9/11

[Giants Fan 85]

Nobody is that stupid to throw away a pension and medical a year before. Also, considering that your retirement date is locked in at 18, I call BS.

 

That dude is a moron, and I hope his seed isn't on the planet.

 

My father, who had to support him and my grandmother in their old age would TOTALLY agree with you.

 

But I kinda think it's .... honorable. No military funeral either. My Dad had to pay for that too.

 

[Mungwater 597]

My father, who had to support him and my grandmother in their old age would TOTALLY agree with you.

 

But I kinda think it's .... honorable. No military funeral either. My Dad had to pay for that too.

 

 

You know you get a funeral if you served honorably. What did he do to get kicked out? I don't think you're getting the full story here. I find it hard to believe that anybody can be that selfish and stupid.

[Giants Fan 85]

You know you get a funeral if you served honorably. What did he do to get kicked out? I don't think you're getting the full story here. I find it hard to believe that anybody can be that selfish and stupid.

 

Well, he was a very conservative, stoic man. Perhaps the blacksheep among his brothers that became doctors, and he joined the Army. He was a Lt. Col., he told me himself ... and I've seen pictures, it's true ... I think it's also true he was envious of my Mom's Dad (the other one) that is still alive, because he got put on a boat and sent overseas. And ... he wanted to be buried next to my granmother. I'm not saying he COULDN'T have a military funeral ... but he didn't. I sat next to him, at my grandmothers funeral ... and he had, these flip down shades to cover his glasses ... because he didn't want anyone to see him well up. And I sat there, and held his hand ... and sure enough about half way through the service, he flipped down those shades .... but I never saw one tear roll down his face. He was a great man. The kind of man, only some of us are lucky enough to have known.

 

And that's the truth.

[Mungwater 597]

Well, he was a very conservative, stoic man. Perhaps the blacksheep among his brothers that became doctors, and he joined the Army. He was a Lt. Col., he told me himself ... and I've seen pictures, it's true ... I think it's also true he was envious of my Mom's Dad (the other one) that is still alive, because he got put on a boat and sent overseas. And ... he wanted to be buried next to my granmother. I'm not saying he COULDN'T have a military funeral ... but he didn't. I sat next to him, at my grandmothers funeral ... and he had, these flip down shades to cover his glasses ... because he didn't want anyone to see him well up. And I sat there, and held his hand ... and sure enough about half way through the service, he flipped down those shades .... but I never saw one tear roll down his face. He was a great man. The kind of man, only some of us are lucky enough to have known.

 

And that's the truth.

 

So a guy who is going to become a leech on his family because he turned down a pension, free medical, and survivor benefits for his family is a great man. Your bar seems a little low for greatness.

[Giants Fan 85]

I've posted this picture before ... there are 5 guys ... that all kinda look like dweebs in the picture. The other one, is my grandfather.

 

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1019/gynearmyhc7.jpg

 

 

 

So a guy who is going to become a leech on his family because he turned down a pension, free medical, and survivor benefits for his family is a great man. Your bar seems a little low for greatness.

 

No ... actually he started a Sir. Speedy ... think, Kinkos ... but before good technology ... and he was an attorney ... but not a very successfull one, I guess. My father complains about how he was "too proud" to work at a McDonalds in his old age ... but I loved him very much, regardless.

 

And THIS was his smoking hot wife. Grandma ... to me!

[Guest Davaco]

I've posted this picture before ... there are 5 guys ... that all kinda look like dweebs in the picture. The other one, is my grandfather.

 

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1019/gynearmyhc7.jpg

 

 

they all look like Nazi's to me. what side was he on?

[Giants Fan 85]

they all look like Nazi's to me. what side was he on?

 

Listen punk ... my family has kicked more ass ... than your Momma's slot has taken a nickel.

I haven't even gotten into my Mom's genes.

 

Adam Poe ... Indian fighter. He killed Big Foot So, why doncha just move along ... and STFU because my family pioneered the West. Cleared a safe path for yer poosay waggons. Not much to brag about, but it's the truth. From what I have read, he sounds very similar to me, phyically, too. 6 feet tall, but heavy ... 200 lbs (very heavy for back then) and strong.

 

Also on my Dad's side ... my great grandma was directly discended from William Bradford. Who? You say? You know the holiday Thanksgiving? Yeah ... that was his idea. He was on the Mayflower, and Governor of Plymouth Colony.

[Guest Davaco]

Listen punk ... my family has kicked more ass ... than your Momma's slot has taken a nickel.

I haven't even gotten into my Mom's genes.

 

So, why doncha just move along ... and STFU because my family pioneered the West.

 

 

 

he opened up a greasy tony's in Arizona? not exactly pioneering the west

 

http://www.siboliban.org/bio2/greasytonys.html

 

 

 

here is my grandpa, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_christ

 

 

I haven't even gotten into my Mom's jeans.

 

 

 

 

I have, several times. in fact, Iam your daddy

[Giants Fan 85]

Of course the one genealogy question is WHEN did my last name come to America, and from WHERE? I actually plan to travel to Vermont this summer to try and answer that ... but I have another ancestor ... Henrick Ruiter ... a Loyalist ... he fought for England in the Revolutionary War, via Quebec ... and we are gonna go visit Brome County too.

 

I don't care if that makes me a dork ... but I am really excited.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Of course the one genealogy question is WHEN did my last name come to America, and from WHERE? I actually plan to travel to Vermont this summer to try and answer that ... but I have another ancestor ... Henrick Ruiter ... a Loyalist ... he fought for England in the Revolutionary War, via Quebec ... and we are gonna go visit Brome County too.

 

I don't care if that makes me a dork ... but I am really excited.

 

I believe that Vermont is going to close off their borders at the thought of this occurring. I know that I am calling the Governor right now to start the process.

[Giants Fan 85]

So a guy who is going to become a leech on his family because he turned down a pension, free medical, and survivor benefits for his family is a great man. Your bar seems a little low for greatness.

Talk to my Dad ... now a retiredorded Law Professor. He'll agree with you. But I still love my grandpa. He thought he could do better, in a real world marketplace. He ALWAYS thought, that doing the right thing would pay off in the end. Surprise! Thanks for being honorable ... you can't survive on Medicare and Social Security alone.

 

And when he got sick .... throat cancer at 83 ... he declined treatment. He just decided to die ... so he could be with Nana again. I realize ... it doesn't make sense .... but he was a complex guy.

 

Also explains why I didn't inherit SHIAT! ... with all these great ancestors. Thanks ...big names to live up to, and no cash. Not a joke ... I hear ya. I'm not laughing.

[Guest Davaco]

 

And when he got sick .... throat cancer at 83 ... he declined treatment. He just decided to die ... so he could be with Nana again. I realize ... it doesn't make sense .... but he was a complex guy.

 

or he didnt have health insurance and couldnt get it on the gubmints dime, like those crab legs you wolf down

[Mungwater 597]

or he didnt have health insurance and couldnt get it on the gubmints dime, like those crab legs you wolf down

 

I'm noticing a trend with this family, just sit on your a$$ and expect to be taken care of.

 

Pretty disgusting.

[Giants Fan 85]

or he didnt have health insurance and couldnt get it on the gubmints dime, like those crab legs you wolf down

 

There's no doubt that he was a more pure, more ethical person than me. But the fact is ... I got those free crab legs, 100% honestly, and legally. I pay my taxes ... if I qualify for food stamps ... gimme food stamps.

[Guest Davaco]

There's no doubt that he was a more pure, more ethical person than me. But the fact is ... I got those free crab legs, 100% honestly, and legally. I pay my taxes ... if I qualify for food stamps ... gimme food stamps.

 

u sure it wasnt imitation crab meat?

 

:drool:

[Giants Fan 85]

u sure it wasnt imitation crab meat?

 

:drool:

 

No ... it was real Alaskan king crab .... for $4 a pound. Food stamps or not .... you got a deal!

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

I don't have a problem questioning 9/11 but it kills me how much pure bullshit has been mass propagated and is taken as fact on the subject.

 

Questions? Fire Away.

 

 

Really? Most people would rather keep the topic off the table. Well, since you "don't have a problem questioning 9/11" I have questions concerning the official conspiracy theory that need to clarified.

 

When the 9/11 commission report was being formulated, a certain testimony by Norman Mineta was given.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

Lee Hamilton asks Mineta, secretary of transportation, if he was there when the president ordered commercial airplanes to be shot down. Norman Mineta said "No I was not, during the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man that would come in and say to the president,' The plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out, and when it got down to, the plane is 10 miles out', the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' The vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?' "

 

This testimony brings up several questions:

 

1. What was the order given and by whom?

2. If the orders weren't to shoot the plane down, what were they?

Clearly there were orders here, and that leads a normal person to speculate. Were the orders to stand down? If not, what else could they be?

[TK0001 99]

Really? Most people would rather keep the topic off the table. Well, since you "don't have a problem questioning 9/11" I have questions concerning the official conspiracy theory that need to clarified.

 

When the 9/11 commission report was being formulated, a certain testimony by Norman Mineta was given.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

Lee Hamilton asks Mineta, secretary of transportation, if he was there when the president ordered commercial airplanes to be shot down. Norman Mineta said "No I was not, during the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man that would come in and say to the president,' The plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out, and when it got down to, the plane is 10 miles out', the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' The vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?' "

 

This testimony brings up several questions:

 

1. What was the order given and by whom?

2. If the orders from the vice president weren't to shoot the plane down, what were they?

Clearly there were orders here, and that leads a normal person to speculate. Were the orders to stand down? If not, what else could they be?

 

Bush authorized the shooting down of hijacked civilian aircraft, but not until after flight 93 crashed in PA.

[Giants Fan 85]

Bush authorized the shooting down of hijacked civilian aircraft, but not until after flight 93 crashed in PA.

 

Cheney ... actually.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Bush authorized the shooting down of hijacked civilian aircraft, but not until after flight 93 crashed in PA.

 

That's very possible. I don't doubt you, but can you provide a source just for reference sake.

 

 

If Bush gave the orders to shoot down the plane after Flight 93 crashed, what orders is Norman Mineta referring to? The Mineta testimony still needs answers because the crash of flight 93 happened after the crash of flight 77. If Bush gave orders after this, then what order given is Minatta referring to? If the orders weren't to shoot the plane down, then what were the orders?

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheney ... actually.

 

 

As, I understand, wasn't Cheney in command of Norad? Was this the first time in history when a civilian was in command of Norad? So, it's plausible to believe Cheney gave the orders.

[Giants Fan 85]

I grew up in Tucson, Arizona ... near Davis Monthan AFB. I can tell, by sound only ... the difference between an A-10 and an F-16. It musta been ... 10:30 when they finally secured the airspace in lower Manhattan. I remember, I was outside my office ... and an F-16 buzzed us .... and people freaked! One guy tried to climb under a parked car ... and I started laughing. "It's OK .... that's one of ours! You can come out now! That's an F Class American fighter! I grew up near an AFB!"

 

If there was any humor that day ... I was chearing ... and everyone around me musta thought I was NUTS! They had never been buzzed by an F-16 before, I guess. Seems odd to me.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Really? Most people would rather keep the topic off the table. Well, since you "don't have a problem questioning 9/11" I have questions concerning the official conspiracy theory that need to clarified.

 

When the 9/11 commission report was being formulated, a certain testimony by Norman Mineta was given.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

Lee Hamilton asks Mineta, secretary of transportation, if he was there when the president ordered commercial airplanes to be shot down. Norman Mineta said "No I was not, during the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man that would come in and say to the president,' The plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out, and when it got down to, the plane is 10 miles out', the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' The vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?' "

 

This testimony brings up several questions:

 

1. What was the order given and by whom?

2. If the orders weren't to shoot the plane down, what were they?

Clearly there were orders here, and that leads a normal person to speculate. Were the orders to stand down? If not, what else could they be?

 

 

Ahh...here is the other guy bringing up wild accusations about things he has little to no information on...expecting others who do not have access to every slice of information to answer it...

 

And like others before...if someone every does answer and refute this...instead of admitting he was wrong...he will just move on to another wild theory.

 

It all gets very old.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Ahh...here is the other guy bringing up wild accusations about things he has little to no information on...expecting others who do not have access to every slice of information to answer it...

 

And like others before...if someone every does answer and refute this...instead of admitting he was wrong...he will just move on to another wild theory.

 

It all gets very old.

 

Oakhead Football said to fire away with the questions, so I assumed he is somewhat knowledgable on the subject. He said he doesn't mind questioning on the topic of 9/11. This is not a wild accusation, it is a testimony delivered by Norman Mineta during 9/11 commission proceedings. Shonuff, I never accused you of having a slice of information. As far as I know, the only theory in question is the official conspiracy theory to which we need a new investigation. If you have something to bring to the table, bring it.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Gridiron:

 

At best, from what you've posted, one could argue that the WH is trying to cover up the fact that they didn't know WTF they were doing that day. Bush looked like he was trying to work out long division in his head for about 10 minutes after he got the news. I have no problem - without putting a lot of effort into it - believing that "who gave the order" and "when" may be a matter of indicisiveness and miscomunication between an unprepared neophyte president 3000 miles away and a power-hungry gob like Cheney. They may very well be doing a little revisionist history to protect the President. That's a whole lot easy to accept than anything you've posited.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

Really? Most people would rather keep the topic off the table. Well, since you "don't have a problem questioning 9/11" I have questions concerning the official conspiracy theory that need to clarified.

 

When the 9/11 commission report was being formulated, a certain testimony by Norman Mineta was given.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

Lee Hamilton asks Mineta, secretary of transportation, if he was there when the president ordered commercial airplanes to be shot down. Norman Mineta said "No I was not, during the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man that would come in and say to the president,' The plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out, and when it got down to, the plane is 10 miles out', the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' The vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?' "

 

This testimony brings up several questions:

 

1. What was the order given and by whom?

2. If the orders weren't to shoot the plane down, what were they?

Clearly there were orders here, and that leads a normal person to speculate. Were the orders to stand down? If not, what else could they be?

 

Ok, first off Mineta's account and time line were drasticly different than several other, crosschecked accounts and time lines. The best guess as to why it was omitted from the final report is that his time line was off and /or his testimony was not deemed relevant. None the less he did testify and his testimony was not included in the 9/11 commissions final report. Theorists have viewed this omission from the final report as suspect, and claim it is a cover up of sorts implicating Cheney somehow.

 

Secondly, Mr Mineta admits to overhearing the conversation you quoted above. But he also testifies that it was speculation on his part as to the exact nature of Cheney's comment's as seen below, and in other parts of his testimony.

 

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane

that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away,

there was an order to shoot that plane down.

 

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but

I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from

Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders

specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

 

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to

shoot commercial aircraft down.

 

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.

 

MR. HAMILTON: With respect to Flight 93, what type of

information were you and the vice president receiving about that

flight?

 

MR. MINETA: The only information we had at that point

was when it crashed.

 

MR. HAMILTON: I see. You didn't know beforehand about

that airplane.

 

MR. MINETA: I did not.

 

MR. HAMILTON: And so there was no specific order there

to shoot that plane down.

 

MR. MINETA: No, sir.

 

It has been established that Mineta's account was speculative about the specifics (IE:what plane they were referring to "50,30,10 miles out.) and as to what the order was.

 

Available evidence and time records have established that the quote in question is referring to flight 93's projected path. They were unaware it had crashed for quite some time and it has been established that they were working off of projections for several of the flights. Basically it is the only scenario that fits. The order was most likely a shoot down order, from Cheney, but regardless there were no planes in the vicinity at that time to carry out the attack (or stand down if you are a conspiracy theorist) and the plane in question was already crashed or crashed very soon afterwards.

 

Not really sure how any of this actually fits into a conspiracy theory or implicates Cheney even the slightest if it was included. Seeing as it is nothing really out of the ordinary given the situation. But I think most take it at face value and assume that he had foreknowledge or stood down aircraft.

 

Sorry that this kinda jumps all over the place, I am juggling a few thing here and I wanted to take the time to try and present it in some sort of context for you. Hope it helps and feel free to ask any other questions you have.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Gridiron:

 

At best, from what you've posted, one could argue that the WH is trying to cover up the fact that they didn't know WTF they were doing that day. Bush looked like he was trying to work out long division in his head for about 10 minutes after he got the news. I have no problem - without putting a lot of effort into it - [believing that "who gave the order" and "when" may be a matter of indicisiveness and miscomunication between an unprepared neophyte president 3000 miles away and a power-hungry gob like Cheney. They may very well be doing a little revisionist history to protect the President. That's a whole lot easy to accept than anything you've posited.

 

Indicisiveness could be the young man asking Cheney if the orders still stand. But it wasn't Cheney that was indicisive, it was the young man. Cheney said "Of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?" That sounds pretty decisive to me. And maybe there was some initial questioning by the young man as to what the orders were and that miscomunication is why he had to come back and ask again. In any respect, it sounds like the orders were originated from Cheney or Bush.

 

That still leaves the question open as to what was the order? Some people have said it was to shoot the planes down. But a previous poster stated that Bush gave the order AFTER flight 93 crashed. So what order is the young man following?

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Ok, first off Mineta's account and time line were drasticly different than several other, crosschecked accounts and time lines. The best guess as to why it was omitted from the final report is that his time line was off and /or his testimony was not deemed relevant. None the less he did testify and his testimony was not included in the 9/11 commissions final report. Theorists have viewed this omission from the final report as suspect, and claim it is a cover up of sorts implicating Cheney somehow.

 

Secondly, Mr Mineta admits to overhearing the conversation you quoted above. But he also testifies that it was speculation on his part as to the exact nature of Cheney's comment's as seen below, and in other parts of his testimony.

 

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane

that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away,

there was an order to shoot that plane down.

 

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but

I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from

Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders

specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

 

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to

shoot commercial aircraft down.

 

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.

 

MR. HAMILTON: With respect to Flight 93, what type of

information were you and the vice president receiving about that

flight?

 

MR. MINETA: The only information we had at that point

was when it crashed.

 

MR. HAMILTON: I see. You didn't know beforehand about

that airplane.

 

MR. MINETA: I did not.

 

MR. HAMILTON: And so there was no specific order there

to shoot that plane down.

 

MR. MINETA: No, sir.

 

It has been established that Mineta's account was speculative about the specifics (IE:what plane they were referring to "50,30,10 miles out.) and as to what the order was.

 

Available evidence and time records have established that the quote in question is referring to flight 93's projected path. They were unaware it had crashed for quite some time and it has been established that they were working off of projections for several of the flights. Basically it is the only scenario that fits. The order was most likely a shoot down order, from Cheney, but regardless there were no planes in the vicinity at that time to carry out the attack (or stand down if you are a conspiracy theorist) and the plane in question was already crashed or crashed very soon afterwards.

 

Not really sure how any of this actually fits into a conspiracy theory or implicates Cheney even the slightest if it was included. Seeing as it is nothing really out of the ordinary given the situation. But I think most take it at face value and assume that he had foreknowledge or stood down aircraft.

 

Sorry that this kinda jumps all over the place, I am juggling a few thing here and I wanted to take the time to try and present it in some sort of context for you. Hope it helps and feel free to ask any other questions you have.

 

Thanks for your response. I see you believe the order was a shoot down order from Cheney. So are you saying that this testimony given by Norman Mineta on Flight 77 fits the flight path of Flight 93? You think he has mistaken Flight 77 for Flight 93. Is this what you're saying? What are your sources for the available evidence and timelines that would make this testimony fit flight 93s path? When I listen to his testimony I really don't get the feeling he is mistaking flight 77 for flight 93.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

[Sho Nuff 720]

Oakhead Football said to fire away with the questions, so I assumed he is somewhat knowledgable on the subject. He said he doesn't mind questioning on the topic of 9/11. This is not a wild accusation, it is a testimony delivered by Norman Mineta during 9/11 commission proceedings. Shonuff, I never accused you of having a slice of information. As far as I know, the only theory in question is the official conspiracy theory to which we need a new investigation. If you have something to bring to the table, bring it.

 

Its been brought...over and over and over again...by your history and that of another in this thread...it does not matter how many times things are brought up and refuted...you will continue posting new theories and such....it is completely pointless.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Indicisiveness could be the young man asking Cheney if the orders still stand. But it wasn't Cheney that was indicisive, it was the young man. Cheney said "Of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?" That sounds pretty decisive to me. And maybe there was some initial questioning by the young man as to what the orders were and that miscomunication is why he had to come back and ask again. In any respect, it sounds like the orders were originated from Cheney or Bush.

 

That still leaves the question open as to what was the order? Some people have said it was to shoot the planes down. But a previous poster stated that Bush gave the order AFTER flight 93 crashed. So what order is the young man following?

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

Is your argument one of a few issues of incompetence on the govt's part during the sh!tstorm virtually unparalleled in mankind's history or are you arguing that the gov't was behind the attacks of 911?

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Is your argument one of a few issues of incompetence on the govt's part during the sh!tstorm virtually unparalleled in mankind's history or are you arguing that the gov't was behind the attacks of 911?

 

We are trying to establish what the secretary of transportation meant during the 9/11 commission's proceedings. OakheadFootball brought up some interesting information that is very relavent. OakheadFootball, from the best I can understand, says that Norman Mineta has mistaken flight 77 for flight 93. I have never heard that before, so I am asking OakheadFootball for sources for the available evidence and timelines that would make this testimony fit flight 93s path.

 

 

Here is the testimony===> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

 

You decide what he meant.

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Looking at Norman Mineta's testimony, it appears the best explanation that can be made if you believe in the official conspiracy theory is that Mineta meant Flight 93 when he in fact said Flight 77 in his testimony. When I listen to Norman Mineta on the video being questioned by Lee Hamilton, there is nothing I hear that would indicate that Mineta has the 2 flights confused. In fact, the 911 commission found his testimony so interesting, commissioner Roemer had followup questions. Roemer brought up the notion that it was an inference made by Minetta and Minetta concurred. But listen to this second video of Roemer questioning Minetta. It's interesting how particular to detail Minetta is when he talks. Minetta states that he entered the bunker at 9:20 A.M.. Then Minetta says that the conversation the he(Minetta) overheard between the young man and Cheney happened 5 to 6 minutes after that. That means 9:20 + 5 or 6 is 9:25 or 9:26 that this young man started reporting to Cheney according to Mineta. Remember these are the exact words of Mineta, "...There was a young man that would come in and say to the president,' The plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out, and when it got down to, the plane is 10 miles out', the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' The vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?' "

 

The reason I bring this up, is that Mineta's timeline makes sense with the path of Flight 77. A fact that must be known by the reader of this, is that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 A.M. Eastern. Flight 93 did not crash into the field until 10:03 A.M. Eastern. So, I think this is good logic to realize that Mineta did not mean Flight 93 when he stated Flight 77. The plane is approximately 50 miles out with 10 minutes before it hits the Pentagon. In fact, Mineta meant Flight 77 when he stated Flight 77. Mineta's timeline makes sense.

 

My sources are the videos of the 911 commission questioning Mineta.

 

Here is Hamilton questioning Mineta==> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU&amp...ted&search=

 

Here is Roemer questioning Mineta==> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2c8IKemYI&amp...ted&search=

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

Noone is defending the idea put forth by OakHeadFootball. That the testimony of Mineta was for flight 93 and not flight 77. I think it's a real stretch to say that and we have no sources or logic to show that Mineta was referring to flight 93 over flight 77. So, I must conclude based upon this that Mineta's testimony is correct. This means the time he entered the bunker at 9:20 A.M. is correct and the time he overheard the communication between the young man and Cheney " The plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out, and when it got down to, the plane is 10 miles out', the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' The vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said 'Of course the orders still stand . Have you heard anything to the contrary?' " Mineta said that this communication between the young man and the vice president was 5 or 6 minutes after the time he entered the bunker(so 9:25 or 9:26 Eastern). Flight 77 then crashed at 9:37 A.M. Eastern. Since there is no other alternative viable explanation, and the young man asked the vice president if the orders still stand, we must assume that the young man was in a position to change the outcome of those orders if Cheney changed his mind. This is why he asked if the orders still stand. This means the military defense system must've been in the proximity to either shoot down or stand down on flight 77. Was flight 77 shot down? No, it crashed into the Pentagon. Then, it must've been a standdown order issued by Cheney .

 

If you support the official conspiracy theory, you must realize this makes sense based upon our discussion of Mineta's testimony.

 

Again, here are the 2 sources I've provided that helped allow me to arrive to this conclusion.

Here is Hamilton questioning Mineta==> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU&amp...ted&search=

 

Here is Roemer questioning Mineta==> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2c8IKemYI&amp...ted&search=

 

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11.

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Cheney ... actually.

 

Bush.....actually.

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We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11.

 

How many more years are we going to hear this until someone actually picks up the ball and runs with it?

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How many more years are we going to hear this until someone actually picks up the ball and runs with it?

 

When someone brings some credible evidence that has not already been debunked numerous times?

 

When someone other than some message board hacks whine about it?