****The Official Seattle Seahawks Offseason Thread 2014****

[phillybear 366]

Washington University? Obviously a joke! Anyway, I've watched every UW game (hence the UW in my username) Sankey has ever played in for the Huskies and I wouldn't compare him to Lynch. His style is vision and cuts, more like a McCoy (with less wiggle) than Beast Mode. He's not ferociously running through people, that's for sure. Check out Doug's player profile on him, it was pretty accurate. I would be happy if we got him, but he won't be around for our 3rd pick (4th round) and it might be too high to take him at the end of the second. 2 second round RBs in a row might be a little much while Lynch is still going strong. Would make sense to do such a thing next year though.

 

Good to have closer perspective on the topic.

 

I guess we all anticipate some trading of picks, so the opportunity to grab a Sankey may yet present itself at a decent price. And spending another high choice on a RB two years in a row seems like a luxury pick.

 

Carroll sure seemed to like having a stable of good running backs at USC. And the offense last year got a bit predictable at times last year without a Harvin or Rice around so defenses were able to bottle up the offense a bit. We weren't getting those 50 point explosions. Which makes sense since they spent the offseason/preseason building the passing game around Harvin. The offense needs a play making and/or redzone WR and maybe some other type of threat, like a downfield threat TE, or...something.

 

Sankey is a bit of outside the box thinking I guess. Might not be the right box. I still do think that there are similarities to Lynch with his game. Might not be doppelganger. There's only one Beast Mode. Girl's Name better be good if we don't draft another RB, because I hate drafting for need, and it will be next year.

[FlaHawker 24]

Looking forward to the draft. I no longer get caught in draft boards and rankings so I can just sit back and enjoy. I don't care if we draft a WR, OT, or DL. It's all good! In PC & JS I trust!

[phillybear 366]

Looking forward to the draft. I no longer get caught in draft boards and rankings so I can just sit back and enjoy. I don't care if we draft a WR, OT, or DL. It's all good! In PC & JS I trust!

 

I feel more prepared and obsessed than ever before. 15 columns of information, 400 names, ADV, ADP, 7 colors for identifying characteristics, tiers, tiers, and more tiers. This is the Version 7.0 Draft Bored for just this year. Yes, I made 6 of these before. The draft order chart is ready to go too.

 

It's not a matter of if I'm going to punch somebody in the throat on the way home from work. It's how many and if they will be school kids. Place your bets.

[FlaHawker 24]

 

I feel more prepared and obsessed than ever before. 15 columns of information, 400 names, ADV, ADP, 7 colors for identifying characteristics, tiers, tiers, and more tiers. This is the Version 7.0 Draft Bored for just this year. Yes, I made 6 of these before. The draft order chart is ready to go too.

 

It's not a matter of if I'm going to punch somebody in the throat on the way home from work. It's how many and if they will be school kids. Place your bets.

I used to obsess over the draft. No more. SERENITY NOW!! SERENITY NOW!!

[phillybear 366]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/08/seahawks-visited-with-andre-carter/

 

 

Seahawks visited with Andre Carter

Hundreds of players will be taking their first steps into professional football over the next three days, but some more seasoned players are also looking to find a home for the 2014 season as well.

Defensive end Andre Carter is such a player and Seattle may be a possible landing spot. Adam Caplan of ESPN reports that Carter visited with the Seahawks earlier this week.

Carter had two sacks in nine games with the Patriots last season and 2.5 sacks for the Raiders in 2011. He played a rotational pass-rushing role in both places, something that would also be the case if he won a job with the Seahawks.

The Seahawks could add some players with the potential to help their pass rush in the draft, which might negate any interest they have in adding Carter to the mix. Competition has been a keyword since Pete Carroll and John Schneider came to the team, though, so multiple additions aren’t out of the question.

[phillybear 366]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000347978/article/john-schneider-seahawks-trade-at-no-32-is-realistic

 

John Schneider: Seahawks trade at No. 32 is 'realistic'

The Super Bowl champions are sitting in the catbird seat in the hours leading up to the 2014 NFL Draft.

 

Because of the fifth-year option on first-round contracts, Seattle Seahawks general manager John Schneider believes the No. 32 spot has added attraction.

Schneider told NFL Media's Alex Flanagan that he has talked to a few teams and it's "fairly realistic" he will trade down Thursday night.

 

If the Texans draft Jadeveon Clowney at the top of the draft, they will be in the market for a quarterback at No. 33 overall. That would leave quarterback-needy teams such as the Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, and Vikings as potential trade partners for the Seahawks. Armed with just six picks this year, Schneider says his primary goal is to add depth at all positions. He's one of the few general managers with the luxury of going the "best player available" route throughout the draft.

[Groundhog 24]

halfway through the draft and the big winner so far: the Rams. They now can run out Chris Long and Robert Quinn as bookend DE's, and then Aaron Donald as a disruptive DT. Ugly. Very ugly.

[phillybear 366]

halfway through the draft and the big winner so far: the Rams. They now can run out Chris Long and Robert Quinn as bookend DE's, and then Aaron Donald as a disruptive DT. Ugly. Very ugly.

 

Well, they also added OT Greg Robinson at 1.02, so that is worrisome too.

 

On the bright side, SF didn't pull any trigger to move up and pick up an impact player, so at least we can watch them blow pick after pick after pick.

[Hawkfin 32]

We will probably trade down and have a great opportunity too with the QB's falling. Someone will want to get in front of Houston.

 

But, these are my top rated guy's I really like for our pick or even if we trade down.

 

1. Kelvin Benjamin/WR - I think he could be a Fitz type of WR. Worse case M. Williams. But, I love his jump ball ability.

 

2. Cyrus K. /LT - He's my #2 rated Oline guy. I love him

 

3. M. Lee/WR - He could be an injury liability, but he is a playmaker. He's easily a G. Tate replacement. Not a perfect fit as I'd like to get a taller WR.

 

4. Scott Crichton/DE - True DE. He's my #2 after Clowney. Maybe should be higher on this list. I think he's really good all around and reminds me a lot of Bennett. He holds up against the run, but also has some pass pop. Solid DE , and could be a big need for us if we lose Avril next year.

 

5. Dee Ford/DE - He's boom or bust. TON of speed. He's a Avril or Clemmons replacement for sure. He's got a big injury history though. But, he could be a stud if he's pans out health wise. Big drop at the DE's IMO after him.

 

6. David Yankee/Guard - Love him. Not sure he's on anybody's radar, but I think he's a stud guard.

 

7. Cyril Richardson/Guard - Solid player and works hard, big motor, and looks good. Not sure he fits zone blocking

 

8. Allen Robinson/WR - Tall WR who looks the part. Reminds me of R. Wayne. Could be higher on this list, but don't hear his name much.

 

9. J. Matthews/WR - Another tall WR. Little thin and reminds me of M. Colston. Fits a big WR need for us though.

 

10. Gabe Jackson/LT & Joel Bitonio/LT - Solid picks who would fit the bill for us.

 

 

I'm rooting for a trade down. But when we pick I'd like to see a WR or OLine

Enjoy the draft

 

5.

[Groundhog 24]

Six picks ahead of us and these guys are still on the board (who I would want):

 

Dominique Easley

Marquise Lee

 

Plus Bridgewater and Carr.

[Groundhog 24]

One pick ahead of us. Denver has to go defense if they don't trade the pick, right?

Marquise Lee still available? Wow.

[Hawkfin 32]

Kind of hurts to trade down with M. Lee on the board. I think maybe they should have just took him.

But, I get the move. Getting a high 4th is pretty nice and only dropping down 8 spots.

Heck, maybe Lee will drop anyway.

 

I think they want to go Oline instead of WR anyway. Probably for good reason.

There is A LOT of good Oline on the board still and WR's.

 

Trading down again is possible too. Enjoy tomorrow guy's.

GO HAWKS

 

P.S. - I think our div didn't do all that great so far. Maybe Rams, but for having all that fire power of picks I'm not that impressed.

[Groundhog 24]

The Rams have completely aced this draft. Aced it. At least in rd1.

 

Greg Robinson will be a fixture at LT for 10 years. Now maybe Bradford is not the long-term solution at QB, but he (and anyone else) ought to play a lot better with their blindside fixed.

 

Aaron Donald is going going to be a disruptive beast on the interior. Unless we somehow coach up our OL significantly and add some talent, Russ is going to be running for his life back there - which he already was last year. They are still lacking in the secondary but holy christ that front four is lethal now.

 

If they can somehow get Carr or Garoppolo in rd2, I will be most displeased.

 

Cards got an extra pick and then added Bucannon, seems like they are trying to build their own Legion of Boom. A little surprised because Palmer is mid-30s whereas Bradford is still young. I thought maybe they over-drafted here but I like that Bucannon kid.

 

Niners? I don't think anyone thinks Ward was good value there. But who knows, all it takes is one other team to agree and then maybe they made a good move. Mayock liked him except worried that his body won't hold up over a full season - which is good for us because we play them towards the end of the season.

[phillybear 366]

Just a quick comment for now. My initial reaction was that we didn't get nearly enough on the trade down. You need a 4th AND.....

 

Then I looked it up on the value chart. 590 vs 588. I guess it was fair value.

 

However, I am cringing at leaving Marquis Lee on the board. What the fock? :mad:

 

Lots, I mean LOTS of good defensive line talent still left on the board too. Plenty of teams reaching for defensive backs of all types. Weird first round.

 

I fell asleep/passed out before the end. I get up for work around 3:00 AM EST so it's tough to stay awake. Was it true that the Seattle draft room went into panic mode when Easley got picked, forcing a trade down? If true, kudos to Groundhog for picking the right player they were targeting.

 

Well, assuming Houston takes a QB, 6 other players go off the board until Seattle picks first. Need to reassess the strategy.

[Hawkfin 32]

Groundhog, Your probably right about the Rams. I do like there picks. Donald was pretty solid, but I had him as a later prospect. Somebody I was targeting for the Hawks I guess. He is a beast though. The Oline was a safe play. There are a ton of good ones though.

 

I guess what I meant to say is this: Rams have had a TON of great picks. And they are waisting them away rolling with Bradford. He's garbage IMO and I never liked him from day 1 of his draft. Also, they drafted 2 WR's last year when it should have been S. Watkins this year.

They are building a great team though and the picks were good. There lines are getting built up which is always a nice start.

But, I'm not scared about there firepower on offense, but I guess that's me. There Def will of course be really good.

 

I think Arizona and S.F. didn't do that well, which was really my main point. Rams would have been hard pressed to go wrong with the early picks they had.

[Kopy 571]

Just a quick comment for now. My initial reaction was that we didn't get nearly enough on the trade down. You need a 4th AND.....

 

Then I looked it up on the value chart. 590 vs 588. I guess it was fair value.

 

However, I am cringing at leaving Marquis Lee on the board. What the fock? :mad:

 

Lots, I mean LOTS of good defensive line talent still left on the board too. Plenty of teams reaching for defensive backs of all types. Weird first round.

 

I fell asleep/passed out before the end. I get up for work around 3:00 AM EST so it's tough to stay awake. Was it true that the Seattle draft room went into panic mode when Easley got picked, forcing a trade down? If true, kudos to Groundhog for picking the right player they were targeting.

 

Well, assuming Houston takes a QB, 6 other players go off the board until Seattle picks first. Need to reassess the strategy.

The word I'm getting up here in Patriotsville is it was pretty much New England and Seattle that were gonna be locks for Easley. This was the only reason Belicheck didn't do his normal trade down approach.

[Kopy 571]

Lee's drop rate kinda concernes me from last year. It wasn't there his first 2 years, then injured last year, so maybe he was pressing.

I'm fine with a guy getting injured, but it didn't involve his hands. So I don't know.

[Groundhog 24]

Was it true that the Seattle draft room went into panic mode when Easley got picked, forcing a trade down? If true, kudos to Groundhog for picking the right player they were targeting.

 

Well, assuming Houston takes a QB, 6 other players go off the board until Seattle picks first. Need to reassess the strategy.

 

thanks. I read that elsewhere as well. When you have as many opinions as I do, some are bound to be right.

 

Meanwhile we've got seven picks to wait it out, assuming we do not trade down further. Here's what I see transpiring:

 

Houston @33:

Marquise Lee, WR…the last 1st-round quality WR out there, and Andre Johnson is getting on in years. I say they take the risk that another decent QB is still on the board heading into rd3 (Savage, Garoppolo, Carr, Mettenberger, Murray, Tajh Boyd, McCarron).

 

Washington @34:

Cyrus Kouandijo, OT…need more guys to keep RG III healthy.

 

Cleveland @35:

Stephon Tuitt, DT…him and Phil Taylor on the inside? Yikes.

 

Oakland @36:

Morgan Moses, OT. The Raiders inexplicably let Jared Veldheer get away from them, so their O-line needs some assistance. Last high-end OT leaves the board.

 

Atlanta @37:

Louis Nix, DT…tough call here. They don't need a QB, they don't need a WR, most of the good corners and safeties are off the board. Maybe the first RB of the draft? Nah, I say they go defensive line.

 

Tampa @ 38:

Derek Carr, QB. Finally.

 

Jacksonville @ 39:

Jordan Matthews, WR…time to get Bortles a weapon.

 

Seattle @40:

Well we still see a few solid WRs out there…Allen Robinson, Cody Latimer, Donte Moncrief, Martavis Bryant. Plus a few O-lineman, including Joel Bitonio, Xavier Sua-Filo, and a few more interior DT guys…Hageman, for example.

Just a hunch it'll be Bitonio. I'll be ok with this pick if it is, at this spot.

[phillybear 366]

Day Two:

Picks 2.8 and 2.32

 

The way the draft sets up now, it looks like a normal draft, with Minnesota’s 2^nd and 4^th masquerading as late 1^st and 3^rd round picks, we seemingly have picks in every round now. Two 2’s, 4’s, and 5’s in a deep draft isn’t too shabby. So, if John Schneider is slow playing his pair of Aces by trading down, expecting the tiers to hold up of similarly valued players while picking up an early 4th, let’s take a look at the likely pools for the upcoming 2^nd round picks, assuming we don’t trade the 2.32 pick, which I suspect we will for a third and some other goodies.

 

Offensive linemen

Xavier Su’a-Filo, OG, UCLA

Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

Joel Bitonio, G/T, Nevada

Marcus Martin, G/C, USC

 

Kouandjio has a bad knee which he can no longer drive off of. It’s a Jesse Williams situation. Can he recover sufficiently? I don’t want to roll the dice in the 2^nd round. He’s had conditioning issues too. Which is James Carpenter again. Pass. Moses is very slow footed, can’t handle speed rushers, lunges at his blocks, and would be miscast in zone blocking. Don’t want him. Su’a-Filo is a nice safe pick, can play OG on either side and can play in a zone blocking system. Would Seattle take a OG this early, that is the question? Marcus Martin is a bit like Sweezey in that he hasn’t had all that much experience playing offensive line. He’s listed as a center, but played two seasons at guard. He’s very good run blocker but raw and needs to be developed. He’s been moving up draft boards the past few weeks. Don’t let the center thing scare you off. Remember, Unger played guard for the Hawks before moving to center. He and Martin could be interchangeable and play side by side. Bitonio is a perfect player in a zone blocking system and very versatile. To summarize, I’d be OK with taking Su’a-Filo, Bitonio, or Martin with one of our 2^nd round picks.

 

Defensive linemen

Timmie Jernigan, DT, Florida St

Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame

Ra’Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

Demarcus Lawrence, OLB/DE, Boise St

Stephon Tuitt, DE/DT, Notre Dame

Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon St

 

Well, let’s count up some red flags. Jernigan has the bad urine sample from the combines. Ealy has a God complex and lacks any distinguishing superior skill set. Tuitt’s motivation came under scrutiny last season. Nix has a knee issue and is best suited for a 3-4 scheme. Hageman is inconsistent. Lawrence is undersized and can’t play against the run ala Bruce Irvin. Crichton is short. Sigh. But what do I know? Easley gets drafted in the 1^st round after not one but two ACL surgeries.

 

Wide Receivers

Marquis Lee, WR, USC

Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

Allen Robinson, WR, Penn St

Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi

Davante Adams, WR, Fresno St

Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

Martavius Bryant, WR, Clemson

Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

 

There’s a lot to like here. Throw them in a sack, take your pick. I like Lee, Robinson, and Moncrief a bit more than the rest. Grab one in the 2^nd round.

 

No official prediction. Just the tiers. Since I can either or both picks traded down still to acquire yet more picks.

[phillybear 366]

The word I'm getting up here in Patriotsville is it was pretty much New England and Seattle that were gonna be locks for Easley. This was the only reason Belicheck didn't do his normal trade down approach.

 

And Quinn was his college coach.

[phillybear 366]

Lee's drop rate kinda concernes me from last year. It wasn't there his first 2 years, then injured last year, so maybe he was pressing.

I'm fine with a guy getting injured, but it didn't involve his hands. So I don't know.

 

USC had QB issues in 2013. Lee finished the season strong so the drops for me are a non issue. He is going to be an excellent player in the league and we passed on him. I'm disappointed, very very disappointed.

[phillybear 366]

Tampa @ 38:

Derek Carr, QB. Finally.

 

Lovie announced last night/this morning that Mike Glennon is the Tampa Bay QB of the future and why they didn't take a QB in the first round. I don't think they take Carr here. For what it's worth.

[Hawkfin 32]

 

thanks. I read that elsewhere as well. When you have as many opinions as I do, some are bound to be right.

 

Meanwhile we've got seven picks to wait it out, assuming we do not trade down further. Here's what I see transpiring:

 

Houston @33:

Marquise Lee, WR…the last 1st-round quality WR out there, and Andre Johnson is getting on in years. I say they take the risk that another decent QB is still on the board heading into rd3 (Savage, Garoppolo, Carr, Mettenberger, Murray, Tajh Boyd, McCarron).

 

Washington @34:

Cyrus Kouandijo, OT…need more guys to keep RG III healthy.

 

Cleveland @35:

Stephon Tuitt, DT…him and Phil Taylor on the inside? Yikes.

 

Oakland @36:

Morgan Moses, OT. The Raiders inexplicably let Jared Veldheer get away from them, so their O-line needs some assistance. Last high-end OT leaves the board.

 

Atlanta @37:

Louis Nix, DT…tough call here. They don't need a QB, they don't need a WR, most of the good corners and safeties are off the board. Maybe the first RB of the draft? Nah, I say they go defensive line.

 

Tampa @ 38:

Derek Carr, QB. Finally.

 

Jacksonville @ 39:

Jordan Matthews, WR…time to get Bortles a weapon.

 

Seattle @40:

Well we still see a few solid WRs out there…Allen Robinson, Cody Latimer, Donte Moncrief, Martavis Bryant. Plus a few O-lineman, including Joel Bitonio, Xavier Sua-Filo, and a few more interior DT guys…Hageman, for example.

Just a hunch it'll be Bitonio. I'll be ok with this pick if it is, at this spot.

Good post. I would be ok with Bitonio, but he might be there or one comparable to him with the 2nd of the 2nd rounders.

 

I like Allen Robinson there, but Scott Crichton/DE would be a wonderful pick too.

 

I thik we should land a Oline guy with one of these two 2nd rounders though. I hoping Cyrus falls to us and we go him.

If not, then I would like to see us wait and go David Yankee with our original 2nd rounder. Look at the WR or DE-DT.

 

Not a big fan of Xavier at this pic really. Also not a fan of going DT. I'm still holding out hope the 2 DT's we picked last year will amount to something OR they were more waisted early picks. Bennett can also play inside at times.

Crichton makes a lot of sense.

[phillybear 366]

6. David Yankee/Guard - Love him. Not sure he's on anybody's radar, but I think he's a stud guard.

 

7. Cyril Richardson/Guard - Solid player and works hard, big motor, and looks good. Not sure he fits zone blocking

 

10. Gabe Jackson/LT

 

Since I had started commenting and throwing around my self indulgent views on offensive linemen....

 

I like Yankey quite a bit. He's slid down draft boards to about the mid to bottom of the 3rd round, so I'm hoping we could land him outside of the 2nd round. But if we took him at 2.32, I wouldn't scream bloody murder either. Very versatile, very good run blocking, good fit for zone blocking.

 

I think Cyril Richardson is a pass. He got abused by speed rushers, especially at the Senior Bowl. He's a bad fit for zone blocking due to mobility.

 

I think Gabe Jackson is too heavy to be effective against speed rushers and is also a bad fit for a zone blocking scheme. Just doesn't move well.

[Hawkfin 32]

 

USC had QB issues in 2013. Lee finished the season strong so the drops for me are a non issue. He is going to be an excellent player in the league and we passed on him. I'm disappointed, very very disappointed.

I'm with you. I feel bad passing on Lee. But, I had Allen Robinson right there with Lee. But, he's bigger and fits the S. Rice/M. Williams role that we don't really have.

Lee is more like Harvin, but also probably a better wide. He has the potential to have been the best in the class actually.

But, he's also a risk.

 

But, with Lee being from USC Pete should know him very well. Maybe he's not even on our board? Or he knows something?

I don't feel to bad about this and trust Pete would not pass on him if he was a sure fire can't miss prospect that we would probably miss out on with the trade down. OR they think they can still get him.

He is kind of thin in structure and knees. Might not hold up in the NFL.

 

Cyrus/Oline has had knee problems, but he sure looks good on tape. I don't see that he can't get off or is that effected? Maybe I'm wrong? But, he sure looks really good to me at everything. (Pass support and run blocking and power)

I'll have to go back and check him out again.

[phillybear 366]

Cyrus/Oline has had knee problems, but he sure looks good on tape. I don't see that he can't get off or is that effected? Maybe I'm wrong? But, he sure looks really good to me at everything. (Pass support and run blocking and power)

I'll have to go back and check him out again.

 

I think medically there is something wrong with him. He looked bad against Auburn and then in the bowl game vs Oklahoma, getting made to look a bit silly. He ran a really slow time at the combine. Looked stiff in the workouts. Many scouts said he looked very unathletic. For a zone blocking scheme, slow, stiff, and unathletic draw red flags for me. Just my gut feeling.

 

It's a shame. The kid has/had all the tools in the world to be a top 15 pick. Somebody will take him for his potential. Maybe it's the Alabama program. They take kids, chew them up, spit them out, and they enter the NFL damaged.

[Hawkfin 32]

 

Since I had started commenting and throwing around my self indulgent views on offensive linemen....

 

I like Yankey quite a bit. He's slid down draft boards to about the mid to bottom of the 3rd round, so I'm hoping we could land him outside of the 2nd round. But if we took him at 2.32, I wouldn't scream bloody murder either. Very versatile, very good run blocking, good fit for zone blocking.

 

I think Cyril Richardson is a pass. He got abused by speed rushers, especially at the Senior Bowl. He's a bad fit for zone blocking due to mobility.

 

I think Gabe Jackson is too heavy to be effective against speed rushers and is also a bad fit for a zone blocking scheme. Just doesn't move well.

I agree with this. I really like Yankey as I already mentioned. He is even my #3 overall O line guy on my list. I know maybe his draft stock isn't there, but I don't go by that. It's clear our FO doesn't either.

 

Richardson probably isn't a fit. I agree. But, I didn't notice a problem with speed rushers? Maybe I was thinking of moving him to a guard role where he would be less burned by a speed rush? Can't remember my notes on him? He was more of 2-3 pick. Not really a 1-2.

 

Gabe I had rated about the same as Richardson so your views I could relate with.

 

I don't think I listed those 2 on my original list of top 10 wants for our first pick? There probably is better options.

Edit: I guess i did list those two, but at the bottom tier of the list. Yankey would be there though who I had higher.

[Hawkfin 32]

 

I think medically there is something wrong with him. He looked bad against Auburn and then in the bowl game vs Oklahoma, getting made to look a bit silly. He ran a really slow time at the combine. Looked stiff in the workouts. Many scouts said he looked very unathletic. For a zone blocking scheme, slow, stiff, and unathletic draw red flags for me. Just my gut feeling.

 

It's a shame. The kid has/had all the tools in the world to be a top 15 pick. Somebody will take him for his potential. Maybe it's the Alabama program. They take kids, chew them up, spit them out, and they enter the NFL damaged.

Hmmm, thanks for the info. I'll have to look more into him. Doesn't sound good.

 

I do see a big differance between him and Carpenter though. Carpenter had a ugly tape to me and looked lazy, confused, slow, and beatable often. No power and just looked average.

Cyrus showed none of those issues to me on the tape I watched. And actually most impressive on all those issues.

Although not sure I looked at the games you mentioned in question. I'll look at those and maybe even some of the health issues.

 

Combine means jack to me for Oline - Maybe Bench lift. Although I can see your point for Zone blocking and that you might want speed and athletic. But really, that seems over blown. If the guy has power and technique and is good, I'm sure anybody can move 5 steps and pull.

Cyrus might also be a Left or Right Tackle rather than guard. Guards probably pull more. LT-RT is more geared to protect Wilson.

Okung's contract is also creeping up and could become a problem.

[phillybear 366]

I was reading about John Schneider’s press conference, and how he seemed nearly giddy about trading down last night. Which is peculiar, right? Being happy about NOT picking players to add to your team. Still, he talked about the “upsets”. Which is who we call reaches. He clearly felt he could trade back and still capture the same value at #40 as at #32 while adding a pick due to these surprise picks. And you know, he’s actually pretty much spot on. I’m not making any claims, and clearly different people have different people have different opinions on players. However, by my opinion, I see 7 surprise picks in the first round last night, picks that I would have expected in the 2^nd round, maybe early 2^nd, but to be picked after 1.32 nonetheless:

 

Ju’waun James

Jason Verrett

Marcus Smith

Deone Buchanan

Kelvin Benjamin

Dominique Easley

Jimmie Ward

 

We traded down 8 picks. You would expect Derek Carr to be taken within the next 8 picks. So, 7 more position players (or QBs) will be selected. John Schneider traded down exactly to the exact spot due to the reaches. So, in essense, we will get the #32 or most likely much better rated player on the Seahawks board no matter what. While getting an early 4th. it might not be fun, but from a mathematical and value driven sense, it's the right thing to do. Funny how that math stuff works out.

 

Also, you could see how Schneider is the one that is making this chaos happen. The Seahawks went wire to wire last season and crushed Denver in a joke of a Superbowl. It’s a copycat league, and everybody is now racing to try to build their own super secondary. Wow, what a run on defensive backs last night, and guys that can get after the QB. I realize Arizona and San Francisco made significant reaches for their safety picks last night, but safeties were flying off the shelves and if they wanted one, they had to get one now, now, now. It was panic time. Kudos to Arizona, who has a really focking scary secondary; unfortunately for them they will badly miss Karlos Dansby so their defense is probably going to take a step back this year anyway. I have no idea if San Fran has a plan of any kind other than get old and do not extend players to cap friendly deals early in the process to avoid ugly negotiations, hurt feelings, and holdouts later. The Rams are making up for years of terrible drafts and stocking their cupboards with lots of talent.

[Groundhog 24]

I would not be surprised for us to trade out of the 2.8 slot as well. By my count there are well over 30 guys still out there with arguably 2nd round values. Even if you eliminate the QBs from the list, it's still well over 30. So unless there's a guy out there on a higher tier than everyone else (Marquise Lee, I'm looking at you) when we get to 2.8, I would say trade down within the round and grab yet another mid-round pick. We have not yet seen the TE run which is inevitable, we haven't seen a single RB go yet, and these are guys we probably are not targeting.

[phillybear 366]

Hmmm, thanks for the info. I'll have to look more into him. Doesn't sound good.

 

I do see a big differance between him and Carpenter though. Carpenter had a ugly tape to me and looked lazy, confused, slow, and beatable often. No power and just looked average.

Cyrus showed none of those issues to me on the tape I watched. And actually most impressive on all those issues.

Although not sure I looked at the games you mentioned in question. I'll look at those and maybe even some of the health issues.

 

Combine means jack to me for Oline - Maybe Bench lift. Although I can see your point for Zone blocking and that you might want speed and athletic. But really, that seems over blown. If the guy has power and technique and is good, I'm sure anybody can move 5 steps and pull.

Cyrus might also be a Left or Right Tackle rather than guard. Guards probably pull more. LT-RT is more geared to protect Wilson.

Okung's contract is also creeping up and could become a problem.

 

Alabama tackle Cyrus Kouandjio is off the boards of roughly 20 teams due to long-term medical concerns about cartilage in his knee, Rapoport reported on "2014 NFL Draft Kickoff." One team to watch on Kouandjio is the Redskins, per Rapoport.

[phillybear 366]

It appears that a bunch of teams are scared by the knee of Marquis Lee. Huh.

[phillybear 366]

Well, with Su'a-Filo and Bitonio (what the fock is Cleveland doing there?) off the board, we are going WR or DE/DT. No doubt. Where is the WR run and when does it start?

 

Or trade down.

[phillybear 366]

I think the Seahawks just made a trade. Maybe?

 

Edit: I think I jumped the gun.

[phillybear 366]

I think the Seahawks just made a trade. Maybe?

 

Edit: I think I jumped the gun.

 

Trade happened after all. Players gone? Sweet deal? I'm waiting for the details.

[phillybear 366]

Seahawks trade with Detroit:

 

Seattle gives up #40 and # 146

Detroit gives up #45, #111, #227

 

Seattle current draft picks..

 

2.13

2.32

4.8

4.11

4.32

5.32

6.32

7.12

[FlaHawker 24]

#45 Paul Richardson WR Colorado.

[phillybear 366]

Tiny Richardson, OT, Tennessee.

 

Oh, wait. I'm following along with the draft, and my update says Tiny Richardson. I'm coming here to say, hey, it's a bit of a reach, but I understand the pick, and explain why I'm on board.

 

Whoops, it changes suddenly.

 

Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado is a dog sh!t pick. Just ignore 15 better WR prospects to take a guy that can't get off the line of scrimmage. Hey, stupid, you now have 3 4th round picks. Use one of them on Focking Paul Focking Richardson Focking Fock. Fock. Clown shoes.

[phillybear 366]

Look, I love acquiring extra picks as much as anybody, but when your first pick in the draft is the biggest reach in the draft, year after year after year......um......FOCK

 

Paul Focking Richardson is a practice squad player. Maybe.

[phillybear 366]

Come on, he's a 4th round WR.

 

What, you drafting a guy you might turn into your punt returner?

 

Fock. Just so focking stupid when it comes to value drafting.