NFL Force out rule?

[badmonkey 0]

I read in the fantasy football index that the NFL is doing away with the force out rule. I read this to mean that defensive players can just shove WR's out before they hit the ground. It seems to me that this takes away alot of sideline routes and endzone jump balls. Did I misread this or are WR (and QBs) going to suffer greatly this year in both yardage and TDs?

[listen2me 23 1,825]

I read in the fantasy football index that the NFL is doing away with the force out rule. I read this to mean that defensive players can just shove WR's out before they hit the ground. It seems to me that this takes away alot of sideline routes and endzone jump balls. Did I misread this or are WR (and QBs) going to suffer greatly this year in both yardage and TDs?

 

Old news, but I doubt it will it effect them greatly....some? Maybe...

 

Nothing to worry about.

[famousb 11]

i actually want to know what happens if DBs start catching WRs in mid-air and carrying them OB... you could argue he's IB because the DB's feet are IB, but at the same time, a runner isn't down if his knee hits someone else who's down, so the same shouldn't apply to WRs.

[FantasyKing 4]

i actually want to know what happens if DBs start catching WRs in mid-air and carrying them OB... you could argue he's IB because the DB's feet are IB, but at the same time, a runner isn't down if his knee hits someone else who's down, so the same shouldn't apply to WRs.

 

 

That is exactly what I've been wondering, I can see a lot of arguments coming out of this rule change.

[Phurfur 70]

i actually want to know what happens if DBs start catching WRs in mid-air and carrying them OB... you could argue he's IB because the DB's feet are IB, but at the same time, a runner isn't down if his knee hits someone else who's down, so the same shouldn't apply to WRs.

 

 

There is a prevision in the rules for "carry out". The DB can knock a player OB but they cannot carry him out. The rule just eliminates the judgment call - if the WR would have come down in bounds if he had not been hit.

 

Do a search on this topic it was discussed in depth a few months ago.

[famousb 11]

There is a prevision in the rules for "carry out". The DB can knock a player OB but they cannot carry him out. The rule just eliminates the judgment call - if the WR would have come down in bounds if he had not been hit.

 

Do search this topic was discussed in depth a few months ago.

i know it was discussed in-depth already...

 

and the provision for "carry out" does eliminate one judgment call, but it only opens up another one. when is it carrying, and when is it pushing? i can think of numerous situations in which there would need to be a judgment made by the official.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

i know it was discussed in-depth already...

 

and the provision for "carry out" does eliminate one judgment call, but it only opens up another one. when is it carrying, and when is it pushing? i can think of numerous situations in which there would need to be a judgment made by the official.

 

Holding a guy in the air isn't anywhere close to having 2 hands on a guy and pushing him. i don't see how it would create much problem.

 

I'm just gald they did away with that dumb rule. Let the players play D.

[49ers_suck 0]

good riddance!! DB's need all the help they can get, imo. this is a step in the right direction.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

good riddance!! DB's need all the help they can get, imo. this is a step in the right direction.

 

Absolutely.

 

What it will do is give the DBs a chance to kill WRs. Instead of trying to break up a sideline pass, you're gonna see DBs hit WRs right in the small of the back.

 

They should be playing the man, anyways. This gives them added incentive to do their jobs properly.

[FlaHawker 24]

I read in the fantasy football index that the NFL is doing away with the force out rule.

When the refs can't do their jobs the NFL either does away with a rule or changes the interpretation

[Killer Elite 0]

How I see this affecting Fantasey Football is that the fade jump ball to WRs like TO, Randy Moss, Driver, and Chambers wont be affective. So I would expect less TDs for the big guys and more for the quick agile guys. So maybe players like Steve Smith and Santana Moss' value goes up??

 

 

But what do I know.. it will be somthing to watch in PreSeason.

[Phurfur 70]

When the refs can't do their jobs the NFL either does away with a rule or changes the interpretation

 

 

Or maybe they are just getting rid of a bad rule.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

How ridiculous was it to have the Off benifit from landing out of bounds? And how the DB was helpless on the sidelines, if he pushes him out the ref could say "well he would have been in" and if he lets the WR catch it he dpesn't do his job. Its hard enough to follow a WR around the field without knowing where he is headed. CB is the toughest position to play outside of maybe QB. Real glad this rule is out. Pathetic that a rule even existed where a ref can simulate the play in his head to determine what SHOULD have happened. It was a joke...

[FlaHawker 24]

Or maybe they are just getting rid of a bad rule.

Of course it was a bad rule, eighth grade sewickley

[b.j. booker 0]

the fade jump ball to WRs like TO, Randy Moss, Driver, and Chambers wont be affective. So I would expect less TDs for the big guys and more for the quick agile guys. So maybe players like Steve Smith and Santana Moss' value goes up??

 

 

WTF??? since when is Donald Driver a "fade jump ball" WR???

[Killer Elite 0]

err yah.. No idea why I put him in there.. hmm how about Fitz.. thats a better example Or Sidney Rice.. that guy is a monster.

 

I think my real point was that its somthing to figure out in the preseason.

[b.j. booker 0]

err yah.. No idea why I put him in there.. hmm how about Fitz.. thats a better example Or Sidney Rice.. that guy is a monster.

 

I think my real point was that its somthing to figure out in the preseason.

 

no prob. Didn't mean to overreact, just was confused that's all...

[the_risen_demon 0]

It's only going to affect a handful of plays each year. I wouldn't worry about much of a fantasy impact. Certainly it won't have as great an effect as the 5-yard jam rule that opened up the game for receivers. And as for the carryout rule, you show me a DB who can catch a WR receiver as he's falling back to the field of play after leaping for a ball and carry him to the sidelines and out of bounds, and I'll show you a player that needs to be tested for performance enhancing drugs. I think if you want to look at a rule that will depress QB/WR numbers, consider the rule that allows coaches to speak to one of the defensive players. They will be able to audible out of bad coverages much easier, and I think you'll see a considerable drop in the number of long TD's due to blown coverages.

[VaTerp 0]

It's only going to affect a handful of plays each year. I wouldn't worry about much of a fantasy impact. Certainly it won't have as great an effect as the 5-yard jam rule that opened up the game for receivers. And as for the carryout rule, you show me a DB who can catch a WR receiver as he's falling back to the field of play after leaping for a ball and carry him to the sidelines and out of bounds, and I'll show you a player that needs to be tested for performance enhancing drugs. I think if you want to look at a rule that will depress QB/WR numbers, consider the rule that allows coaches to speak to one of the defensive players. They will be able to audible out of bad coverages much easier, and I think you'll see a considerable drop in the number of long TD's due to blown coverages.

 

Good points. The force out is only gonna impact AT MOST an average of a few plays per week across the whole NFL.

 

The radio in the defensive players' helmet could have a much bigger impact. Its something I didnt think about. Overall the NFL has been trending to throwing the ball more in recent years. In the end I dont think these changes will have any significant impact FF wise.

[soopacee 0]

no prob. Didn't mean to overreact, just was confused that's all...

 

 

your reaction made me chuckle....thanx

 

 

 

 

 

it is a dumb rule granted.....it helps teams out......but it does suck for FF in a way......you can knock 3-4 td's off some WR's projected td's..............but i will be happy now when this happens against my Titans, and the opposing wr is ruled out of bounds......so im 50/50

[PackYourNut 47]

It was a typical NFL rule to induce more scoring... Glad to see it's gone.

[kmbryant09 1]

And as for the carryout rule, you show me a DB who can catch a WR receiver as he's falling back to the field of play after leaping for a ball and carry him to the sidelines and out of bounds, and I'll show you a player that needs to be tested for performance enhancing drugs.

 

hahaha great comment

[pimptastic69 0]

It's only going to affect a handful of plays each year. I wouldn't worry about much of a fantasy impact. Certainly it won't have as great an effect as the 5-yard jam rule that opened up the game for receivers. And as for the carryout rule, you show me a DB who can catch a WR receiver as he's falling back to the field of play after leaping for a ball and carry him to the sidelines and out of bounds, and I'll show you a player that needs to be tested for performance enhancing drugs. I think if you want to look at a rule that will depress QB/WR numbers, consider the rule that allows coaches to speak to one of the defensive players. They will be able to audible out of bad coverages much easier, and I think you'll see a considerable drop in the number of long TD's due to blown coverages.

 

Joey Browner

[Four More Beers 0]

The WRs and QBs will adjust. They played their whole college careers without a "force-out rule", they can do it in the NFL.

[Ron_Mexico 0]

I would like to see the NFL go with a "one foot in bounds"

rather than two to make up for scrapping the "force out" rule.

 

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[listen2me 23 1,825]

I would like to see the NFL go with a "one foot in bounds"

rather than two to make up for scrapping the "force out" rule.

 

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no.

[Phurfur 70]

I would like to see the NFL go with a "one foot in bounds"

rather than two to make up for scrapping the "force out" rule.

 

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No way, this is what separates a great WR from a good WR. Think of all those "great" two feet in bounds dragging the toes accross the line catches we would have missed.

[BMoney 0]

i actually want to know what happens if DBs start catching WRs in mid-air and carrying them OB... you could argue he's IB because the DB's feet are IB, but at the same time, a runner isn't down if his knee hits someone else who's down, so the same shouldn't apply to WRs.

 

 

id give them thumbs up...i can name a few seahawks DBs who wouldnt touch a wide out, let alone grab him, carry him and give him a piledriver on the sideline...

 

its about time they changed this rule...get inbounds..i dont need some old fart referee assuming that a guy wouldve been in..

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

The WRs and QBs will adjust. They played their whole college careers without a "force-out rule", they can do it in the NFL.

 

But they also played with a one foot in rule as well.

[jerryskids 6,546]

How ridiculous was it to have the Off benifit from landing out of bounds? And how the DB was helpless on the sidelines, if he pushes him out the ref could say "well he would have been in" and if he lets the WR catch it he dpesn't do his job. Its hard enough to follow a WR around the field without knowing where he is headed. CB is the toughest position to play outside of maybe QB. Real glad this rule is out. Pathetic that a rule even existed where a ref can simulate the play in his head to determine what SHOULD have happened. It was a joke...

Agreed. I've always hated this rule. Players will adjust, and a lot of the subjectivity will be removed from the game.

[murf74 461]

i actually want to know what happens if DBs start catching WRs in mid-air and carrying them OB... you could argue he's IB because the DB's feet are IB, but at the same time, a runner isn't down if his knee hits someone else who's down, so the same shouldn't apply to WRs.

 

what if he catches the WR in mid-air and carries him to the opposite endzone for a safety...now that would be cool.

 

guys look to college football, you won't even notice.

[the_risen_demon 0]

what if he catches the WR in mid-air and carries him to the opposite endzone for a safety...now that would be cool.

 

Now if that's not worth two points, I don't know what is.

[Rozelle 0]

There may be some adjustments on a few routes and the placement of throws on some routes could be altered slightly. In some cases the field will narrow, thats for sure, however teams will adjust ... you can count on it. I'm sure there will be a few plays over the course of the year that will have a significant impact.

On an IDP note ... I hope DB's are awarded a PD on a force out.