Why no love for Benson?

[TD Ryan2 316]

All due respect, but this is deeply flawed. I've been doing mocks at xpertsports

 

I'm sure that's exactly what you are seeing at xperts, but please realize that different mock sites have slightly different built-in rankings and those rankings greatly effect how the draft goes (many just pick the highest rated guy on their board).

 

Another thing I've found over the years is that mocks (all mocks regardless of site) see the RBs go higher/earlier than you'll see in "real" drafts. Guys like C Palmer, Brady, and McNabb won't last until the late 3rd, early 4th, and 5th rounds like they do in mocks and that alone helps RBs fall.

 

I can't argue with anyone about what exactly will be there for you.

I can only make the point that there are some elite WRs available on the 2/3 turn and a slew of mid-grade RBs available in the mid rnds. Some of those mid-grade RBs may perform better than Benson... even one or two of them may perform better than the consensus top 10.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

I'm sure that's exactly what you are seeing at xperts, but please realize that different mock sites have slightly different built-in rankings and those rankings greatly effect how the draft goes (many just pick the highest rated guy on their board).

 

Another thing I've found over the years is that mocks (all mocks regardless of site) see the RBs go higher/earlier than you'll see in "real" drafts. Guys like C Palmer, Brady, and McNabb won't last until the late 3rd, early 4th, and 5th rounds like they do in mocks and that alone helps RBs fall.

 

I can't argue with anyone about what exactly will be there for you.

I can only make the point that there are some elite WRs available on the 2/3 turn and a slew of mid-grade RBs available in the mid rnds. Some of those mid-grade RBs may perform better than Benson... even one or two of them may perform better than the consensus top 10.

 

I've also been doing them at Antsports and mock central - XPerts have been the most realistic, IMO.

 

But each to their own - your points are taken, I just question the realism/validity. From all the mocks I've seen at all three sites, I've consistently observerd that there are significantly better options at WR in the 4-5 than at RB. None of the RBs there would I entrust to be my RB2 - most of them I'd barely be comfortable with them as a RB3.

 

As the season approaches and people see MBIII, Norwood and others in action, and more is written about them, I think this will be even more the case. JJones is on his last year, and MBIII is the heir apparent. No way he's there in the 5th again - that's where he was drafted by many last year. Likewise with Norwood - with Dunn having surgery, ADP sort of goes out the window. Recent ADP shows him going much higher than say, 2 weeks ago.

 

So again, each to his own especially in terms of draft strategy or philosophy, but I think you're giving advice based on some pretty strong optimism that the players you want will be there when you want them, and in doing so you're limiting your options by painting yourself into a corner. For example, what if when the rubber hits the road and it's no longer a mock, none of those RB options you mentioned are there for you? Do you just punt on RBs? Probably not - you more than likely then pass up a value pick WR in favor of a reach RB.

 

So while I won't tell you how to draft, I will say that having such a set mind on your position by round can have a great chance of limiting your upside and forcing your hand in taking players not because they're the best available, but because they're the best left at a given position that you're targeting.

 

my $.02

[ddies23 0]

There isn't a whole lot to suggest to me that C Benson is going to be a whole lot better than some of those mid-to-late round RB you can grab. Caddy may rip it up again this year. AP is running behind a huge o-line that helped CTaylor to 1500+ yards last year

 

How about the fact that Benson will be getting 300+ carries, is on one of the best teams in the league, and is the lone back in a run first offense? Caddy, "may rip it up"??? I wouldnt consider his 1900 yds and 7 td's over the past two seasons exactly ripping anything up. AP and C Taylor could be a decent option if they werent on the same team.

[NCNickNasty 0]

Adrian Peterson: This years Ladell Betts

[TD Ryan2 316]

How about the fact that Benson will be getting 300+ carries, is on one of the best teams in the league

 

neither of those things are "fact".

Benson may get 300+ carries on a defensive juggernaut that hopes their anemic offense won't blow the game for them.

 

Put Benson on IND, and I'm on board with drafting him... on CHI, not so much.

[Savage Beast 1]

I don't trust the guy to stay healthy this season.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I think one thing you may not be considering is that teams are going to stack up against the run and challenge that retard Grossman to throw the ball. The only reason the Bears got anywhere last year was that they played for the most pathetic division in the weakest conference in the league. They're likely constantly going to be behind and running won't be much of an option then. I think Ced will get plenty of carries, but I wouldn't be looking for many long runs (only had 7 for the entire team last year) or lots of TD's.

 

In short - His biggest weakness isn't him - it's his QB. Put him in a situation where there's least a THREAT of a viable passing game and he'd be a hell of a lot better option.

[mozzy84 0]

In mocks, I've been getting Owens/Holt/Harrison/Wayne in the late 1st (say pick 2.10 out of 12) and then Wayne/Roy Willms/L Fitz in the 2nd (pick 3.03 of 12).

Then, coming back around in the 4th and 5th turn, you can grab 1 or 2 of A Pederson, M Lynch, M Barber, D Williams, C Williams as your #2 RB.

 

If you take M Barber in the 5th, sometimes JJones will fall all the way back to you in the 6th (6.10).

Then, through those 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th rounds you have the opportunity to go after "single RBs" like A Green, J Lewis, and L Jordan... or if you're on the turn (1, 2, or 3 spot), you can grab a tandem with back to back picks (T Bell & K Jones, J Norwood & W Dunn, C Brown & Lendale White).

There isn't a whole lot to suggest to me that C Benson is going to be a whole lot better than some of those mid-to-late round RB you can grab. Caddy may rip it up again this year. AP is running behind a huge o-line that helped CTaylor to 1500+ yards last year

 

your draft could end up like this:

1. stud RB of your choice (you fill in the blank)

2. Owens

3. Roy Williams

4. Caddy

5. A Peterson

6. V Jackson/J Galloway/B Edwards/Kitna/or top tier TE

7. V Jackson/J Galloway/B Edwards/Kitna/or top tier TE

8. C Brown

9 L White

I am pretty positive in any of my leagues no way green or lewis will be there come round 6. and the other bolded guy I just don't feel that comfy with as my #2. I like this better than what you wrote.

1.stud rb

2. benson.

3.owens/roy

4driver/housh/walker

5.ad/barber/lewis or even ward/branch/brown here

 

I don't like the rotating of my #2 rb at all if I don't have to, I would much rather play matchups with a wide out, and personally think benson should be a whole lot better than those guys listed. alot of those guys have HUGE question marks around them, the only question mark I see with benson is him staying healthy and that can be said about every rb, everyone ranks guys different I guess.

[mozzy84 0]

I think one thing you may not be considering is that teams are going to stack up against the run and challenge that retard Grossman to throw the ball. The only reason the Bears got anywhere last year was that they played for the most pathetic division in the weakest conference in the league. They're likely constantly going to be behind and running won't be much of an option then. I think Ced will get plenty of carries, but I wouldn't be looking for many long runs (only had 7 for the entire team last year) or lots of TD's.

 

In short - His biggest weakness isn't him - it's his QB. Put him in a situation where there's least a THREAT of a viable passing game and he'd be a hell of a lot better option.

my vikes had a crap qb last year and taylor got stats anyways, with shotty o-line play and playcalling on top of it. if a guy is getting carries he will get stats, especially with a good defense. they still play in that pathetic divsion and crap conference plus there schedule looks just as easy this year to me anyways.

[HenryChinaski 1]

I think one thing you may not be considering is that teams are going to stack up against the run and challenge that retard Grossman to throw the ball. The only reason the Bears got anywhere last year was that they played for the most pathetic division in the weakest conference in the league. They're likely constantly going to be behind and running won't be much of an option then. I think Ced will get plenty of carries, but I wouldn't be looking for many long runs (only had 7 for the entire team last year) or lots of TD's.

 

In short - His biggest weakness isn't him - it's his QB. Put him in a situation where there's least a THREAT of a viable passing game and he'd be a hell of a lot better option.

 

I don't see this years Chicago team to be any different than last years.

 

Their division looks to be pretty much the same as well.

 

So I'm not sure why you think that their running game will suffer, more than it is.

 

Also to remember, Cedric Benson and Thomas Jones combined for 19TDs last year. 19. So I'm not sure why you said not to expect lots of TDs.

 

He is a very, very good short yardage back. His short yardage numbers from last year, prove that.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

I am pretty positive in any of my leagues no way green or lewis will be there come round 6. and the other bolded guy I just don't feel that comfy with as my #2. I like this better than what you wrote.

1.stud rb

2. benson.

3.owens/roy

4driver/housh/walker

5.ad/barber/lewis or even ward/branch/brown here

 

I don't like the rotating of my #2 rb at all if I don't have to, I would much rather play matchups with a wide out, and personally think benson should be a whole lot better than those guys listed. alot of those guys have HUGE question marks around them, the only question mark I see with benson is him staying healthy and that can be said about every rb, everyone ranks guys different I guess.

 

100% agreed with this post.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

He is a very, very good short yardage back. His short yardage numbers from last year, prove that.

 

Benson had 2X the TDs in half the carries of TJones. Everyone's on TJ's jock in NYJ this year and Benson gets no respect.

 

I'd be willing to bet that Benson out-performs TJones this year.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I don't see this years Chicago team to be any different than last years.

 

Their division looks to be pretty much the same as well.

 

So I'm not sure why you think that their running game will suffer, more than it is.

 

Also to remember, Cedric Benson and Thomas Jones combined for 19TDs last year. 19. So I'm not sure why you said not to expect lots of TDs.

 

He is a very, very good short yardage back. His short yardage numbers from last year, prove that.

 

 

For one thing, you're counting in 5 TD's from post season.

 

Jones and Benson combined for 12 TD's last year in a rushing offense that was ranked right in the middle of the NFL. They ranked 24th in the league for YPC.

 

So, even if you assume the best case scenario in which the team varies not one bit and Benson gets all of the TD's that he would've split with Jones last year, you're still getting a RB with just as many TD's as Rudi Johnson. Now, factor in the much harder schedule of a SB team and the fact that the entire NFC has been game-planning against them, the loss of one of thier best players and a mediocre draft at best, I'm not so much seeing him as anything more than a 3rd rounder.

[HenryChinaski 1]

For one thing, you're counting in 5 TD's from post season.

 

Jones and Benson combined for 12 TD's last year in a rushing offense that was ranked right in the middle of the NFL. They ranked 24th in the league for YPC.

 

So, even if you assume the best case scenario in which the team varies not one bit and Benson gets all of the TD's that he would've split with Jones last year, you're still getting a RB with just as many TD's as Rudi Johnson. Now, factor in the much harder schedule of a SB team and the fact that the entire NFC has been game-planning against them, the loss of one of thier best players and a mediocre draft at best, I'm not so much seeing him as anything more than a 3rd rounder.

 

Oops.. My bad. I was thinking of Dillon and Maroney combined for 19TDs.

 

Benson and Thomas Jones combined for 1900 yards, not TDs.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

For one thing, you're counting in 5 TD's from post season.

 

Jones and Benson combined for 12 TD's last year in a rushing offense that was ranked right in the middle of the NFL. They ranked 24th in the league for YPC.

 

So, even if you assume the best case scenario in which the team varies not one bit and Benson gets all of the TD's that he would've split with Jones last year, you're still getting a RB with just as many TD's as Rudi Johnson. Now, factor in the much harder schedule of a SB team and the fact that the entire NFC has been game-planning against them, the loss of one of thier best players and a mediocre draft at best, I'm not so much seeing him as anything more than a 3rd rounder.

 

 

Uh, except that Rudi plays in the tough AFC and Benson in the easy NFC...

 

and what tough schedule of a superbowl team? the Bears look to have a middle of the road schedule.

 

But regardless, I sure hope everyone believes this when it comes time for me to draft, as if I can pair LT with Benson AND get a top 5 WR I will pwn my league this year.

[Gepetto 1,368]

I am pretty positive in any of my leagues no way green or lewis will be there come round 6. and the other bolded guy I just don't feel that comfy with as my #2. I like this better than what you wrote.

1.stud rb

2. benson.

3.owens/roy

4driver/housh/walker

5.ad/barber/lewis or even ward/branch/brown here

 

I don't like the rotating of my #2 rb at all if I don't have to, I would much rather play matchups with a wide out, and personally think benson should be a whole lot better than those guys listed. alot of those guys have HUGE question marks around them, the only question mark I see with benson is him staying healthy and that can be said about every rb, everyone ranks guys different I guess.

 

In real drafts I"ve been in and seen, those players you list in the 4th and 5th are not available.

[Walter34 3]

neither of those things are "fact".

Benson may get 300+ carries on a defensive juggernaut that hopes their anemic offense won't blow the game for them.

 

Put Benson on IND, and I'm on board with drafting him... on CHI, not so much.

 

TD - you need to take a step back and consider the numbers:

 

2006 Colts - 439-1762-17

2006 Bears - 503-1918-14

 

The team actually gives Benson more opportunity than the Colts, an obvious pass first offence.

 

Benson is a latre bloomer and hasnt performed so far for a number of reasons:

• Holdout in his rookie year
  Exceptional play by TJ
  Minor Injurys that have limited his opportunities
  Lack of blocking and pass receiving skills in his initial season
  

 

He has matured quite a bit since his rookie year, TJ is gone and Benson has improved his overall game. In watching all of the Bears games, it is apparent that he has the burst and "runs downhill" as they say. He is very powerful and has the young energetic legs.

 

The Bears also have one of the best olines in the game and there is no reason to think they wont run 475+ times again this year. Injury is the only legitimate concern, but that concern is valid for every player in the league.

 

1300 rush yds, 180 rec yds, 10 total TDs. A solid pick in the mid-late 2nd round. More FF points than just about every WR.

[TD Ryan2 316]

1300 rush yds, 180 rec yds, 10 total TDs. A solid pick in the mid-late 2nd round. More FF points than just about every WR.

 

Wally, it's not just about Benson here for me (though IMO, he's earned the criticism he gets about being immature and soft). But it's also about that whole group of RBs that are available late 2nd early 3rd (Benson, Portis, MJD, Thomas Jones).

 

In a start 3WR, PPR league, would you really take Benson over an elite WR there? Would you take any of those RB over an elite WR there?

In the mocks I've done, I find that my roster pans out better if I take the 2 elite WRs in the late 2nd, early 3rd, and then stock up on mid round RBs.

[mozzy84 0]

In real drafts I"ve been in and seen, those players you list in the 4th and 5th are not available.

the real draft we just did on this site had all those guys go in those rounds (walker did go late third), I realize it depends on the draft, those exact guys could be gone or you could end up with any of them depending on the draft.

[ddies23 0]

I think one thing you may not be considering is that teams are going to stack up against the run and challenge that retard Grossman to throw the ball. The only reason the Bears got anywhere last year was that they played for the most pathetic division in the weakest conference in the league. They're likely constantly going to be behind and running won't be much of an option then. I think Ced will get plenty of carries, but I wouldn't be looking for many long runs (only had 7 for the entire team last year) or lots of TD's.

 

In short - His biggest weakness isn't him - it's his QB. Put him in a situation where there's least a THREAT of a viable passing game and he'd be a hell of a lot better option.

 

 

I completely disagree with this. I realize Grossman had some really, really bad games...but, he still threw 23 td's. The Bears tied for the second best scoring offense in the league last year, averaging 26.7 ppg. Having a WR like Berrien to strech the field and the addition of one of the fastest tight ends in the league in Olsen, not to mention Hester now is going to be used a little on offense, I think that we can consider that a THREAT in the passing game.

And as far as your comment about "constantly being behind and running wont be much of an option"...that's just dumb. The Bears have the best defense in the league. The were 3rd last season only giving up 15.9 ppg!

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

In a start 3WR, PPR league, would you really take Benson over an elite WR there? Would you take any of those RB over an elite WR there?

 

Since you're talking about the back end of the 2nd round, the answer is yes, all day, every day. Benson over all the other backs you mentioned, and absolutely over any WR on the board here as you'll get a WR 3-6 picks later. The dropoff at RB in those 6 picks is potentially huge and the dropoff at WR is marginal.

 

No brainer.

[TD Ryan2 316]

the real draft we just did on this site had all those guys go in those rounds (walker did go late third), I realize it depends on the draft, those exact guys could be gone or you could end up with any of them depending on the draft.

 

 

 

it is impossible to speculate EXACTLY who will go where... but I just did another mock (part of my Reggie Bush/J Addai @ #3 Experiment) and here's what I came up with:

 

12 teams

 

1.03: R Bush

2.10 T Owens

3.03 Roy Williams

4.10 MBIII

5.03 JJones

6.10 T Bell

7.03 K Jones

8.10 V Young

9.03 SD Defense

10.10 B Watson

11.03 I Bruce

12.10 Reggie Williams

13.03 Eric Johnson

14.10 Marty Booker

15.03 Jason Hanson

 

I'd be pretty happy if that's the lineup I ended up with in a PPR/3WR league.

[TD Ryan2 316]

The dropoff at RB in those 6 picks is potentially huge and the dropoff at WR is marginal.

 

this is where we disagree.

 

I believe there are many #2 caliber RB available in the mid/later rounds and at/around Plaxico, the value or WRs plummets

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

 

it is impossible to speculate EXACTLY who will go where... but I just did another mock (part of my Reggie Bush/J Addai @ #3 Experiment) and here's what I came up with:

 

12 teams

 

1.03: R Bush

2.10 T Owens

3.03 Roy Williams

4.10 MBIII

5.03 JJones

6.10 T Bell

7.03 K Jones

8.10 V Young

9.03 SD Defense

10.10 B Watson

11.03 I Bruce

12.10 Reggie Williams

13.03 Eric Johnson

14.10 Marty Booker

15.03 Jason Hanson

 

I'd be pretty happy if that's the lineup I ended up with in a PPR/3WR league.

 

 

I wouldn't. You spent 2 high picks (4-5) on a single running back. Unless you're planning on running out both MBIII and JJones? You reached for Kevin Jones bigtime and Tatum Bell is going to be marginal at best. In a "start 3 WR" format you keep talking about, you have 2 viable starters in Owens/RWilliams and your WR3 is uh, Isaac Bruce? Reggie Williams? Terrible.

 

So you now have a mediocre RB2, and moreover you have to guess correctly every week to get production out of the position (though MBIII is your best bet) your WR corps stinks despite going "stud WR" and beyond MBIII I don't see a single value pick on this roster.

 

Sorry, no offense - my $.02

 

By comparison, my recent mocks have netted me the following from the 1 spot (% = frequency player was available):

1.01 LT

2.12 Benson (85%)/TJones (80%)/BJacobs (100%)

3.01 Harrison (80%)/Holt (75%)/Wayne (90%)/Owens (80%)

4.12 Reggie Brown

5.01 Jamal Lewis

6.12 Marc Bulger

7.01 Vernon Davis

8.12 Mark Clayton

9.01 Jericho Crochery

 

I'd take any combination of the available 9 picks listed + 6 rounds of crap over the entire roster you posted, even if you somehow got LT at 1.03

[Henwah 1]

I wouldn't. You spent 2 high picks (4-5) on a single running back. Unless you're planning on running out both MBIII and JJones? You reached for Kevin Jones bigtime and Tatum Bell is going to be marginal at best. In a "start 3 WR" format you keep talking about, you have 2 viable starters in Owens/RWilliams and your WR3 is uh, Isaac Bruce? Reggie Williams? Terrible.

 

So you now have a mediocre RB2, and moreover you have to guess correctly every week to get production out of the position (though MBIII is your best bet) your WR corps stinks despite going "stud WR" and beyond MBIII I don't see a single value pick on this roster.

 

Sorry, no offense - my $.02

 

By comparison, my recent mocks have netted me the following from the 1 spot (% = frequency player was available):

1.01 LT

2.12 Benson (85%)/TJones (80%)/BJacobs (100%)

3.01 Harrison (80%)/Holt (75%)/Wayne (90%)/Owens (80%)

4.12 Reggie Brown

5.01 Jamal Lewis

6.12 Marc Bulger

7.01 Vernon Davis

8.12 Mark Clayton

9.01 Jericho Crochery

 

I'd take any combination of the available 9 picks listed + 6 rounds of crap over the entire roster you posted, even if you somehow got LT at 1.03

 

Scoot,

 

I know it's off the point of this thread, but I'm just surprised to see Bulger at 6.12, when at antsports, they've got him in their real drafts at 4.10 with a latest single selection of 5.12? Just wondering?

[TD Ryan2 316]

1.01 LT

2.12 Benson (85%)/TJones (80%)/BJacobs (100%)

3.01 Harrison (80%)/Holt (75%)/Wayne (90%)/Owens (80%)

4.12 Reggie Brown

5.01 Jamal Lewis

6.12 Marc Bulger

7.01 Vernon Davis

8.12 Mark Clayton

9.01 Jericho Crochery

 

you'll be trying to choose which mediocre WRs to play week in and week out.

You have no RB depth and even failed to grab Turner as LT insurance.

Jamal Lewis? no thanks.

 

Vernon Davis is great, but rarely do I see him last until the late 6th, 7th round.

 

you have filled out a roster with mediocrity and are all happy about it because you got "value" according to some cheat sheet.

 

no thanks.

[ddies23 0]

you'll be trying to choose which mediocre WRs to play week in and week out.

You have no RB depth and even failed to grab Turner as LT insurance.

Jamal Lewis? no thanks.

 

Vernon Davis is great, but rarely do I see him last until the late 6th, 7th round.

 

you have filled out a roster with mediocrity and are all happy about it because you got "value" according to some cheat sheet.

 

no thanks.

 

 

You get Tomlinson, Benson, and either Harrison or Owens you are going to be very hard to beat. You put a Brady or Bulger with that, not to mention a TE like V Davis and the the Bears D...who cares about a 2nd WR.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

Scoot,

 

I know it's off the point of this thread, but I'm just surprised to see Bulger at 6.12, when at antsports, they've got him in their real drafts at 4.10 with a latest single selection of 5.12? Just wondering?

 

 

No offense taken - that was from the XPerts drafts and mock draft central - WCOFF format. People ALL seem to do the QB freefall. Last year at the WCOFF I had McNabb in the 7th. PManning went early 3rd round, and the next QB off the board was Palmer in the late 5th.

 

Bulger was there for me at the end of the 6th in 80% of the mocks I did. I decided that this year if there's value there I'll reach a little for a passer since everyone else follows the free-fall trend. If not Bulger though there were always solid top 5 options at QB in the 6-7 turn.

 

Free-fall is the preferred style at WCOFF - probably because it's really taken off as a philosophy for one, but also because it's a 4 pt PaTD format, with PPR, 3 WRs and Flex.

[Walter34 3]

 

it is impossible to speculate EXACTLY who will go where... but I just did another mock (part of my Reggie Bush/J Addai @ #3 Experiment) and here's what I came up with:

 

12 teams

 

1.03: R Bush

2.10 T Owens

3.03 Roy Williams

4.10 MBIII

5.03 JJones

6.10 T Bell

7.03 K Jones

8.10 V Young

9.03 SD Defense

10.10 B Watson

11.03 I Bruce

12.10 Reggie Williams

13.03 Eric Johnson

14.10 Marty Booker

15.03 Jason Hanson

 

I'd be pretty happy if that's the lineup I ended up with in a PPR/3WR league.

 

The problem I see here is that you had to burn 4 premium picks between rounds 4-7 in order to feel comfortale with your RB2. You have 2 RBBCs that you will need to decide on each week for 1 spot. The cost was losing out on a premium QB and TE.

 

So while your WR2 is a stud, you lost out at 2 other key positions in doing so. How much better is one of those WRs than a 4th or 5th round WR?

 

If you could have a top 5 qb along with Benson/TJ/MJD and a 5th round WR, I think you would have a better overall starting lineup.

 

Throwing in a PPR and 3 WR start requirement is a consideration that you didnt mention in the previous post, so that is definately a point in favour of the 2 stud WR route.

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

out of curiosity, how old is that quote? I just read something recently that said he came into camp with a whole new attitude this year. He's reportedly in outstanding physical condition and has been very mature.

 

Again - I wasn't there so I don't know, but that quote looks like it might be from last year because it's totally out of synch with what I've been seeing recently.

 

For example, a quick google brought up this:

 

Sorry I didn't replay earlier. The quote is less than 10 days old. I think there is a lot of baiting the press does but Benson bites everytime.

 

A candid Cedric Benson says he felt singled out, still doesn't trust a few teammates

 

July 29, 2007

BY MIKE MULLIGAN | mmulligan@suntimes.com

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

you'll be trying to choose which mediocre WRs to play week in and week out.

You have no RB depth and even failed to grab Turner as LT insurance.

Jamal Lewis? no thanks.

 

Vernon Davis is great, but rarely do I see him last until the late 6th, 7th round.

 

you have filled out a roster with mediocrity and are all happy about it because you got "value" according to some cheat sheet.

 

no thanks.

 

Mediocre WR? I have two #1 options.

 

Mediocrity? Tomlinson, Harrison & Benson? Vernon Davis? as for Davis lasting, again - WCOFF. TEs generally don't go that early. VD was the 3rd off the board after Gates & TGonz.

 

Jamal Lewis is a RB3/FL player and just fine in that role.

 

As for Turner as "LT insurance" I am drafting to win, not to be safe. I refuse to spend anything more than a 10th round pick on a backup. In most of these mocks Turner went in the early 7th which means I'd be grabbing him at the 6-7 turn. No thanks. If Turner were there in the 8-9 spot I'd be tempted to take a shot, but it would com at the expense of a WR.

 

As for the "value" - these were according to MY projections and cheat sheet, and I believe I got excellent value. You & I obviously rank players vastly differently, but that's ok - each to his own. I pray I have 11 people who think like you in my league so I can rape & pillage all the "perceived value" - IMO they are genuinely solid value picks.

 

But the real difference between your draft philosophy and mine is that I have flexibility to take best available since the core of my team is rock solid with 2 top RBs and 1 top WR, while you handcuff yourself into taking mediocre RBs in the 5-6-7 rounds hoping to turn crap into gold at the expense of depth on the rest of your roster.

 

As for depth, I was also able to stack up on upside Rbs later...Betts was sitting there in the 10th, JJones in the 11th, Phillip Rivers in the 12th, and many other backup options. But I'd MUCH rather have a solid starting lineup and be a little shy on depth than build a deep team of mediocre players like you seem to prefer.

 

Again, each to his own. I'll respect your position and wish you the best of luck.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

You get Tomlinson, Benson, and either Harrison or Owens you are going to be very hard to beat. You put a Brady or Bulger with that, not to mention a TE like V Davis and the the Bears D...who cares about a 2nd WR.

 

'Zactly.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

The problem I see here is that you had to burn 4 premium picks between rounds 4-7 in order to feel comfortale with your RB2. You have 2 RBBCs that you will need to decide on each week for 1 spot. The cost was losing out on a premium QB and TE.

 

So while your WR2 is a stud, you lost out at 2 other key positions in doing so. How much better is one of those WRs than a 4th or 5th round WR?

 

If you could have a top 5 qb along with Benson/TJ/MJD and a 5th round WR, I think you would have a better overall starting lineup.

Throwing in a PPR and 3 WR start requirement is a consideration that you didnt mention in the previous post, so that is definately a point in favour of the 2 stud WR route.

 

You echo a lot of my sentiments here Walter.

 

The bolded part is where I disagree...if anything I think PPR makes it easier to wait on WRs and stack up on #2 options later...while others scramble to grab up WRs in the 2nd-3rd rounds you can grab RBs, and then while they (like TD Ryan) are scrambling to pick up sucky RBBC RBs in the 4-5-6 in desperation, you can grab the Reggie Brown, Coles, Chambers, etc type upside #2 WRs who won't be much of a drop-off.

 

PPR is something of a fool's gold approach to strategy...it's like the 4 pt passing TDs Vs 6 pt passing Tds debate. All QBs benefit from it, so it's only a matter of a couple points a game. Likewise, the difference between a top 10 WR and a 11-20 WR is somewhere around 20 receptions a year - 20 points, less than 2/game in terms of the PPR factor. But since you start 3, you have a better chance of playing the right one week to week compared to the start 2 format.

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

Adrian Peterson: This years Ladell Betts

 

If you are talking about the Bears AP, this is the post of the thread. Expect just shy of 200 carries for Peterson. The way the Bears ran the offense last year, RBs get the entire series, not just a set of downs here or there. Peterson will come out for a series some time in the second quarter and again in the third. Don't under estimate the Bears offensive production capability this year. They have added a lot of weapons, chief among them Greg Olsen, and will move the ball effectively this year. Peterson has been nothing but effective in his limited work. If Benson turns out to be a Fred Taylor, it will be Peterson, not Wolfe, who gets the ball.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

If you are talking about the Bears AP, this is the post of the thread. Expect just shy of 200 carries for Peterson. The way the Bears ran the offense last year, RBs get the entire series, not just a set of downs here or there. Peterson will come out for a series some time in the second quarter and again in the third. Don't under estimate the Bears offensive production capability this year. They have added a lot of weapons, chief among them Greg Olsen, and will move the ball effectively this year. Peterson has been nothing but effective in his limited work. If Benson turns out to be a Fred Taylor, it will be Peterson, not Wolfe, who gets the ball.

 

Yet another reason I love Benson - his handcuff (who could have occasional starting value) can be had LATE - I mentioned this in my 1st post on the subject I believe....11th round or later.

 

Talented enough to take over if needs be....not a threat to do so as long as Benson is healthy & productive.

[Henwah 1]

No offense taken - that was from the XPerts drafts and mock draft central - WCOFF format. People ALL seem to do the QB freefall. Last year at the WCOFF I had McNabb in the 7th. PManning went early 3rd round, and the next QB off the board was Palmer in the late 5th.

 

Bulger was there for me at the end of the 6th in 80% of the mocks I did. I decided that this year if there's value there I'll reach a little for a passer since everyone else follows the free-fall trend. If not Bulger though there were always solid top 5 options at QB in the 6-7 turn.

 

Free-fall is the preferred style at WCOFF - probably because it's really taken off as a philosophy for one, but also because it's a 4 pt PaTD format, with PPR, 3 WRs and Flex.

Ah... thanks. Totally makes sense in that format. To all others, sorry to get off the point, just wanted to be sure that I wasn't missing something.

[ddies23 0]

I wanted to bring this back in because I just read that we probably wont be seeing a whole lot of Benson in the preseason games and wanted to get some more feedback. The buzz is that he has been exceptional. The linebackers were saying how hard Benson was to takle with his running style.

[Pimptaddy 0]

Benson will be a sleeper this year. He is worthy of being a #2 RB. He will put up nice stats and be a good player this year. Seriously, is Rex going to carry the Bears? It will fall to Benson.

[ddies23 0]

Benson will be a sleeper this year. He is worthy of being a #2 RB. He will put up nice stats and be a good player this year. Seriously, is Rex going to carry the Bears? It will fall to Benson.

 

 

As bad as Grossman was at times last season, he still threw 23 TD's and took them to the Super Bowl. I know a lot of people will say that the defense got them there, not Rex, and I would'nt completely disagree, but at the same time, the defense wasnt running the offense, Rex was. I know of 30 other qb's that didnt make it to the Super Bowl and a majority of those that didnt throw 23 touchdowns either. With the injuries that have cut his first few seasons short, ast season was basically his rookie year...not to bad in my opinion. He will improve. Anyway, I didnt mean to turn this into a Grossman topic.

 

I do agree with you that they will rely heavily on the run to limit some of Grossmans mistakes, and Benson is the guy that will get the 20-25 carries every game. It's hard to imagine that he wont put up at least 13-1400 yds and 10-12 touchdowns. Those are Rudi Johnson #'s and he goes in the first round!

[Kitsnow 0]

Jacobs > Benson

 

It's a gut feeling.