Trade vetoed

[cbfalcon 825]

In fact, multiple posters are even confused which side you think the trade is lopsided towards...

 

Multiple posters are idiots then.

 

In fact, only 2 posters in this thread that have over 5,000 posts have even given an opinion. Me, and Jarvis, who recommended you rename yourself "ffdouchebag".

 

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

[ffexpert 4]

In case you aren't sure how this works, people don't like threads like this here for the 20 reasons posted above, and you are being trolled, and you just continue to feed him.

 

I agree/understand this. I am, of course, bored at work so I am responding. should it have gone in the a little help section? And several people gave good insight so I got out of it what i wanted so I don't really care.

[ffexpert 4]

Multiple posters are idiots then.

 

In fact, only 2 posters in this thread that have over 5,000 posts have even given an opinion. Me, and Jarvis, who recommended you rename yourself "ffdouchebag".

 

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

 

You're right more points = more knowledge...you are a genius. You have been very helpful, thanks.

[Lion Fan 0]

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

 

Not cool dude. Just because I rarley see a topic I want to chime in on doesn't mean I cant offer any valuable insight. FYI this post gives me 97! If we keep this up I just might be in your 5000 club before my dinner is ready.

 

More FYI 8 championships in 2 different leagues over 12 years. Yea, me rock. :-)

[mobb_deep 920]

veto imo. both teams are getting ripped off. it's not fair to either team.

 

i have almost 6,000 posts, so i know.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

You're right more points = more knowledge...you are a genius. You have been very helpful, thanks.

 

He wasnt saying more points is more knowledge, he was admitting to trolling.

 

I fell for it because i saw the thread was active and wanted to debate the Ben/Calvin/Holmes side.

[TimHauck 2,873]

At first I thought cbfalcon was being sarcastic. But now I'm not so sure...if he is and is trying to be funny, he's not doing a very good job at it

 

In regards to the actual topic at hand, that is a very even trade, with you probably getting the worse end of the deal.

 

Nonetheless, I know everyone hates trade veto threads, but the worst ones are usually "This trade just got accepted in my league...shouldn't it be vetoed?" This guy is arguing that this trade should NOT have been vetoed after it already was. Although yes I know the obvious response is "who plays in leagues where trades can be vetoed?"

 

That said, I'd rather read a trade veto thread (just to see people's opinions on the trades) than a rate my team or who should I start thread...not that that's really saying much

[cbfalcon 825]

Not cool dude. Just because I rarley see a topic I want to chime in on doesn't mean I cant offer any valuable insight. FYI this post gives me 97! If we keep this up I just might be in your 5000 club before my dinner is ready.

 

More FYI 8 championships in 2 different leagues over 12 years. Yea, me rock. :-)

 

Points? If we got points for our posts, I'd have way more than 5,000 and you'd have way less than 97.

 

8 titles over 12 years and you call this trade fair? You must be playing with family members.

[cbfalcon 825]

He wasnt saying more points is more knowledge, he was admitting to trolling.

 

I fell for it because i saw the thread was active and wanted to debate the Ben/Calvin/Holmes side.

 

Huh?

[Lion Fan 0]

Points? If we got points for our posts, I'd have way more than 5,000 and you'd have way less than 97.

 

8 titles over 12 years and you call this trade fair? You must be playing with family members.

 

Ooooooooh! I love that come back. It's up there with "can I be in your league?". You made my day. Thank you.

 

Btw. I'm still waiting for you to assign your $$ to each player so we can all see just how unfair it is. Or are you hiding from your own "logic"???

[Lion Fan 0]

Not trying to be an @as here. But could you assign a $ value to each of these players? I think that might help me (others) understand how you're getting to the huge gap that would deem it "unfair"

 

Cbfalcon....hello? You there?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

im on the Calvin, Santonio, Ben side, but I can argue the other side if needed.

 

Trade looks pretty fair to me either way. This trade should never even be thought to be vetoed

[cbfalcon 825]

im on the Calvin, Santonio, Ben side, but I can argue the other side if needed.

 

Trade looks pretty fair to me either way. This trade should never even be thought to be vetoed

 

If you don't realize the trade is unfair, despite an entire league realizing it needed to be vetoed, then I'm guessing you don't have anywhere near 8 FF championships like Lions Fan.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

If you don't realize the trade is unfair, despite an entire league realizing it needed to be vetoed, then I'm guessing you don't have anywhere near 8 FF championships like Lions Fan.

 

i have 62 FF championships dating back to 1936

[Lion Fan 0]

If you don't realize the trade is unfair, despite an entire league realizing it needed to be vetoed, then I'm guessing you don't have anywhere near 8 FF championships like Lions Fan.

 

And you still cannot back up your claim (your $$ theory)

 

Yes, I do have 8 championship rings....but I don't wear them all the time. Only to weddings and stuff like that. Otherwise it's tacky.

[Cel 0]

Multiple posters are idiots then.

 

In fact, only 2 posters in this thread that have over 5,000 posts have even given an opinion. Me, and Jarvis, who recommended you rename yourself "ffdouchebag".

 

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

 

Good god, you're a jackass.

[Lion Fan 0]

Good god, you're a jackass.

 

That sums it up.

[cbfalcon 825]

Good god, you're a jackass.

 

Q: What is me being a jackass and a totally unfair trade?

 

A: 2 things that are not mutually exclusive.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Q: What is me being a jackass and a totally unfair trade?

 

A: 2 things that are not mutually exclusive.

 

You still haven't said what is unfair about it. Why don't you talk about each and every player in the trade and explain your reasoning.

 

 

:thisshouldbegood:

[cbfalcon 825]

You still haven't said what is unfair about it. Why don't you talk about each and every player in the trade and explain your reasoning.

:thisshouldbegood

The trade was vetoed by an entire league because it was correctly deemed unfair. The facts and the decision back up my belief that this was a joke of an attempted trade.

 

The burden is on you guys so you should talk about each and every player and explain why what rightfully did happen shouldn't have.

 

thisshouldbegood

[Gepetto 1,368]

The trade was vetoed by an entire league because it was correctly deemed unfair. The facts and the decision back up my belief that this was a joke of an attempted trade.

 

The burden is on you guys so you should talk about each and every player and explain why what rightfully did happen shouldn't have.

 

thisshouldbegood

 

It's quite reasonable to believe the league members that voted to veto the trade did so because it improved both teams involved in the trade making their own teams look not as good.

 

I asked you first, so go ahead, discuss Randy Moss vs. Calvin Johnson, etc., etc. ...

 

Then we can get some real perspective about the actual trade and our thoughts on it.

[cbfalcon 825]

It's quite reasonable to believe the league members that voted to veto the trade did so because it improved both teams involved in the trade making their own teams look not as

Translation: I think i will join a league in which we will vote on certain decisions.

 

If my side wins a vote, I will abide by the rules I agreed to. If my side does not win a vote, I will refuse to abide by the rules I agreed to and my reasoning will be that anyone that doesn't agree with me is probably dishonest.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Translation: I think i will join a league in which we will vote on certain decisions.

 

If my side wins a vote, I will abide by the rules I agreed to. If my side does not win a vote, I will refuse to abide by the rules I agreed to and my reasoning will be that anyone that doesn't agree with me is probably dishonest.

 

Their commish overruled the veto. Why don't you explain that one just as eloquently. We still don't know which side of this trade you feel is so much better. Waiting... :jeopardy music:

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Translation: I think i will join a league in which we will vote on certain decisions.

 

If my side wins a vote, I will abide by the rules I agreed to. If my side does not win a vote, I will refuse to abide by the rules I agreed to and my reasoning will be that anyone that doesn't agree with me is probably dishonest.

 

 

 

Why don't you man up and tell us why it's unfair. I am interested for some reason and I am tired of reading this bickering. State some facts or STFU.

 

I lean towards the OP loosing on this trade by a small margin, but the trade should be allowed.

[Gepetto 1,368]

sorry i do not know if this is the wrong forum, and people may not care, but i wanted some insight on if it is rediculous that this trade got vetoed.

 

I Gave Up : Calvin Johnson, Big Ben, Santonio Holmes

 

I Got: Randy Moss, Chad Henne, Mike Sims-Walker

 

they guy i am trading has Brett Farve, and wanted Big Ben in case Farve continues to suck.

 

the guys in my league thought I was getting too good of a deal, is this madness?

 

I like Randy Moss better than Calvin and I like Sims-Walker better than Holmes and if you have a good starting quarterback you did well, although losing Big Ben hurts your depth and he could be a very good starter and I completely expect him to have a very good year when he gets back.

 

As a Favre owner I just made a trade involving multiple players where I had to give up Nicks, my starting WR3 so I could get Donovan McNabb. I liked the other three players also included in the trade and I can move Mike Williams TB into my WR3 slot and now start Dez Bryant who I acquired in the trade in my flex spot or I could start A. Hernandez in the flex who I got off of waivers. Knowing this and how bad Favre is I made the trade. Sure Favre plays Detroit this week and he could turn it around, but he has been awful and it's a very long season especially for a 41 year old QB.

 

 

Calvin has the potential to be close enough to Randy Moss or even outproduce him in enough weeks this year to make him a solid WR1 still. Holmes could come back and be great - he's been very dedicated and looked outstanding in practices during training camp I've heard from someone who watched him. Big Ben could be top 8 QB and put up very good points most week and the owner having Favre makes it a very good trade for him.

 

It seems like a very even trade and your leaguemates are just upset your team is getting better, and not realizing how much Big Ben could help the Favre owner you traded with.

[HowieWan 0]

I like Calvin over Moss and MSW over Holmes. Of course, I like Ben over Henne. I think this trade helps both teams. Good trade.

[Giants Fan 85]

The problem is a trade is NEVER going to be $10 for $10. It will ALWAYS be a bit of a gamble. You might get $11 back for your $10, you might get $8.43. But a trade in FF will NEVER be exactly even, and there's really no way to know ahead of time who will be getting the better value.

[madd futher mucker 36]

That trade is pretty unbalanced. I'd be forced to veto it as well. Your commish did the right thing.

 

cbfalcon, YOU sir, are a retard. No veto. Not even close.

[oneinchgroups@100yds 0]

We now know how Mr Falcon got into his self proclaimed 5000 post club. Who f...in cares how many posts someone has?

[KOTN14 0]

I only read half the posts, lost interest when the insults about screen name started to fly.

 

Anyway, I don't see how that can be vetoed, especially thinking that you are getting the better end of the deal.

 

It's not Week 1 anymore. Santonio will be back next week, Big Ben the week after. Those are two every week starters, plus you are giving up Megatron.

 

You get back Moss (who is hypothetically better than Megatron), Henne (a backup QB) and MSW (push with Holmes).

 

Personally, I think you are getting the short end of the stick. But I can justify it for both teams. No way is it lopsided.

[steelers2101 7]

insightful? you must be an expert since you can tell if a trade is fair/good without even seeing the rosters involved?

 

 

This is pretty silly. The rosters shouldn't matter given that the positions traded are the same. A couple weeks of suspensions shouldn't make a difference, especially with Henne playing the Jets this week. 2 weeks of mediocre Sims-Walker instead of some stop-gap fill ins before Holmes returns shouldn't make the rosters any more relevant.

 

Having said that, non-collusive trades shouldn't be vetoed (and this deal clearly isn't collusive), but I think you might find it to be fortunate that this trade was vetoed, as long as Calvin doesn't bust and Moss doesn't go off too much, though that is entirely possible, in which case you'll be even more upset that it was vetoed.

[sandblaster 0]

There are still leagues out there that veto trades? How old fashioned!

 

Unless collusion is involved, no trade should be vetoed. Never. Ever. Ever.

 

I'm new around here, but I swear to christ if I hear on more person here say "no collusion, no veto" again, I'm gonna have a focking aneurysm. Lighten up folks, just because another league has different rules than yours doesn't mean they're wrong or bad or dumb. In my league, we are allowed to issue a veto for any reason whatsoever, including if we just aren't in the mood - if there are five vetoes, the trade is killed No trades have ever actually been successfully vetoed, but that's beside the point. I look forward to the slew of "can I join your league" emails.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Their commish overruled the veto. Why don't you explain that one just as eloquently. We still don't know which side of this trade you feel is so much better. Waiting... :jeopardy music:

 

You're gonna be waiting a long time, Gepetto. This has been cbfalcon's shtick for quite awhile now, in multiple threads. At first I thought he was just jerking around people that were posting on the wrong bored, but I'm beginning to think he actually believes what he says, and is just that obtuse.

 

But then again, what do I know....I don't have 5,000 posts yet.

[Bunky211 0]

I completely agree with cbfalcon in so many ways on this thread. Pretty much every post he's got you.

[cbfalcon 825]

I completely agree with cbfalcon in so many ways on this thread. Pretty much every post he's got you.

 

Thank you.

 

I swear, it's as if the guys that think the trade is legit don't understand what makes a league fair and fun. FF isn't just about ripping people off like they owe you something.

[Evil Genius 0]

I cannot believe I read this entire thread. Furthermore, I cannot believe I am adding to it.

 

It's 6:30 in the morning, I have been up since 5 - insomnia.

 

And despite the fact that cbfalcon has been the more articulate poster throughout this thread....he's merely insistant on trying to be right, instead of correct.

 

Get over yourself, mister.

 

The trade should not have been vetoed.

 

Why, oh why, veto anything in Week 3..? Who is giving up and/or cheating at 0-2 or 2-0? Very likely, nobody.

 

Furthermore, speculative future values within the trade in question are ballpark enough that no one should even have moaned let alone veto. Even if a trade is far apart, vetos are not there to protect one fellow from cutting his own throat, prevent another fellow from getting the better end of a deal, or un-wedgy-ing the bunched up panties of the non-involved fellows.

 

[shaking my head] 'Fair and fun'? How about that this is a game I play to win. Money.

 

For the love of all things holy - if I strike a deal with anyone, where he likes the deal and I like the deal, and we both are still trying to win - nobody, but nobody should be getting in the way of that.

[TimHauck 2,873]

You're gonna be waiting a long time, Gepetto. This has been cbfalcon's shtick for quite awhile now, in multiple threads. At first I thought he was just jerking around people that were posting on the wrong bored, but I'm beginning to think he actually believes wha t he says, and is just that obtuse.

 

But then again, what do I know....I don't have 5,000 posts yet.

 

Same here...Although I'm still not sure if he's serious or not. The fact that he won't even say which side the trade is lopsided towards makes me think he's just trying to jerk people around, but he definitely is trying to sound serious in his posts, and there's even been some posters in here over the 5,000 post mark (because apparently those are the only ones that count) that have thought he was serious, so maybe he is.

[cbfalcon 825]

I think todays games do more than prove my point. No legit league let's that trade go through if one of the leagues goals is to last awhile.

[Gepetto 1,368]

I think todays games do more than prove my point. No legit league let's that trade go through if one of the leagues goals is to last awhile.

 

No it doesn't. You're an idiot.

[cbfalcon 825]

No it doesn't. You're an idiot.

 

If you were a Fantasy Football Expert like ffexpert is, you'd see why the trade was unfair. Yes, he has probably even wised up after seeing this weekends games.

 

In all seriousness, the reality is that too many people like to use the crutch phrase "no collusion equals no veto". That's fine and dandy for cut throat leagues that are all about ripping off the one girl in the league or the guy in the league that doesn't know anything about football. Granted the problem solves itself because the player will feel taken advantage of and not be back next season, but whatever cuz you got yours.

 

But most people play FF because it's a good time and maybe there are a few bucks on the line to make it more interesting. But if the goal is to have a fun league, vetoes are valid and they are necessary. Trades like the one in this thread are the exact reason why.