listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 For the record why are you saying I am dismissing Manning? I said I would have him 3rd in the voting. I'm just wondering why Manning is the QB usually talked about in it? People have dismissed Rodgers for no apparent reason other than Manning is the new story this year. EVen though Rodgers had a better year. I would think as much flack as Tebow gets by all, that more people would look at what he did last year with less of a team in Denver when talking how valuable Manning is. But somehow that doesn't matter when we talk Manning. But on any other day everyone loves to talk about how sucky Tebow is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 I would think as much flack as Tebow gets by all, that more people would look at what he did last year with less of a team in Denver when talking how valuable Manning is. But somehow that doesn't matter when we talk Manning. But on any other day everyone loves to talk about how sucky Tebow is. Let me make this simple for you. Last year, no one thought the Broncos had a chance to win the Superbowl. Regardless of winning the division, which they did on tiebreakers, no one thought they had a prayer. That team was smoke and mirrors playing a gimmick offense that will never win a Superbowl. If Tebow were a worthy QB the Jets wouldn't have bypassed him for their third string QB a couple weeks ago. This year's team was the betting favorite to win the SB as of last week. This team is legitimate and last year's wasn't, so continuing to make an argument comparing the two teams is pretty weak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Let me make this simple for you. Last year, no one thought the Broncos had a chance to win the Superbowl. Regardless of winning the division, which they did on tiebreakers, no one thought they had a prayer. That team was smoke and mirrors playing a gimmick offense that will never win a Superbowl. If Tebow were a worthy QB the Jets wouldn't have bypassed him for their third string QB a couple weeks ago. This year's team was the betting favorite to win the SB as of last week. This team is legitimate and last year's wasn't, so continuing to make an argument comparing the two teams is pretty weak. I never said Manning hasn't made them better. I don't care how fluky it was. A backup FB took that same team and won at a high % over a decent amount of games. Then he went in and went for over 300 vs. the #1 defense and beat them in the playoffs with those WRs. So you want to just erase that? Like it didn't happen? It did. A backup FB took Manning's current team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Passing for over 300 in the WC game. You can imagine it didn't happen all you want, but it did. A backup FB did well at QB with that team. Never said they aren't a better team this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 I'll pipe down about now. But the only argument any of you have presented for Manning in 3 pages is that his team got a bye and won a couple more games in a JV division. Which really should elevate Matt Ryan higher than he is viewed. But whatever. I guess thats the tell all. Thanks for playing everyone. Lets change the MVP to "most cool story award". Lets mix the 2 awards. Most Valuable Comeback Player Award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 I never said Manning hasn't made them better. I don't care how fluky it was. A backup FB took that same team and won at a high % over a decent amount of games. Then he went in and went for over 300 vs. the #1 defense and beat them in the playoffs with those WRs. So you want to just erase that? Like it didn't happen? It did. A backup FB took Manning's current team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Passing for over 300 in the WC game. You can imagine it didn't happen all you want, but it did. A backup FB did well at QB with that team. Never said they aren't a better team this year. No he didn't. 46.5% passing and 124 yards/game aren't starting QB numbers. I think D. Thomas summed it up well in the preseason when he said that this year he'd actually have to learn to run routes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 No he didn't. 46.5% passing and 124 yards/game aren't starting QB numbers. I think D. Thomas summed it up well in the preseason when he said that this year he'd actually have to learn to run routes. 300 yards in the playoffs with bombs to Thomas vs. the #1 defense. Seems like he has a better start to post season play than Manning had in his career. The fact that a backup FB could win that much last year shows how good their WRs, running game, Oline, and defense is. They have a wonderful team now with a HOF QB. Doesn't mean Manning has any reason to win it over Rodgers or AP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 300 yards in the playoffs with bombs to Thomas vs. the #1 defense. Seems like he has a better start to post season play than Manning had in his career. The fact that a backup FB could win that much last year shows how good their WRs, running game, Oline, and defense is. They have a wonderful team now with a HOF QB. Doesn't mean Manning has any reason to win it over Rodgers or AP. Ooh, let's cherry pick one game. A game where he was still sub .500 passing and 80 of his yards came on one play. Pitt made a huge mistake by basically rushing all 11 guys because they had such little fear of Tebow passing. So wow, he burned them on a pass almost any QB could make. Again, if Tebow is so solid why didn't the Jets put him in when they replaced Sanchez? And why do you keep calling him a FB? Is that another term for QB? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Ooh, let's cherry pick one game. A game where he was still sub .500 passing and 80 of his yards came on one play. Pitt made a huge mistake by basically rushing all 11 guys because they had such little fear of Tebow passing. So wow, he burned them on a pass almost any QB could make. Again, if Tebow is so solid why didn't the Jets put him in when they replaced Sanchez? And why do you keep calling him a FB? Is that another term for QB? Who is cherry picking? He is a glorified FB who won several games last year. That is a testimate to how good that team is outside the QB position. And he happened to go for 300 plus vs. Pitt in a playoff game. I guess I could just draw it out for you since you don't seem to get it. Manning has an uber Oline, an uber defense, D. Thomas is one of the most physically gifted WRs in the league. Good running attack when they want to run. You think Tebow would have won those games on the Packers last year? With the worst defense of all time? No. Manning got he 1st seed this year because he is nasty, and because there whole team is pretty beastly. Manning had a lot of things going for him this year that Rodgers did not have. Yet Rodgers had a better year statistically and would have had that beloved bye you guys talk about if there weren't replacement refs to start the year. But Manning's neck puts him over the top. Rodgers didn't have an amazing year judging by the public which gets their info from ESPN. Manning was the story this year and ESPN ran with it. If Manning gets it over AP it will strictly be because of the story. When injury has nothing to do with MVP. Perhaps if the Colts had the season they had last year, and Manning came back with them after injury and returned them to the elite. But no, it was a rookie QB who did that anyway for them this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted January 6, 2013 Ooh, let's cherry pick one game. A game where he was still sub .500 passing and 80 of his yards came on one play. Pitt made a huge mistake by basically rushing all 11 guys because they had such little fear of Tebow passing. So wow, he burned them on a pass almost any QB could make. Again, if Tebow is so solid why didn't the Jets put him in when they replaced Sanchez? And why do you keep calling him a FB? Is that another term for QB? Tebow is absolute crap and probably the worst starting quarterback in the entire NFL last year. If the worst starting QB in the entire league can still lead that team to the second round of the playoffs...is it really all that impressive that Manning can lead them to a #1 seed in the AFC? Oh, and Listen2me is calling him a backup fullback. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Benedict 0 Posted January 6, 2013 I never said Manning hasn't made them better. I don't care how fluky it was. A backup FB took that same team and won at a high % over a decent amount of games. Then he went in and went for over 300 vs. the #1 defense and beat them in the playoffs with those WRs. So you want to just erase that? Like it didn't happen? It did. A backup FB took Manning's current team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Passing for over 300 in the WC game. You can imagine it didn't happen all you want, but it did. A backup FB did well at QB with that team. Never said they aren't a better team this year. Matt Flynn: 480/6 per start with GB. You can imagine it didn't happen all you want, but it did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Benedict 0 Posted January 6, 2013 Or does what a scrub backup QB did last year no longer matter all of a sudden? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted January 6, 2013 Or does what a scrub backup QB did last year no longer matter all of a sudden? So you're comparing one game to one season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Matt Flynn: 480/6 per start with GB. You can imagine it didn't happen all you want, but it did. Oh I knew that one game would be brought up. It isn't ignored. Flynn didn't lead a real good team to the playoffs and win a playoff game. No he merely put up very good stats in a throwing game vs. a terrible Pats D. A game he lost. 1 high scoring loss to a terrible defense. But really good comparison you raging idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted January 6, 2013 Rodgers would rather take a sack then throw a incompletion. That is why his sack numbers are higher than they should be.. Watch the games, you're welcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 D. Thomas is one of the most physically gifted WRs in the league. Good running attack when they want to run. You need to cut this out. Do you really think the Broncos receiving corp., top to bottom, compares to GB's? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted January 6, 2013 Oh I knew that one game would be brought up. It isn't ignored. Flynn didn't lead a real good team to the playoffs and win a playoff game. No he merely put up very good stats in a throwing game vs. a terrible Pats D. A game he lost. 1 high scoring loss to a terrible defense. But really good comparison you raging idiot. He could be talking about the Lions game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Rodgers would rather take a sack then throw a incompletion. That is why his sack numbers are higher than they should be.. Watch the games, you're welcome. He'd rather extend a play and make big plays than play ###### ball that Manning has to play. There is no doubting he has one of the worst Olines in football. Could he of taken less sacks this year? Sure. Rodgers makes a lot of plays happen because he keeps plays alive when many QBs would throw it away. That is one of teh reasons they win. It isn't dink and dunk city. It is looking for plays down field. But I guess extending plays is a bad thing. I guess keeping your eyes down field and making more plays than any other QB when a play isn't there is bad. I have watched every game for several years. Your post was stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted January 6, 2013 Rodgers would rather take a sack then throw an interception. That is why his sack numbers are higher than they should be.. Watch the games, you're welcome. Fixed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 Tebow is absolute crap and probably the worst starting quarterback in the entire NFL last year. If the worst starting QB in the entire league can still lead that team to the second round of the playoffs...is it really all that impressive that Manning can lead them to a #1 seed in the AFC? Oh, and Listen2me is calling him a backup fullback. Again, smoke and mirrors team. And since they were running an offense that has no place in the NFL teams didn't know how to deal with it. If we'd done it again this year I'm pretty sure things would have been different. So we beat a bunch of mediocre teams. No doubt we had a decent D, although it wasn't great. We played clock control. But no one had any delusions that the team was SB worthy. Heck, most didn't really think they were playoff worthy. Honestly, I would have rather we didn't make the playoffs but hey, it worked out so no big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted January 6, 2013 Rodgers would rather take a sack then throw a incompletion. That is why his sack numbers are higher than they should be.. Watch the games, you're welcome. This. Exactly why he should not even be in the top 5 MVP voting. The only thing Rodgers is good at throwing are his teammates under the bus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9C9gxd3WE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 He could be talking about the Lions game... Oh yes, the week 17 doesn't matter game. 45-41 vs that amazing Detroit defense. Thats comparable to Tebow's run. Manning or Brady would of played 3 quarters just to pad their stats. Rodgers could have added 500 and 5 to his already best ever QB season, but he only needed 15 weeks to get it done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted January 6, 2013 He'd rather extend a play and make big plays than play ###### ball that Manning has to play. There is no doubting he has one of the worst Olines in football. Could he of taken less sacks this year? Sure. Rodgers makes a lot of plays happen because he keeps plays alive when many QBs would throw it away. That is one of teh reasons they win. It isn't dink and dunk city. It is looking for plays down field. But I guess extending plays is a bad thing. I guess keeping your eyes down field and making more plays than any other QB when a play isn't there is bad. I have watched every game for several years. Your post was stupid. All of your posts in this thread are idiotic. The entire premise of this thread is one of the dumbest I've ever seen here. You're welcome again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 I'll pipe down about now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 No one 2 years ago or even last year would have called James Jones a real good WR. Nope, Rodgers WRs go down, so he just helps Jones become the leader in TDs caught this season. Now Jones is viewed as a #1 WR. Funny how that all works. Packers have very good WRs. But they get overrated. No single 1 had over 1000 yards. None had over 60 yards yesturday. There is no elite guy. They are all good and Rodgers finds the one who is open after going through 7 reads. DIdn't he break a record for most WRs hit in a playoff game? I can't keep track, he seems to break a record every other week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 I lied, deal with it. Manning won a couple more games in the worst division in football. MVP! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 I lied, deal with it. Manning won a couple more games in the worst division in football. MVP! Not guaranteed but what is guaranteed is it won't be Rodgers. Deal with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted January 6, 2013 No one 2 years ago or even last year would have called James Jones a real good WR. Nope, Rodgers WRs go down, so he just helps Jones become the leader in TDs caught this season. Now Jones is viewed as a #1 WR. Funny how that all works. Packers have very good WRs. But they get overrated. No single 1 had over 1000 yards. None had over 60 yards yesturday. There is no elite guy. They are all good and Rodgers finds the one who is open after going through 7 reads. DIdn't he break a record for most WRs hit in a playoff game? I can't keep track, he seems to break a record every other week. I agree. Jones was a Free Agent a couple of years ago and nobody wanted him, which is why he's back in GB. As far as your other point, I thought I read that he hit 10 different receivers against the Vikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted January 6, 2013 This beating listen2me23 is taking is worse than Igotworms in an I'm a lawyer thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Not guaranteed but what is guaranteed is it won't be Rodgers. Deal with it. Because it is a media contest of who ESPN can wack off more too. My vote would be AP. If Manning were to win it over him it would be a robbery since he wasn't even the best QB this year. Rodgers as a starter in the league averages, 4332yds 34TDs and 9 Ints. Averages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 This beating listen2me23 is taking is worse than Igotworms in an I'm a lawyer thread Yea, I'm taking a beating. The only point on Manning's side is he won a couple more games in the worst division in football. You should go back to the political threads and suck RPs ###### some more. You do well in that situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted January 6, 2013 Matt Flynn indicates Rodgers dominance may be more system related than Rodgers related. No different than the Texas Tech QB in Mike Leach's offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,844 Posted January 6, 2013 Because it is a media contest of who ESPN can wack off more too. My vote would be AP. If Manning were to win it over him it would be a robbery since he wasn't even the best QB this year. Rodgers as a starter in the league averages, 4332yds 34TDs and 9 Ints. Averages. If that's the case why are you acting so butt hurt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Matt Flynn indicates Rodgers dominance may be more system related than Rodgers related. No different than the Texas Tech QB in Mike Leach's offense. Perhaps if he did it over a whole season, like that guy Cassell. But 1 game? Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted January 6, 2013 Yea, I'm taking a beating. The only point on Manning's side is he won a couple more games in the worst division in football. You should go back to the political threads and suck RPs ###### some more. You do well in that situation. Don't cry, dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 If that's the case why are you acting so butt hurt? Because you guys are idiots that seem to have fallen for media bias as well. Manning was the story this year. He backed it up with a very good season. But if it weren't a big story this year Rodgers would be the front runner for QBs. What if Denver loses next week? Which season would you say was more successful? This or last years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 Don't cry, dude. Excellent post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted January 6, 2013 This beating listen2me23 is taking is worse than Igotworms in an I'm a lawyer thread Just because nobody agrees with him doesn't mean he's taking a beating. Right now he's making valid arguments for why Rodgers deserves MVP over Manning. Everyone else disagrees, but nobody is making arguments for why Manning deserves it (outside of Denver's record) So let's hear it. What has Manning done this year that warrants the MVP over Rodgers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted January 6, 2013 Because you guys are idiots that seem to have fallen for media bias as well. :cry: Delete this thread before you jump off the bridge into the icy water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted January 6, 2013 :cry: Delete this thread before you jump off the bridge into the icy water. Everyone else here is at least entertaining in some way. You are just a loser with nothing to say while using more emocations than words. I won't jump, you probably should though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted January 6, 2013 Everyone else here is at least entertaining in some way. You are just a loser with nothing to say while using more emocations than words. I won't jump, you probably should though. Awesome. I may go put on my Rodgers jersey and color my face with lip stick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites