Enlighten me on the logic of the 12 man penalty in replay GB vs. ATL

[Vikes_Fan 8]

So for those that weren't watching the game, Rogers completes a 3rd down pass to Jordy Nelson. Nelson crosses the first down mark, but in attempt to get more yards, gives that back up and ends up being tackled shy of the 1st down marker. GB challenges the spot, which to McCarthy's credit, was a bit short.

 

After review, it was noticed that one of the Falcon's defenders did not make it off the field in time. As such, a call for 12 men on the field was made giving the Packers a 1st down. In the same replay angle, you can see the Falcons head coach calling timeout. As it stands, it didn't change the outcome, as GB lost, but I have to ask... since when could penalties be called during a replay? I always thought that was non-reviewable, and in the same token, how is it that they can call ATL for 12 men on the field (which the refs clearly missed) yet ignore the fact that the ATL coach was calling timeout (which the refs also clearly missed)... Seems like the Packers (as usual) got a nice gift from the officials. Is there some rule here that I missed?

[bandrus1 413]

how do you know he challenged the spot? Thats what the commentators were focused on but maybe he was challenging the 12 man the whole time?

[Vikes_Fan 8]

Can you challenge a non-call? Seems to me you cannot...

[Vikes_Fan 8]

side note, the refs specifically said he was challenging the spot before they went into timeout.

[cavern 70]

i am also interested in this. i was thinking that aspect wouldn't be reviewable.

 

i do not know this, but, on the timeout front, i wonder if it is the responsibility of the coach to GET the attention of the ref in time.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I thought that was non-reviewable as well. Seems like a slippery slope for sure

[bandrus1 413]

it is a non call that is able to be reviewed

[Larry David 20]

For some reason, 12 men on the field is a penalty that can be called upon replay review. I think the logic is that it’s a cut and dry penalty unlike most things like holding or pass interference where there is often a lot nuance involved. Either the 12^th man was on the field or he wasn’t. Also, a team doesn’t have to challenge the 12^th man on the field, it’s just something that the refs will check while checking something else, i.e. the spot.

 

I believe that whether a team called a time out in time is not something that can be reviewed. Is it fair, to check one or two things but ignore the third? Probably, but that’s the NFL for you.

[cavern 70]

maybe the timeout thing is just not reviewable. makes sense. talk about a slippery slope. you could always have people making innocuous TO gestures and only "review" when convenient

For some reason, 12 men on the field is a penalty that can be called upon replay review. I think the logic is that it’s a cut and dry penalty unlike most things like holding or pass interference where there is often a lot nuance involved. Either the 12^th man was on the field or he wasn’t. Also, a team doesn’t have to challenge the 12^th man on the field, it’s just something that the refs will check while checking some else, i.e. the spot.

 

I believe that whether a team called a time out in time is not something that can be reviewed. Is it fair, to check one or two things but ignore the third? Probably, but that’s the NFL for you.

[Larry David 20]

maybe the timeout thing is just not reviewable. makes sense. talk about a slippery slope. you could always have people making innocuous TO gestures and only "review" when convenient

 

That's probably the case, but I think they already go down the slippery slope when they look at the 12th man situation. If it's obvious that an extra player was on the field and it's just as obvious that someone is calling timeout, it seems odd to recognize one fact and ignore the other.

[cavern 70]

i'm surprised the refs didn't call the 12th man. rodgers was clearly staring that guy down when he snapped it

 

That's probably the case, but I think they already go down the slippery slope when they look at the 12th man situation. If it's obvious that an extra player was on the field and it's just as obvious that someone is calling timeout, it seems odd to recognize one fact and ignore the other.

[Vikes_Fan 8]

wow... learned something new. Seems like an idiotic rule... especially since out of bounds line isn't visible in the field... seems odd that one is reviewable, but the other isn't...

[Vikes_Fan 8]

maybe the timeout thing is just not reviewable. makes sense. talk about a slippery slope. you could always have people making innocuous TO gestures and only "review" when convenient

 

Nothing a 15 yard in-sportsman like conduct wouldn't cure.

[Chasers Dawg 9]

wow... learned something new. Seems like an idiotic rule... especially since out of bounds line isn't visible in the field... seems odd that one is reviewable, but the other isn't...

 

We don\t get to see the same angles/views on TV that the refs get to look at

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

Belicheck reviewed a 12 man on the field penalty in the first super bowl against the Giants. Been reviewable for a while.

[n_omarley 11]

Rodgers is all about catching the 12th man on the field. We Packer fans have seen this challenged multiple times now.

 

a coach on the sideline signalling timeout is completely different. Like someone said, you could always make the signal with your hands and challenge it if you didn't like the play.