Owners asleep at the wheel?

[cyclone24 1,960]

Im sure this has been asked before...i just didnt see it on a search.

 

 

So what does your league do if an owner just isnt submitting his lineups?

 

The guy in ours is 3-8 and wont make the playoffs, but he would have actually beaten the top team in our league if he played 2 guys this week. Which....jams up people that he didnt.

 

So im worried about this week and trying to get ahead of this.

 

Do i as commish submit a lineup for him?

Do you let it ride as is?

 

Thanks in advance.

[TennisMenace 156]

Im sure this has been asked before...i just didnt see it on a search.

 

 

So what does your league do if an owner just isnt submitting his lineups?

 

The guy in ours is 3-8 and wont make the playoffs, but he would have actually beaten the top team in our league if he played 2 guys this week. Which....jams up people that he didnt.

 

So im worried about this week and trying to get ahead of this.

 

Do i as commish submit a lineup for him?

Do you let it ride as is?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

A bit inconsistent here aren't you? Why didn't you do this last week? You are one week too late. However, i would poll the other owners for their input before you do anything.

[cyclone24 1,960]

A bit inconsistent here aren't you? Why didn't you do this last week? You are one week too late. However, i would poll the other owners for their input before you do anything.

 

 

Wells guys will sometimes wait until sunday morning right before the games to put in their lineups. And we've had no issues of this in 10 years of the league so its new.

[montana 89]

It's in our rules that if an owner doesn't update his line up for 2 straight weeks he loses control of his team. He can regain control by paying an additional $10. If it happens again, he loses all rights w/o option to buy back or refund.

After week 10, the buy back equals the league fee 100% thru week 12.

From week 13 on, no buy back whatsoever & team can not make the playoffs (Commish starts the best -by average- per position until playoffs) nor can it use the WW.

 

Questions?

[cyclone24 1,960]

It's in our rules that if an owner doesn't update his line up for 2 straight weeks he loses control of his team. He can regain control by paying an additional $10. If it happens again, he loses all rights w/o option to buy back or refund.

After week 10, the buy back equals the league fee 100% thru week 12.

From week 13 on, no buy back whatsoever & team can not make the playoffs (Commish starts the best -by average- per position until playoffs) nor can it use the WW.

 

Questions?

 

 

Nice idea. But wouldnt the teams not submitting a lineup usually be terrible? Why would they then pay $10 to get back in to a team that sucks?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

If he's MIA, then I would kick his azz to the curb and he would not be invited back. IMO his lineup should be the best players (assuming injuries aren't an issue) he's got regardless of their matchup.

 

A team backing into the playoffs because a dude isn't playing is bullsh!t. Might even be collusion between the two.

[Stewburtx8 67]

Once this happens one week and a team essential gets a "free" win against this team, I don't think you can now make a change and make it more difficult for his opponents going forward. I would send an email, text message, or call the guy and ask him to please stay involved in the league and submit a lineup. But I do not think it is your place to now set his lineup for him, unless of course the league is unanimously in favor of it.

 

My leagues have a rule where if a team that is mathematically eliminated from playoff contention submits a lineup with a player on a bye or that is clearly injured and not playing, the commishioner will insert the highest scoring player to date on his bench that fits the position. If they don't have a bench player to fill the position, the commishioner will insert the highest scoring player on the waiver wire to that date. The commish hasn't had to do it, but the rule is in place in case he does.

[huskerinct 1]

Door....Knock....Punch....Face....Wife....Kids.

[cyclone24 1,960]

Door....Knock....Punch....Face....Wife....Kids.

 

 

 

Why did this answer take so long?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Door....Knock....Punch....Face....Wife....Kids.

 

That's BEFORE you consider setting his lineup, right?!

[diomed1 0]

We have one guy in our league that does this when the big bye week hits...Free win for the opponent. He's a major Buccaneer homer, so when the bye hits, he loses a bunch of players(offense and defense-we play with IDPs). I let it ride that one week but he refuses to mix up his roster-he is that big of a homer. Josh Freeman, Blount, Williams, Barber, etc...It's boom or bust for him every week and he has the worst record in the league because of it.

He will not get an invite next year.

[cyclone24 1,960]

We have one guy in our league that does this when the big bye week hits...Free win for the opponent. He's a major Buccaneer homer, so when the bye hits, he loses a bunch of players(offense and defense-we play with IDPs). I let it ride that one week but he refuses to mix up his roster-he is that big of a homer. Josh Freeman, Blount, Williams, Barber, etc...It's boom or bust for him every week and he has the worst record in the league because of it.

He will not get an invite next year.

 

Thats mega ghey.

 

 

Yeah i think we'll have to just let it ride. Not fair to an upcoming opponent to alter a roster when we didnt do it for the first one.

 

Sounds like the guy was just really sick and out of it.....not a common occurrence.

[cowboys5x 0]

In our league if anyone has a roster spot that that is filled by a bye-week player or someone who was ruled out before Sunday then its $10 towards the kitty for each roster spot. We had a person last year that donated about $50 at the end of the year because he was eliminated and trying to get the first pick. Next year we are doing a draft lottery of the 4 teams that dont make the playoffs so even if you have the worst record you arent guaranteed anything higher then 4.

[American Chewy 98]

in the past i've had to insert players for teams that left already declared out or bye week players starting. i only used guys already on their rosters. i did it to maintain the competitive balance of the league as sometimes other owners were praying for some bad teams to knock other teams off. the owners that didn't set their lineups were usually kicked out of the league after the season. we have a solid 12 owners now so its not an issue anymore.

[Magnum T&A 0]

If the owner already paid his money you do nothing. It is his team he can do with it what he wants. As a commishioner imo all you can do is kick the owner out next year. What do you do if you reset the line up and the team gets a loss that would have been a win with the origional line up? Again leave it alone its not your team.

[Stewburtx8 67]

If the owner already paid his money you do nothing. It is his team he can do with it what he wants. As a commishioner imo all you can do is kick the owner out next year. What do you do if you reset the line up and the team gets a loss that would have been a win with the origional line up? Again leave it alone its not your team.

 

 

I don't think he is talking about resetting the person's lineup. He's saying this individual had players in his lineup that were either on a bye and/or injured and ruled out on Sunday. These spots would be ZEROES if the commish didn't make any changes. The team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Should/Can the commish do anything to prevent this?

[cyclone24 1,960]

Thanks for the input....like i said we have hardly had any issues at all with this or tanking in our league.

 

The guy was just really sick and apologized to the league. Hes a former champ so i didnt think it was malicious.

 

So we're going to leave it be and do something in the offseason.

 

thanks fellas.

[huskerinct 1]

Damn.....no face punch?

Oh well. His punishment should be that he has to drop Stephen Davis and Tommy Maddox.

[montana 89]

Nice idea. But wouldnt the teams not submitting a lineup usually be terrible? Why would they then pay $10 to get back in to a team that sucks?

 

Usually yes. But stranger things have happened. I've been beaten in the past by a team that was hit hard by bye week/injury.

I've only had 1 guy buy back in after his team won both weeks he went MIA (he was on honeymoon & forgot).

[madd futher mucker 36]

Your league bylaws should have anticipated and addressed this issue in advance. I've seen many different by-law solutions in the leagues I've played in depending on whether they were redraft, keeper or dynasty leagues. At minimum, your bylaws should say something like this:

 

"Sportsmanship Rules:

a. You MAY start a player who is on a bye week to avoid messing up your roster. However, intentionally ‘tanking’ a game is NOT allowed. The commissioner will decide if ‘tanking’ has occurred and determine the appropriate penalty.

 

‘Tanking’ or giving up, generally occurs when an owner feels that his team is ‘out of it’, but it unfairly affects all the other owners competing for play-off spots, as well as the draft order in the following year. So in general, anyone who does not change their line-ups to field a competitive team on a weekly basis will not be invited back into the league the following year.

 

Players agree to commit to the league for the full season. Leaving the league during the season for any reason will result in forfeiture of entry fee and potential prize money. In the event of someone quitting the league mid-season, the commissioner will find a replacement manager to continue the team in a ‘best effort’ basis. Regardless of regular season ranking, the forfeited team will not be eligible for the playoffs or prize money."

 

In addition, your bylaws should state whether the commissioner has the authority to submit a line-up for an owner who is inaattentive. While in general I don't believe that a commissioner should have to do this, I generally get on the site about an hour before the 1st game of the week and see if anyone has an invalid line-up and either call, email or text them to bring it to their attention.

 

I believe that by-laws should give the commissioner quite a bit of discretion in how to deal with this problem. Almost everyone at some point forgets to set their line-up at some point in their fantasy career; generally the first time they get a commissioner warning. Chrinic inattention should never be tolerated and I would not invite that guy back into the league next year under any circumstance.

 

Hope this helps.

[jackjohn 31]

I went from 2nd to 5th place because of this. We have 2 teams that went mia, the guys are around but say they haven't had time. (Wtf) Of course I played these teams week 4 & 10 (no bye weeks). While the top 3 have played these 2 teams the past 3 weeks.

I talked to the commish. He told me "the guys payed their money, they can run the team as they wish" bye weeks and injuries included. I told him it was BS, he said that's the luck of the draw.

Needless to say I will not be in this league next year.

[beemo 0]

This is a real problem, and the usual response is that in order to keep the league competitive, your league needs rules to allow the commish to take over the abandoned team. The only potential concern I can see people objecting to such laws is how would that factor into teams which lose a starter due to a last second benching. Should the commish then start the team's alternate in order to maintain competitiveness? I'm for that, but I've seen others disagree. If you're making these rules for the first time, you may want to consider the above any other such circumstances which may arise in the future. Better to knock potential issues out now then let the problems trickle through future seasons.

[jackjohn 31]

This is a real problem, and the usual response is that in order to keep the league competitive, your league needs rules to allow the commish to take over the abandoned team. The only potential concern I can see people objecting to such laws is how would that factor into teams which lose a starter due to a last second benching. Should the commish then start the team's alternate in order to maintain competitiveness? I'm for that, but I've seen others disagree. If you're making these rules for the first time, you may want to consider the above any other such circumstances which may arise in the future. Better to knock potential issues out now then let the problems trickle through future seasons.

 

As long as the team isn't starting guys on their bye weeks and injuries that were known about on Tuesday. If it is a last minute benching or injury on Saturday, then I really dont have a problem with it. I realize that not everyone can check their roster every day or right before gametime. But I dont think that once a week is unreasonable. They signed up for the league and made a commitment, now follow thru with it.

[Ray_T 798]

Once this happens one week and a team essential gets a "free" win against this team, I don't think you can now make a change and make it more difficult for his opponents going forward. I would send an email, text message, or call the guy and ask him to please stay involved in the league and submit a lineup. But I do not think it is your place to now set his lineup for him, unless of course the league is unanimously in favor of it.

 

My leagues have a rule where if a team that is mathematically eliminated from playoff contention submits a lineup with a player on a bye or that is clearly injured and not playing, the commishioner will insert the highest scoring player to date on his bench that fits the position. If they don't have a bench player to fill the position, the commishioner will insert the highest scoring player on the waiver wire to that date. The commish hasn't had to do it, but the rule is in place in case he does.

 

I agree with this in general, however you usually dont know until game time whether the lineup has been submitted.

 

I would suggest:

 

1) if said lineup is incomplete the first time, the Owner in question gets a warning from the commish. sometimes it does happen that life happens to people and an emergency takes someone away from fantasy football for a week or so.

2) if it happens a second time, an automatic lineup correction is done by commmish as noted in the previous post(quoted above).

3) if #2 happens, the commish must petition the league to suspend the owners right to the franchise and seek out another owner. commish to run the team in the interim or assign a committee to run the team.

4) if the league votes it down it effectively becomes another warning, but if it happens again in the same year, the league does not have the option to vote. he is OUT.

[Dashow28 10]

I really don't think it's as cut and dry as some of you guys think. You gotta remember that some leagues do things differently. In one of my leagues for example, I got a horrible 3-8 record, and have felt for about the passed 2 or 3 weeks that I was out of it. So, I did set up my team with the best starters on my roster possible, but I'm not going to go to the free agent market to pick up somebody to start because we pay $1 per transaction. I realize $1 isn't much, but if I'm out of it, why waste the money? So there have been a couple weeks where I've had to start guys on the bye weeks and essentially gave the other owner a good chance to win. Funny enough, I had 2 WRs on bye this passed week and had nobody to fill in the spot and left it, but somehow won. The answer, imo, depends on your league.

[Stewburtx8 67]

I really don't think it's as cut and dry as some of you guys think. You gotta remember that some leagues do things differently. In one of my leagues for example, I got a horrible 3-8 record, and have felt for about the passed 2 or 3 weeks that I was out of it. So, I did set up my team with the best starters on my roster possible, but I'm not going to go to the free agent market to pick up somebody to start because we pay $1 per transaction. I realize $1 isn't much, but if I'm out of it, why waste the money? So there have been a couple weeks where I've had to start guys on the bye weeks and essentially gave the other owner a good chance to win. Funny enough, I had 2 WRs on bye this passed week and had nobody to fill in the spot and left it, but somehow won. The answer, imo, depends on your league.

 

 

This is a good example of why charging for transactions doesn't work, because once teams are out of it, they will not want to make any more pickups. But I think it is still your responsibility as an owner in the league to continue to field a full roster with players that are not injured or on a bye. If you were in playoff contention, you would want teams that are out of it to continue to field as good of a lineup as possible. I think leagues should have additional rules to prevent this though. It is not fair to the competitive balance of the league for teams that are out of it to field incomplete rosters. I've been on both ends and will manage my team the same whether I'm 8-3 or 3-8. To each their own I guess.

[cyclone24 1,960]

This is a good example of why charging for transactions doesn't work, because once teams are out of it, they will not want to make any more pickups. But I think it is still your responsibility as an owner in the league to continue to field a full roster with players that are not injured or on a bye. If you were in playoff contention, you would want teams that are out of it to continue to field as good of a lineup as possible. I think leagues should have additional rules to prevent this though. It is not fair to the competitive balance of the league for teams that are out of it to field incomplete rosters. I've been on both ends and will manage my team the same whether I'm 8-3 or 3-8. To each their own I guess.

 

 

This is an excellent point. We are considering $1 trades after week 4 next year...but didnt think about that. At the end of the year those teams wont spend money just to fill a bad roster.

[Stewburtx8 67]

I agree with this in general, however you usually dont know until game time whether the lineup has been submitted.

 

I would suggest:

 

1) if said lineup is incomplete the first time, the Owner in question gets a warning from the commish. sometimes it does happen that life happens to people and an emergency takes someone away from fantasy football for a week or so.

2) if it happens a second time, an automatic lineup correction is done by commmish as noted in the previous post(quoted above).

3) if #2 happens, the commish must petition the league to suspend the owners right to the franchise and seek out another owner. commish to run the team in the interim or assign a committee to run the team.

4) if the league votes it down it effectively becomes another warning, but if it happens again in the same year, the league does not have the option to vote. he is OUT.

 

 

I do not have a problem with these "supplemental" rules. For the most part, if someone in the league (especially a team that is mathematically eliminated) has an incomplete lineup as of 12 o'clock on Sunday, they will receive a text message and/or phone call from the commish and/or other owners to advise them to submit a lineup. If the commish doesn't receive a response or see a lineup change by 12:50 or so, they can expect to have to make the necessary changes based on what our rules allow.

[Dashow28 10]

This is a good example of why charging for transactions doesn't work, because once teams are out of it, they will not want to make any more pickups. But I think it is still your responsibility as an owner in the league to continue to field a full roster with players that are not injured or on a bye. If you were in playoff contention, you would want teams that are out of it to continue to field as good of a lineup as possible. I think leagues should have additional rules to prevent this though. It is not fair to the competitive balance of the league for teams that are out of it to field incomplete rosters. I've been on both ends and will manage my team the same whether I'm 8-3 or 3-8. To each their own I guess.

 

That is why I have fielded the best starters I can when I have the oppurtunity. And you're right, I would want other teams to field the best rosters with all the playoff positions possible. But if they are out of it, I wouldn't expect them to pay extra money to pick up somebody else. It'd be a waste of money for them and I honestly wouldn't blame them. Leagues where there isn't money per transaction I whole heartedly agree that people should set their rosters the best way possible and go after those free agents.

[Stewburtx8 67]

This is an excellent point. We are considering $1 trades after week 4 next year...but didnt think about that. At the end of the year those teams wont spend money just to fill a bad roster.

 

 

My league tried the $2 per transaction one year and it did not work out very well. By Week 10 or 11, you have a couple teams with 2 or 3 wins and they may not continue to field as competitive of a team as possible. This isn't good for the competitive balance of the league. I really only see 2 main reasons to charge for transactions:

 

1) To add more money to the pot.

Easy solution: Charge a higher entry fee if your league wants more money in the pot. My league was $100 buyin and tried charging for transactions. It increased the pot but caused the problems listed above. The next season we increased the entry fee to $125.

 

2) As a deterrent from teams making a ton of transactions.

Easy solution: Switch to a free agent bidding budget and/or have a transaction limit of 20-30 per year.

[Ray_T 798]

This is a good example of why charging for transactions doesn't work, because once teams are out of it, they will not want to make any more pickups. But I think it is still your responsibility as an owner in the league to continue to field a full roster with players that are not injured or on a bye. If you were in playoff contention, you would want teams that are out of it to continue to field as good of a lineup as possible. I think leagues should have additional rules to prevent this though. It is not fair to the competitive balance of the league for teams that are out of it to field incomplete rosters. I've been on both ends and will manage my team the same whether I'm 8-3 or 3-8. To each their own I guess.

I agree.

 

if you are going to charge for transactions, you give teams x number of transactions for free (I'd say 25 per year or 2 per week) and a charge for each transaction over and above the minimum.

 

This way, you only penalize those who to an excessive number of transactions.