Mr. Tomlinson

[kmbryant09 1]

Did you even watch the game? Tomlinson played all four quarters, passing downs and all. Sproles barely saw the field, except for Special Teams duty. Even in the blowout against the Steelers, LT was there until the end. You should try watching some games and not just reading final stats, to avoid making further erroneous statements.

This is exactly my point, thanks....He played the entire game on an offensive juggernaut playing from far behind. Meaning there should be plenty of dump-offs, and easy running lanes as the DEF plans to prevent the big play through the air...and what does LT go for?? 7 carries, 15 yards 1 catch, -1 yard. What else are you waiting for?

 

Look at Ray Rice of the Ravens this past weekend. When the Ravens got done one and two scores, Rice had about 2 possessions where he had 6-8 total carries for 75 yards and a few 10 yard catches. He's explosive, LT is done...Maybe you're the one who should try watching some games instead of trying to hold onto a past superstar that has fallen

[DeaLerZ 0]

This is exactly my point, thanks....He played the entire game on an offensive juggernaut playing from far behind. Meaning there should be plenty of dump-offs, and easy running lanes as the DEF plans to prevent the big play through the air...and what does LT go for?? 7 carries, 15 yards 1 catch, -1 yard. What else are you waiting for?

 

Look at Ray Rice of the Ravens this past weekend. When the Ravens got done one and two scores, Rice had about 2 possessions where he had 6-8 total carries for 75 yards and a few 10 yard catches. He's explosive, LT is done...Maybe you're the one who should try watching some games instead of trying to hold onto a past superstar that has fallen

 

yea there should have been plenty of dump-offs.. but the chargers couldn't get a first down for a while...and then they got hot in the 4th quarter throwing the ball to A.Gates... play calling was sub-par.. i am not convinced yet of LT's complete demise... and you definitely cannot base it on the Pittsburgh game... no one thought LT was going to do anything in that game coming back from injury vs a stingent defense.... after the bye week.. more time to rest, and facing Denver... than we can judge LT... but until we see more of him healthy and vs moderate defenses.. and can look at more normal games.. and not ones where the Chargers are getting killed 28-0 for most of the game.. i am not going to judge him....

 

 

and who knows maybe that pep talk from the GM will get the chargers rolling after their bye week.. and look like the team we all think they can be..

[steelers2101 7]

As an LT owner, here are a few facts and likely biased opinions:

 

1. He looks faster than he did last year, and he is healthier now than he was all last year with whatever he was dealing with (turf toe, etc...).

 

2. Last year, an unhealthier and slower LT had 1110 yards rushing and 426 yards receiving with 12 total TDs.

 

3. His rest of the year schedule includes: Oakland once, KC twice, Cleveland, Dallas, Cincy, Denver twice. His 3 difficult matchups are NYG, Philly and Tennessee.

 

Also, check out the deal my negotiating counterpart is (or pretending to be) hesitant to offer (in PPR keeper league):

 

His Welker, Mendenhall, Willie Parker

 

for

 

LT, Eddie Royal, Baltimore D (or Jets D)

 

I told him I'd consider it without Baltimore or Jets D included, but I don't know if it's worth giving up a D too (or which one I'd rather give up for that matter).

 

What do you guys think? Is doing it even without including on of my elite Ds a good idea? Or do you think I shouldn't be hesitant even with the Ds included?

 

Anyone?

[whitewolf1 0]

I would rather have Welker, Mendenhall and Parker!

[craphouse rats 0]

I had an owner in my league(PPR) offer me

LT & Smith(Car)

for

SJax & Jennings

I am thinking about doing it. I don't know if SJax will even sniff the GL this year and Jennings seems to be an afterthought in GB Anyone else like this offer?

[mambokings 0]

This is exactly my point, thanks....He played the entire game on an offensive juggernaut playing from far behind. Meaning there should be plenty of dump-offs, and easy running lanes as the DEF plans to prevent the big play through the air

Now you're admitting he played the entire game, when at first you tried to imply he was getting yanked on passing downs or taken out when they fell behind. Make up your mind. Or better yet, just watch the games you try commenting on. Another clear indication you just read the stat sheet is when you say there "should" have been plenty of dump-offs and "easy" running lanes. If you had bothered to tune in, you would have seen that wasn't the case. Pittsburgh routinely brought pressure and they were all over the place. The fact they were getting it without blitzing much indicates once again the problems the Chargers have to address on the offensive line. But that's got nothing to do with LT. Your hero, Darren Sproles, couldn't get it done in three games running behind this battered offensive line. But why let facts get in your way, eh? Just continue to blame LT and repeat the mantra that he's done. FYI, each game is different and this one featured a Chargers team suffering a complete meltdown. Tomlinson is part of that team, but you're whole purpose here is to frame him as the reason and that's fine. There are plenty of haters on this board. I'm more interested in reality and I witnessed San Diego - as a whole - fall behind early and have virtually no time of possession through 3 quarters. As I said before, and maintain, San Diego has the BYE week to attempt to cure their line troubles and fix the defense in some way. LT is healthy, that's the main thing, and he will have legitimate chances over the next few weeks to demonstrate he's got something left in the tank.

[kmbryant09 1]

Now you're admitting he played the entire game, when at first you tried to imply he was getting yanked on passing downs or taken out when they fell behind. Make up your mind. Or better yet, just watch the games you try commenting on. Another clear indication you just read the stat sheet is when you say there "should" have been plenty of dump-offs and "easy" running lanes. If you had bothered to tune in, you would have seen that wasn't the case. Pittsburgh routinely brought pressure and they were all over the place. The fact they were getting it without blitzing much indicates once again the problems the Chargers have to address on the offensive line. But that's got nothing to do with LT. Your hero, Darren Sproles, couldn't get it done in three games running behind this battered offensive line. But why let facts get in your way, eh? Just continue to blame LT and repeat the mantra that he's done. FYI, each game is different and this one featured a Chargers team suffering a complete meltdown. Tomlinson is part of that team, but you're whole purpose here is to frame him as the reason and that's fine. There are plenty of haters on this board. I'm more interested in reality and I witnessed San Diego - as a whole - fall behind early and have virtually no time of possession through 3 quarters. As I said before, and maintain, San Diego has the BYE week to attempt to cure their line troubles and fix the defense in some way. LT is healthy, that's the main thing, and he will have legitimate chances over the next few weeks to demonstrate he's got something left in the tank.

This is so ridiculous I don't know where to start...

 

First off, I watched the game, and I was watching when LT rushed for a paltry 2.1 ypc. And I saw him catch 1 pass for -1 yards, and drop another one, and I saw him miss block after block the PITT blitzed. And as a matter of fact, I haven't even looked at the stat sheet to see what anyone finished with "stat wise" (except VJackson from my fantasy team). My original point (I apologize if I didn't communicate it properly), wasn't that LT is benched when they fall behind, but simply he's not kept involved in the passing game like Leon Washington is. More often than not, Sproles is in on obvious passing downs. And when LT still played against PITT, he wasn't involved at all.

 

Were you listening when the commentators made a comment along the lines of..."It's sad to say, but LT doesn't look comfortable in on passing as D. Sproles - both catching the ball out of the backfield and picking up blitzes..."

 

So again, where is the encouraging news for LT owners????

 

And I don't own D. Sproles in any league, as you seemed to have assumed...and it's convenient when he doesn't run well you say...well he obviously can't run well...but when LT sh!ts the bed, it was bad matchups, bad blocking, etc.

 

I've said time and time again, that SD's OLine is awful right now, and part of the problem. But LT doesn't have anything left in his tank to make up for his subpar OLine.

[mambokings 0]

where is the encouraging news for LT owners?

Tomlinson, known for his slow starts, appeared quicker in Week 4 than he did in the first game. Not better, quicker. There is a distinction. It's hard to know just what he's going to look like in a game where he gets 20+ carries. He has not yet had the chance to succeed or fail. Additionally, Sproles, who many LT haters were ready to crown the new franchise back for the San Diego Chargers, has shown over the first 4 games he's best used sparingly in the passing game and on Special Teams. He's no threat to induce a RBBC. So, to recap: LT is healthy, getting his legs under him, has a BYE week for his team to get its act together, he's the only RB of significance on his team, and his schedule only gets easier from here on out. And a final note: even in the injured-plagued beginning to his season, LT scored a TD in the first game and would have been the man to score his 2nd TD had he not been yanked due to injury (remember Sproles getting the goal line TD later in the game? That's Tomlinson territory). Even against the Steelers in a horrible non-game by the Chargers, LT was given a goal line chance to score - again, indicative of his scoring potential when evaluatating the rest of his season. He wasn't even expected to be ready to play against Pittsburgh, but he did anyway. That too is encouraging news, speaking to his durability and commitment. But go on, disregard all of this, since you're not really interest in any positives regarding Tomlinson. Just keep repeating the same tired stat line and claiming he's done after seeing him carry the ball a whopping 20 times the entire year.

[kmbryant09 1]

Tomlinson, known for his slow starts, appeared quicker in Week 4 than he did in the first game. Not better, quicker. There is a distinction. It's hard to know just what he's going to look like in a game where he gets 20+ carries. He has not yet had the chance to succeed or fail. Additionally, Sproles, who many LT haters were ready to crown the new franchise back for the San Diego Chargers, has shown over the first 4 games he's best used sparingly in the passing game and on Special Teams. He's no threat to induce a RBBC. So, to recap: LT is healthy, getting his legs under him, has a BYE week for his team to get its act together, he's the only RB of significance on his team, and his schedule only gets easier from here on out. And a final note: even in the injured-plagued beginning to his season, LT scored a TD in the first game and would have been the man to score his 2nd TD had he not been yanked due to injury (remember Sproles getting the goal line TD later in the game? That's Tomlinson territory). Even against the Steelers in a horrible non-game by the Chargers, LT was given a goal line chance to score - again, indicative of his scoring potential when evaluatating the rest of his season. He wasn't even expected to be ready to play against Pittsburgh, but he did anyway. That too is encouraging news, speaking to his durability and commitment. But go on, disregard all of this, since you're not really interest in any positives regarding Tomlinson. Just keep repeating the same tired stat line and claiming he's done after seeing him carry the ball a whopping 20 times the entire year.

Yeah - real encouraging that your 1st round pick got a goalline TD against the Raiders in a 55 yd/1 TD (one yarder) effort against a team that he's always killed throughout his career. And you say Sproles is best used sparingly, and can't run with success....Yet LT is encouraging because he's healthy and already has a TD??? Sproles has 2 TDs, more rushing yards, more receptions, and more rec. yards than LT does...

 

Enjoy the occasional 60 yards and a score from your top5 pick

[NAn 39]

Tomlinson, known for his slow starts,

 

 

Due respect, but you keep saying this and:

 

1. I've never heard that

2. Look at his game logs for each year of his career: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...0/gamelog/2001/

Most seasons he starts strong. And even the ones where he doesn't, it's usually just the first 1-2 games...by 3-4 he's turned it on.

 

Again, due respect but you rip kmbryant for 'just looking at stat sheet' and 'not watching the game', but then you have been standing by this 'slow start' that just isn't true.

 

Glass houses my friend.

[mambokings 0]

Due respect, but you keep saying this and:

 

1. I've never heard that

2. Look at his game logs for each year of his career: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...0/gamelog/2001/

Most seasons he starts strong. And even the ones where he doesn't, it's usually just the first 1-2 games...by 3-4 he's turned it on.

 

Again, due respect but you rip kmbryant for 'just looking at stat sheet' and 'not watching the game', but then you have been standing by this 'slow start' that just isn't true.

 

Glass houses my friend.

 

I said it once, jackass. Learn to read. A slow start is not the basis of my refusal to stick a fork in him. You would know that if you thought before you spoke. Further, you say "it just isn't true" but in the same post provide evidence and agree that it has been true! That's hilarious. Don't you recognize the contradictions in your own statments? Be that as it may, as you admit, and we all know, historically, it's those first couple games where LT gets over skipping preseason. This year, he played sparingly in the preseason but it was mostly the same non-appearance. As I pointed out, this year, the man has only 20 carries heading in to Week 5. There hasn't been enough to see to know. You need to stay focused on the full context.

[kmbryant09 1]

I said it once, jackass. Learn to read. A slow start is not the basis of my refusal to stick a fork in him. You would know that if you thought before you spoke. Further, you say "it just isn't true" but in the same post provide evidence and agree that it has been true! That's hilarious. Don't you recognize the contradictions in your own statments? Be that as it may, as you admit, and we all know, historically, it's those first couple games where LT gets over skipping preseason. This year, he played sparingly in the preseason but it was mostly the same non-appearance. As I pointed out, this year, the man has only 20 carries heading in to Week 5. There hasn't been enough to see to know. You need to stay focused on the full context.

There hasn't been enough because he's A). been hurt and B. been ineffective

[mambokings 0]

There hasn't been enough because he's A). been hurt and B. been ineffective

 

Yes, he did get hurt, in Week 1, before which he averaged 4.2 yards per carry and scored a touchdown. You consider that ineffective? Of course not. Once again, you point to San Diego's hopeless game against the Pittsburgh Steelers (the best rushing defense in the NFL). It was a bad game overall. He won't play the Steelers every week and the Chargers won't get blown out every week. I suspect you know as much, which is why you're such a broken record while you can still afford to be.

[steel827 2]

This is great stuff. LT owners (I am one) have held him this long and managed to be competitive, there is no reason to now dump him and get scraps (like L.Washington). Ride it out and see what happens. In week one he got 50 yds and a score in limited action. Not top 5, but he got hurt. He is now an injury risk so he may be a matchup guy. He still has something left. It's not like a couple of years ago, but he can be productive. My goodness, it sounds like if he can't get 125 and 2 scores every week then he's useless. Even AP doesn't do that week in and week out. Relax, if you don't have him then enjoy his failures, if you do then enjoy his successes.

[NAn 39]

I said it once, jackass. Learn to read. A slow start is not the basis of my refusal to stick a fork in him. You would know that if you thought before you spoke. Further, you say "it just isn't true" but in the same post provide evidence and agree that it has been true! That's hilarious. Don't you recognize the contradictions in your own statments? Be that as it may, as you admit, and we all know, historically, it's those first couple games where LT gets over skipping preseason. This year, he played sparingly in the preseason but it was mostly the same non-appearance. As I pointed out, this year, the man has only 20 carries heading in to Week 5. There hasn't been enough to see to know. You need to stay focused on the full context.

 

 

LOL, so you resort to name calling...typical.

 

1. Okay you said it once...so you were WRONG once instead of several times, my bad.

2. I wasn't contesting 'putting a fork in him', just your erroneous contention that he is know for his slow starts (thought apparently only know to you as opposed to actual fact).

 

I particularly like the double talk where you basically change the subject away from fact that you were wrong.

 

Classic.

 

Why so bitter mambo? seriously man, it's a ff board, relax.

[The Football Guru 222]

There is actually a lot of truth to the notion that the Chargers haven't had a good matchup BUT there isn't a lot of truth to the notion that Sproles can't run or that LT is finished...

 

Over the last three games, SD has faced the NFL's three best rush defenses (Arizona is at #2, but only b/c it has played one less game). As much as LT owners see Denver as a relief from that stretch of poor matchups, it's not b/c Denver is #6. After that, however, only the Giants, Broncos (again) and Titans appear to be all that stingy vs. the run.

 

Sproles is a career 4.4 YPC guy, so let's get away from the notion that his current 2.4 will stick. But also don't call LT broken down for averaging 3.5 YPC against such a horrible opening sked. He's already admitted he's rusty and not all there, but I'll guarantee you he's better than he was at any point last season.

 

It should be recognized that only one other runner with significant carries in a game this season averaged over four yards/carry vs. Oakland - Correll Buckhalter. Not Knowshon Moreno, not Steve Slaton...not even Darren Sproles. LT did most of his damage on a sprained ankle.

[mambokings 0]

LOL, so you resort to name calling...typical.

 

1. Okay you said it once...so you were WRONG once instead of several times, my bad.

2. I wasn't contesting 'putting a fork in him', just your erroneous contention that he is know for his slow starts (thought apparently only know to you as opposed to actual fact).

 

I particularly like the double talk where you basically change the subject away from fact that you were wrong.

 

Classic.

 

Why so bitter mambo? seriously man, it's a ff board, relax.

I called you a jackass because that's how you were behaving. You tried to slander my position on Tomlinson by stating falsehoods and putting words in my mouth. Should I have complimented you for being deceitful? Secondly, what did I say that was incorrect? You yourself admitted that LT in the past has taken until Games 3 and 4 to really get going and that's no mystery to anyone who follows professional football. Skipping preseason doesn't make someone any more ready to play. All that happens is you take the offseason rust into the games that matter. It happens all around the league. Regardless, you went further in agreeing with me about those slow starts - your exact words were "it's usually just the first 1-2 games". So, in the same post you were simultaneously claiming I was wrong you were also agreeing with me. If I seemed bitter it was because you tried to make something up about what I had said and then you proceeded to contradict yourself in your own post (thus discrediting your entire premise). That would upset anyone who's simply trying to make an honest assessment of the Tomlinson situation.

[NAn 39]

I called you a jackass because that's how you were behaving. You tried to slander my position on Tomlinson by stating falsehoods and putting words in my mouth. Should I have complimented you for being deceitful? Secondly, what did I say that was incorrect? You yourself admitted that LT in the past has taken until Games 3 and 4 to really get going and that's no mystery to anyone who follows professional football. Skipping preseason doesn't make someone any more ready to play. All that happens is you take the offseason rust into the games that matter. It happens all around the league. Regardless, you went further in agreeing with me about those slow starts - your exact words were "it's usually just the first 1-2 games". So, in the same post you were simultaneously claiming I was wrong you were also agreeing with me. If I seemed bitter it was because you tried to make something up about what I had said and then you proceeded to contradict yourself in your own post (thus discrediting your entire premise). That would upset anyone who's simply trying to make an honest assessment of the Tomlinson situation.

 

Okay so now we're just talking football, without name calling.

 

I wasn't slandering your entire position on Tomlinson...you're having that arguement with the other half dozen people opposinig your stance...JUST your statement that he is know for slow starts.

 

And sure didn't put words in your mouth, you said 'Tomlinson, know for his slow starts'.

 

Which is just not true...there are TWO seasons were he does that, every other year he's been off to solid/great starts...seriously did you even look at the link?

 

And my reference to 1-2 games was alluding to fact that we are now in week 4, and he has not turned it on. So even if you took into consideration those 2 seasons, that he should have come around by now. So to clarify, the phrase was poorly stated. My apologies. Fact remains with EXCEPTION of those two seasons, your statement was in error, and if we compared where he's been in past seasons to where we are now in week4 of this season, then THIS year is the slow start, not the others.

 

Enough on that, I'm over it if you are.

 

I think you make some solid points actually, though admittedly also think he's done....at least being the stud he once was.

 

Agree (not even sure if it was you or someone else) that Sproles is not built to be an every down back...but think what he has show to be suited for is a poor man's Reggie Bush (actually Reggie Bush is a poor man's Reggie Bush, but that's another thread altogether), where he can mixed in and, just speculating, but say get 12-15 touches a game, cutting into LT's potential touches. What has always made LT so valuable is he got so many touches, so his value would obviously take a hit if those were reduced.

 

So I really think the arguement going on here is some are arguing he's done as a stud, while some are arguing that he still has value...but not necessarily as a stud (just my take, could be off base).

 

I honestly think he just won't contribute very much period, but could definitely see if one believed, no you're not going to get stud numbers from him, but if he could be had at a relatively cheap price, he could produce as a #2/#3.

[mambokings 0]

I don't know what to expect of Tomlinson for the rest of the year. I wasn't too impressed by how he looked in Week 1, yet he did produce a good YPC and scored in a game during which he rolled his ankle. The Chargers offensive line was also decimated, seemingly all at once. They lost C-Nick Hardwick. They lost RG-Vasquez. Even their Left Tackle, McNeil, got hurt. He wanted to leave the game but he was forced to continue playing because the Chargers only dressed seven linemen. How focked up is that? I know it's unfair to judge Tomlinson based on one game, especially the first of the year where it's practically still the preseason for all the starters who hadn't played four quarters since 2008. The Steelers game? Same kind of thing. How can I judge LT because San Diego flopped for three quarters and virtually had no business in the game whatsoever? It's been a confusing, focked up, injury-plagued mess...there's just not enough to go on, when trying to project what Tomlinson can do for the rest of the year.

 

Regarding the team, San Diego hasn't looked right in all four games. They've had bad matchups, but it's more than that. Clearly Norv Turner and Rivers have this thing all wrong and they've lost their balance offensively. During the Steelers game, you could tell Rivers and LT were fighting and it's pretty easy to understand why: for years this was Tomlinson's team, a run-first offense with him as the star. Last year, with LT getting hurt, Rivers took over. We all know what a spoiled brat Rivers is and it's clear he isn't a fan of the run-first or even balanced-offense approach. He wants to make it the Philip Rivers show, like it was last year. But something has to give. The Chargers need LT and the balance of a solid running game. They need to regain the ability to build up time of possession, if nothing else to help their struggling defense. Hopefully the Chargers will use this BYE week to focus on rebuilding a more balanced attack, with a healthy Tomlinson back in the mix. That would put him right back on the fantasy map. I'm really interested in the next few games, especially how they come out against Denver. It's a tough challenge, but we'll learn if they've made any adjustments.

[DeaLerZ 0]

I don't know what to expect of Tomlinson for the rest of the year. I wasn't too impressed by how he looked in Week 1, yet he did produce a good YPC and scored in a game during which he rolled his ankle. The Chargers offensive line was also decimated, seemingly all at once. They lost C-Nick Hardwick. They lost RG-Vasquez. Even their Left Tackle, McNeil, got hurt. He wanted to leave the game but he was forced to continue playing because the Chargers only dressed seven linemen. How focked up is that? I know it's unfair to judge Tomlinson based on one game, especially the first of the year where it's practically still the preseason for all the starters who hadn't played four quarters since 2008. The Steelers game? Same kind of thing. How can I judge LT because San Diego flopped for three quarters and virtually had no business in the game whatsoever? It's been a confusing, focked up, injury-plagued mess...there's just not enough to go on, when trying to project what Tomlinson can do for the rest of the year.

 

Regarding the team, San Diego hasn't looked right in all four games. They've had bad matchups, but it's more than that. Clearly Norv Turner and Rivers have this thing all wrong and they've lost their balance offensively. During the Steelers game, you could tell Rivers and LT were fighting and it's pretty easy to understand why: for years this was Tomlinson's team, a run-first offense with him as the star. Last year, with LT getting hurt, Rivers took over. We all know what a spoiled brat Rivers is and it's clear he isn't a fan of the run-first or even balanced-offense approach. He wants to make it the Philip Rivers show, like it was last year. But something has to give. The Chargers need LT and the balance of a solid running game. They need to regain the ability to build up time of possession, if nothing else to help their struggling defense. Hopefully the Chargers will use this BYE week to focus on rebuilding a more balanced attack, with a healthy Tomlinson back in the mix. That would put him right back on the fantasy map. I'm really interested in the next few games, especially how they come out against Denver. It's a tough challenge, but we'll learn if they've made any adjustments.

 

by far the most intelligent, and objective post on this entire thread...this is all you can really say about LT right now (you guys really had a constructive argument.. well done haha)

 

[fingerbang!! 0]

Regarding the team, San Diego hasn't looked right in all four games. They've had bad matchups, but it's more than that. Clearly Norv Turner and Rivers have this thing all wrong and they've lost their balance offensively. During the Steelers game, you could tell Rivers and LT were fighting and it's pretty easy to understand why: for years this was Tomlinson's team, a run-first offense with him as the star. Last year, with LT getting hurt, Rivers took over. We all know what a spoiled brat Rivers is and it's clear he isn't a fan of the run-first or even balanced-offense approach. He wants to make it the Philip Rivers show, like it was last year. But something has to give. The Chargers need LT and the balance of a solid running game. They need to regain the ability to build up time of possession, if nothing else to help their struggling defense. Hopefully the Chargers will use this BYE week to focus on rebuilding a more balanced attack, with a healthy Tomlinson back in the mix. That would put him right back on the fantasy map. I'm really interested in the next few games, especially how they come out against Denver. It's a tough challenge, but we'll learn if they've made any adjustments.

 

I agree with your characterization of Tomlinson, but to say that Norv and/or Rivers are doing something wrong is ridiculous at this point. The passing game is the only thing going right in San Diego right now, while Rivers and his development under Norv are the only reasons the Chargers made the playoffs last year and the only reason they have gone 2-2 to start 2009; having a 90+ passer rating, and being second in the NFL in passing yards behind one of the worst o-lines in football and with a running game averaging a league-worst (historically-worst) 30ish yards a game? thats amazing. The Chargers fall behind immediately every game, opposing defenses know they are going to pass on every down because they have no "running" back w/o LT healthy, and yet Rivers still beats them through the air. They aren't implementing an unabalanced offense by choice but because they can't even consider it due to their defensive woes and lack of run-first personal at running back, full back, and oline.

 

LT will indeed help balance the offense when he returns and in turn will help to eat up more of the clock, but it is ultimately up to the Chargers defense to return balance to the offensive playcalling as Tomlinson can't be expected see a carry after the 1st quarter if they are constantly down by two scores.

 

Also, what makes you think Rivers is a 'spoiled brat' ? I've never heard that characterization of him from anyone except some once misguided Bronco fans who have since come to their senses.

[goodoldalky 0]

The facts are this:

 

1. SD has Darren Sproles to back up LT. Darren Sproles cannot, under any circumstances, be an every down back. There is no Michael Turner on the roster any more. The Chargers had plenty of opportunities, knowing Sproles can't do it, to pick up a decent backup tailback in the draft or in FA if they were worried about LT. But they brought LT back without anyone capable of stepping in full time behind him. This means that SD is very comfortable with his abilities and has anticipated him to be able to carry the run game as he has done in the past.

 

2. SD has had tough run matchups and has been playing from behind. Baltimore is the #1 rush D in the NFL, Miami is #2, and Pittsburgh is #3. What do you expect?

 

The fact is that the Chargers organization has no doubts about LT or his ability to run the football. He has had a tough hand the first few weeks but that is certain to turn around.

 

I don't have him... but I'd sure love to trade for him. Just my .02.

[jbeef86 0]

He plays in the AFC West!!! I said the AFC West!!! of course he has value and of course is a good buy low candidate. Thats really the bottom line isnt it. Maybe 6 or 7 games on the schedule where he can break 100 and 1td.....thats value isnt it?

[The Football Guru 222]

Question regarding LT's value here...loaded at RB but need a #1 WR (or someone that acts like one) in a PPR.

 

Here's the part of my roster that matters for this discussion

 

Jones-Drew, Maurice

Brown, Ronnie

Tomlinson, Ladainian

Bradshaw, Ahmad

McCoy, LeSean

Bell, Mike

Gonzalez, Anthony

Jackson, DeSean

Holt, Torry

Berrian, Bernard

Garcon, Pierre

 

Option #1 - I can trade Ronnie straight up for Andre Johnson, but at the expense of giving the other team as good of roster as I have. He would have Ronnie and PT at RB while I would have MJD and LT. I would have the better WR1, but he's probably deeper at WR than I am even after the trade. With Ronnie and MJD, I own two of the top three backs in the league. Without Ronnie, I own perhaps the best PPR RB (MJD) and best PPR WR (AJ), but LT would be #2 and a serious downgrade from Ronnie almost regardless of how he returns.

 

Option #2 - I was just offered LT and A Gonzalez for C Taylor/maybe Choice and Housh. Seattle is #3 in pass attempts/game so far (behind NE and ARI) despite the fact the 'Hawks have won games 28-0 and 41-0 so far, which explains why both Burleson and Housh are top 10 in targets. Back to the point, can Housh be viewed as a WR1 going forward? I like his sked and can't see Burleson keeping his production up all season long, so I'm strongly considering this deal. Gonzalez still isn't practicing and his role when he returns is getting cloudier by the week.

 

Even if LT comes back with 100 yards and 2 TDs, would I be foolish to hold out for more than Housh in return? I would really like some feedback one way or the other...

[The Football Guru 222]

Anyone want to venture an opinion?

[DeaLerZ 0]

Anyone want to venture an opinion?

 

yea figure it out for yourself.. or go to the help board

[Knowsome Bobarino 0]

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but put me in the camp that still thinks LT is a viable fantasy option. He's not an elite player anymore, I think that much is clear. However, hearing that leagues have people outright dropping him is silly. I have a feeling that in two weeks time, we're going to be having a very different conversation in regards to Tomlinson.

[The Football Guru 222]

yea figure it out for yourself.. or go to the help board

 

Ya know what? I did...and <crickets>

[BigBlue7 0]

Question regarding LT's value here...loaded at RB but need a #1 WR (or someone that acts like one) in a PPR.

 

Here's the part of my roster that matters for this discussion

 

Jones-Drew, Maurice

Brown, Ronnie

Tomlinson, Ladainian

Bradshaw, Ahmad

McCoy, LeSean

Bell, Mike

Gonzalez, Anthony

Jackson, DeSean

Holt, Torry

Berrian, Bernard

Garcon, Pierre

 

Option #1 - I can trade Ronnie straight up for Andre Johnson, but at the expense of giving the other team as good of roster as I have. He would have Ronnie and PT at RB while I would have MJD and LT. I would have the better WR1, but he's probably deeper at WR than I am even after the trade. With Ronnie and MJD, I own two of the top three backs in the league. Without Ronnie, I own perhaps the best PPR RB (MJD) and best PPR WR (AJ), but LT would be #2 and a serious downgrade from Ronnie almost regardless of how he returns.

 

Option #2 - I was just offered LT and A Gonzalez for C Taylor/maybe Choice and Housh. Seattle is #3 in pass attempts/game so far (behind NE and ARI) despite the fact the 'Hawks have won games 28-0 and 41-0 so far, which explains why both Burleson and Housh are top 10 in targets. Back to the point, can Housh be viewed as a WR1 going forward? I like his sked and can't see Burleson keeping his production up all season long, so I'm strongly considering this deal. Gonzalez still isn't practicing and his role when he returns is getting cloudier by the week.

 

Even if LT comes back with 100 yards and 2 TDs, would I be foolish to hold out for more than Housh in return? I would really like some feedback one way or the other...

 

I love how there is a heated debate going on (hahah)...and someone comes along and throws a team management question in there.

 

Oh boy....this really is a problem.

[DeaLerZ 0]

I love how there is a heated debate going on (hahah)...and someone comes along and throws a team management question in there.

 

Oh boy....this really is a problem.

 

yea i know hah.. its like an infection

[The Football Guru 222]

You'll be happy to know then I already decided to do the deal...which one, I guess you'll never know.

 

You've got to be kidding me about this "infection" crap...I went to the "A Little Help" board and I got absolutely nothing; I've been a member here for about five years, so save the talk about how your little forum is being overrun with people who don't know the "rules". You may also realize that your heated debate took about a five-day break before I posed this question, so you take it easy on that front too.

 

I apologize if it looked like I was posing a team management question, but I was trying to provide context. And you'll notice that my one question was "would I be foolish to hold out for more than Housh in return?" not "which deal should I do?"

 

On a board where we exchange 1000s of opinions each year and 10% of the responses are about can size, I get hassled for trying to get a gauge on LT's value on a LT thread.

[rallo 136]

just made a trade for him recently

 

i gave braylon, k. smith, and s. breaston

 

i got LT, ochocinco

 

seemed semi-fair... i may have given up too much with k. smith... but i don't like his playoff schedule...

 

hopefully LT can turn it around for the rest of the season...