So why does it have to be just 2 people?

[kutulu 1,703]

 

That Hillary got virtually every superdelegate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

 

Versus say 2008 when Obama was the nominee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2008

 

It seems statistically to be virtually impossible to have that much consensus among the superdelegates, unless they colluded of course.

It's not fantasy football. Perhaps you don't like the system doesn't mean it's rigged. The Democrats in charge of the party were never going to vote for bernie unless he absolutely crushed it everywhere, which he didn't. Sanders is a Democrat as much as trump is a republican.

[jerryskids 7,068]

It's not fantasy football. Perhaps you don't like the system doesn't mean it's rigged. The Democrats in charge of the party were never going to vote for bernie unless he absolutely crushed it everywhere, which he didn't. Sanders is a Democrat as much as trump is a republican.

 

I had heard that their votes were in at the start of the primaries, and that some news media reported them early to give the perception that Hillary had an insurmountable lead. But I don't have a link to confirm.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

That Hillary got virtually every superdelegate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

 

Versus say 2008 when Obama was the nominee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2008

 

It seems statistically to be virtually impossible to have that much consensus among the superdelegates, unless they colluded of course.

You make it sound like it's illegal to collude or something?

 

Like it or not the super delegates are basically SUPPOSED to collude. The idea being there is some near-consensus establishment candidate so they can potentially override the crazy leftists in the party if need be.

 

I don't like it and I would've been super pissed if Bernie lost because of the super delegates. But as it turns out she won the majority of votes and regular delegates so I don't really see the relevance at this point.

[kutulu 1,703]

 

I had heard that their votes were in at the start of the primaries, and that some news media reported them early to give the perception that Hillary had an insurmountable lead. But I don't have a link to confirm.

Yah, you don't need a link, I'm sure that's true...still, not rigged. I believe they did put in place some reforms going forward to address the perception its rigged. I'M sure it will still be a pretty hard for any outsiders to cracked through....course they can always start their own political party cause America

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,535]

Meh, seems to me you have no credibility if you can't divorce the man from his policies.

As a person he seemed like a decent human being. If you consider living off the govt his entire life decent that's fine. He's still better than the other 2. His politics on the other hand were the worst of any candidate

[jerryskids 7,068]

You make it sound like it's illegal to collude or something?

 

Like it or not the super delegates are basically SUPPOSED to collude. The idea being there is some near-consensus establishment candidate so they can potentially override the crazy leftists in the party if need be.

 

I don't like it and I would've been super pissed if Bernie lost because of the super delegates. But as it turns out she won the majority of votes and regular delegates so I don't really see the relevance at this point.

They didn't collude in 2008, check my link.

[kutulu 1,703]

They didn't collude in 2008, check my link.

that goes back to my point...bernie was an outside, Obama and Clinton, two insiders. You can compare 08 to 16 and say it was rigged, doesn't make it so

[Voltaire 5,473]

 

That Hillary got virtually every superdelegate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

 

Versus say 2008 when Obama was the nominee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2008

 

It seems statistically to be virtually impossible to have that much consensus among the superdelegates, unless they colluded of course.

This year, the elite Dem donors have more control over their party than GOP donors control have over theirs. Watch now that Trump has the GOP puppetmasters spooked, they'll follow the Dems' lead on this and the state by state results become essentially worthless in both.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

honest question. If Kasich was a "normal, sensible Republican", and im not disputing that, then why didn't the republican party end up with him as their nominee? Donald Trump signals the end of the world supposedly yet here he is having bested every other republican candidate. Certainly basic theatrics wouldnt be enough to sway the republican voters away from whatever qualifies as a normal, sensible republican....?

I put some blame on the RNC and the opportunists with no chance looking for visibility... There were way to many candidates, set the stage for needing to be an attention hoar to set yourself apart... People aren't going to sift through 17 people largely the same. there should have been 3-5 primary candidates, tops... Get rid of the fakers before it gets to that stage to choose a candidate