Dez threatens holdout into regular season...

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Most writers (including Shefter) are saying Dez deal should be coming before the deadline today

 

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Most writers (including Shefter) are saying Dez deal should be coming before the deadline today

 

Tlts!! This is huge for my dynasty team. Awesome.

[giraldi02 474]

Tlts!! This is huge for my dynasty team. Awesome.

It was all an overreaction firestorm by everyone. There was NEVER a chance he was going to miss games IMHO. I bought him so damn hard in MFL10s. He went once in the mid 2nd round.

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It was all an overreaction firestorm by everyone. There was NEVER a chance he was going to miss games IMHO. I bought him so damn hard in MFL10s. He went once in the mid 2nd round.

Damn nice! My 4 mfl draft slots were 4, 4, 6, 6. He never came back to me in the second.

 

I didnt think he would miss games, but i was concerned he would miss camp and be prone to some hammy issues.

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I usually do not agree with over paying players, but in this instance the cowboys have a short window to win.

Unlike Murray, I don't feel $30 or $40m guaranteed is overpaying for Dez. Outside of Romo - he is the 2nd most irreplaceable player on the team. That, and at 26 years old - he's about to hit the prime of his playing career.

 

Local word is the Boys and Dez are close - anytime now.

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Yeah...the only thing that did worry me was missing some camp and like FBN said, hammys. But when he showed up to the mini-camps (even though he didn't participate), I called BS from loud and afar that he'd miss games haha.

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Mike Fisher is reporting Dez is either on route, or already at Valley Ranch... 5 years is the word coming out - no $$ figure announced.

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5 years - $70m - $45m guaranteed is the word.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

So first 4 years locked in for him. That's good security.

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So first 4 years locked in for him. That's good security.

As far as big money contracts go - this is a really good deal all the way around. It's (relatively speaking) cap friendly, and it makes Dez happy.

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Good for him as well as Demaryious, they both deserve big contracts and its stupid to draw it out longer than it should be.

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Ka-POW!

 

it's a lot of money for a non-franchise position, but it's quite manageable since the guarantee will come off the books at the same time romo's cap hit drops sharply and Witten's contract wraps up. so DAL heads into the post-romo years with 3 of the top 5 cap hits gone.

 

this outlines the next 3 seasons--the team as it is now is it. we'll see similar drafting, role player FA acquisitions, and no more reaching for UFA glitter. solid plan all the way.

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Ka-POW!

 

it's a lot of money for a non-franchise position, but it's quite manageable since the guarantee will come off the books at the same time romo's cap hit drops sharply and Witten's contract wraps up. so DAL heads into the post-romo years with 3 of the top 5 cap hits gone.

 

this outlines the next 3 seasons--the team as it is now is it. we'll see similar drafting, role player FA acquisitions, and no more reaching for UFA glitter. solid plan all the way.

Outside of passing on B. Petty in the 3rd round of the draft - I'm pretty damn happy and excited about all of the offseason moves.

 

Not an immediate concern, but T. Fredrick's deal is up after 2016 (z.martin thru '17, smith & green thru '18). I would not be opposed at all to go ahead and extend him at the end of this year and get him locked down long term.

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Outside of passing on B. Petty in the 3rd round of the draft - I'm pretty damn happy and excited about all of the offseason moves.

 

Not an immediate concern, but T. Fredrick's deal is up after 2016 (z.martin thru '17, smith & green thru '18). I would not be opposed at all to go ahead and extend him at the end of this year and get him locked down long term.

 

 

honestly, i thin that pick was the only blemish on the offseason, in terms of football. still wish something besides hardy would have been available, but life isn't perfect.

 

honestly, i wonder how things would have gone down had a psychic told the FO that they would be getting collins and gregory. there's a possibility that murray would still be here, and hardy/green would not.

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I think outside of the running back position this team is poised to really become an NFL power. The reduction in Hardy's suspension was huge, just huge.

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I think outside of the running back position this team is poised to really become an NFL power. The reduction in Hardy's suspension was huge, just huge.

 

i think hardy is going to be the story of next offseason. anything less than 8 sacks, and he's out of here. >10, he stays. but if he's in the 8-10 range, there's going to be a lot of debate.

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honestly, i wonder how things would have gone down had a psychic told the FO that they would be getting collins and gregory. there's a possibility that murray would still be here, and hardy/green would not.

I know you disagree, I respect that - but I'd much rather have Hardy over Murray... Had Murray stayed, we'd have a crap load of $$ tied up in a backfield, and still the issue of how to get teams off the field on 3rd downs. Hardy is going to change the entire dynamic of the defense. Even when not in the play, he will affect the play. He is going to make it possible for our secondary to improve (almost overnight), he's going to make S. Lee better. He's going to make Hayden, Crawford, Lawrence and Gregory better. Murray was great - but he didn't have that kind of stroke.

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I know you disagree, I respect that - but I'd much rather have Hardy over Murray...

 

 

 

you must have me confused with someone else--i've been saying the same thing all offseason.

 

i don't like hardy's baggage, but on the field, there's no question that he's a more valuable puzzle piece than murray was. it pains me to say it though, since murray was the essence of the RKG. some DAL fans hate him now, but i wish him absolutely the best. except...

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you must have me confused with someone else--i've been saying the same thing all offseason.

 

i don't like hardy's baggage, but on the field, there's no question that he's a more valuable puzzle piece than murray was. it pains me to say it though, since murray was the essence of the RKG. some DAL fans hate him now, but i wish him absolutely the best. except...

Yea - I don't understand the piss and vinegar attitude for Murray now... He was a FA - well within his right to seek as much money as he could. And at his age, this was his last big contract and the one that he would live on past football.. Maybe it's bcoz he went to the hated Eagles. In the end, I still think they will regret shelling out that much money for him.

 

As far as Hardy's "baggage" - I'm still not convinced on a lot of things surrounding it... Once the season starts, and if/when he stays on the straight and narrow, it will be all forgotten... I kind of equate him to Dez. The lynch mob is still waiting, pitchforks in hand, for Dez;s "timebomb" to go off. They are so convinced he's about to be arrested in a hotel room with a team of ISIS members and 4 tons of TNT. Coincidentally - the lynch mob is also convinced there is a "video" out there, to be released soon...

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Yea - I don't understand the piss and vinegar attitude for Murray now... He was a FA - well within his right to seek as much money as he could. And at his age, this was his last big contract and the one that he would live on past football.. Maybe it's bcoz he went to the hated Eagles. In the end, I still think they will regret shelling out that much money for him.

 

As far as Hardy's "baggage" - I'm still not convinced on a lot of things surrounding it... Once the season starts, and if/when he stays on the straight and narrow, it will be all forgotten... I kind of equate him to Dez. The lynch mob is still waiting, pitchforks in hand, for Dez;s "timebomb" to go off. They are so convinced he's about to be arrested in a hotel room with a team of ISIS members and 4 tons of TNT. Coincidentally - the lynch mob is also convinced there is a "video" out there, to be released soon...

This is a nice side discussion think I'll join. Firstly, Dallas fans have a history of carrying grudges- ARod, Josh Hamilton, TO etc. I personally liked TO because all he did was score TDs. I've been on record as saying this team is vastly underrating what DeMarco Murray meant to its current format. Enough said.

 

Dallas made a gutsy move signing Hardy but it was brilliant nonetheless. I'm surprised they got him so cheap. What's truly amazing is that 31 other teams showed pure stubborn ignorance by passing on him, including the clueless fock who owns the Raiders.

 

Now that JPP blew his right index finger off Hardy is THE best pure DE in the NFC. He's far superior against the run than the Rams Robert Quinn. And this dude has a huge ass chip on his shoulder. If I'm Stephen Jones I'm already talking longterm with him.

 

When this all came down I googled- "Greg Hardy Trouble" and came up with ten pages of this recent crap. Finally on page 11 there was a blip about a late hit on RGIII he got fined for and I'd hardly hold that against him lol... This dude has been a fairly solid citizen in his life and just got mixed up with a crazy ass chick who was raged and drugged up. Did he lose control? Yeah. Did he make a mistake? Absolutely. But digging into the episode, in which I feel the woman was all over him, you hardly see the wanton battering and abusive maniac he's been presented as. People speak of Hardy paying the girl off, but I think it's just as likely she did not care to perjure herself a second time under oath. Probably a combination of the two.

 

I think this move is parallel to Jerry signing Charles Haley. Coupled with the Lael Collins fleecing, Jones should be patting himself on the back. And much deservedly so.

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When this all came down I googled- "Greg Hardy Trouble" and came up with ten pages of this recent crap.

When you actually invest a little time and curiosity into this - you find a whole lot 2+2= 5 in this case.... I've said many times on the other board, maybe he did do it - but there is a significant amount things that suggest maybe it didn't exactly go down like Nicole Holder claims... In any event, I think it was a brilliant move to get him, and at the contract we did. Not having the huge financial commitment to Murray that it would have taken to keep him, makes it much more possible to resign Hardy long term.

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As far as Hardy's "baggage" - I'm still not convinced on a lot of things surrounding it... Once the season starts, and if/when he stays on the straight and narrow, it will be all forgotten... I kind of equate him to Dez. The lynch mob is still waiting, pitchforks in hand, for Dez;s "timebomb" to go off. They are so convinced he's about to be arrested in a hotel room with a team of ISIS members and 4 tons of TNT. Coincidentally - the lynch mob is also convinced there is a "video" out there, to be released soon...

 

if i was convinced that he had done it, then i would be obnoxious about not wanting him on the team. the thing that makes me willing to accept him is that the DA said there was insufficient evidence even to charge him, without the participation of the victim. they could have prosecuted him even without her cooperation, so this is a very important point. that's why i have zero moral problem with the reduction in his suspension--in the eyes of the law, he didn't do it. and for goodell to claim that his investigator is somehow better than an entire police department is absurd.

 

ultimately though, it's something i just don't want around the team.

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I personally liked TO because all he did was score TDs.

 

 

i'm sure i've told this story before, but i met TO in a north dallas club one night, and told him that he had proven me wrong. i hadn't wanted him to come to DAL, and had insisted that anything the team accomplished while he was there would be tainted. but he came in, checked his ego, and just played football, so i had to own that i was wrong about him.

 

amusingly, he turned back into a whiny, me-first diva the following season.

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ultimately though, it's something i just don't want around the team.

I've a bigger issue with J. Randle - I would have already kicked his ass to the curb.

[R8RMick 242]

I've a bigger issue with J. Randle - I would have already kicked his ass to the curb.

It's just business. The Underwear Fetish is something easier dealt with if he was 220 and ran a 4.4 forty, and more importantly could block.

 

Keep an eye on a kid named Jeremy Langford, drafted by Chicago in Round 4. He would have looked good in a Cowboy uniform.

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J. Randle - I would have already kicked his ass to the curb.

 

agreed--when the story broke, i didn't think he'd last the week, and was unhappy when he wasn't cut. but i have slightly more tolerance for knucklehead than for hardy's kind of trouble.

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...but i have slightly more tolerance for knucklehead than for hardy's kind of trouble.

That's just it (least with me) - I'm not so certain "that kind" of trouble isn't Randle, not Hardy.

 

Again, everyone is saying that Hardy did this and that, yet no real proof of it exists. It's a sheep mentality - everyone says it's true, so it must be.... Randle on the other hand actually has a real, verifiable, pattern of not only being a knucklehead -but of being a real problem. Shoplifting, domestic abuse, smashing car windows, guns, marijuana and child support failure - it's a continuous pattern... Whereas Hardy - least to my knowledge that I've been able to find - is a 1 time alleged occurrence... So who's the real trouble?

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That's just it (least with me) - I'm not so certain "that kind" of trouble isn't Randle, not Hardy.

 

Again, everyone is saying that Hardy did this and that, yet no real proof of it exists. It's a sheep mentality - everyone says it's true, so it must be.... Randle on the other hand actually has a real, verifiable, pattern of not only being a knucklehead -but of being a real problem. Shoplifting, domestic abuse, smashing car windows, guns, marijuana and child support failure - it's a continuous pattern... Whereas Hardy - least to my knowledge that I've been able to find - is a 1 time alleged occurrence... So who's the real trouble?

I was accused on the Raider forums for blowing off Hardy's DV issues simply because of his talent. There's a sensitive side to this issue in the Raider organization, even spilling over into the fan base, because of the incident with Fred Biletnikoff's daughter. It caused Mark Davis to not even consider Hardy as a free agent.

 

Looking into the case, it's easy to see there are some inconsistencies there. For example I think HARDY actually made the first call to the cops, with the second call made by Holder's friend who wasn't even in the apartment to physically witness the physical altercation.

 

Another factor played into public opinion was the large collection of guns Hardy possessed. But those of us from Texas would hardly think twice of that lol...

 

Also this case was near invisible until the Ray Rice video broke, then public opinion against Hardy increased dramatically.

 

Lastly the behavior of Holder herself, who was under the influence and in a highly agitated state. I witnessed the Kobe Bryant episode while living in LA, and one thing learned is that women should not AUTOMATICALLY be given the benefit of the doubt in all cases. If a man, even a large one like Hardy, is being physically assaulted by an enraged woman who is also under the influence, chances are he's going to put his hands on her. Maybe he lost control, who knows. My point is that the case isn't the cut and dried battering and wanton abusive assault some are presenting it as.

 

I've ridiculed Jerry Jones plenty on this board, but this move was shrewd and gutsy. With the support system he has built here in Dallas, he knew he could pull it off in the media as well. The post-signing presser, every move made since in regards to integrating Hardy to the club, it's all been genius.

 

And for that they get the best pure defensive end in the NFC, which by the way was their greatest need.

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Looking into the case, it's easy to see there are some inconsistencies there.

 

I've been accused of being a blind homer on this - when in reality, all I've done is research and ask questions. I've in fact have tried to get to the lynch mob's side, I don't like woman beaters - but I haven't found enough to get there.

 

* You have a tiny woman who claims Hardy beat the hell out of and threatened to kill her. Yet the responding officers saw no signs of it, nor did she require medical treatment... Call me crazy, but when a 6'4", 280 lbs. mountain of NFL muscle beats the hell out of you - you're going to show signs of having been hit by a bus. She seemingly showed nothing - bloody lip, cuts, messed up hair, scratches, bruises, nothing... How's that possible?

 

* Earlier that night Holder's friend said, on the record, that N. Holder told her she was going to get Greg (Hardy) to pay her rent.

 

* 2 nights before the alleged incident, security officers were called to the apartment where they observed (on the record) N. Holder out of control, in a rage and upset. They asked her to step away from the car (Hardy's camp claims) she just kicked the door in.

 

* In the state of NC, the state has the power to prosecute domestic abuse cases w/out the accuser. The DA looked at the case and dropped it - citing lack of evidentiary proof to pursue it.

 

* And as stated earlier - Holder admitted (on the record) to being high on both cocaine and alcohol the night of the alleged incident.

 

Again - I'm not saying he didn't or couldn't have done it. I'm saying something doesn't add up - not seeing the fire to go along with the smoke.