. The NERVE!!!! Unconditioned wannabe!

[wizbang 10]

2nd and 4 at MIA 7 (12:48) W.Parker left guard to MIA 1 for 6 yards (V.Holliday).

 

per ESPN play by play. You are seeing what you want to see rather than what happened.

 

Comments like ths get on my nerves a little. The same can be said about every back in the league. You take an RBs longest run out, and in most cases they'll only be averaging about 3 ypc. That is how it works. In the NFL, I'd be willing to bet 2 or 3 yard gains are the norm being skewed by the occasional long carry. Parker will become an every down back. People seem to forget that this is really only his secend season as a full time starter. Last year to me, looked like he hit the "rookie wall". (yes, I know last year was his 2nd season).

 

Agree. This is right up there with "if you take out his 5 best games against poor defenses, then". They are perfect examples of people abusing statistics to draw misguided conclusions. It is essentially, 'if you only look at his 1 yard carries, Larry Johnson only averages 1 yard per carry'.

[Texansfan 0]

I was very impressed. I just hope they don't kill the guy if they keep running him 29 times per game!

[Blue Martini 0]

Actually, he ran from the 7 to the 1. Not trying to bust your chops, but when we start talking about how close to the goal line you think he's going to be pulled normally, we're talking a very small break. He ran for 6 yards to the 7, and then 6 yards to the 1. Then he called for a breather, after his 24th and 25th carries of the night. The NERVE!!!! Unconditioned wannabe!

 

Yeah, I just checked...9, 7 semantics until it's inside the 5....If he asked, and will actually get GL totes, we'll see since NOBODY got that carry anyhow thanks to butterfingers Batch. If there is ever anywhere to suck it up and not ask for a breather, the one is the place....that just looks bad too, wouldn't Cowher sort of quest why he'd WANT out at the one? Shaun Alexander, the ultimate TD ######, would not come out at the one...EVAH!

[wizbang 10]

progress is being made! Blue Martini's post sequence:

 

Call it what you want, but the fact is he was pulled at the goalline and did not have a carry at all inside the 10.

 

he ran from the 10 to get to the one...only incorrect possibility was if my recollection is a yard off and it was from the 9 to the one. The point is he was not in at the one

 

Yeah, I just checked...9, 7 semantics until it's inside the 5....

 

Seriously, you just need to come clean and admit that you were talking out of your arse.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Shaun Alexander, the ultimate TD ######, would not come out at the one...EVAH!

 

True, but we are talking about Miami here, not San Fran, Arizona, and St. Louis.

[Blue Martini 0]

progress is being made! Blue Martini's post sequence:

 

 

 

 

Seriously, you just need to come clean and admit that you were talking our of your arse.

 

I was rounding ...and I stand by the fact he did not have a GL carry (technically nobody did), but he was not on the field inside the SEVEN, which was standard last year when he was routinely pulled, so the GL talk has not been backed up yet.

[wizbang 10]

I was rounding

 

technically, 7 rounds down to 5. (sorry, I'll stop busting your balls now)

[Reality 2,710]

FWP was the best RB in the game last night..

 

 

On a side note, Batch was the best QB in the game last night..

[Dan 59]

I was rounding ...and I stand by the fact he did not have a GL carry (technically nobody did), but he was not on the field inside the SEVEN, which was standard last year when he was routinely pulled, so the GL talk has not been backed up yet.

 

Which might have merit if they had not left him on the field for a 4th and 1, which you summarily dismiss.

 

You call the difference between 10, then 9 and 7 semantics, and then make the clear distinction between 7 and 5? And that while dismissing the aforementioned fact . . .

 

Um . . . you want to be disgruntled about Willie. Either that, or you're an eternal pessimist.

 

Or both.

[dfin13 0]

But go ahead and discount the "one big play."

I didn't discount his "one big play." I gave him props for it, and said it's indicative of his explosiveness. I just don't think his performance as a whole was all that great.

[The_Mad_Cats 0]

"If Chewbacca is a Wookie, How come he lives on Endor? Look at the Monkey."

 

It does not. make. sense!

[Blue Martini 0]

technically, 7 rounds down to 5. (sorry, I'll stop busting your balls now)

 

I was so furious he left at the one that my head was about to explode and I was blurry-eyed so the yardlines sort of ran together while I watched the replay of the 6 yard run play....

 

technically if it was the 7.5 it would round to 10, but for NFL stat purposes they call it 7 even if it's at the 7.9, so we could both be right???

 

Bottom Line - FWP needs to score TD's!

 

Which might have merit if they had not left him on the field for a 4th and 1, which you summarily dismiss.

 

You call the difference between 10, then 9 and 7 semantics, and then make the clear distinction between 7 and 5? And that while dismissing the aforementioned fact . . .

 

Um . . . you want to be disgruntled about Willie. Either that, or you're an eternal pessimist.

 

Or both.

 

 

That part of the field? You better believe it's a world of difference between 10, 9, 7 and inside the 5 and again at the one! The 4th and 1 was a misdirection pitch and in the middle of the field...GL is different, but yes, that was positive to see.

 

And not disgruntled, just surprised/disappointed he was not in at the one and he was supposedly to get GL totes...fact is even if he were in, he would not with the fumble....PLUS, with all the work he did, he deserved to TD credit...or the shot at it.

[dfin13 0]

per ESPN play by play. You are seeing what you want to see rather than what happened.

Agree. This is right up there with "if you take out his 5 best games against poor defenses, then". They are perfect examples of people abusing statistics to draw misguided conclusions. It is essentially, 'if you only look at his 1 yard carries, Larry Johnson only averages 1 yard per carry'.

Ok, let's look at Parker's carries in the second half, when the Dolphins D began to wear down and he should've had his most consistent gains (might've missed one or two, doing this on the sly at work):

 

2

1

6

1

-3

5

6

6

7

0

8

0

-2

 

Some big runs there, several Ronnie Brown-esque carries too I'm not saying Parker isn't a good back, I just don't see him as being an every-down back. You say I am misusing stats to make him look bad, and I'm just pointing out people are misusing those same stats to make him look like a superstar. He needs someone with similar talent to compliment his skills and to help keep him healthy through a 16-game season.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I was rounding ...and I stand by the fact he did not have a GL carry (technically nobody did), but he was not on the field inside the SEVEN, which was standard last year when he was routinely pulled, so the GL talk has not been backed up yet.

 

Blah blah blah...talking out of my arse...blah blah blah. There's a reason they call it "First and Goal", so technically, any carry where the end result will be a Touchdown and not a Firstdown is a goal line carry, be "First and goal from the 9" or "Third and goal from the 15".

[hardball 0]

Does it matter why FWP was taken out at the goal line? Either way it is BAD news. If he was taken out by the staff that is obviously bad because they seem to be giving the goal line carries to another back.

 

If he came out because he wanted to come out it is WORSE. I have played football on a fairly competive level. There is no way in hell that I ASK for a breather when it is first and goal from the 1 yard line. You gotta want the rock. I don't want that kind of player on my team. PERIOD.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Does it matter why FWP was taken out at the goal line? Either way it is BAD news. If he was taken out by the staff that is obviously bad because they seem to be giving the goal line carries to another back.

 

If he came out because he wanted to come out it is WORSE. I have played football on a fairly competive level. There is no way in hell that I ASK for a breather when it is first and goal from the 1 yard line. You gotta want the rock. I don't want that kind of player on my team. PERIOD.

 

Then you don't know "team". If he knew he wasn't capable at that point, let somebody with a better chance come in and give it a shot. It's one thing to want a "warrior" on your team...it's another to hurt your team if you aren't at your best, particularly after you've carried them on your back the whole night. And he's young and learning, and chances are he won't beg out again.

[Blue Martini 0]

Blah blah blah...talking out of my arse...blah blah blah. There's a reason they call it "First and Goal", so technically, any carry where the end result will be a Touchdown and not a Firstdown is a goal line carry, be "First and goal from the 9" or "Third and goal from the 15".

 

C'mon man, if you consider 3rd and goal from the 15 a "goalline" carry, then you, sir, are clearly talking out of YOUR arse!

 

Goal line is by the goal line, not 1st and goal from the 10, 9, 8. I suppose you can use whatever definition you want, but goalline carries would be those from close to the goalline, say the 1,2 or 3 yard line.

[thebook 1]

FWP looked great last night. Ran hard outside, ran hard inside. He'll be an outstanding RB#2 this year. I was surprised to see just how many touches he got. It's his show now. He should go for something like 1,200 yards and 10 TDs.

[Blue Martini 0]

Does it matter why FWP was taken out at the goal line? Either way it is BAD news. If he was taken out by the staff that is obviously bad because they seem to be giving the goal line carries to another back.

 

If he came out because he wanted to come out it is WORSE. I have played football on a fairly competive level. There is no way in hell that I ASK for a breather when it is first and goal from the 1 yard line. You gotta want the rock. I don't want that kind of player on my team. PERIOD.

 

 

hardball gets it - my point(s) exactly...if Cowher told him he is going to get the GL carries and he ASKS out, how does that look to the coach? You gotta want the rock at the one even if you had one leg ripped off the prior play....

[jgcrawfish 232]

C'mon man, if you consider 3rd and goal from the 15 a "goalline" carry, then you, sir, are clearly talking out of YOUR arse!

 

Goal line is by the goal line, not 1st and goal from the 10, 9, 8. I suppose you can use whatever definition you want, but goalline carries would be those from close to the goalline, say the 1,2 or 3 yard line.

 

oh, then that explains why i keep hearing everybody refer to it as "First and not quite the goalline until they reach the 3 or so". thanks for clearing that up for me.

[HawkLatino 0]

hardball gets it - my point(s) exactly...if Cowher told him he is going to get the GL carries and he ASKS out, how does that look to the coach? You gotta want the rock at the one even if you had one leg ripped off the prior play....

 

Obviously, Blue Martini and Hardball... you're going to see things your way. No matter how much common sense the others on the thread have tried to show you.. you will not be a believer in FWP or the fact that he will get GL carries. I guess for you guys only time will tell, but IMO (barring injury of course) FWP will get a ton of yards and his fair share of GL opportunities throughout the season.

[TIKI-BARBERS-BARBER 0]

FWP didn NOT raise his hand. he wanted a shot at that TD, but you could see he was a little tired, so they brought in the fresh guy before Batch bothched it.

He raised his hand to be takin out I don't know what game you was watching and others on here. Maybe you guys was watching Madden 07 on demo version.

[hardball 0]

Common sense or not SOMEONE lacked confidence in FWP at the goal line last night. Either the coaching staff thought he could not get it done or Willie himself thought he could not get it done and begged out of the carry. Anyone who has been in this situation knows you do not ask to come out. You have to believe in your abilities no matter how tired you are. You suck it up and you punch it in. If the word tired enters your mind in that situation you need a new profession. You show the coaches what you are about win, lose, or draw. You don't place doubt in the coaches mind and you don't open up the door for someone to vulture your carries in the future. You cannot name any prominent back in history that would ask to come off the field in that situation.

[Dan 59]

Common sense or not SOMEONE lacked confidence in FWP at the goal line last night. Either the coaching staff thought he could not get it done or Willie himself thought he could not get it done and begged out of the carry. Anyone who has been in this situation knows you do not ask to come out. You have to believe in your abilities no matter how tired you are. You suck it up and you punch it in. If the word tired enters your mind in that situation you need a new profession. You show the coaches what you are about win, lose, or draw. You don't place doubt in the coaches mind and you don't open up the door for someone to vulture your carries in the future. You cannot name any prominent back in history that would ask to come off the field in that situation.

 

Right. If you're not an arrogant canker, and a me-first player, then certainly you're a pansy.

 

As a FWP owner (and starter this week), I wanted him to stay in to take the carry. As a Steeler fan, I'm glad that his pride doesn't get in the way of the team and his ability to recognize that fresher legs could better take advantage of that golden opportunity.

[Blue Martini 0]

oh, then that explains why i keep hearing everybody refer to it as "First and not quite the goalline until they reach the 3 or so". thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

Dude, Goal line is an actual Line - the shadow of said line, as in just short of it but not over it, is a goal line carry....first and goal is irrelevant. You can have first and goal to go from the 30 - that is not anywhere near the goal line.

 

 

Obviously, Blue Martini and Hardball... you're going to see things your way. No matter how much common sense the others on the thread have tried to show you.. you will not be a believer in FWP or the fact that he will get GL carries. I guess for you guys only time will tell, but IMO (barring injury of course) FWP will get a ton of yards and his fair share of GL opportunities throughout the season.

 

We are saying we question if he is going to get GL carries. He did not last year, and did not last night, so it is illogical to presume he WILL based on this.

 

You are assuming he will get them, and we are saying he did not , simply as a matter of fact, get the 1 yard plunge opportunity last night....so for you to say he WILL get them is only your prediction...he has not in the past and last night was no indication he will. He may or may not....but he didn't and that was somewhat alarming.

 

Common sense or not SOMEONE lacked confidence in FWP at the goal line last night. Either the coaching staff thought he could not get it done or Willie himself thought he could not get it done and begged out of the carry. Anyone who has been in this situation knows you do not ask to come out. You have to believe in your abilities no matter how tired you are. You suck it up and you punch it in. If the word tired enters your mind in that situation you need a new profession. You show the coaches what you are about win, lose, or draw. You don't place doubt in the coaches mind and you don't open up the door for someone to vulture your carries in the future. You cannot name any prominent back in history that would ask to come off the field in that situation.