Kevin Kolb

[The Next Generation 11]

Our plan worked perfectly. We talked him down for so many years that we tricked you into trading him to us at a discount and now you're left holding a bag of sh1t named Kevin Kolb.

 

 

We'll see how well your plan is working in 2-3 years. For now, it was just 1 game. A game in which our starting QB got hurt in the 1st Q, no less. Kudos, McNabb beat our backup QB. Let's see how McNabb and co. do against a powerhouse like the Rams...D'oh!

[Stewburtx8 67]

Our plan worked perfectly. We talked him down for so many years that we tricked you into trading him to us at a discount and now you're left holding a bag of sh1t named Kevin Kolb.

 

 

 

I don't think Daniel Snyder EVER has a plan.

[JT 137]

 

2010 unfortunately was that point. Donovan was in the last year of his contract, same with Kolb. You weren't signing both of them. There was a market for Kevin Kolb out there (especially Tom Heckert in Cleveland who coveted him) and he wasn't going to resign for less money as a backup in Philly. So they had to make a choice. Do you hold on with Donovan McNabb, have no possible future replacement for him, and try to scratch out a few more playoff births, etc., or do you see what you have in Kevin Kolb. Unfortunately Kolb hasn't looked very good at all, but you still had to see what he could do in my opinion. This team wasn't a Super Bowl contender THIS year with Donovan McNabb. Yes, they might of been a playoff contender, but after years and years of going to the playoffs, this shouldn't be the goal. I still didn't WANT them to trade Mcnabb, but I knew it was the correct business decision.

 

This is the point that seems to go over the head of so many. It's a business...a HUGE business, in which every decision has the potential to impact high-profile, highly-paid jobs, not to mention the value of billion dollar franchises.

 

For all the heat Reid and the Eagles front office take, there's no franchise in football that was in a better place, personnel and dollar wise, to make the McNabb trade. Two guys they felt could be NFL starting QB's...one who has been a star in the past and looked like he could approach that level again, another whose potential they love...on the roster. Both playing for money far below that of an NFL starter. Name another team in the league with that much depth at the position. Look at the quality of backups around the league. Philly had a rejuvenated Vick, and a young guy they like in Kolb. Maybe they're worng on Kolb, but 4 quarters, split over two games, isn't nearly enough to make that judgement.

 

I'm sure San Diego would have loved to have kept both Brees and Rivers. Brees landed in a great spot, has played fantastic, and won a ring. But does that mean that San Diego, which has been a perrenial contender and division winner, with an All Pro QB still in his 20's, made a bad move? They let LT go in favor of Mathews. LT has played far better than I expected, and Mathews hasn't done much. Is the move judged a failure after 4 weeks?

 

Brady got hurt and Cassell played. Not well enough to equal Brady's sucess, but well enough to command huge dollars. Think NE would have liked to keep both? In their case, they decided to keep the guy who is either #1 or 1A at the position in the last decade. Philly could have let Kolb go; he'd have had no shortage of offers. But is McNabb at the Brady level?

 

Happens all the time. Out with the old, in with the new. Make a choice between older and proven vs younger and less expensive.

 

Unfortunately, this is like the endless annual discussions where people have to have it explained to them that RB involves more than just the ability to run. Personnel moves involve more than just who looks better today. And as far as that goes, did anyone watch the game Sunday? No, Kolb didn't look like anything special. Just like McNabb.

[JT 137]

Our plan worked perfectly. We talked him down for so many years that we tricked you into trading him to us at a discount and now you're left holding a bag of sh1t named Kevin Kolb.

 

 

Were you waving that towel after you lost to St. Louis?

 

That's the joy of Donnie Football. Get used to it.

[surferskin 31]

We'll see how well your plan is working in 2-3 years. For now, it was just 1 game. A game in which our starting QB got hurt in the 1st Q, no less. Kudos, McNabb beat our backup QB. Let's see how McNabb and co. do against a powerhouse like the Rams...D'oh!

 

Oh, now Kolb is just your backup. I thought he was the future? Classic.

[surferskin 31]

Were you waving that towel after you lost to St. Louis?

 

That's the joy of Donnie Football. Get used to it.

 

No, after just going up to philly injuring half your team and leaving that shithole with a "W".

[edjr 7,038]

I don't think Daniel Snyder EVER has a plan.

 

he is the Hannibal Smith of plans, when it comes to being a douche

[The Next Generation 11]

Oh, now Kolb is just your backup. I thought he was the future? Classic.

 

I'm not claiming he's our backup, he IS our backup. You just can't fix stupid, I guess.

[Doozer 0]

I'm not claiming he's our backup, he IS our backup. You just can't fix stupid, I guess.

Expensive backup! I wish most teams had the flexibility in their finances to sign a backup to a 2 year 12 mill deal!! As to all the Vick supporters... he played against the Detroit Lions, Jaguars, and a half against an unprepared seemingly mediocre GB defense. He hasn't been tested at all.

 

You were right about Kolb's accuracy too, he is very accurate when throwing the ball 5-15 yards downfield.

 

DeSean and Maclin didn't look frustrated at all playing with Kolb neither.

[Doozer 0]

A couple questions:

 

How have the Bills fared post-Kelly? The Dolphins post-Marino?

 

It's almost impossible to have a QB ready when you decide that the spot belongs to someone until they're done with it. Green Bay had to force Favre out when Rodgers was ready, and he didn't look like a Pro Bo0wler his first 6 quarters.

 

With McNabb, are the Eagles a Super Bowl caliber team?

 

You and I both know they're not. Not even close. The defense needs more playmakers, the O-line is the weakest it's been in over a decade.

 

Today, would McNabb be the best QB on the Eagles roster?

 

Better than Vick? Tough to tell. He looked pretty good. Better than Kolb? Sure, today he had better be. He's an experienced veteran vs a kid with two starts and a thrid game chopped up into halves. From what we've seen, Kolb doesn't look very good. Of course, we've not seen nearly as much as the guys who made the decision.

 

"Beloved loser" isn't really what a franchise is looking for from it's highest paid, highest profile player. Coming close but failing isn't either. As an Eagles fan, I've heard that mocking from folks all through McNabb's tenure. And yes, I'm a big McNabb fan. Defended him for years. But it was time for a very successful franchise to decide whether they wanted to tread water with McNabb due to age, injury, finances, etc, or try and continue to perform at a high level. They opted to try and move forward, and the time to make a judgement on whether they did the right thing is after a year or so, not 4 weeks.

 

And I pray to god that the Manning you're discussing is Eli. That would make it appear that you at least know a little about what you're talking about.

 

 

 

Peyton Manning playoff record. 1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2001 did not make playoffs, 2002 (0-1), 2005 (0-1), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1). All time playoff record is 9-9.

 

1999 Playoff stats (19-16 loss to Tenn @ home) 19-42 45.2% comp, 224 yards 1 rushing TD

2000 @ Miami (Loss 17-23) 17-32 53% 194 yards 1 passing TD

2002 @NYJ (Loss 0-41) 14-31 141 yards 2 INT

2003 @NEP Conference Championship Game -- (Loss 14-24) 23-47 49% 1 TD 4 INT

2004 @NEP (Loss 3-20) 27-42 64% 238 1 INT

Super Bowl Run... vs KC (23-8) 30-38 268 1 TD 3 INT

@Balt (15-6) 15-30 170 yards 3 INT

vs NEP (38-34) 27-47 349 1 TD 1 INT INT = Pick Six

vs Chi 25-38 247 1 td 1 int... Hayden had a pick six, and offense had close to 200 yards rushing.

 

Is this not evidence that you can shake off the choker status rather easily? Manning is also 34 by the way.

 

McNabb's playoff record is 9-7

 

Peyton's career playoff stats (18 games)- 435-692 62.9% 5164 yards 28 TD 19 INT 23 rushes 24 yards 3 TD

McNabb's career playoff stats (16 games)- 341-577 59.1% 3752 yards 24 TD 17 INT 72 rushes 422 yards 4 TDs

 

Careful what you wish for.

[JT 137]

Peyton Manning playoff record. 1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2001 did not make playoffs, 2002 (0-1), 2005 (0-1), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1). All time playoff record is 9-9.

 

1999 Playoff stats (19-16 loss to Tenn @ home) 19-42 45.2% comp, 224 yards 1 rushing TD

2000 @ Miami (Loss 17-23) 17-32 53% 194 yards 1 passing TD

2002 @NYJ (Loss 0-41) 14-31 141 yards 2 INT

2003 @NEP Conference Championship Game -- (Loss 14-24) 23-47 49% 1 TD 4 INT

2004 @NEP (Loss 3-20) 27-42 64% 238 1 INT

Super Bowl Run... vs KC (23-8) 30-38 268 1 TD 3 INT

@Balt (15-6) 15-30 170 yards 3 INT

vs NEP (38-34) 27-47 349 1 TD 1 INT INT = Pick Six

vs Chi 25-38 247 1 td 1 int... Hayden had a pick six, and offense had close to 200 yards rushing.

 

Is this not evidence that you can shake off the choker status rather easily? Manning is also 34 by the way.

 

McNabb's playoff record is 9-7

 

Peyton's career playoff stats (18 games)- 435-692 62.9% 5164 yards 28 TD 19 INT 23 rushes 24 yards 3 TD

McNabb's career playoff stats (16 games)- 341-577 59.1% 3752 yards 24 TD 17 INT 72 rushes 422 yards 4 TDs

 

Careful what you wish for.

 

Manning's 34 now, not when he had his playoff run.

[Doozer 0]

Manning's 34 now, not when he had his playoff run.

Now being 34 is a positive thing!!

What I said was

 

"Manning was a notorious choker until his SB run, of which he didn't even play that well and was carried by his defense/running game."

 

 

You said... "And I pray to god that the Manning you're discussing is Eli. That would make it appear that you at least know a little about what you're talking about."

 

I then give ample statistical evidence showing how Manning has choked time and time again BEFORE his SB run... then mentioned how Indy had 200 yards rushing and a pick six in his only SB win. You entirely misinterpret my post and say something I'm entirely aware of and even mentioned in original post.

 

Do you read this ######?

[JT 137]

Now being 34 is a positive thing!!

What I said was

 

"Manning was a notorious choker until his SB run, of which he didn't even play that well and was carried by his defense/running game."

 

 

You said... "And I pray to god that the Manning you're discussing is Eli. That would make it appear that you at least know a little about what you're talking about."

 

I then give ample statistical evidence showing how Manning has choked time and time again BEFORE his SB run... then mentioned how Indy had 200 yards rushing and a pick six in his only SB win. You entirely misinterpret my post and say something I'm entirely aware of and even mentioned in original post.

 

Do you read this ######?

 

You're right. I didn't read it. Statistics have no bearing on the topic at hand, so I summarily dismissed it.

 

But on this tangent, we'll just have to disagree that Manning was, or was perceived as, a notorious choker.

[TimHauck 3,431]

Now being 34 is a positive thing!!

What I said was

 

"Manning was a notorious choker until his SB run, of which he didn't even play that well and was carried by his defense/running game."

 

 

You said... "And I pray to god that the Manning you're discussing is Eli. That would make it appear that you at least know a little about what you're talking about."

 

I then give ample statistical evidence showing how Manning has choked time and time again BEFORE his SB run... then mentioned how Indy had 200 yards rushing and a pick six in his only SB win. You entirely misinterpret my post and say something I'm entirely aware of and even mentioned in original post.

 

Do you read this ######?

 

But Manning was only 31 when he won the SB. Whether or not McNabb is a choker (I never called him one), the point was that if he could't win a SB in his prime, what makes you think he could win one at age 34+? Other than Elway, it's tough to name a QB who won their first SB at McNabb's age.

[p00h 85]

You're right. I didn't read it. Statistics have no bearing on the topic at hand, so I summarily dismissed it.

 

But on this tangent, we'll just have to disagree that Manning was, or was perceived as, a notorious choker.

 

 

yeah, how dare he not win them teh SB EVERY SINGLE YEAR?????

 

I mean its cool to go 12-4, 13-3 every year, and get to the AFC championship every other year, but no 4 SB in a row??? Lets get rid of him. And lets send him to...hmmm....the jags. They need a qb. And lets get peanuts in return for him. Because this guy Curtis Painter they have, that no one has heard of. The genius head coach knows something none of the rest of the league does, so we'll go with him. And if he falters, even with all the talent around him and playing in a crap division, we can just call it a 'rebuilding' year. ANd if we get a$$y with that dog killer on the team, we can just claim that we had 2 solid options, thus even needing manning less! And lets not just get rid of him, lets do it in a douche fashion. It's cool, we're smarter than everyone else...

 

 

HIGH FIVE!

[JT 137]

yeah, how dare he not win them teh SB EVERY SINGLE YEAR?????

 

I mean its cool to go 12-4, 13-3 every year, and get to the AFC championship every other year, but no 4 SB in a row??? Lets get rid of him. And lets send him to...hmmm....the jags. They need a qb. And lets get peanuts in return for him. Because this guy Curtis Painter they have, that no one has heard of. The genius head coach knows something none of the rest of the league does, so we'll go with him. And if he falters, even with all the talent around him and playing in a crap division, we can just call it a 'rebuilding' year. ANd if we get a$$y with that dog killer on the team, we can just claim that we had 2 solid options, thus even needing manning less! And lets not just get rid of him, lets do it in a douche fashion. It's cool, we're smarter than everyone else...

 

 

HIGH FIVE!

 

Huh? I'm the pro-Manning one. You really ought to read the thread to figure out who you're replying to.

[p00h 85]

Huh? I'm the pro-Manning one. You really ought to read the thread to figure out who you're replying to.

lol

 

i know you are, just backing up your point bro namath!

[Doozer 0]

But Manning was only 31 when he won the SB. Whether or not McNabb is a choker (I never called him one), the point was that if he could't win a SB in his prime, what makes you think he could win one at age 34+? Other than Elway, it's tough to name a QB who won their first SB at McNabb's age.

This is true, I understand you said first, but let's take a peek at this list of QBs that have reached the Super Bowl at 33 or higher... McNabb's a young 34.

 

Last 20 years 9 QBs have reached the SB at age of 33 or higher a total of ten times. 25% of the QB's that have reached the super bowl in the past twenty years have been age 33 or higher. You do have a point, although I'd argue that QB's in today's game have a longer shelf life than ten, twenty years ago... this is just for shits and giggles.

 

Brad Johnson - 2002 (34)

Rich Gannon - 2002 (37)

John Elway 1997, 1998 (37, 38)

Kurt Warner 2008 (37)

Peyton Manning 2009 (33 2 months away from 34)

Chris Chandler 1998 (33)

Jim Kelly 1993 (33)

Steve Young 1994 (33)

Joe Montana 1989 (33)

 

Might have missed someone also.

[Gepetto 1,479]

Eagles blew it by not keeping Brian Dawkins too!

[nikki2200 4]

mcnabb is no brady or manning, or even elway, but he's a stud qb. Not an average qb. If he can put a couple of more years of above average production, he's is likely going into the HoF. He is that good. Trust me, you'll feel the 'never know what you've got till its gone' feeling soon, and it will last for a long time. If Kolb doesn't pan out, they will play the musical chair game with qbs in the draft, picking up FAs, etc. Having a stud qb is a greatest luxury in this league. And they threw it away for peanuts, in division to boot...

 

And his winning record is nothing to scoff at. How many qbs can claim they played in the SB. League championship games left and right. Are you kidding me??? He gave them a solid chance to get back into a championship hunt this year, they have very little chance without him. They completely stepped in ###### with the way Vick has performed, so a bit of it is being ignored, but if Kolb came in here with a 1-3 record, people would very quickly realize what they gave up in McNabb.

 

Take it from a yankees fan here. Getting to the playoffs is a huge thing. Even for yankees, who are expected to win every year. You can't always win, because there are a bunch of other teams that are there, and are there because they were good enough to get to the playoffs. What happens in the playoffs is a crap shoot in many regards, and expecially so in a 1 and done sport like football, but getting there is an accomplishment and is great for the fans. Speak to fans of teams that are never there, and ask them what they'd think of a qb that gets them to the playoffs year in and year out. They'd have built a gold statue of him outside 10 different parks in the league...

 

I couldn't agree more with everything you've said.

 

The Eagles have a very long road ahead of them and I for one am going to miss watching them in the playoffs, even though they never won a Superbowl. They freaking got there. A lot of fans would kill to see their team with the type of success the Eagles have had.

[nikki2200 4]

Eagles blew it by not keeping Brian Dawkins too!

 

 

YES.

[p00h 85]

Its like I said..Everyone thinks that 610 WIP represents ALL Eagles fans, which couldn't be furthur from the truth.

 

And yeah, when McNabb was on the Eagles roster, all you heard from non-Eagles fans was how he was inaccurate, had an injury history, and was overrated. Now that they traded him, he is a top QB and it was a stupid move.

 

 

i got news for you bro, no one outside of philly knows what the crap 610 WIP is, or any of their talk show anchors, or their callers. NO ONE. Not sure what you philly cats are going on about with that one...

[Lord4GL 4]

Eagles blew it by not keeping Brian Dawkins too!

Hell yeah. This is the one that really pissed off a lot of fans. When he left, you didn't hear anything positive from them.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

I hate to interrupt this pissfest going on, but let's talk Kolb's week 5 matchup vs the 29ers.

 

29ers pass defense is not all that great, having given up 8 TDs and 230 yds a game. And the Iggles will basically have no running back, aside from Mike Bell. Might Kolb put up decent numbers given that he'll HAVE TO PASS? Or does he bust hard? 9ers defense may be fired up, and they are at home...

[tikigods 77]

Eagles fans deserve pain and misery. HTH.

[TimHauck 3,431]

i got news for you bro, no one outside of philly knows what the crap 610 WIP is, or any of their talk show anchors, or their callers. NO ONE. Not sure what you philly cats are going on about with that one...

 

Probably true, but they do think all fans in Philly throw batteries and snowballs (the latter which happened over 40 years ago). At least we don't fight first base coaches (Chicago), dump beer on players (other side of Chicago), or have nearly an entire stadium throw beer bottles onto the field (Cleveland).

 

The main point was to argue against anyone actually suggesting that the fans had anything to do with "running McNabb out of town." They didn't. No, they may not be totally upset that he was traded, but they're not the ones who traded him.

 

 

 

But again back to Kolb, he could be a risky play this weekend, but as I've been saying if you're thin at QB he could also provide some reward.