Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not surprised some of you guys have totally missed what's going on here as you have proven time and again that you are incapable of understanding nuance. Many people in Iran, especially the younger generation, do not really like what is going on in that country and think that they should work with, not against, the West. They also want more personal freedoms and the like. So when those sorts of people are cheering the result, it is not necessarily a bad thing. But the RPs and Phurfurs of the world can't see that because anything Iran = automatically bad in their view. They don't even hesitate to ask themselves whether any nation could really be made up 100% of bad people. I never said Iran was 100% bad people. That's just a lie by you. A few years back the good people of Iran were pretty organized and could have overthrown the Mullahs with a little help from the U.S. Obama chose to sit on his thumb instead. Next? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not surprised some of you guys have totally missed what's going on here as you have proven time and again that you are incapable of understanding nuance. Many people in Iran, especially the younger generation, do not really like what is going on in that country and think that they should work with, not against, the West. They also want more personal freedoms and the like. So when those sorts of people are cheering the result, it is not necessarily a bad thing. And you think it's the U.S.'s role to help them. How's it going in Libya and Egypt? I'll send a nuanced cheer them from the sidelines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 Whenever Worms is getting his ass kicked he 'You guys just don't understand nuance!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted November 25, 2013 Whenever Worms is getting his ass kicked he 'You guys just don't understand nuance!!!" You should teach him that the proper way to proceed is to claim the other guy is on 'tilt' and then post the ole' fishing line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 25, 2013 Whenever Worms is getting his ass kicked he 'You guys just don't understand nuance!!!" I ain't getting my ass kicked on anything here. Just thought I'd take a moment to try to educate you on what's going on with the young and educated in Iran but as usual you aren't interesting in actually knowing anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 I ain't getting my ass kicked on anything here. Just thought I'd take a moment to try to educate you on what's going on with the young and educated in Iran but as usual you aren't interesting in actually knowing anything. I was well aware of what is going on with the young and educated in Iran. Too bad Obama wasn't a few years ago when they were close to being able to topple the terrorist supporters he just gave $7 Billion to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted November 25, 2013 I was well aware of what is going on with the young and educated in Iran. Too bad Obama wasn't a few years ago when they were close to being able to topple the terrorist supporters he just gave $7 Billion to. Diplomacy:Bad Foment Government Overthrow: Good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 Diplomacy:Bad Foment Government Overthrow: Good Sure would be terrible having folks friendly to the U.S. in charge over there. Good thing the Mullahs are still running things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted November 25, 2013 Sure would be terrible having folks friendly to the U.S. in charge over there. Good thing the Mullahs are still running things. Yeah, because we know how well it's worked when we've gotten behind regime change in the Middle East before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 Yeah, because we know how well it's worked when we've gotten behind regime change in the Middle East before. I don't endorse turning it over to the mooslim brotherhood. Leading from behind/going backwards wouldn't be the strategery I would endorse. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted November 25, 2013 I don't endorse turning it over to the mooslim brotherhood. Leading from behind/going backwards wouldn't be the strategery I would endorse. HTH You favor regime overthrow over diplomacy. You have no idea what would happen in that case, so you don't really even know what you're endorsing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted November 25, 2013 Yeah, because we know how well it's worked when we've gotten behind regime change in the Middle East before. I am quite sure that these negotiations are well thought of fundie pockets of Tehran. 8 Billion (on top of table and God knows what under) is paying for UN inspectors going in the front door while our CIA sneaks in the back. If you do not think it's a regime change, you are absolutely clueless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 You favor regime overthrow over diplomacy. You have no idea what would happen in that case, so you don't really even know what you're endorsing. In the case of Iran, the world's #1 supporter of terror, I support regime change. Can't get any worse, and there is a sizeable population in the country that is pro-western civilization. It's not like we are going from someone who was our puppet for decades to the mooslim brotherhood. Diplomacy with the mullahs is a joke. They are already out there bragging about how the cleaned our clock in this deal, and how they will never give an inch on their nuclear ambitions. Meanwhile, Obama is sending them billions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted November 25, 2013 In the case of Iran, the world's #1 supporter of terror, I support regime change. Can't get any worse, and there is a sizeable population in the country that is pro-western civilization. It's not like we are going from someone who was our puppet for decades to the mooslim brotherhood. Diplomacy with the mullahs is a joke. They are already out there bragging about how the cleaned our clock in this deal, and how they will never give an inch on their nuclear ambitions. Meanwhile, Obama is sending them billions. Yes it can. This is the same sh1t that people were saying about getting rid of Saddam Hussein. People were ready for regime change, so removing him would be the first step towards bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq. 4500 American lives and over a trillion dollars later, it's a giant sh1thole still, essentially run by Al-Maliki as a dictator. It's a distinct possibility that the same would happen in Iran. Sure, pro-western revolutionaries could bring a flowering democracy for the first time ever in a muslim country, but the likelihood is that even if the mullahs are overthrown, the country will descend into chaos, only now it is a country on the verge of a nuclear weapon, or at the very least, on the verge of having all the components for one. That is more dangerous than trying to encourage the more moderate elements in Iran through diplomacy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 25, 2013 Yes it can. This is the same sh1t that people were saying about getting rid of Saddam Hussein. People were ready for regime change, so removing him would be the first step towards bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq. 4500 American lives and over a trillion dollars later, it's a giant sh1thole still, essentially run by Al-Maliki as a dictator. It's a distinct possibility that the same would happen in Iran. Sure, pro-western revolutionaries could bring a flowering democracy for the first time ever in a muslim country, but the likelihood is that even if the mullahs are overthrown, the country will descend into chaos, only now it is a country on the verge of a nuclear weapon, or at the very least, on the verge of having all the components for one. That is more dangerous than trying to encourage the more moderate elements in Iran through diplomacy. This guy gets it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted November 25, 2013 Nuance worms has been throwing around his new make him think he looks smart word quite a bit lately Jebus ....thats some funny sh!t right there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 Nuance worms has been throwing around his new make him think he looks smart word quite a bit lately Jebus ....thats some funny sh!t right there. He is the Peyton Manning of below freezing vocabulary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted November 25, 2013 Yes it can. How? Obama is giving $7 billion and lifting sanctions on a regime that is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world, and getting nothing that will slow them down from getting nukes to hand out to terrorists. What, in your opinion, would be worst than that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted November 26, 2013 Valerie Jarret must be proud of her boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted November 26, 2013 I've taken a close look at this Iran deal and think it's a good deal. You've got inspectors all up in there and they've shutdown and disconnected their reactors for six months. See what they do for the next six months. Hopefully the nuclear physicists find new jobs. Working out well for Obama in Iran. Then, I have even more optimism in that I heard the Afghans were sh*tcanning the agreement they struck with Obama about extending US troops in their sh*thole. Best take them up on it before they change their minds again and GTFO of there in 2014. Could be an accidental win for US foreign policy over Obama's judgment like the called-off Syria invasion and the failed negotiation to maintain US troops as terrorist target practice in Iraq were. In the end it doesn't matter if he scores no points for grace, Obama has bumbled into good pollcy by accident and the final result has been positive twice, maybe soon three times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted May 28 Trump tells Netanyahu to not touch Iran. - It's becoming more and more apparent that Trump is bringing back the Iran deal (JPCOA). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101 Posted May 28 1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Trump tells Netanyahu to not touch Iran. - It's becoming more and more apparent that Trump is bringing back the Iran deal (JPCOA). You got this from some tweet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted May 28 33 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: You got this from some tweet? It's live video of Trump saying exactly the thing I just posted he said, so to answer your question I got it from Trump. I'd post the transcript but the White House has pulled all transcripts of Trump statements now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
