Really starting to like Jason Whitlock

[wiffleball 4,789]

5. If Michael Vick never returns to the NFL, he needs to rent himself out to TV and radio talk-show hosts as a prop

The latest person to cash in on Vick's misfortune is Whoopi Goldberg, the newest member of "The View." Whoopi played the "cultural-upbringing card" when trying to explain (not excuse) Vick's involvement in dogfighting.

 

Here's my problem with the "cultural-upbringing card" as it relates to Vick and dogfighting. It used to be part of Southern culture to hang black men from trees because there was a rumor that we may have made eye contact with a white woman. It used to be part of Southern culture to burn crosses, torch churches and kill black people because black people wanted to vote, sit in the front of the bus, take a sip of water and a shot at a decent education.

 

No one I knew was all that interested in understanding that part of Southern culture. We just wanted it to change. Vick's culture needs to change. I'm not comparing dogfighting to the mistreatment and abuse of human beings. There's no comparison. I'm saying you don't need to understand someone's culture to recognize and reject cruel/criminal behavior.

 

 

 

Kudos to Bert for finding this. Whitlock's got some good chit.

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He had a recent article about the Rutgers chick suing Imus. Kicked her - and Vivian Stringer too - squarely in the ass. It was pretty awesome.

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Countdown until he gets called an Uncle Tom.

 

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[Bert 1,128]

Whitlock's got some good chit.

 

His chit is he tells the truth.

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His chit is he tells the truth.

 

That's a foreign concept in the media. Kudos to him for speaking truth.

[Me_2006 14]

Love Whitlock. Actually the reason I watched Oprah. He was on for the Imus episode. It was him and Russell Simmons and Al Sharpton and a bunch of other people (blacks and whites) and Whitlock continually laid the smack down on every last one of them. He's the only person I've ever seen make Al Sharpton shut up.

 

Plus, he knows sports too. I really feel like he's wasting his talents/ideas on sports though. He could do bigger things.

 

Much love for the big guy.

[Mephisto 15]

He's just an Uncle Tom parroting the the whitey agenda because he works for "the man" - the white-controlled media in this country.

 

Jason Whitlock ain't "keepin' it rahyul."

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Whitlock, like me is a Ball State grad. A friend, who was the QB at Ball State told me Whitlock is pretty racist against whites. Maybe he's toning it down?

[wiffleball 4,789]

that wrestler guy that killed himself, wife and kid isn't discussed as much or with as much hostility. shoot, aren't they blaming drugs for what he did?

 

...The difference (one of many) is that unlke the blacks, damn few white people bent over backwards to

 

1) Deny that he killed his family.

2) Claim that he was being set up by 'the man'.

3) Cry about a "rush to judgement".

4) Try to excuse his heinous actions as "part of our culture" and

5) When the liars and deniars had nothing else, then try to sweep it under the rug like you keep trying to do.

 

See, when white guys (Lay, Skilling, Benoit, Scott Peterson, etc) fock up, we're the first to criticize and condemn their crimes.

 

Whereas 'black culture' Denies, Denies, Denies, then when forced to face the truth, Minimizes, minimizes, minimizes, justifies, justifies, justifies...

 

- And you wonder why more black men are in prisons than in college. If your own culture celebrates crime and makes heroes and martyrs of criminals, what kind of a chance does a kid have?

[Mephisto 15]

as far as whitlock is concerned, he's not an uncle tom to me, but there is no need to bash whoopi. she clearly was not defending him. sympathetic maybe in her trying to explain the cause but surely not excusing what he did.

 

Did you actually see what she said? SAYING THAT HE DIDN'T REALIZE OR OTHERWISE LAY THE BLAME AT BLACK/SOUTHERN CULTURE IS EXCUSE-MAKING AND DEFENDING (to some degree) VICK'S ACTIONS.

 

She, and anyone else who says, "Well, it's a black thing" or "Well, it's a southern thing" or "Well, it's an urban thing" IS OFFERING AN EXCUSE AS TO WHY HE ENGAGED IN a criminal enterprise that got their jollies abusing, torturing, and killing animals.

 

She is excusing what he did. It's the classic, It's wrong... BUT... in action.

 

instead of quoting a man who is being rewarded and moving up the ladder for agreeing with those that will butter his bread why not quote what whoopi had to say about the matter?

 

Why not you before claiming she didn't defend what he did. Granted, she didn't say he was "not guilty of a crime" - but she justified his actions with the "culture card."

[wiffleball 4,789]

Bottom line on the red herring of an 'excuse' vs an 'explanation' is this:

 

"I'm saying you don't need to understand someone's culture to recognize and reject cruel/criminal behavior."

 

From Whitlock. Pretty focking simple.

[Me_2006 14]

fyi, southern culture does not equal black culture.

fyi, whoopi is a total ###### and tried to backtrack for taking up for Vick. If culture was an excuse, we wouldn't have national laws because different parts of the country have different cultures. I don't think he necessarily meant southern culture was black culture, I think he meant that dog fighting is predominantly a southern thing. After living here and knowing people who fight dogs, chickens, other people, I'd have to say I agree.

[Me_2006 14]

she said she wasn't excusing nor condoning his behavior.

you and others are putting words into her mouth.

she knows what the hell she meant.

since when does whoopi or many other blacks in the media need to change their story for the public?

there are a whole lotta black people that don't give a good got damn about what anybody thinks.

She made that statement at a later time, AFTER all of the national publicity about it. If she's going to make remarks that make her look stupid, and then try to backtrack on them, she obviously cares what the media thinks of her. Since she's a member of the media and all. Why the hell does it matter what color she is? "A whole lotta black people.."? WTF? Who cares if she's white or black or korean or whatever? She said something stupid and got ripped for it. Then she tucked her tail between her legs and tried to say it wasn't what she meant. Does it always have to be about the race of the person that says something with you? Isn't that the exact opposite of equality? Aren't you supposed to be seen for the kind of person you are, not the color of your skin? If so, why does it matter what color someone is? Cause she came out and said that it was a part of black culture. If Imus had said "those damn darkies don't know any better. set Vick free" what would your reaction to that have been? Would you have said "he's insulting black culture and saying we're stupid and don't know the laws and that we're primitive and violent and abusive to our animals."? Cause that's basically what Whoopi said. She basically said because he grew up with black culture, that he didnt know any better. Is it okay because she looks like Lil' Jon? Cause it sounds to me like that's what you're saying.

 

Great point.

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fyi, jason whitlock is black.

 

 

No ###### sherlock. Yer just swinging blindly now? How the fock is that relevant my responding to your post? Whitlock's already refuting the nonsense of 'black culture' - while the overall black community did not - that's the whole point.

[Me_2006 14]

she never said anything about black culture you did.

she said southern culture which does not equal black culture.

once again, she wasn't condoning nor excuse his behavior.

You still never replied to my post where I asked you why she changed her stance if "black people don't care what the media thinks".

 

Also, you think she really meant Southern Culture? Virginia isn't that far south the last time I checked. He didn't grow up with a bunch of folks from Alabama.

 

 

Does ANYONE on this board answer questions, or is dodging, ignoring, etc really that much more fun?

 

Btw, don't necessarily mean you there, Peenie. It's been like that with basically everyone I've debated with on this board. BLS and Sho Nuff get honorable mention for the most part though. May not always agree, but at least they bring facts to back up their opinions.

[Mephisto 15]

she said she wasn't excusing nor condoning his behavior.

 

While excusing his behavior. Like I said, it was classic, "BUT" speak. If you say, "I'm not excusing or condoning his behavior" and then offer an excuse... you're excusing and condoning (or in some way - justifying why he did it).

 

Peenie is wrong. Whoopi is wrong. Vick is wrong. End of thread. Thank you.