Saddam - sentenced to death for killing 148

[MDC 7,887]

[GutterBoy 2,900]

You're gonna need some better bait.

[MDC 7,887]

You're gonna need some better bait.

 

3,000 soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians were killed as a result of Bush's policies - is that better than ordering about 150 dead?

[surferskin 31]

you should login as an alias to agree with yourself...you need to give this thread some momentum.

[MDC 7,887]

you should login as an alias to agree with yourself...you need to give this thread some momentum.

 

Which alias?

 

Guess nobody wants to think about my point - too painful.

[surferskin 31]

Which alias?

 

Guess nobody wants to think about my point - too painful.

i miss RWB.

[MDC 7,887]

i miss RWB.

 

Been months since I signed in under that name. It wasn't much of an "alias" since I admit it from the start.

 

Anything other than talking about Bush's crimes vs. Saddam's crimes I guess ...

[Michael Sieger 0]

The interesting part is that he is being hanged for crimes comitted in 1982.

 

1983

[MDC 7,887]

The interesting part is that he is being hanged for crimes comitted in 1982.

 

1983

 

Wow, so he's being hanged for crimes committed when he was allies with Donald Rumsfeld, our former secretary of defense under George W. Bush?

 

Wow.

[jets24 6]

I see black people.

[Uh-huh 0]

Which alias?

 

Guess nobody wants to think about my point - too painful.

 

:crickets:

 

:coyote howl:

 

:lemmings jumping off cliff:

[Team Revell 1]

I can't believe people call Stalin and Hitlers monsters and Truman gets a free pass for killing hundreds of thousands at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[D_House 0]

history is all about perspective.

[MDC 7,887]

I can't believe people call Stalin and Hitlers monsters and Truman gets a free pass for killing hundreds of thousands at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

While I do think that what Truman did was a crime against humanity and a despicable act, it can somewhat be defended by the fact that it was committed in self-defense; that IMO makes it moderately better than Stalin and Hitler's crimes. Those two also killed many more people.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

While I do think that what Truman did was a crime against humanity and a despicable act,

 

Yep, it saved thousands of American lives, so in MDC's world it is despicable.

[DanXIII 8]

It was authorized by Congress

 

Ergo

 

Bush is not responsible.

 

[MDC 7,887]

Yep, it saved thousands of American lives, so in MDC's world it is despicable.

 

It is debateable whether such an extreme measure was necessary to save thousands of American lives.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It is debateable whether such an extreme measure was necessary to save thousands of American lives.

 

Most idiotic post evah!

 

 

 

I guess you think the invasion of Japan would have been done without loss of life on our side.

 

Focking idiot.

[MDC 7,887]

Most idiotic post evah!

 

I guess you think the invasion of Japan would have been done without loss of life on our side.

 

Focking idiot.

 

Ah I didn't really see your point before. Yeah, conventional warfare would've resulted in many US casualties. I'm just saying it was morally questionable to save the lives of thousands of American soldiers by killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians. I wouldn't put it up there with Hitler or Stalin - they both killed millions - but it was in some ways an evil act.

 

At any rate, why are we talking about WWII? It is even less like Iraq than Vietnam.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Ah I didn't really see your point before. Yeah, conventional warfare would've resulted in many US casualties. I'm just saying it was morally questionable to save the lives of thousands of American soldiers by killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians. I wouldn't put it up there with Hitler or Stalin - they both killed millions - but it was in some ways an evil act.

 

At any rate, why are we talking about WWII? It is even less like Iraq than Vietnam.

 

The fact you have no idea what debates went on before ordering the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki tells me you have no credibility when it comes to military decisions. Read a little history, boy.

 

Estimates of U.S. casualties from a Japan invasion was much higher than the estimated 200K from the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

The firebombings of Tokyo, Kobe, and some 60 other Japanese cities prior to the nukes killed many more civilians than the nukes did, but I don't see you whining about that.

 

And fock your "morally questionable" drivel, it was war and we used the available technology to save as many Americans as possible and end it as soon as possible.

[edjr 6,898]

How many people has cancer killed in the last 6 years?

[MDC 7,887]

The fact you have no idea what debates went on before ordering the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki tells me you have no credibility when it comes to military decisions. Read a little history, boy.

 

Estimates of U.S. casualties from a Japan invasion was much higher than the estimated 200K from the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

The firebombings of Tokyo, Kobe, and some 60 other Japanese cities prior to the nukes killed many more civilians than the nukes did, but I don't see you whining about that.

 

And fock your "morally questionable" drivel, it was war and we used the available technology to save as many Americans as possible and end it as soon as possible.

 

Again, why are we talking about WWII, a war that resembles the war in Iraq even less than Vietnam?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Again, why are we talking about WWII, a war that resembles the war in Iraq even less than Vietnam?

 

 

I'm just addressing the fact you think bombing Hiroshima was "despicable", and proving you wrong.

 

I can see why you want to change the subject.

[edjr 6,898]

I can't believe people call Stalin and Hitlers monsters and Truman gets a free pass for killing hundreds of thousands at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

Bush should have cut out the middle man and just nuked Afghanistan and Iraq

[MDC 7,887]

I'm just addressing the fact you think bombing Hiroshima was "despicable", and proving you wrong.

 

I can see why you want to change the subject.

 

I still think the bombing of Hiroshima was despicable.

 

at you accusing me of changing the subject. I started a thread about Iraq and you want to talk about WWII.

[PackerAttacker 0]

Yeah, MDC fails to mention the other trial coming up (Which Saddam wont be alive for) where he is going to be found guilty of killing upwards of 100,000 kurds. So even if you are just playing a numbers game... youre wrong.

 

And Im not even going to go into youre obviously flawed reasoning on the difference bewteen sending in voluntary troops and directly murdering people.

[MDC 7,887]

Yeah, MDC fails to mention the other trial coming up (Which Saddam wont be alive for) where he is going to be found guilty of killing upwards of 100,000 kurds. So even if you are just playing a numbers game... youre wrong.

 

And Im not even going to go into youre obviously flawed reasoning on the difference bewteen sending in voluntary troops and directly murdering people.

 

I asked because I did not know there was a second trial coming up - got a link?

 

I'm not talking about just the troops Bush sent in - about 45,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the war started. Granted, a big portion of them were killed in the sectarian violence, but some of them (certainly more than 150) were killed in the initial invasion / bombing and Bush is ultimately responsible for sparking the violence over there so he bears some responsibility for what happened.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I still think the bombing of Hiroshima was despicable.

 

at you accusing me of changing the subject. I started a thread about Iraq and you want to talk about WWII.

 

MDC's first reference to WWII in this thread: Post #14

 

My first reference: Post #15

 

Thanks for playing.

 

 

I asked because I did not know there was a second trial coming up - got a link?

 

I'm not talking about just the troops Bush sent in - about 45,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the war started. Granted, a big portion of them were killed in the sectarian violence, but some of them (certainly more than 150) were killed in the initial invasion / bombing and Bush is ultimately responsible for sparking the violence over there so he bears some responsibility for what happened.

 

So Bush should go to jail because some innocent civilians where killed by us?

[MDC 7,887]

MDC's first reference to WWII in this thread: Post #14

 

My first reference: Post #15

 

Thanks for playing.

 

Team Revell brought up WWII. You just took the ball and ran with it to change the subject.

 

So Bush should go to jail because some innocent civilians where killed by us?

 

No because that happens in every war. He should go to jail for lying us into an unnecessary war that has resulted in tens of thousands of civilians dead.

[parrot 789]

And fock your "morally questionable" drivel, it was war and we used the available technology to save as many Americans as possible and end it as soon as possible.

Would you be an advocate of firebombing or nuking Iraq?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Team Revell brought up WWII. You just took the ball and ran with it to change the subject.

No because that happens in every war. He should go to jail for lying us into an unnecessary war that has resulted in tens of thousands of civilians dead.

 

 

No, I specifically addressed your post #14.

 

Link to one lie?

[MDC 7,887]

No, I specifically addressed your post #14.

 

Link to one lie?

 

You have persistently kept up the WWII comparison even though the war in Iraq is absolutely nothing like that conflict.

 

I've linked you to lies by the Bush admin over and over again - you are willfully blind.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

You have persistently kept up the WWII comparison even though the war in Iraq is absolutely nothing like that conflict.

 

I've linked you to lies by the Bush admin over and over again - you are willfully blind.

 

Every one of my WWII posts was a response to one of your WWII posts, idiot.

 

No, you haven't linked to one lie yet. But since it is so easy mebbe you can try again.

[MDC 7,887]

Every one of my WWII posts was a response to one of your WWII posts, idiot.

 

Team Revell brought up WWII. I'm not a fan of the comparison. In WWII we were fighting a mortal threat posed by actual nations and we'd been attacked. In Iraq we're policing sectarian violence while fighting insurgents and some foreign terrorists for ambiguous reasons. Apples and oranges.

 

No, you haven't linked to one lie yet. But since it is so easy mebbe you can try again.

 

Yes I have, many many times before and you never want to see it. Posting links for you is like dangling pearls before swine.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

Yes I have, many many times before and you never want to see it. Posting links for you is like dangling pearls before swine.

 

Um, if you are referring to claims of WMD's that does not constitute a lie.

 

If you have a lie bring it, if not STFU already.

[MDC 7,887]

Um, if you are referring to claims of WMD's that does not constitute a lie.

 

If you have a lie bring it, if not STFU already.

 

Yes I am referring to claims of WMDs, and according to most polls a majority of Americans agree that Bush lied.

 

Only the willfully blind and deranged still think he "whoops!" Made a really big mistake!

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Yes I am referring to claims of WMDs, and according to most polls a majority of Americans agree that Bush lied.

 

Only the willfully blind and deranged still think he "whoops!" Made a really big mistake!

 

So, you have the WMD claims and "polls". How about a lie?

 

 

Or did Bill, Hitlery, John Kerry, Edwards, Daschle, Reid, yada...yada....yada... all lie as well.

[MDC 7,887]

So, you have the WMD claims and "polls". How about a lie?

Or did Bill, Hitlery, John Kerry, Edwards, Daschle, Reid, yada...yada....yada... all lie as well.

 

Bill, Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, etc. had different intelligence than Bush and none of them pulled the trigger on actually launching an invasion.

[Snuff 10]

MDC getting pwned yet again?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Bill, Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, etc. had different intelligence than Bush and none of them pulled the trigger on actually launching an invasion.

 

 

They had the same intel.

 

Still no lie to show?

 

BTW: for the first 30 posts of this thread lies had nothing to do with you wanting Bush either executed or thrown in jail, it was only after you realized I painted you into a corner on the whole innocent civilian death issue that you pulled "Bush lied, people died" BS out of your ass.