Fumbleweed 426 Posted April 2, 2012 Bump...it's Masters week! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 Any early weekend forecast? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 928 Posted April 2, 2012 Any early weekend forecast? Chance of thunderstorms on Thursday and Friday. Sunny on the weekend. Around 80 for all except Friday, a little cooler that day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 Alright Golf Geeks, I need yo help. I'm in a Masters draft/pool. It's 50 bucks a man and there are eight of us. We be pulling a draft order out of a hat and drafting four golfers (snake draft) each. I have no idea what draft position I have but I need to make a cheat sheet of the top 32 as I'd love to win the $400 prize pool. Some of you schmoes actually seem to know what you are talking about so I'm all ears. Right now I'm starting out like this. 1. Tiger 2. Rory 3. Keegan Bradley 4. Lefty 5. Lee Westwood 6. Adam Scott 7. Jason Day 8. Luke Donald 9. Webb Simpson 10. Nick Watney 11. Dustin Johnson Anthing wrong with this start? I need the next best 21 too. Considering alot of us like fantasy football drafts and what not I thought this might be fun to make a cheatsheet. And help me out too of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 My top 15 looks something like this: 1. Tiger 2. Rory 3. Mickelson 4. L. Donald 5. K. Bradley 6. A. Scott 7. S. Garcia 8. L. Westwood 9. H. Mahan 10. J. Rose 11. W. Simpson 12. N. Watney 13. J. Dufner 14. J. Day 15. E. Molinari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 Chance of thunderstorms on Thursday and Friday. Sunny on the weekend. Around 80 for all except Friday, a little cooler that day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 928 Posted April 2, 2012 Alright Golf Geeks, I need yo help. I'm in a Masters draft/pool. It's 50 bucks a man and there are eight of us. We be pulling a draft order out of a hat and drafting four golfers (snake draft) each. I have no idea what draft position I have but I need to make a cheat sheet of the top 32 as I'd love to win the $400 prize pool. Some of you schmoes actually seem to know what you are talking about so I'm all ears. Right now I'm starting out like this. 1. Tiger 2. Rory 3. Keegan Bradley 4. Lefty 5. Lee Westwood 6. Adam Scott 7. Jason Day 8. Luke Donald 9. Webb Simpson 10. Nick Watney 11. Dustin Johnson Anthing wrong with this start? I need the next best 21 too. Considering alot of us like fantasy football drafts and what not I thought this might be fun to make a cheatsheet. And help me out too of course. You're prolly just best off going on a gambling website or something and just going with the top odds on that. A little cheesy but whatev. Also, how does your draft work? I'm thinking about organizing something with my buddies. Like how does the scoring for it work and such? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 2, 2012 Alright Golf Geeks, I need yo help. I'm in a Masters draft/pool. It's 50 bucks a man and there are eight of us. We be pulling a draft order out of a hat and drafting four golfers (snake draft) each. I have no idea what draft position I have but I need to make a cheat sheet of the top 32 as I'd love to win the $400 prize pool. Some of you schmoes actually seem to know what you are talking about so I'm all ears. Right now I'm starting out like this. 1. Tiger 2. Rory 3. Keegan Bradley 4. Lefty 5. Lee Westwood 6. Adam Scott 7. Jason Day 8. Luke Donald 9. Webb Simpson 10. Nick Watney 11. Dustin Johnson Anthing wrong with this start? I need the next best 21 too. Considering alot of us like fantasy football drafts and what not I thought this might be fun to make a cheatsheet. And help me out too of course. i think you need hunter mahan on this list. i know its tough to win back to back and it would be his 3rd win of the year but he is playing some great golf. he is the best driver on tour and is really hitting it great tee to green and putting very well. id slot hunter maybe right after bradley and lefty. i like him better than keegan but i know you are high on keegan... unless the other 7 guys dont want him and he lasts until round 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 Also, how does your draft work? I'm thinking about organizing something with my buddies. Like how does the scoring for it work and such? We're not really putting to much thought into it. It was sort of a last minute thing we thought up while four of us were playing golf over the weekend. 8 guys, four round snake draft. Four golfers each. Whomever's golfer wins the Masters gets the money. If a golfer not drafted wins then the prize pool carries over to the next major. Just like a Skins hole carries over if nobody wins it. That's pretty much it. We're keeping it simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 Are young Americans like Rickie Fowler, Bubba, Watney, Dustin Johnson ever going to win a major? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 Are young Americans like Rickie Fowler, Bubba, Watney, Dustin Johnson ever going to win a major? Fowler - needs to worry about winning a regular tour event before any major nonsense is brought up. Always seems to have one blow up day, can never put 4 rounds 2gether Bubba - (common theme w/fowler & dj too) Streaky putters tend to struggle in majors. Bubba also admits to having anxiety and nerve issues in big moments. The British Open and PGA would best fit him. DJ - Has the game to win any of the 4, but short putts bite him in the ass at the worst times. I think he will win one some day. Watney - of the 4, the most suited and polished to win a major(s). Has no real glaring flaws, is right there if he can maybe tighten up his short game. Calm demeanor and incredible ball striking skills are perfect for any major. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 2, 2012 Are young Americans like Rickie Fowler, Bubba, Watney, Dustin Johnson ever going to win a major? short answer, yes longer answer, as cruzer said fowler needs to win something period. DJ can and will win multiple majors. Bubba can do it too. Watney is polished but not as talented as the other two. Still talented in his own right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 2, 2012 We're not really putting to much thought into it. It was sort of a last minute thing we thought up while four of us were playing golf over the weekend. 8 guys, four round snake draft. Four golfers each. Whomever's golfer wins the Masters gets the money. If a golfer not drafted wins then the prize pool carries over to the next major. Just like a Skins hole carries over if nobody wins it. That's pretty much it. We're keeping it simple. we should do something like this here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgumm23 2 Posted April 2, 2012 we should do something like this here Yep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 My top 15 looks something like this: 15. E. Molinari Talk to me here. Top 15 really? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 Talk to me here. Top 15 really? I guess my question in response would be, why not? * 2005 US Amateur champion * 2010 Euro Ryder Cup member * 11th place finish in 2011 Masters * 70.21 scoring average, lowest of his career * Avg. 28.9 putts per round Eduardo is a superior iron player and considered a very good putter. Isn't a monster off of the tee but is plenty long enough. He has had more success at Augusta than both Webb Simpson and Dustin Johnson (who you have in your top 11). And unlike the US Open, foreigners have faired extremely well in the Masters tournament. Law of averages says one, two, maybe even 4 European players will be in the hunt come Sunday - why not one who finished 11th last year in the event? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 I guess my question in response would be, why not? * 2005 US Amateur champion * 2010 Euro Ryder Cup member * 11th place finish in 2011 Masters * 70.21 scoring average, lowest of his career * Avg. 28.9 putts per round Eduardo is a superior iron player and considered a very good putter. Isn't a monster off of the tee but is plenty long enough. He has had more success at Augusta than both Webb Simpson and Dustin Johnson (who you have in your top 11). And unlike the US Open, foreigners have faired extremely well in the Masters tournament. Law of averages says one, two, maybe even 4 European players will be in the hunt come Sunday - why not one who finished 11th last year in the event? So you're saying he's the new Jose Maria Olazabel who won two green jackets. I'm sold. He just moved from 29th to 24th on my cheatsheet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 So you're saying he's the new Jose Maria Olazabel who won two green jackets. I'm sold. He just moved from 29th to 24th on my cheatsheet. Ha, well now I would never say that - Oli was pretty special. But I follow the Euro tour too and he (as well as his brother) are battle tested and capable with playing with anybody we have over here. Heading into Masters week everyone tends to focus on how long the golf course is and push the bombers to the top. Me, not so much. Augusta National is a shot-makers paradise, and Jones intended it to be that way. It's primarily why he designed the course with no rough in mind. Mr. Jones wanted to find out who the best ball striker and putter was - Molinari fits the mold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 This is so much fun. I have an excel spreadsheet cheat sheet going now. Here is my first spit ball list. Top 38. I threw in a couple extra just in case. Who am I missing? Who is ranked to high or low? Tiger Rory Keegan Lefty A.Scott Westwood L.Donald J.Day Mahan J.Rose Webb Watney Sergio Charl Schwartzel Dustin Johnson Bubba Watson Bill Haas Brandt Snedeker Grahame McDowell Steve Stricker Matt Kuchar Anthony Kim Zach Johnson Edoardo Molinari Ian Poulter KJ Choi Jason Dufner Johnanthon Byrd Rickey Fowler Rickey Barnes Jeff Overton Matteo Manassero Paul Casey Geoff Ogilvy Alvaro Quiros Ryo Ishikawa Ross Fisher Sean O'Hair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 2, 2012 This is so much fun. I have an excel spreadsheet cheat sheet going now. Here is my first spit ball list. Top 38. I threw in a couple extra just in case. Who am I missing? Who is ranked to high or low? Tiger Rory Keegan Lefty A.Scott Westwood L.Donald J.Day Mahan J.Rose Webb Watney Sergio Charl Schwartzel Dustin Johnson Bubba Watson Bill Haas Brandt Snedeker Grahame McDowell Steve Stricker Matt Kuchar Anthony Kim Zach Johnson Edoardo Molinari Ian Poulter KJ Choi Jason Dufner Johnanthon Byrd Rickey Fowler Rickey Barnes Jeff Overton Matteo Manassero Paul Casey Geoff Ogilvy Alvaro Quiros Ryo Ishikawa Ross Fisher Sean O'Hair i think you have Charl too high. has he really been playing that great and what are the odds of someone like him going back to back? Tiger, Phil, Rory sure but Charl defending a masters title? On that basis alone I would probably avoid drafting him. I might add Oosty to the list. showed well at the Shell Houston, has won a major I'd bump KJ Choi up a bit. Whens the last time Anthony Kim played well? Angel Cabrera might be a sneaky guy to add the the end of the list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 2, 2012 I'm so geeked about the Masters that over the weekend I bought six blooming Azalea bushes and planted them at the tree line in my back yard. I'm trying to get the back yard looking like freaking Agusta back there. Something like this: My backyard one day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 2, 2012 This is so much fun. I have an excel spreadsheet cheat sheet going now. Here is my first spit ball list. Top 38. I threw in a couple extra just in case. Who am I missing? Who is ranked to high or low? Tiger Rory Keegan Lefty A.Scott Westwood L.Donald J.Day Mahan J.Rose Webb Watney Sergio Charl Schwartzel Dustin Johnson Bubba Watson Bill Haas Brandt Snedeker Grahame McDowell Steve Stricker Matt Kuchar Anthony Kim Zach Johnson Edoardo Molinari Ian Poulter KJ Choi Jason Dufner Johnanthon Byrd Rickey Fowler Rickey Barnes Jeff Overton Matteo Manassero Paul Casey Geoff Ogilvy Alvaro Quiros Ryo Ishikawa Ross Fisher Sean O'Hair I would take those 3 names off of my list. A. Kim is playing like ass right now - w/d from the Shell Houston open last week after shooting 79 on day 1. His last round before that was the final Sunday at Bay Hill, fired a smooth 83 then. For the year Kim has only made the cut in 2 of his 8 starts........... P. Casey has shown some flashes in the past 12 months, but his game is still very unstable and rusty - not sure he still isn't suffering from some of the effects of his 2009 rib injury....... G. Ogilvy - pfft, everyone talks about the M. Campbell, Rich Beem, Shaun Micheel, and Trevor Immelman's of the world - if anyone has ever dissappeared after winning a major it is Geoff Ogilvy - what has this dude done since his US Open gift? I'd move S. O'Hair up for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 426 Posted April 3, 2012 I would take Kim, Manassero, Overton, and Barnes off the list...considering they're NOT even in the tournament. As for Ogilvy, I would generally agree, but he darn near won the Masters last year with an incredible back nine. Easy to forget that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgumm23 2 Posted April 3, 2012 I'd throw Aaron Baddley in there about 15-20. I agree that KJ Choi should be moved up as well. This is so much fun. I have an excel spreadsheet cheat sheet going now. Here is my first spit ball list. Top 38. I threw in a couple extra just in case. Who am I missing? Who is ranked to high or low? Tiger Rory Keegan Lefty A.Scott Westwood L.Donald J.Day Mahan J.Rose Webb Watney Sergio Charl Schwartzel Dustin Johnson Bubba Watson Bill Haas Brandt Snedeker Grahame McDowell Steve Stricker Matt Kuchar Anthony Kim Zach Johnson Edoardo Molinari Ian Poulter KJ Choi Jason Dufner Johnanthon Byrd Rickey Fowler Rickey Barnes Jeff Overton Matteo Manassero Paul Casey Geoff Ogilvy Alvaro Quiros Ryo Ishikawa Ross Fisher Sean O'Hair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 3, 2012 I would take Kim, Manassero, Overton, and Barnes off the list...considering they're NOT even in the tournament. Well, I guess if they are not playing then I prolly shouldn't have them listed, that would make sense now wouldn't it. Thanks Fumble. And I hope you don't think I'm hijacking the Masters thread. I just thought a cheat sheet like this may add to the discussion of whom all has a good shot to win the tournament. So with all ya'lls help here is my updated rankings!@#! I know ya'll can't wait to see it. Tiger Rory Keegan Lefty A.Scott Westwood L.Donald J.Day Mahan J.Rose Webb Watney Sergio Charl Schwartzel Dustin Johnson Bubba Watson Bill Haas Brandt Snedeker Grahame McDowell Steve Stricker Matt Kuchar Edoardo Molinari KJ Choi Ian Poulter Jason Dufner Zach Johnson Johnanthon Byrd Rickey Fowler Sean O'Hair Alvaro Quiros Ryo Ishikawa Ross Fisher Louis Oosthaizen Aaron Baddely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jets24 6 Posted April 3, 2012 I would take Kim, Manassero, Overton, and Barnes off the list...considering they're NOT even in the tournament. As for Ogilvy, I would generally agree, but he darn near won the Masters last year with an incredible back nine. Easy to forget that. Remember Ogilvy's back nine? I remember watching it and was like... He birdied 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16 to shoot 31. Great stuff in a major. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 3, 2012 What do u guys think of Johnson Wagner at 125-1? I liked him before I saw his odds now I'm thinking of throwing 50 down on him. Right now I'm looking at putting money on Hunter, Rose, Watson, Wagner and one of the favorites maybe Tiger as a break even hedge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 928 Posted April 3, 2012 So we ended up having our draft last night. One guy took Mike Weir in the 5th round. My squad (8 guys, snake draft, choose 9 golfers. I picked 4th) Lee Westwood Bubba Watson KJ Choi Zach Johnson Louis Oosthuizen Robert Karlsson Ben Crane Mark Wilson Scott Verplank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 3, 2012 What do u guys think of Johnson Wagner at 125-1? I liked him before I saw his odds now I'm thinking of throwing 50 down on him. Right now I'm looking at putting money on Hunter, Rose, Watson, Wagner and one of the favorites maybe Tiger as a break even hedge Honesly you know probably more than me, but I just wanted to chime in that I am really high on golfers or people in general that have two last names. It's cool. Therefore I'm a fan of Johnson Wagner even if I hardly know who the hell he is. I would like to point out though that I have friends you are big time gamblers. Bookies who travel all over the country. They don't work, they wager for a living. These guys are all over Jason Day and Keegan Bradley. Maybe it's because they were able to get good odds moreso than the actual golfers but just throwing it out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 3, 2012 So we ended up having our draft last night. One guy took Mike Weir in the 5th round. My squad (8 guys, snake draft, choose 9 golfers. I picked 4th) Lee Westwood Bubba Watson KJ Choi Zach Johnson Louis Oosthuizen Robert Karlsson Ben Crane Mark Wilson Scott Verplank I like a few of your picks. Would have gone somewhere else instead of westwood I think but that's nitpicking. U did good to.get bubba and kj where u did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted April 3, 2012 Honesly you know probably more than me, but I just wanted to chime in that I am really high on golfers or people in general that have two last names. It's cool. Therefore I'm a fan of Johnson Wagner even if I hardly know who the hell he is. I would like to point out though that I have friends you are big time gamblers. Bookies who travel all over the country. They don't work, they wager for a living. These guys are all over Jason Day and Keegan Bradley. Maybe it's because they were able to get good odds moreso than the actual golfers but just throwing it out there. I like both of those guys as well even though Day hasn't played that great so far this yr. Thing is if I keep throwing money down on all.the guys i like, ill end up wagering too much and bernhard langer will win the Damn thing Golf wagering is tough like that. The fields are so deep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 3, 2012 Damn Fumble - you're right, add my name to the list of those who totally forgot about Ogilvy's finish last year in this event. He had been so blah for so long after Phil gift wrapped is title that I didn't even notice. I still do not like him, but no question he still has tons of talent if he could just get it together. 1st timers do not normally fair well at Augusta National, but there have been exceptions. I still like Kyle Stanley, I'd find a way to have him on my list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 3, 2012 I like both of those guys as well even though Day hasn't played that great so far this yr. Dear God, somebody plueeeze get Day to cut his hair. Some guys can pull off long hair, he looks like an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted April 3, 2012 I predict Tiger either wins this thing, chokes on Sunday, or has a bad first two rounds and pretends he's injured and withdrawals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted April 3, 2012 I predict Tiger either wins this thing, chokes on Sunday, or has a bad first two rounds and pretends he's injured and withdrawals. I'm sure you will spin whatever happens into one of these buckets. But seriously, odds are, if history is any indicator that Tiger will either contend on Sunday and win it, or be like 6/7 shots back and vault up to a top 5 finish. He simply plays well at Augusta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 928 Posted April 3, 2012 Dear God, somebody plueeeze get Day to cut his hair. Some guys can pull off long hair, he looks like an idiot. Almost as bad as Tiger's white shoes. :puke: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted April 3, 2012 But seriously, odds are, if history is any indicator that Tiger will either contend on Sunday and win it, or be like 6/7 shots back and vault up to a top 5 finish. He simply plays well at Augusta. Tiger has always been that of a distance runner rather than sprinter. Yes he has come out of the blocks early, but it's rare. Normally Tiger shoots pretty vanilla Thursday rounds and then builds to Saturday - that is the day he usually makes his push. Golf fans would love for there to be a Tiger/Phil, Tiger/Rory Sunday pairing. Truth is, as long as Tiger is in the last group he could be paired with Chez Reavie and the ratings would be thru the roof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted April 3, 2012 Tiger Woods 4/1 Rory McIlroy 11/2 Phil Mickelson 11/1 Luke Donald 16/1 Lee Westwood 20/1 Hunter Mahan 22/1 Justin Rose 28/1 Adam Scott 28/1 Keegan Bradley 28/1 Charl Schwartzel 40/1 Jason Day 40/1 Steve Stricker 50/1 Bubba Watson 40/1 Dustin Johnson 40/1 Nick Watney 50/1 Sergio Garcia 50/1 Webb Simpson 60/1 Martin Kaymer 50/1 Graeme McDowell 66/1 Matt Kuchar 66/1 K.J. Choi 60/1 Geoff Ogilvy 80/1 Padraig Harrington 100/1 Rickie Fowler 100/1 Jim Furyk 90/1 Angel Cabrera 90/1 Bill Haas 90/1 Brandt Snedeker 66/1 Louis Oosthuizen 66/1 Bo Van Pelt 80/1 Ian Poulter 100/1 Kyle Stanley 125/1 Gary Woodland 100/1 Trevor Immelman 100/1 Zach Johnson 90/1 Paul Casey 150/1 Aaron Baddeley 150/1 Alvaro Quiros 150/1 Martin Laird 150/1 Sean O'Hair 150/1 Fred Couples 150/1 Jason Dufner 125/1 Y-E Yang 150/1 Robert Karlsson 150/1 Thomas Bjorn 150/1 Johnson Wagner 125/1 Francesco Molinari 175/1 Henrik Stenson 175/1 Ryo Ishikawa 200/1 Vijay Singh 200/1 Peter Hanson 175/1 David Toms 175/1 John Senden 175/1 Sang-Moon Bae 150/1 Charles Howell III 175/1 Fredrik Jacobson 200/1 Ben Crane 200/1 Ryan Palmer 150/1 Jonathan Byrd 250/1 Mark Wilson 200/1 Ross Fisher 250/1 Miguel Angel Jimenez 200/1 Kevin Na 200/1 Simon Dyson 250/1 Paul Lawrie 250/1 Lucas Glover 250/1 Kyung-Tae Kim 300/1 Robert Garrigus 200/1 Edoardo Molinari 200/1 Rory Sabbatini 300/1 Stewart Cink 300/1 Jose Maria Olazabal 400/1 Darren Clarke 400/1 Anders Hansen 300/1 Tim Clark 400/1 Tom Watson 500/1 Patrick Cantlay 500/1 Gonzalo Fernandez 400/1 Harrison Frazar 400/1 Chez Reavie 500/1 Scott Verplank 500/1 Brendan Steele 500/1 Bernhard Langer 500/1 Mike Weir 500/1 Hideki Matsuyama 600/1 Kevin Chappell 600/1 Scott Stallings 400/1 Mark O'Meara 750/1 Kelly Kraft 1000/1 Bryden Macpherson 1000/1 Larry Mize 1500/1 Ben Crenshaw 1000/1 Craig Stadler 1000/1 Ian Woosnam 2000/1 Sandy Lyle 2000/1 Randal Lewis 2000/1 Corbin Mills 1500/1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted April 3, 2012 Took Tiger at 4/1 and Cabrera at 90/1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 426 Posted April 3, 2012 So much for my #2 pick. Dustin Johnson has withdrawn... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites