2nd Round Commentary

[JScott 20]

i think brady is a pretty good bet to end up in the top 5 qbs when you take into account his intense level of dedication and will for performing and the system he plays in. i dont know that he'll be special or stick out, but a top 5 qb is valuable either way. by the middle of the 3rd, you could certainly do much worse. im just not sure hes someone id want to be building my team around, someone who has to perform every week for my team to hit.

 

those of you that think he's still going to throw 40 TDs this year, you ought to be taking him in the first round then. any 40 TD qb is worth at least that.

 

It's all about value (as I know you know).... why take him in the first when I thought he'd be available in the 2nd

[JScott 20]

just for S&G, take a guess at brady's career high for TD passes other than the record year, without looking obviously?

 

32 .... but I'm guessing what ever it was it was before the Moss/Welker WR years... so how are Branch/PatteRn/Givens all doing once they left NE... it's like night and day who Brady is throwing to now.... just sayin

[Da Bomb 0]

i figured wayne had to go soon. everyone ready to shrug off last year and assume he produces even without harrison there?

[JScott 20]

i figured wayne had to go soon. everyone ready to shrug off last year and assume he produces even without harrison there?

 

Yep, he's who I had originally planned on taking over Brady. Was it me or did the whole Colts offense (except for Clark) seem to be in a funk last season. The Harrison issues just seemed to keep everyone slightly "off". With that cleared up and Gonzo moving into the #2WR spot I expect Wayne to get back into the top 5 WR... good value at 2.06.

[Da Bomb 0]

yeah i figured wayne was who you meant. who knows whats up with that colts offense? obviously theres a few guys that ought to be pretty high picks, unless the new coaching staff and harrison being gone means that the end draws nigh. that could really screw a lot of people if so.

[Jetdoc 20]

I also agree that Wayne is probably a "chalk" pick in the early to mid 2nd round this year. I personally think that he doesn't have as much risk as some of the experts are predicting, but once a chink in the armor appears, I think people tend to take notice in a hurry.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Fumble taking a QB early? Unpossible!!!

[Clash of the Titans 1]

this has been the most unpredictable off the wall jetdoc mock i have ever seen...looks the the old theory of " taking two backs in the 1st two rounds " has gone by the wayside ha ha

 

 

some thoughts

 

i just couldn't fathom taking a wr at 1.4 - unless he is a moss type year of two years ago in this format it's just too risky....i mean the average finish of the top wr each year usually only equals about the 8-10th best rb ....and that's if he finishes #1

 

 

 

really suprised to see moss go at 1.8....with tom coming off the injury of last year....it took another qb who was coming off last year about half the season to get in the groove.....

 

i love deangelo williams and had been waiting for him to break out.....i would have taken him before LT and portis he's great value there.....along with westbrook i think one of those guys if not maybe two hit the wall and hard..... like most backs with tons of mileage do......LT was beginning to look like he lost a step even in 2007....the lingering effects of a turf toe injury is still something to keep watch on this summer in camp...it killed my beloved eddie george

 

i think slaton was a solid pick.....i think he is gonna make or break teams this year....i really see houston taking off on offense this season.....i love slaton's all-around skilllset

 

gonna be fun to see what kind of rb combo jscott gets now he went wr/qb...i would have thought brees would have been the 1st qb taken.....as much as i hate taking them early i would have taken him at 3.1

 

everything else has gone basically the way i thought it would

[remote controller 143]

Though the picks are falling differently than normal, they are still falling predicatably from my sheets. 19 out of my top 20 are gone, with only pick 18 left. The predicatablity of the first three rounds seems intact. By that I mean, you can almost draw a line under your top 40 and be assured that the all those taken in the first 3 rounds will come from above it. This draft gets kind of gray after pick 4, but regroups around the first corner. I might get one of my guys on this next corner, but no way will I get both of them as I had thought;

 

Good drafters!!

[remote controller 143]

This second round is stacked full of talent!

[Jetdoc 20]

I agree. In a real draft, I'd be tempted to trade down a 1st round pick for a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder in a real draft. A lot of value to be had from picks 13 through 30 or so, especially compared to the relatively disappointing first round.

[Da Bomb 0]

im not so sure i agree. i see another maybe 6-8 names on the board before a pretty big dropoff. then again, theres probably another 5 names that get taken before my 6-8 are all gone, so maybe that agrees precisely with what you are saying. who is going to make that trade though?

 

steve smith is a guy that put up 1400+ yards and people forget that he did it minus two games due to suspension last season. he is a beast and should be in the running for the top WR spot if he can find the tds again. hes one of two guys i really had my eye on with my pick here. if ace takes the other one, its back to square one.

[Fumbleweed 547]

Do you guys think Jacobs will fall this far in most non-PPR drafts? I thought he would go towards the top of the second round. Surprised to still see him here...seems like Ace was able to find a pretty solid RB to pair with Fitzgerald after all....

[Ace08 11]

I'm not gonna lie...I had 2 RB's targeted here at 2.09 and for a while there I was scared neither would make it back. Getting Brandon Jacobs here, in this format, completely justifies in my mind what I did in the first round. I know many won't agree but I just don't see that wide a gap between a guy like Jacobs and what was taken in the first round (considering this scoring format). On the flip side....Fitzgerald offers a wider gap in potential incremental scoring on what I would have had to have settled for here at receiver.

 

So far...so good. If this was a real draft I'd be very happy at this point.

[Fumbleweed 547]

I'm not gonna lie...I had 2 RB's targeted here at 2.09 and for a while there I was scared neither would make it back. Getting Brandon Jacobs here, in this format, completely justifies in my mind what I did in the first round. I know many won't agree but I just don't see that wide a gap between a guy like Jacobs and what was taken in the first round (considering this scoring format). On the flip side....Fitzgerald offers a wider gap in potential incremental scoring on what I would have had to have settled for here at receiver.

 

So far...so good. If this was a real draft I'd be very happy at this point.

 

Agreed. I don't see much difference between Jacobs and guys like Portis and Chris Johnson. The only problem with Jacobs is that his upright running style tends to get him dinged up a lot, seemingly.

[Jetdoc 20]

Yeah, I had a really hard time choosing between Jacobs and Steve Smith as well. Both, IMO, are the last in their tiers, so both are good value at this point.

 

I have to say that the 4th and 5th spots of the draft aren't as bad as I thought they would be when we went in. We'll see if that continues into the next few rounds.

[JScott 20]

Agreed. I don't see much difference between Jacobs and guys like Portis and Chris Johnson. The only problem with Jacobs is that his upright running style tends to get him dinged up a lot, seemingly.

 

I disagree on Jacobs. While I do think he's worthy of a late 2nd round pick, due to his running style I have him penciled in for missing 2-3 games each season. Which leaves his last year totals about as good as it gets from him IMO. Those numbers were right on par with CJ but Johnson has a ton more upside.

[Da Bomb 0]

glad you took jacobs. i have no interest in him. he is like owning leroy hoard. no receiving, not much rushing yards, an injury waiting to happen. too boom or bust each week for me.

[JScott 20]

no receiving, not much rushing yards, an injury waiting to happen

 

:highfive:

[Ace08 11]

glad you took jacobs. i have no interest in him. he is like owning leroy hoard. no receiving, not much rushing yards, an injury waiting to happen. too boom or bust each week for me.

 

Point taken but I'd offer up these 2 nuggets

 

1) This isn't a PPR league

2) Ward is gone

 

#2 is especially important not just because it means some extra opportunities for Jacobs....but in that it also makes handcuffing the position alot easier as well later in the draft for me.

[JScott 20]

Remote is going to crap his pants when he sees his guy still available at 2.11

[Da Bomb 0]

on the other hand, i am ecstatic to land marion barber here and would not trade my rb pair for any pair in the draft. im not worried at all about tashard choice doing anything with barber healthy, and hes an easy handcuff very late if needed. felix will keep marion fresh like he did early last season. lest we forget barber had 1250/9 for the first 12 weeks of the season before the late injured swoon.

 

im not sure id be keeping barber all season, but he is a guy who is going to keep starting out hot and putting up big numbers before his body wears down the 2nd half of the year. factor out 1250/9 to a whole year and you get a guy basically on par with peterson, forte, and t jones at the #3-#5 rb.

 

with MJD and MB3, you'd be looking at 25+ TDs and both with a potential for a huge game from either of them and a 2-3 TD performance any given week. i saw a pretty big dropoff after him to any of the other RBs left. hes a top 7-10 RB for me, just so long as i sell by november or so.

[Jetdoc 20]

So, you're really that high on Barber? I saw Felix as "getting his feet wet" last year, so I'm a bit worried about him actually getting more involved in the offense this year. That and the loss of Owens may mean that they put Jones in more on passing downs to give Romo another target.

 

Barber is one of those guys that I just scratch my head over this year. Last year, I was pretty bullish on him...but this year, not so much.

[Da Bomb 0]

Point taken but I'd offer up these 2 nuggets

 

1) This isn't a PPR league

2) Ward is gone

 

#2 is especially important not just because it means some extra opportunities for Jacobs....but in that it also makes handcuffing the position alot easier as well later in the draft for me.

 

both good points, and agreed on them. but 2-300 receiving yards and a couple of TDs is 30-40 points either way, even without PPR.

 

ward is gone, and i thought about that in my evaluation. im actually not sure that makes me like jacobs less. he sorta needs that extra guy to take the yards and beating away, for me. i am just not a jacobs fan. cant really justify it much more. not a guy i'll be using any picks on, thats all. i was glad to see him gone.

[JScott 20]

on the other hand, i am ecstatic to land marion barber here and would not trade my rb pair for any pair in the draft. im not worried at all about tashard choice doing anything with barber healthy, and hes an easy handcuff very late if needed. felix will keep marion fresh like he did early last season. lest we forget barber had 1250/9 for the first 12 weeks of the season before the late injured swoon.

 

im not sure id be keeping barber all season, but he is a guy who is going to keep starting out hot and putting up big numbers before his body wears down the 2nd half of the year. factor out 1250/9 to a whole year and you get a guy basically on par with peterson, forte, and t jones at the #3-#5 rb.

 

with MJD and MB3, you'd be looking at 25+ TDs and both with a potential for a huge game from either of them and a 2-3 TD performance any given week. i saw a pretty big dropoff after him to any of the other RBs left. hes a top 7-10 RB for me, just so long as i sell by november or so.

 

Funny, I see Jacobs and MBIII in a very similar light... upright, punishing running styles (lends itself to injuries)... play in the same division (tough defenses)... so why would Felix keep MBIII "fresh" and Bradshaw won't do the same for Jacob? Why is Jacobs boom or bust but MBIII has potential for a huge (2-3 TD game) but no mention of the down side. Sort of sounds like you're playing both sides of the fence here Bomb.

 

Personally I feel the same about both of them, just wondering why you have such different views for such similar RBs

[Da Bomb 0]

So, you're really that high on Barber? I saw Felix as "getting his feet wet" last year, so I'm a bit worried about him actually getting more involved in the offense this year. That and the loss of Owens may mean that they put Jones in more on passing downs to give Romo another target.

 

Barber is one of those guys that I just scratch my head over this year. Last year, I was pretty bullish on him...but this year, not so much.

 

you know felix had 2 receptions last year, right? he is not a receiving threat. if anything, barber is the best receiving back on that team. felix will be in more on earlier downs id think.

[Da Bomb 0]

Funny, I see Jacobs and MBIII in a very similar light... upright, punishing running styles (lends itself to injuries)... play in the same division (tough defenses)... so why would Felix keep MBIII "fresh" and Bradshaw won't do the same for Jacob? Why is Jacobs boom or bust but MBIII has potential for a huge (2-3 TD game) but no mention of the down side. Sort of sounds like you're playing both sides of the fence here Bomb.

 

Personally I feel the same about both of them, just wondering why you have such different views for such similar RBs

 

in barber's first 12 games last year, he had two bad games, two average games, and eight good ones. a major difference between him and jacobs are the receiving stats. barber had 400 and 2 last season. he is much more consistent, and hes done it more than a year.

 

your point is taken. like i said, i dont know if i have any great sell on jacobs, just not someone i buy or will draft on any teams. i have another 5 or 6 RBs id take before even considering him. just one of those guys i guess.

[Ace08 11]

To me....Barber and Jacobs are virtually the same except for the fact Jacobs has a better O-Line and you don't have to worry about TWO possible handcuffs/time splitters. To each his own...but I wouldn't draft Barber over Jacobs for those 2 points alone. You couple the fact that there's no PPR here and it makes it even more clear in my mind.

 

Whatever difference Barber puts up in receiving yardage and TD's I think Jacobs will compensate for with rushing yards. I just don't see Barber getting as big a workload as Jacobs is going to get this year. Is Jacobs style going to lead to a short career? Absolutely...but his is a redraft and a 1 year bet...and I love the odds of Jacbos have a huge year THIS year.

[Da Bomb 0]

good points all around. another thing id point out is that i see dallas on the upswing this year and the giants back on the downswing some. that means more TDs in dallas, and less in new york.

 

another thing is that with a favorite redzone threat gone in dallas, mb3 could definitely see a lot more opportunities there. you might say the same about plaxico in ny, but he only had 4 TDs last year (and that might very well have been why the spike in rush TDs did happen). the fact for me is that everything went right for jacobs last year and yet he still finished #12 (good not great) and just 1 ppg ahead of someone like barber for whom everything seemed to go so badly. i play the curves and avoid guys due for a drop and pick guys headed on the upswing.

 

all of that being said, i definitely dont fault the pick at all. i was a bit surprised he was still there and am glad i didnt have to pass him by. just glad he was gone so i could get a back i like twice as much instead.

[JScott 20]

in barber's first 12 games last year, he had two bad games, two average games, and eight good ones. a major difference between him and jacobs are the receiving stats. barber had 400 and 2 last season. he is much more consistent, and hes done it more than a year.

 

your point is taken. like i said, i dont know if i have any great sell on jacobs, just not someone i buy or will draft on any teams. i have another 5 or 6 RBs id take before even considering him. just one of those guys i guess.

 

I know what you mean, some times there are players that you just can't get a good feel for no matter what. Jacobs is one of those guys for me too.

[Jetdoc 20]

E-mail sent to remote.

[JScott 20]

E-mail sent to remote.

 

Just talked to him. He'll be on shortly to make his pick.

[Da Bomb 0]

i already know who hes picking. can i just put in the pick for him?

[Da Bomb 0]

i see clash is here too. if he sticks around along with ace and jet already here, we have picks 2.11 through 3.05 right here.

[remote controller 143]

Here

[remote controller 143]

i already know who hes picking. can i just put in the pick for him?

Were you right? Jennings is my #4 Wr this year behind Moss, AJ, and Fitz. I have Steve Smith in a relative tie with Calvin at 5/6 and was hoping to grab Smith around the corner. I need to go back and see what I have missed in the discussion this morning. Sorry I held this up.

[JScott 20]

i see clash is here too. if he sticks around along with ace and jet already here, we have picks 2.11 through 3.05 right here.

 

Yeah, I wish I suggested just posting Jennings for him when we were on the phone... that was obvious who RC was going to take....

[Ace08 11]

Phenomenal pick on Ronnie Brown Clash....I think he finishes this year as a top 5 FF RB. I'm THAT high on him and was hoping to get him at 3.04

[JScott 20]

Wow, R.Brown at the turn.... I'm interested in hearing COTs thinking on this pick

[JScott 20]

Phenomenal pick on Ronnie Brown Clash....I think he finishes this year as a top 5 FF RB. I'm THAT high on him and was hoping to get him at 3.04

 

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