Pack offers Rodgers for Moss....

[swamp dog 0]

A day one pick???? 3 years ago!!!! You know what a day one pick from the 2004 draft is worth today, nada.

 

If the Lions were offered a stick of gum for Mike Williams they would of taken it, day one pick or not.

 

a round 1 pick in 2004 should be entering his peak, his prime. in fact, a "good" #1 pick from 2004 is actually worth more than a current round 1 pick. the lions pick in round 1 2004 was roy williams, not mike (oh, and kevin jones at 1.30). and no, the lions won't be trading roy williams for randy moss. nor do i think the bears will trade tommie harris for him. nor do i think the cards will trade larry fitzgerald for him.

 

please don't act like 2004 is ancient history and a round 1 pick from that draft is somehow devalued over a current round 1 pick.

 

and, fine, i hear the packer faithful here loud and clear: they're locked and loaded, ready to go if rodgers is traded for one randy moss.

 

dually noted. let's revisit this thread at a later date and see if the dancing bananas are still there after randy lines up a month or two in cheese-colored pants.

[Timinator 0]

Wow, this has gotten goofy.

 

I don't look at Rodgers as a #1 draft pick in 2007. He's a back up QB to a guy who never misses a start. Trading a back up for a #2 WR who's been in the Pro Bowl and is only 30 is worth looking into.

 

As a Packer fan in MN, I've had plenty of chances to see Moss on the field and off. He's not a club-going headcase. He's a guy who desperately wants to win. Interviews now tell me that he'd be willing to cash in some personal stats for a shot at the playoffs with a QB like Favre.

 

Moss played hurt most of 2005 in Oakland. I was impressed. He was also gimpy on his infamous "mooning" TD at Labeau. He's a gamer.

 

Green Bay won a Super Bowl with a "cancer" WR in Andre Rison. I'd look at Moss as a similar opportunity.

[r8drzrule 0]

to all the greenbay fans, don't listen to all these focktards on here that say moss has lost it. BULLSH!T.

 

2 years ago, the first 4 games of the year, before he got hurt against the chargers, he was on pace for a monster year. plus he lit up two pretty good dfens in that 4 game stretch, phili and NE.

 

last year he was pi$$ed he was stuck on a crappy team. the offensive line is offensive. worst in the league and not showing signs of getting better anytime soon. gallery and grove can't miss linemen my azz. a couple of inbred, dumfuk hillbilly's who act more like turnstyles than linemen. anyway, sorry bout the tangent, still ticked about gallery and grove picks....bottom line is, oline sucks, gallery sucks, hes a bust, the team knows it, moss knows it and doesn't want to stick around waiting for the oline to be rebuilt.

 

hes still the best reciever in the game, no doubt about it. do i agree with him giving up on the team and b!tchin and moanin? no. but to say hes lost a step and can't get it done is stoopid. he has the best natural skillset for the reciever position in the history of the league. if he goes to the pack he will put up 80+ catches, 1500+ yards and 10+ td's. and donald driver will always have one-on-one coverage.

 

now you can argue that superbowl teams are not built around big name recievers. the cap money should be spent elsewhere. that i can agree with. but anyone that says moss sucks and can't get it done anymore is stoopid. he and favre would tear sh!t up. take it from someone who has watches every single raider game(painful as that sounds), hes still the man.

 

real question in all this, is rogers worth a d@mn? got any olinemen up there that can actually block? thats what the raids should trade for, olinemen. not some stiff QB.

[Snoopy1 0]

a round 1 pick in 2004 should be entering his peak, his prime. in fact, a "good" #1 pick from 2004 is actually worth more than a current round 1 pick. the lions pick in round 1 2004 was roy williams, not mike (oh, and kevin jones at 1.30). and no, the lions won't be trading roy williams for randy moss. nor do i think the bears will trade tommie harris for him. nor do i think the cards will trade larry fitzgerald for him.

 

please don't act like 2004 is ancient history and a round 1 pick from that draft is somehow devalued over a current round 1 pick.

 

and, fine, i hear the packer faithful here loud and clear: they're locked and loaded, ready to go if rodgers is traded for one randy moss.

 

dually noted. let's revisit this thread at a later date and see if the dancing bananas are still there after randy lines up a month or two in cheese-colored pants.

 

 

Swamp, don't put words in anyone's mouth. It's an intriquing trade proposal that's all.

 

 

Entering his prime? He's a QB, from the Jeff Tefford(?) school, same guy who also taught Harrington. So they don't have the greatest success rate in the NFL. Heck what's the success rate of any draft day one QB's in the NFL.

 

IMO Moss is a greater value for the next 3 years then a guy who hasn't performed much at all. Moss has shown what he has. It's like getting the TV vs maybe there's a car behind curtain number 1, but it just as easily could be a pile of horse manure.

 

While they may have Initiated talks, I think you will see TT explore the options in FA first before making trades. I'd rather save a few bucks and pick up Drew Bennet (no way Bennett could get 9M?) and explore the possibility of David Carr then go after Moss.

 

 

ETA: SI reports that Despite continued speculation about Oakland and Green Bay having contact regarding a trade of disgruntled Raiders receiver Randy Moss, a source close to the situation said no team -- Green Bay included -- has called to inquire about Moss. There is no timetable driving any potential trade of Moss, the source said, because the Raiders don't owe Moss any offseason bonus of any kind. While Oakland is still thought to be open to moving Moss, any attempt to do is said to be in the "embryonic stages.''

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Uh, no. I said he didn't OD. I also said that the media blew everything out of proportion. Further I said that I doubted that he had his stomach pumped based on a paramedic saying he did.

He's a cancer. They are trading him because he's a brooding pr!ck, and an expensive one at that. In his tenure with the Raiders, he did nothing to help his team except take a paycheck.

At the time, yes. Absolutely. They pay his salary and he is an employee - ripping your team in the media is a crap thing to do. What, Manning & Favre are untouchable because they're media friendly? I think it's weak for any player to badmouth their team.

 

 

Do you want me to pull up your actual words claiming that it was no story? I can easily do that.

 

I agree...that he has not been any difference maker in Oakland...though, with that team and set of coaches the past 2 years...not sure Jerry Rice in his prime could have been.

 

I think certain players that are leaders of the team can most certainly be critical of their teammates...its their job to light a fire under the asses of their players. Because in the end, when the team does bad...it ends up on the shoulders of the team leaders.

 

Though, I think you are taking me a bit wrong here.

 

Im not a huge Randy Moss fan. I just hear the cancer stuff all the time and the best thing people can come up with is that he was critical of teammates a few times in the media. Given how other players have done just that and nobody says a word about it, I just don't think it is as bad as people want to make it out to be.

 

Comparing him to TO...TO has divided several locker rooms now....he is the very definition of a locker room cancer by the way that it ends up being a him vs. others thing several times.

 

Moss simply has not been that divisive force.

 

And I have said several times to not break the bank for this guy. No more than a 3rd rounder for him...and even at that priced Id want his salary to be reduced. (though the team has the cap room and with the trade would not be on the hook for that large signing bonuses making it a bit more intriguing I guess).

 

But I would want it low risk...that if he does not work out they can cut ties and not be out much.

 

first pac man, and now moss. you've had a very full week defending the nfl's "best." good work, counsel

 

moss doesn't have it anymore--his second gear is gone and his attitude has always sucked. not worth a day 1 pick, which the packers would be giving up in essence.

 

Yawn....

 

Read what I wrote...I asked a simply question...care to answer it...just what has Moss done to be a cancer?

 

And if the day 1 pick is seen as a guy who will never play for them or be what they want...what is the problem with giving that up? Better than having Favre stay for 2 more years...then letting him go for absolutely nothing wouldnt you think?

 

 

 

While they may have Initiated talks, I think you will see TT explore the options in FA first before making trades. I'd rather save a few bucks and pick up Drew Bennet (no way Bennett could get 9M?) and explore the possibility of David Carr then go after Moss.

 

 

Agreed on Bennett...as I have said several times....

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Im a Pack fan who thinks Moss has lost it and isnt worth a dime. At the same time Im not a Rogers fan, and wasnt when they drafted him. Obviously the Pack wouldnt trade there former 1st round young QB for Moss if they thought he had a future at starter. They must think he isnt the guy and will ultimately be a bust when he gets his shot.

 

Considering I dont like either player, and think one is a bust and the other is just living off his past history, Im torn with this deal. All I can say is Id rather give up Rogers than a draft pick.

 

And Sho, Moss is a Cancer. He doesnt want to play. Everything from Moss hitting whoever, walking off teh field, and sayinghe wil play when he feels like it is the Def. of a cancer. Seriously if a Detroit player had his history we would hear it from all of us Packer fans here for about 2 weeks.

 

He might not be as loud and outspoken as TO, but what he lacks in that he makes up for in lack of ability and laziness. TO is a better player on the field, Moss is slightly better than TO off the field.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Im a Pack fan who thinks Moss has lost it and isnt worth a dime. At the same time Im not a Rogers fan, and wasnt when they drafted him. Obviously the Pack wouldnt trade there former 1st round young QB for Moss if they thought he had a future at starter. They must think he isnt the guy and will ultimately be a bust when he gets his shot.

 

Considering I dont like either player, and think one is a bust and the other is just living off his past history, Im torn with this deal. All I can say is Id rather give up Rogers than a draft pick.

 

And Sho, Moss is a Cancer. He doesnt want to play. Everything from Moss hitting whoever, walking off teh field, and sayinghe wil play when he feels like it is the Def. of a cancer. Seriously if a Detroit player had his history we would hear it from all of us Packer fans here for about 2 weeks.

 

He might not be as loud and outspoken as TO, but what he lacks in that he makes up for in lack of ability and laziness. TO is a better player on the field, Moss is slightly better than TO off the field.

 

A cancer to me is someone who is a complete divisive factor in the locker room...who tears a team apart because of his attitude and affects the play of the team.

 

I have not seen that from Moss. He was childish in the past with a few antics (the water bottle) and so on...but never to the point where his teammates just could not stand him and so on.

 

I have said my biggest question with him is not his ability, because I think he still has enough to be a solid #2 with Driver as the #1. I question his motivation. And you mentioned parts of that...the playing hard when he wants to type of thing.

 

The leaving the field early is a small one for sure...

[Timinator 0]

Moss as cancer is pretty old. Here are the three worst things he's done as a player:

 

1) Squirted water bottle at a ref. Incredibly immature about not getting continuied pass interference calls.

 

2) Walked off the field in MN. Yeah, his team/coaching quit on him first, but show some class.

 

3) Bumped into a "traffic cop" in Mpls. I live here and I hate these people on Nicolett Mall too. Cub Scouts with whistles. It's easy to get in a buses-only lane. She should have let him turn off at the next block. He should have talked to her.

 

Nothing there is him dividing a locker room. I am convinced everything else is purely misunderstood because he's a Black guy with big hair. The guy's a country bumpkin from WV. He's a lot like Favre that way. Dude still comes back to MN to ice fish.

 

*) "Play when I want to play" was misunderstood. No WR goes 100% on every play. In fact, most WRs aren't going all-out when they are the primary targets on routes. Stay under control. Everybody knows it, but he takes heat for saying it.

 

*) Quit on the Raiders and ripped 'em. Al Davis quit on them long before Moss did. Moss played 10 games hurt in 2005 and they got him a roll of Bounty for an OL and a Howdy Doody QB in 2006. Gee, thanks.

 

*) Ripped Vikings franchise and called out Culpepper. Red McCombs was the biggest cancer the Vikes ever had. Very rip-able. Culpepper has talent, but he doesn't have a killer insticnt.

 

*) Had a blunt in his car. Moss has never failed a drug test. And never OD'd.

 

Moss works low-key charity events and takes time to coach younger players. I think he likes keeping these things under wraps. For whatever reason, he'd like the media to think he's a thug when he's really not.

 

In Green Bay, Moss wouldn't have to worry about coming off as a bad team leader because Favre is already a solid team leader. And Driver would still be the #1 WR. Perfect opportunity to shut up and let the stats do the talking.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Moss as cancer is pretty old. Here are the three worst things he's done as a player:

 

1) Squirted water bottle at a ref. Incredibly immature about not getting continuied pass interference calls.

 

2) Walked off the field in MN. Yeah, his team/coaching quit on him first, but show some class.

 

3) Bumped into a "traffic cop" in Mpls. I live here and I hate these people on Nicolett Mall too. Cub Scouts with whistles. It's easy to get in a buses-only lane. She should have let him turn off at the next block. He should have talked to her.

 

Nothing there is him dividing a locker room. I am convinced everything else is purely misunderstood because he's a Black guy with big hair. The guy's a country bumpkin from WV. He's a lot like Favre that way. Dude still comes back to MN to ice fish.

 

*) "Play when I want to play" was misunderstood. No WR goes 100% on every play. In fact, most WRs aren't going all-out when they are the primary targets on routes. Stay under control. Everybody knows it, but he takes heat for saying it.

 

*) Quit on the Raiders and ripped 'em. Al Davis quit on them long before Moss did. Moss played 10 games hurt in 2005 and they got him a roll of Bounty for an OL and a Howdy Doody QB in 2006. Gee, thanks.

 

*) Ripped Vikings franchise and called out Culpepper. Red McCombs was the biggest cancer the Vikes ever had. Very rip-able. Culpepper has talent, but he doesn't have a killer insticnt.

 

*) Had a blunt in his car. Moss has never failed a drug test. And never OD'd.

 

Moss works low-key charity events and takes time to coach younger players. I think he likes keeping these things under wraps. For whatever reason, he'd like the media to think he's a thug when he's really not.

 

In Green Bay, Moss wouldn't have to worry about coming off as a bad team leader because Favre is already a solid team leader. And Driver would still be the #1 WR. Perfect opportunity to shut up and let the stats do the talking.

 

 

The only think I disagree with is the play when I want to play thing. It would would be one thing if he had only made comments like that once. But he again repeated similar things this past year that make me question his motivation.

[Timinator 0]

The only think I disagree with is the play when I want to play thing. It would would be one thing if he had only made comments like that once. But he again repeated similar things this past year that make me question his motivation.

 

Fair concern.

 

Trouble is that what he said is still true about the WR position in football. Unfortunately, events have unfolded to make that now-older statement look like it means something different.

 

What is the guy's motivation? For the right price, I would love to find out if it's playing with a guy who gives a d@mn like Favre. I think GB's attitude would bring out his best.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

A cancer to me is someone who is a complete divisive factor in the locker room...who tears a team apart because of his attitude and affects the play of the team.

 

I have not seen that from Moss. He was childish in the past with a few antics (the water bottle) and so on...but never to the point where his teammates just could not stand him and so on.

 

I have said my biggest question with him is not his ability, because I think he still has enough to be a solid #2 with Driver as the #1. I question his motivation. And you mentioned parts of that...the playing hard when he wants to type of thing.

 

The leaving the field early is a small one for sure...

 

But why get an older player with declining talent, unable to be a true vet and lead by example...on a young young team?....Unless we are planning on winning the SB in the next 2 years what good will he do? Anything can happen, but I dont think we are 1 2nd option WR who plays when he wants and is injury prone away from a run at the SB.

[football_scooter 0]

3) Bumped into a "traffic cop" in Mpls. I live here and I hate these people on Nicolett Mall too. Cub Scouts with whistles. It's easy to get in a buses-only lane. She should have let him turn off at the next block. He should have talked to her.

 

 

Excuse me - are you actually defending the action of vehicular assaut?

 

Did you conveniently forget that he had a half burnt joint in his ashtray at the time?

 

Dude ran into a police officer and you're insulting towards the officer?

 

 

Wow - this topic has officially jumped the shark. Y'all should really listen to listen2me 23 - he's the only Packer fan here not wearing Green & Gold goggles. I sure wish this place had topics from the past, as I seem to recall Packer fans not being anywhere near this fond of Randy Moss when he was a Viking.

 

In fact, I recall virtually every packer fan being high & mighty about Moss' classless behavior.

 

Y'all are some pretty major hypocrites. I bet if Owens was headed to GB y'all would find a way to defend that as well.

[Sho Nuff 720]

But why get an older player with declining talent, unable to be a true vet and lead by example...on a young young team?....Unless we are planning on winning the SB in the next 2 years what good will he do? Anything can happen, but I dont think we are 1 2nd option WR who plays when he wants and is injury prone away from a run at the SB.

 

30 is not all that old really.

And I think the plan is to see what kind of run they can have while Favre is still around.

Which is why I don't do it without a restructuring anyway because I want to lessen any risk of future cap issues with him.

 

Injury prone? Please...he had a problem 2 years ago...before that...how many games has he missed to injury?

 

Excuse me - are you actually defending the action of vehicular assaut?

 

Did you conveniently forget that he had a half burnt joint in his ashtray at the time?

 

Dude ran into a police officer and you're insulting towards the officer?

Wow - this topic has officially jumped the shark. Y'all should really listen to listen2me 23 - he's the only Packer fan here not wearing Green & Gold goggles. I sure wish this place had topics from the past, as I seem to recall Packer fans not being anywhere near this fond of Randy Moss when he was a Viking.

 

In fact, I recall virtually every packer fan being high & mighty about Moss' classless behavior.

 

Y'all are some pretty major hypocrites. I bet if Owens was headed to GB y'all would find a way to defend that as well.

 

 

What is up with the illiteracy on this board lately?

 

Green and Gold goggles?

 

Because I rightfully ask what the guy has done to be a cancer and you cannot really provide anything of substance?

 

Because I say only do it if you can restructure and for a 3rd rounder or less (and I would consider Rodgers a 3rd rounder or less at this point)?

 

Because I question his motivation and that is why I want to lessen any cap risk of taking this guy in?

 

Because I think he can be a good #2 WR?

 

Yeah...homerism big time there....

 

 

Owens...i would say what I did last time they talked about him last year connected with Green Bay rumors.

 

hell of a talented WR...but he kills locker rooms and is just not worth it on a young team.

 

If they sign him...Id be cautious...yet happy as hell on Sundays watching him catch TDs.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Moss as cancer is pretty old. Here are the three worst things he's done as a player:

 

1) Squirted water bottle at a ref. Incredibly immature about not getting continuied pass interference calls.

 

2) Walked off the field in MN. Yeah, his team/coaching quit on him first, but show some class.

 

3) Bumped into a "traffic cop" in Mpls. I live here and I hate these people on Nicolett Mall too. Cub Scouts with whistles. It's easy to get in a buses-only lane. She should have let him turn off at the next block. He should have talked to her.

 

Nothing there is him dividing a locker room. I am convinced everything else is purely misunderstood because he's a Black guy with big hair. The guy's a country bumpkin from WV. He's a lot like Favre that way. Dude still comes back to MN to ice fish.

 

*) "Play when I want to play" was misunderstood. No WR goes 100% on every play. In fact, most WRs aren't going all-out when they are the primary targets on routes. Stay under control. Everybody knows it, but he takes heat for saying it.

 

*) Quit on the Raiders and ripped 'em. Al Davis quit on them long before Moss did. Moss played 10 games hurt in 2005 and they got him a roll of Bounty for an OL and a Howdy Doody QB in 2006. Gee, thanks.

 

*) Ripped Vikings franchise and called out Culpepper. Red McCombs was the biggest cancer the Vikes ever had. Very rip-able. Culpepper has talent, but he doesn't have a killer insticnt.

 

*) Had a blunt in his car. Moss has never failed a drug test. And never OD'd.

 

Moss works low-key charity events and takes time to coach younger players. I think he likes keeping these things under wraps. For whatever reason, he'd like the media to think he's a thug when he's really not.

 

In Green Bay, Moss wouldn't have to worry about coming off as a bad team leader because Favre is already a solid team leader. And Driver would still be the #1 WR. Perfect opportunity to shut up and let the stats do the talking.

 

Maybe he is not a cancer in the traditional sense, TO sets the bar too high for anyone there, but in some cases I would rather him work hard, still have skills, not afraid of the middle, play hard, while mouthing off. In the end this is football, and players need to perform on the field. He has no motivation, as team captain last year for the Raiders he looked more like a rookie with issues. We just dont need to see if this guy is still fast enough to run past players a few times a game. His skills are fading fast, he gets hurt, and while not as bad as TO he still has a bad attitude. If TO wasnt in the league we would look at Moss' problems in a different light. Moss has no long term upside. Moss has shown me nothing as of late to say he is still decent. I think everyone is living in the past way too much here, all he had was the streak and since then he has lost a step if not 2, where he cant just leap over anyone anymore. Why do we need a guy who has questions on if he still has it anymore, questions if he wants to play, and in the end only play 13 or 14 games a year MAX. His contract will mean everything, I dont see Moss settling for #2 WR money, personally I dont think he is worth #2 WR money.

 

Why is it always someone elses fault?...Oaklands fault. Vikings fault. Misunderstood his words. He was the team captain in Oakland...they said he grew up. He talked a big game before, and not only did he not look like a team captain but he looked like a bum.

[football_scooter 0]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

 

Was I talking to you specifically?

 

No. I was talking to the GB fan who defended the actions of hitting a cop with a car while smoking the reefer.

 

But your defensive nature says worlds about this. I guarentee you used to badmouth Moss. If you didn't, you're a pretty poor excuse for a Packer fan.

 

Maybe he is not a cancer in the traditional sense, TO sets the bar too high for anyone there, but in some cases I would rather him work hard, still have skills, not afraid of the middle, play hard, while mouthing off. In the end this is football, and players need to perform on the field. He has no motivation, as team captain last year for the Raiders he looked more like a rookie with issues. We just dont need to see if this guy is still fast enough to run past players a few times a game. His skills are fading fast, he gets hurt, and while not as bad as TO he still has a bad attitude. If TO wasnt in the league we would look at Moss' problems in a different light. Moss has no long term upside. Moss has shown me nothing as of late to say he is still decent. I think everyone is living in the past way too much here, all he had was the streak and since then he has lost a step if not 2, where he cant just leap over anyone anymore. Why do we need a guy who has questions on if he still has it anymore, questions if he wants to play, and in the end only play 13 or 14 games a year MAX. His contract will mean everything, I dont see Moss settling for #2 WR money, personally I dont think he is worth #2 WR money.

 

Why is it always someone elses fault?...Oaklands fault. Vikings fault. Misunderstood his words. He was the team captain in Oakland...they said he grew up. He talked a big game before, and not only did he not look like a team captain but he looked like a bum.

 

listen2me just won this topic.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

30 is not all that old really.

And I think the plan is to see what kind of run they can have while Favre is still around.

Which is why I don't do it without a restructuring anyway because I want to lessen any risk of future cap issues with him.

 

Injury prone? Please...he had a problem 2 years ago...before that...how many games has he missed to injury?

 

30 is old for a WR more so when the WR just relys on speed and jumping ability.

 

For Rogers I might consider this as I think Rogers is nothing, as I did when they drafted him. WHat I dont get is since many Packer fans backed the pick and said we had to take Rogers he was a steal. Why are these people quick to want him gone without seeing what he can do? I know many guys didnt feel like me and actually liked Rogers, I remember myself being in the minority in that.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Was I talking to you specifically?

 

No. I was talking to the GB fan who defended the actions of hitting a cop with a car while smoking the reefer.

 

But your defensive nature says worlds about this. I guarentee you used to badmouth Moss. If you didn't, you're a pretty poor excuse for a Packer fan.

listen2me just won this topic.

 

When you say things like

Y'all should really listen to listen2me 23 - he's the only Packer fan here not wearing Green & Gold goggles. I sure wish this place had topics from the past, as I seem to recall Packer fans not being anywhere near this fond of Randy Moss when he was a Viking.

...how were you just talking to Timinator who was talking about defending his actions?

 

Pretty clear you were addressing every Packer fan except listen2me...

 

 

I badmouthed some of his decisions and his motivation...things I still question today.

Off the field...as I said, the Packers sold their soul when they signed K Rob last year....a guy with less talent...and more serious off the field issues than Moss has ever had in the league.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Seriously what does everyone think his contract would be if he came to GB?

[football_scooter 0]

30 is old for a WR more so when the WR just relys on speed and jumping ability.

 

For Rogers I might consider this as I think Rogers is nothing, as I did when they drafted him. WHat I dont get is since many Packer fans backed the pick and said we had to take Rogers he was a steal. Why are these people quick to want him gone without seeing what he can do? I know many guys didnt feel like me and actually liked Rogers, I remember myself being in the minority in that.

 

Sho Nuff was one of them. What a shame that the old topics are all gone, because I'm positive I argued at length with Sho about Rogers. The Niners took Smith and Rogers dropped like a rock....Packers took him and I posted that I thought he'd be a bust based on the lack of success that Tedford products had in the NFL.

 

Sho defended the pick at length.

 

Then later on, when reports surfaced that GB staff was not impressed with Rogers inability to pick up the offense, Sho was the chief defender then too. Don't believe the hype, what do reporters know, those weren't reliable reports, blah blah blah blah blah.

 

now here Rogers is on the block and I'm shocked Sho has the nerve to even show up in this topic.

[hoffdaddy 1]

first pac man, and now moss. you've had a very full week defending the nfl's "best." good work, counsel

 

moss doesn't have it anymore--his second gear is gone and his attitude has always sucked. not worth a day 1 pick, which the packers would be giving up in essence.

 

While the 'pick' logic isn't flying with me, I once again agree with samp dog here (and it scares me....again).

 

Moss has lost a step. Moss is a cancer, when things go bad. If he comes in and wins, he'll be happy. What happens when Favre hangs it up and things don't go as well? Will Moss be happy? I doubt it.

 

First and foremost, this trade will never happen with Moss's current contract. Remains to be seen if he'll restructure.

 

Lastly, why not save the pick and or player and make a run at Joe Horn? Is there really that much of a difference between those two at this point? I don't see one.

[t.j 35]

I can't believe this thread is still going. This trade makes no sense from the Raiders standpoint.

[mighty_thor 115]

Moss was never a great route runner. He simply had so much talent that he could get open and the vikings would throw the ball to him. Now he has lost his speed and he never like taking the hit over the middle. I just don't see why anyone would get excited about Moss. I hope someone in my fantasy league is this excited about Moss. Let them waste a pick.

[Arsenal 3]

Who would have thought Rodgers would have so many defenders, lol.

[Snoopy1 0]

I find it amusing that so many GM's here are sure he's lost a step or two and his jumping ability. How can any of that be judged from 2 years of playing with the worst offense in the league? I mean seriously, people actually watched Raider games long enough the last two years to evaluate Moss. Love football, but it would of taken some serious green to get me to watch more then 30 seconds of a Radier game...

 

 

Doubt this ever gets past the rumour stage anyway.

[Timinator 0]

When you say things like

...how were you just talking to Timinator who was talking about defending his actions?

 

Pretty clear you were addressing every Packer fan except listen2me...

 

 

I badmouthed some of his decisions and his motivation...things I still question today.

Off the field...as I said, the Packers sold their soul when they signed K Rob last year....a guy with less talent...and more serious off the field issues than Moss has ever had in the league.

 

 

I'm neither an optimist nor a naysayer. I'm a realist. I've followed Moss since he was at Marshall. My feelings have nothing to do with GB vs. MN.

 

I totally admit that Mr. Moss has a short-circuit somewhere. His skiills are eroding. Of course this has to be considered. I just feel most folks are going overboard.

 

Truth is that Moss could be an absolute steal for a 3rd rounder or for Aaron Rodgers. My argument isn't that you bend over backwards to take this risk. My argument is that for such a low risk, you have to take the shot at the high reward, especially in GB.

 

Why "especially in GB"? Because Drivers stay #1 and doesn't mind going across the middle so Randy won't have to. Because Favre is willing to chuck it up which uses some of Randy's best hoops skills. Because GB has plenty of cap room and can take a flyer. Because GB fans would come around and love this guy making it easy for him to stay motivated. It's probably the best place for Moss to return to form.

 

And since there's no signing bonus to worry about, you can cut his mooning azz anytime he looks at you cross-eyed. Perfect opportunity. Heck, we've cut a lot of 1st-3rd rounders in the last 10-15 years.

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And since there's no signing bonus to worry about, you can cut his mooning azz anytime he looks at you cross-eyed. Perfect opportunity. Heck, we've cut a lot of 1st-3rd rounders in the last 10-15 years.

 

That's what I thought when the Raiders traded for Moss too. But then they gave him a bonus anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if Green Bay gave him some kind of bonus.

[swamp dog 0]

I'm neither an optimist nor a naysayer. I'm a realist. I've followed Moss since he was at Marshall. My feelings have nothing to do with GB vs. MN.

 

I totally admit that Mr. Moss has a short-circuit somewhere. His skiills are eroding. Of course this has to be considered. I just feel most folks are going overboard.

 

Truth is that Moss could be an absolute steal for a 3rd rounder or for Aaron Rodgers. My argument isn't that you bend over backwards to take this risk. My argument is that for such a low risk, you have to take the shot at the high reward, especially in GB.

 

Why "especially in GB"? Because Drivers stay #1 and doesn't mind going across the middle so Randy won't have to. Because Favre is willing to chuck it up which uses some of Randy's best hoops skills. Because GB has plenty of cap room and can take a flyer. Because GB fans would come around and love this guy making it easy for him to stay motivated. It's probably the best place for Moss to return to form.

 

And since there's no signing bonus to worry about, you can cut his mooning azz anytime he looks at you cross-eyed. Perfect opportunity. Heck, we've cut a lot of 1st-3rd rounders in the last 10-15 years.

 

with driver and jennings in the fold (at least the way the packers gush about jennings), getting moss makes zero sense. he has way too many ? and baggage.

 

even if the lions could get him cheaply, i'd hate it hate it. the guy's a loser!

[Snoopy1 0]

with driver and jennings in the fold (at least the way the packers gush about jennings), getting moss makes zero sense. he has way too many ? and baggage.

 

even if the lions could get him cheaply, i'd hate it hate it. the guy's a loser!

 

 

Gushing about Jennings, . It would take a very delusional homer to think he's anything but a pretty decent, capable player. That's about it. As a fan, I would be estatic if he ended up to be a Keenan McCardell type of player.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sho Nuff was one of them. What a shame that the old topics are all gone, because I'm positive I argued at length with Sho about Rogers. The Niners took Smith and Rogers dropped like a rock....Packers took him and I posted that I thought he'd be a bust based on the lack of success that Tedford products had in the NFL.

 

Sho defended the pick at length.

 

Then later on, when reports surfaced that GB staff was not impressed with Rogers inability to pick up the offense, Sho was the chief defender then too. Don't believe the hype, what do reporters know, those weren't reliable reports, blah blah blah blah blah.

 

now here Rogers is on the block and I'm shocked Sho has the nerve to even show up in this topic.

 

 

I defended the pick at that spot in the draft...based on the talent of the guy....what I stated when a few rumors went around about people not impressed with him...I asked for one person to provide an actual quote from someone on the Green Bay staff....nobody could do so.

 

Nerve to show up?

 

I wish you could bring up old posts...because you would be shown to be the spinning fool that you are...you would not be able to find me a single quote of mine stating that he is good or that I have said anything more than wait and see with him and see how he develops.

 

Now all I have said is that if they are willing to trade him, he may not be the fit that they want...that Favre may stay another 2 years and then they would have to figure out what to pay him. Might as well get something for him now than get nothing for him....

 

Nice try though...

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Gushing about Jennings, . It would take a very delusional homer to think he's anything but a pretty decent, capable player. That's about it. As a fan, I would be estatic if he ended up to be a Keenan McCardell type of player.

 

 

This is great analysis here. Uh, the guy came in as a rookie and beat out veteran WRs for starting gig. Do all rookies do that?

 

Personally, I don't think Jennings has a superstar ceiling, but he's going to be pretty good. Better than 'decent' I think.

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Gushing about Jennings, . It would take a very delusional homer to think he's anything but a pretty decent, capable player. That's about it. As a fan, I would be estatic if he ended up to be a Keenan McCardell type of player.

 

Yikes. Favre told Jennings earlier in the year it's too bad he didn't come around earlier in his career because he thinks they could have had a Manning-Harrison type connection. And Keenan is a terrible comparison to Jennings b/c McCardell has always been more of a possession type WR, which is not Jennings' bag at all.

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I find it amusing that so many GM's here are sure he's lost a step or two and his jumping ability. How can any of that be judged from 2 years of playing with the worst offense in the league? I mean seriously, people actually watched Raider games long enough the last two years to evaluate Moss. Love football, but it would of taken some serious green to get me to watch more then 30 seconds of a Radier game...

Doubt this ever gets past the rumour stage anyway.

 

You ever play fantasy football? You ever hear of NFL total package and split screen TV's? Sometimes you watch a player for other reasons. I watched Moss most of the year wondering if i should bench him. Eventually I did. The guy won me a fantasy championship a few years back but he is not the same player. He was not getting seperation. Why didn't any teams go after him at the trading deadline? A team like the patriots was in dire need of a wide out. The Raiders didn't get one inquiry on Moss.

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This is great analysis here. Uh, the guy came in as a rookie and beat out veteran WRs for starting gig. Do all rookies do that?

 

Personally, I don't think Jennings has a superstar ceiling, but he's going to be pretty good. Better than 'decent' I think.

 

 

I'm very aware that he won the starting gig in in Green Bay. Who was the competition again by the way?

 

I think he has the potential to put up McCardell like numbers, that's a decent compliment.

 

Yikes. Favre told Jennings earlier in the year it's too bad he didn't come around earlier in his career because he thinks they could have had a Manning-Harrison type connection. And Keenan is a terrible comparison to Jennings b/c McCardell has always been more of a possession type WR, which is not Jennings' bag at all.

 

 

That he broke a few slants, doesn't equate to him not being a possession type reciever. Brett also said last year that it was the most talented team he'd been a part of... mmmmmmmmmmkay.

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I defended the pick at that spot in the draft...based on the talent of the guy....

Which you were obviously wrong about.

 

what I stated when a few rumors went around about people not impressed with him...I asked for one person to provide an actual quote from someone on the Green Bay staff....nobody could do so.

 

Nerve to show up?

 

I wish you could bring up old posts...because you would be shown to be the spinning fool that you are...you would not be able to find me a single quote of mine stating that he is good or that I have said anything more than wait and see with him and see how he develops.

 

Now all I have said is that if they are willing to trade him, he may not be the fit that they want...that Favre may stay another 2 years and then they would have to figure out what to pay him. Might as well get something for him now than get nothing for him....

 

Nice try though...

 

If I'm spinning, why are you backpeddling so fast?

 

Indeed it was a good "try" - that me saying exactly what happened and all. You were ALL OVER ROGERS NUTS.

 

Then at the time I obliged your request and provided you with the link. Of course they didn't name the source - people like thier jobs in the NFL.

 

 

Sho, you waffle so much you should be a politician.

 

 

Brett also said last year that it was the most talented team he'd been a part of... mmmmmmmmmmkay.

 

Bret sounded delusional when he said it and was mocked by just about everyone for doing so.

 

The 8-8 record would seem to be more accurate than old Brett's opinion, eh? And that was against a pretty cake schedule down the stretch. Unless you think Brett's 2 Int performance in a 9-7 victory over a totally decimated Viqueens squad was a glowing statement about that team's talent? Oh, and for the record, Brett did throw one TD in that game...for Minn.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Which you were obviously wrong about.

 

Really? Youve seen him play for any significant time in the NFL?

 

If I'm spinning, why are you backpeddling so fast?

Not one ounce of backpedaling actually.

 

Indeed it was a good "try" - that me sayng exactly what happened and all. You were ALL OVER ROGERS NUTS.

 

You are usually full of BS...but this is the biggest load of crap ever.

 

 

Then at the time I obliged your request and provided you with the link. Of course they didn't name the source - people like thier jobs in the NFL.

Sho, you waffle so much you should be a politician.

 

You linked to a reporter claiming something that was never backed up anywhere else.

 

Waffle? Nope...pretty much have stuck to the same thing...that I think it was a good pick for that spot.

That he has not really had a chance to do much...but the coaches might see something in him that makes him worth trading away at this point. That Favre may stay long enough that it would be better to get something for Rodgers now while we can.

 

And that was against a pretty cake schedule down the stretch. Unless you think Brett's 2 Int performance in a 9-7 victory over a totally decimated Viqueens squad was a glowing statement about that team's talent? Oh, and for the record, Brett did throw one TD in that game...for Minn.

 

Still mad they beat out those 9ers huh? The schedule was a .500 schedule...pretty average in the league. Want a cake schedule...look at what the Bears played.

And the 9ers played a .500 schedule (opponents record...just like the Packers) yet they could not muster an 8-8 record.

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Really? Youve seen him play for any significant time in the NFL?

 

I don't need to. GB shopping their 1st round QB of the future tells me all I need know about his abilities. The Niners passed on him due to concerns about his ability to learn the offense. The Packers camp rumors were that he wasn't picking up the playbook or game speed.

 

That's more than enough to know he's a wasted pick. The Packers offering him up is the exclamation point on the end of that sentence.

 

 

Still mad they beat out those 9ers huh? The schedule was a .500 schedule...pretty average in the league. Want a cake schedule...look at what the Bears played.

 

on this we agree.

 

And the 9ers played a .500 schedule (opponents record...just like the Packers) yet they could not muster an 8-8 record.

 

Obviously - check my sig.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I don't need to. GB shopping their 1st round QB of the future tells me all I need know about his abilities. The Niners passed on him due to concerns about his ability to learn the offense. The Packers camp rumors were that he wasn't picking up the playbook or game speed.

 

That's more than enough to know he's a wasted pick. The Packers offering him up is the exclamation point on the end of that sentence.

on this we agree.

Obviously - check my sig.

 

Shopping him now...that means I was wrong about what he had at the draft, the spot he was drafted and his overall talent? I don't think so at all. I think at the time circumstances were that Brett would be gone by now and Rodgers would be in there. That has yet to happen. The circumstances changed for sure.

 

Those were the rumors his rookie year...not this past year really...there have been no confirmed reports of him not knowing the offense at this point.

 

Wasted pick? If they get a guy for him, I would not call it wasted...especially with Favre still around.

If he went the way of say Charles Rodgers, Mike Williams, Ahmad Carroll even...I would call it a very wasted pick.

[swamp dog 0]

Shopping him now...that means I was wrong about what he had at the draft, the spot he was drafted and his overall talent? I don't think so at all. I think at the time circumstances were that Brett would be gone by now and Rodgers would be in there. That has yet to happen. The circumstances changed for sure.

 

Those were the rumors his rookie year...not this past year really...there have been no confirmed reports of him not knowing the offense at this point.

 

Wasted pick? If they get a guy for him, I would not call it wasted...especially with Favre still around.

If he went the way of say Charles Rodgers, Mike Williams, Ahmad Carroll even...I would call it a very wasted pick.

 

chuckie and mike have about 8 nfl tds between them. what does rodgers have? your pick hasn't gotten off the bench yet. period. yeah, you've got favre--which means it was even more a dumb pick at the time.

 

like mike williams, the rodgers pick was called DUMB at the time and has proven to be dumb if the packers are already jettisoning him without having ever played. who the fock dumps a round 1 qb without ever having him play?! and don't give me the tired line of "oh, well, favre's going to be here 2 more years." so focking what! how old will rodgers be in 2 years? he should be primed and ready to go at that time *if* he's the guy, which he's clearly not.

 

so please: no more of this "he's expendable because favre is playing longer than we thought" bullshiat. he's expendable because he blows.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

He's a QB, from the Jeff Tefford(?) school, same guy who also taught Harrington. [/i]

 

Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Kyle Boeller, and Rodgers...nothing should say "do not touch" more to a NFL GM than a QB who spent time under the tutelage of Jeff Tedford.

 

 

chuckie and mike have about 8 nfl tds between them. what does rodgers have? your pick hasn't gotten off the bench yet. period.

 

Come on, Chuck Rogers is already done in the league. Rodgers hasn't even gotten a chance to show he is a bust, and he'll never go down as the magnitude of bust that Rogers is b/c of how high Rogers was selected.

 

At least you finally admit FMW was a dumb pick. Congrats.

[swamp dog 0]

Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Kyle Boeller, and Rodgers...nothing should say "do not touch" more to a NFL GM than a QB who spent time under the tutelage of Jeff Tedford.

Come on, Chuck Rogers is already done in the league. Rodgers hasn't even gotten a chance to show he is a bust, and he'll never go down as the magnitude of bust that Rogers is b/c of how high Rogers was selected.

 

At least you finally admit FMW was a dumb pick. Congrats.

 

he's obviously proven to the packers he's a bust if they're trading him away for a guy with nothing left in the tank and no future. my point. thanks for agreeing.