3 round rookie draft about to start

[madd futher mucker 36]

Three round PPR rookie draft will start shortly....Don't know how fast it will go though (12 hour limit)

I've got 1.04, 1.10, 2.03, 3.04

 

So far LOTS of trade offers and counter offers..........nothing to pull the trigger on. I tried to trade up to from 1.10 (offered 1.10 + Braylon Edwards for 1.01) but he wouldn't pull the trigger. This would have been a very good deal for him IMO - but there was a strategy behind the move for me. If he's pulled the trigger on my offer, I'd have drafted Moreno at 1.01 and probably got Crabs at 1.04. All of the offers to me were kind of ridiculous.

 

Barring a last minute trade, my pick at 1.04 will be very easy. So it looks lie I'll get Crabtree, Brown or Wells at 1.04.

Since I've got Hightower, it really doesn't matter to me who falls. I'll be happy with any of these.

 

FYI here's my team:

Peyton, Hasselbeck, Shaun Hill;

LJ, Julius Jones, Washington and Hightower

Edwards, Evans, Moore, Holt, S Rice, Matt Jones, Hardy, Whitten, Z Miller

 

I will try to update you by complete rounds.

[Quickolas1 80]

i dont like your team. i'd be wheeling and dealing.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I don't know what I should be wheeling and dealing for??? I need to get stronger up the middle - WRs and and especially RBs, but at the same time I gotta get young. This is a league of active but astute traders. Hard to get value through trades immediately before the draft. I've put out a lot of offers with no takers.

 

My best hope is to nail 3 of 4 of these picks into fairly immediate producers.

 

Trust me, I'll be wheeling and dealing all year. I'm open to any suggestions on how to improve the team though.

[Quickolas1 80]

I don't know what I should be wheeling and dealing for??? I need to get stronger up the middle - WRs and and especially RBs, but at the same time I gotta get young. This is a league of active but astute traders. Hard to get value through trades immediately before the draft.

 

My best hope is to nail 3 of 4 of these picks into fairly immediate producers.

 

Trust me, I'll be wheeling and dealing all year. I'm open to any suggestions on how to improbe the team though.

 

how many teams? how many do you start at each position? are wr/te interchangable like it appears?

how did your team do last year? (just trying to see if there's parity)

what were some of the other offers to you like?

are you willing to deal manning? that might be the key to balancing this team out

who did you take in the rookie draft last yr? i see no 1st yrs except hardy

trust me, we can fix this

[Gepetto 1,368]

I'd be willing to trade any and every player off of your team. I'd shoot for a combination of youth and veterens. It just really depends on the actual players in every case. Not sure how I could help you trade though.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I'd be willing to trade any and every player off of your team. I'd shoot for a combination of youth and veterens. It just really depends on the actual players in every case. Not sure how I could help you trade though.

 

That is exactly my strategy. Luckily the league is VERY balanced right now; there are no dominant teams or real weak ones. Almost all of these guys are pretty shrewd talent evaluators and traders.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

1.01 Moreno

1.02 Crabtree

1.03 Wells

1.04 Brown (mine).....no suprises yet!

 

Nice!! You got your guy. You convinced me to take him at 1.04 of my draft too....hope you are right!!

[WhiteWonder 2,736]

nice pick...

 

my first suggestion for improving your team is to trade Manning. He is your biggest bargaining chip, and is getting older so trading him away and getting a younger QB in a package deal would sting a little less.

 

you still have Hass, and maybe will draft a rookie QB? maybe not.

 

If you can find someone in the league who covets Peyton and doesn't mind his age, you may be able to strike a nice deal.

 

On second look, Witten is also a nice chip. The NFL is full of tight ends these days. If you can find a less heralded one to trade for and pick up a quality WR or RB in the process, that may be another way to go. (think Greg Olsen)

 

A third option could be to actually give depth up for quality. Perhaps package two of those WR's for a better 1 or a better RB.

Perhaps Holt and Evans for an upgrade.

[karmarooster 0]

how many people are in your league?

 

I would also recommend trading Manning and Witten, ideally in separate trades, to acquire RBs. I would hold on to Washington and Evans.

 

just my $.02

[We Tigers 71]

How many guys do you keep on the roster? Will you have to cut players to keep the rookies, or do you get to put them in a separate pool for this season?

[madd futher mucker 36]

12 teams 22 man rosters. Nicks, McCoy and Greene just went off.........one more til 1.10. I've targeted a nice WR next............Don't want to jinx it.

[nordwave 2]

12 teams 22 man rosters. Nicks, McCoy and Greene just went off.........one more til 1.10. I've targeted a nice WR next............Don't want to jinx it.

 

Is this draft taking place in slow motion over Twitter or something?

[Ray_T 753]

I've also noticed that 2 of your 3 QB's are getting old.

 

Peyton is still good and has a good 3-4 years left. Hasselbeck maybe has 2-3 years left, but if injuries remain an issue could be gone sooner. Shaun Hill is younger, but not guaranteed to become a starter.

 

I'd look into grabbing a QB with your second round pick if possible. This way you can sit him on the bench for a year or two and he may well be a starting QB by the time Hasselbeck retires. (at least this would be the hope)

[madd futher mucker 36]

Took Percy (Oh Mercy) Harvin at 1.10...............my next pick is 2.03. DHB went right after my pick.

 

1.01 Moreno

1.02 Crabtree

1.03 Wells

1.04 Brown (mine).....no suprises yet!

1.05 Maclin

1.06 Nicks

1.07 McCoy

1.08 Greene

1.09 Robiskie

1.10 Harvin (mine)

1.11 DHB

1.12 Stafford

2.01 Britt

2.02 Peerman

2.03 Sanchez mine but I traded the rights to 2.03 for Willie Parker

[madd futher mucker 36]

how many teams? how many do you start at each position? are wr/te interchangable like it appears?

how did your team do last year? (just trying to see if there's parity)

what were some of the other offers to you like?

are you willing to deal manning? that might be the key to balancing this team out

who did you take in the rookie draft last yr? i see no 1st yrs except hardy

trust me, we can fix this

 

12 teamer about 1/2 of the guys are FBG regular posters

pretty standard roster size except 2nd TE could be flex (Witten has lots of extra value)

Most of the other offers were tryin to get me to bend over

I traded FOR Manning - I feel he has 3-4 good years left.

 

I bought this team this off season. Not much to work with.

Began with:

Romo, Hasselbeck, Shaun Hill

Grant, LJ, Julius, Washington, Hightower

Edwards, Evans, Holt, Hardy, S Rice

Gonzalez, Daniels

picks 1.04, 2.04, 3.04

 

Made several good trades:

1. - got Lance Moore and 2010 3rd round for my 2010 2nd round

2. - got Witten for M Bush, Daniels, pick 2.04 - Witten is only 26 and is equivalent to a high WR2 in production.

3. - got Manning, Z Miller, M Jones, and picks 1.10 & 2.03 for Tony Gonzalex, Romo, and Ryan Grant

 

I think I'm getting closer to 'fixing it':

I like my QBs (not too worried about the age), love my TEs;

My RBs are a little weak yet but Washington will bet a bigger role, J Jones is a decent RB 3, LJ has a lot of mileage, but he COULD be comeback player of the year. I love Donald Brown - think he will be more productive than Addai THIS year. I plan to trade Hightower to the guy who picked Wells at 1.03....I offered him Hightower for V Jackson.

WRs are a little deeper now adding Moore (PPR semi-stud), Harvin, and Matt Jones (he was a throw-in on a trade to me, but I do think he will play this year.

 

And, of course I've got 2 more rookie picks, enuf time to trade, + the supplemental draft. No panic here!

[enis_44 0]

I knew that all your good Dynasty posts did not jive with that awful roster. The fact that you bought it as a reclamation project makes more sense now! I remember the post about the Peyton, Grant, etc trade. That one came down to how much you like Grant, and you didn't much. I LOVE Peyton so I have no problem with it. Rb's though. OUCH. Hopefully Brown is a start in the right direction.

 

Here's my 2 cents. It's a PPR league and you don't have much WR explosion except for Braylon. Would anyone in your league be dumb enough to trade a real good WR for Leon? Everyone loves Leon right now, but is he really ever gonna pan out and be "the man" there? Or even weekly start-able. I honestly think he's just gonna lead the league in points scored on fantasy benches as he goes off 1 out of every 3-4 weeks. If I could pull a really good WR right now while his value is up, I would do it. Remeber, in Dynasty, stud Wr's play forever. (Fitz owner here)

[madd futher mucker 36]

I knew that all your good Dynasty posts did not jive with that awful roster. The fact that you bought it as a reclamation project makes more sense now! I remember the post about the Peyton, Grant, etc trade. That one came down to how much you like Grant, and you didn't much. I LOVE Peyton so I have no problem with it. Rb's though. OUCH. Hopefully Brown is a start in the right direction.

 

Here's my 2 cents. It's a PPR league and you don't have much WR explosion except for Braylon. Would anyone in your league be dumb enough to trade a real good WR for Leon? Everyone loves Leon right now, but is he really ever gonna pan out and be "the man" there? Or even weekly start-able. I honestly think he's just gonna lead the league in points scored on fantasy benches as he goes off 1 out of every 3-4 weeks. If I could pull a really good WR right now while his value is up, I would do it. Remeber, in Dynasty, stud Wr's play forever. (Fitz owner here)

 

Yea, last year i drafted much better in my deep keepers (Chris Johnson in 3 leagues and Stewart in two, so My rookies panned out real well. This team needs lotsa work but that's the fun of it. I figure I can maneuver my way into contention with this team yet. BTW, I just sent out an offer to move up 2 spots from 2.03 to 2.01 (Holt and Hardy). I'm prolly paying too much, but Britt is still out there as are the 2 top QBs.

[kutulu 1,676]

We are doing a 5 rounder rookie/FA one (halfway through round 2) right here .

 

Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB

Wells, Chris ARI RB

Brown, Donald IND RB

Crabtree, Michael SFO WR

McCoy, LeSean PHI RB

Greene, Shonn NYJ RB

Harvin, Percy MIN WR

Stafford, Matthew DET QB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

Britt, Kenny TEN WR

 

Brown, Andre NYG RB

Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK WR

Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE

Davis, James CLE RB

Breaston, Steve ARI WR

Peerman, Cedric BAL RB

Coffee, Glen SFO RB

Davis, Nate SFO QB

[madd futher mucker 36]

Well the two guys I'd hoped would fall didn't (Britt and Stafford). Looking like I'll take either Thomas, or Sanchez. i'm strongly leaning toward Thomas here.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Well the two guys I'd hoped would fall didn't (Britt and Stafford). Looking like I'll take either Thomas, or Sanchez. i'm strongly leaning toward Thomas here.

 

I hope you didn't throw away Holt and Hardy to move up two spots.

 

I think you basically threw away a starting RB in Ryan Grant in that trade for Peyton Manning. Romo's younger than Manning and puts up better stats.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I hope you didn't throw away Holt and Hardy to move up two spots.

 

I think you basically threw away a starting RB in Ryan Grant in that trade for Peyton Manning. Romo's younger than Manning and puts up better stats.

 

nope, I still have those two

[graphix28 10]

hey man I'm glad you got Brown, the rest of the backs in this class don't do much for me. Just my 2cents but I love brandon tate,, he may even do something this year. but if you need a rc to step up and play this year probably Thomas or maybe barden?

[madd futher mucker 36]

I hope you didn't throw away Holt and Hardy to move up two spots.

 

I think you basically threw away a starting RB in Ryan Grant in that trade for Peyton Manning. Romo's younger than Manning and puts up better stats.

 

Sanchez was still on the board at 2.03. I just traded the pick for Willie Parker.

 

So that whole trade worked out like this:

 

I got Peyton, Zack Miller, Matt Jones, (1.10) Percy Harvin, and (2.03) (traded for) Willie Parker

for Romo, Tony Gonzalez and Ryan Grant

 

P Manning >Romo

Parker = Grant

Harvin, Z Miller, Matt Jones >Tony Gonzales

 

I'd say I came out way ahead.

[Quickolas1 80]

now it all makes sense

you got the best two possible with your position ....brown + harvin

 

fix is well underway

[madd futher mucker 36]

now it all makes sense

you got the best two possible with your position ....brown + harvin

 

fix is well underway

 

LOL and Willie Parker for a 2nd round pick.

[Quickolas1 80]

LOL and Willie Parker for a 2nd round pick.

 

well i dont like parker for even short term that much

i'd rather have dealt manning for romo + grant

harvin makes it better

you've got a lot of fluff i'd try to get rid of even if it sets you back short term

leon wash to the t.jones or greene owner?

larry johnson is only short term at best

those WRs for....anything?

[nlgb1 0]

i dont understand why stafford isnt going top 5. honestly, id be fine taking him at 1.01 if there was some demand for him at the top. i mean cmon, hes going to be throwing to calvin johnson.... thats a match made in heaven for fantasy purposes. be patient and stick him on the bench for the first year, then reap the benefits the next few years

[madd futher mucker 36]

well i dont like parker for even short term that much

i'd rather have dealt manning for romo + grant

harvin makes it better

you've got a lot of fluff i'd try to get rid of even if it sets you back short term

leon wash to the t.jones or greene owner?

larry johnson is only short term at best

those WRs for....anything?

 

I'll try to go for a home-run with my 3.04 pick. I have a couple of ideas in mind, depending on who is left on the board. Then after the rookie draft, the next step is consolidation.

 

That means trading any two B's for an A player as often as I can. Guys like Parker, J Jones, Washington, and many of my WRs have 2 for 1 trade value in the right situations. The key here is having the patience to find the right situations to pull the trigger on. And i don't worry at all about some of the old guys (like LJ) - they have limited trade value and 'old guy's are ALWAYS UNDERVALUED in dynasty leagues - IF they're still capable of nice current production. So I'm not trying to get 'young' all at once.

I've got plenty of time to complete the fix.

 

And I'm basically set at QB (one minor 'tinker' still awaits there) - Peyton is still the 3rd rated QB in PPR - both dynasty and re-draft; and I'm rock solid at TE which has some extra value in a TE flex league. Witten is a PPR monster.

 

But now I've added enough 'B' type depth to re-shape the WRs and RBs a little. It just takes the right proposals to the right guys at the right times. I really think the Parker pick-up was a steal for a 2.03 draft pick that could turm out to be a bust or could take 3 years to produce.

 

My goal is to make a run for the title (and some cash) THIS year, AND to get younger in the process.

[WhiteWonder 2,736]

12 teamer about 1/2 of the guys are FBG regular posters

pretty standard roster size except 2nd TE could be flex (Witten has lots of extra value)

Most of the other offers were tryin to get me to bend over

I traded FOR Manning - I feel he has 3-4 good years left.

 

I bought this team this off season. Not much to work with.

Began with:

Romo, Hasselbeck, Shaun Hill

Grant, LJ, Julius, Washington, Hightower

Edwards, Evans, Holt, Hardy, S Rice

Gonzalez, Daniels

picks 1.04, 2.04, 3.04

 

Made several good trades:

1. - got Lance Moore and 2010 3rd round for my 2010 2nd round

2. - got Witten for M Bush, Daniels, pick 2.04 - Witten is only 26 and is equivalent to a high WR2 in production.

3. - got Manning, Z Miller, M Jones, and picks 1.10 & 2.03 for Tony Gonzalex, Romo, and Ryan Grant

 

I think I'm getting closer to 'fixing it':

I like my QBs (not too worried about the age), love my TEs;

My RBs are a little weak yet but Washington will bet a bigger role, J Jones is a decent RB 3, LJ has a lot of mileage, but he COULD be comeback player of the year. I love Donald Brown - think he will be more productive than Addai THIS year. I plan to trade Hightower to the guy who picked Wells at 1.03....I offered him Hightower for V Jackson.

WRs are a little deeper now adding Moore (PPR semi-stud), Harvin, and Matt Jones (he was a throw-in on a trade to me, but I do think he will play this year.

 

And, of course I've got 2 more rookie picks, enuf time to trade, + the supplemental draft. No panic here!

 

i love trade number 3 for you... i still suggest trying to move Manning. but that trade was great in my opinion.

Im not as high on trade number 2.... i feel you over paid for Witten. Im sure you will throw out a million reasons why it was a great deal but Id rather have Bush and that 2.04 pick. and Daniels isn't a bad TE.

I also think you got a solid deal for Lance Moore.

 

Dont bank on washington getting a bigger role... just a word of advice from a big jet fan. They have been saying it each offseason since his rookie year. New coach brings hope, but ill believe it when i see it.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Draft update:

 

1.01 Moreno

1.02 Crabtree

1.03 Wells

1.04 Brown (mine).....no suprises yet!

1.05 Maclin

1.06 Nicks

1.07 McCoy

1.08 Greene

1.09 Robiskie

1.10 Harvin (mine)

1.11 DHB

1.12 Stafford

2.01 Britt

2.02 Peerman

2.03 Sanchez mine but I traded the rights to 2.03 for Willie Parker

2.04 Collie

2.05 Pettigrew

2.06 Dillard

2.07 Andre Brown

2.08

2.09

2.10

2.11

2.12

 

2.4 for Collie? Why is everyone so high on this guy? Yes, he has Manning...but for how many more years? 3-4 years? Last time I looked they have Wayne, Gonzalez, and Clark. Also, Collie did not impress me in college. Plus, name a white WR that was worth anything in fantasy? Don't mention Kevin Curtis....I own him. One week he'll put up 30 points and the next five weeks 6 points. I can't see Collie being much of anything at all. Tate has much bigger upside because he is actually atheletic and Moss will be gone in 2-3 years.....still I wouldn't take Tate this early either.

 

Why Collie? Someone please explain the obcession.

[kutulu 1,676]

Plus, name a white WR that was worth anything in fantasy?

 

Wes Welker (PPR)

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Wes Welker (PPR)

 

Nice one! You have me there......but Collie is not even close the the same player as Wes Welker. They have different skill sets.

 

Collie:

 

Per Draftcountdown.com

 

Strengths:

Very good height and bulk...Soft, reliable hands...Good focus and will make the spectacular catch...Excellent route runner...Nice ball skills and body control...More quick than fast...Tough...Good strength...Is not afraid to work in traffic...Intelligent...A hard worker...Productive.

 

Weaknesses:

Doesn't have the speed you look for...Isn't explosive...Won't get much separation...Isn't a vertical threat...Not real elusive...A bit older than the normal prospect..Has short arms..The product of a spread offense.

 

 

Opposite of Welker. Collie is not a slot WR.

[enis_44 0]

I am completely surprised that a Rookie Qb who is gonna be given the starting job(Sanchez) is falling past random fliers in drafts right now. Maybe it's just my Dy league, but starting Qb's are a huge commodity. In past season,s we've had waiver bidding wars for the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Marcus Tuiososopo because of mid-season Qb injuries.

[wickerkat 0]

I am completely surprised that a Rookie Qb who is gonna be given the starting job(Sanchez) is falling past random fliers in drafts right now. Maybe it's just my Dy league, but starting Qb's are a huge commodity. In past season,s we've had waiver bidding wars for the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Marcus Tuiososopo because of mid-season Qb injuries.

 

wow, peerman went early, i got him at the 4.09 in my league, nice job <pats self on back>

 

are you eyeing freeman with your next pick? i would be

[kutulu 1,676]

Nice one! You have me there......but Collie is not even close the the same player as Wes Welker. They have different skill sets.

 

Collie:

 

Per Draftcountdown.com

 

Strengths:

Very good height and bulk...Soft, reliable hands...Good focus and will make the spectacular catch...Excellent route runner...Nice ball skills and body control...More quick than fast...Tough...Good strength...Is not afraid to work in traffic...Intelligent...A hard worker...Productive.

 

Weaknesses:

Doesn't have the speed you look for...Isn't explosive...Won't get much separation...Isn't a vertical threat...Not real elusive...A bit older than the normal prospect..Has short arms..The product of a spread offense.

Opposite of Welker. Collie is not a slot WR.

 

Polian has compared him to Brandon Stokley.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I am completely surprised that a Rookie Qb who is gonna be given the starting job(Sanchez) is falling past random fliers in drafts right now. Maybe it's just my Dy league, but starting Qb's are a huge commodity. In past season,s we've had waiver bidding wars for the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Marcus Tuiososopo because of mid-season Qb injuries.

 

Sanchez didn't exactly fall after 'random fliers'. Peerman may have gone a little early, but not too much of a reach. At least 4 other drafters were probably high on him, and he was the #4 or #5 RB on my board as well. The kid is vastly under-rated, has superior RB talent, a great motor and high character, I personally liked him better than McCoy.

 

When Sanchez dropped to me, I started shopping him for the best established player I could get for him. (yes, I have still two other QBs I'm almost as high on that are on my draft board - and one is NOT Pat White).

[madd futher mucker 36]

wow, peerman went early, i got him at the 4.09 in my league, nice job <pats self on back>

 

are you eyeing freeman with your next pick? i would be

 

Let's just say that I'd be happy with that if it happens.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Let's just say that I'd be happy with that if it happens.

 

See, I liked Peerman too before the draft.....but after he was selected by the Ravens I totally lost interest. Yes, McGahee is likely not going to be the guy...but as you know they are high on Ray Rice and McLaine will get the goaline carries.

 

I see Peerman a wasted pick right now. Rice will be the inbetween the 20's guy and McGahee/McLaine will split inside the 20's. The Ravens did not spend a 2nd round pick last year on Rice to never play him. Rice will be they guy. Sorry to break everyones man crush on Peerman.

 

I'd much rather spend that pick on a TE with upside. This is a deep, talent TE class. Cook, Nelson, Ingram, Coffman all have good fantasy value and all have upside. These guys are safe picks that will help your team down the road. Peerman - not so much. He'll be lucky if he is in the NFL 3 years from now.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Polian has compared him to Brandon Stokley.

 

I think that is an apt description. The kid's skills are greater than his talent. And he landed in a perfect situation for his skills.............smarts and precise route running and good hands are very valued there.

 

In that respect he is similar to Iglesius. I haven't been high on Iglesius talent-wise for a big possession receiver. but he is just right for what he Bears want him for. I predict he will get lots of catches this year (40-50 range), which is good for a rookie WR.

 

These are both high floor, low ceiling guys.

 

With my pick 3.04 I'm going for low/medium floor - but very high ceiling - in other words, I'll likely either strike out or hit a home run.

[Ray_T 753]

Sanchez was still on the board at 2.03. I just traded the pick for Willie Parker.

 

So that whole trade worked out like this:

 

I got Peyton, Zack Miller, Matt Jones, (1.10) Percy Harvin, and (2.03) (traded for) Willie Parker

for Romo, Tony Gonzalez and Ryan Grant

 

P Manning >Romo

Parker = Grant

Harvin, Z Miller, Matt Jones >Tony Gonzales

 

I'd say I came out way ahead.

 

I agree.

 

I felt Grant was overrated. I'm sure he made the trade because he is counting on the fact that Grant & Romo are younger than Manning and FWP. I'm not sure he will get full value for what he gave up. Nice trade. You did well.