mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 28, 2017 Alrighty boys... I chatted Bier up about the openings. He's played dynastys before and they sounded much more complicated than ours with idp's, sal caps, contracts? Uhhhh... hahah.. I told him what was up and he said he'd stop bye. Also be mentioned he may be willing to manage a roster for the end of the year, but we have what, one game left for our two guys seperating? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 28, 2017 yeah... interested in the league. happy to fill in until the end of season and decisions need to be made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 28, 2017 If he wants to run a team from now until the end no prob. JuSt have to be are that the two teams will likely be thrown into a 2 man draft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 28, 2017 Which team is Frozenbeernuts team? Ahh.. the Dixoff's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 28, 2017 The no diicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 28, 2017 gary's team is a disaster. frozen's is workable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 28, 2017 gary's team is a disaster. frozen's is workable.It's going to have to be a 2 man draft of both rosters to be fair to the other new owner. Players and picks available to draft If I didn't already like what I've been building I'd volunteer to take an abandoned team. I love drafts like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 28, 2017 i have only been skimming.... do you guys know how the draft will be constructed yet (ie: other 10 teams protect 5 players, etc)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 29, 2017 Were working on the details. Im good with whatever everyone agrees on, if we get the right dudes in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 honestly little to no chance i participate in an "expansion draft" unless we can have some pretty extensive lists of protected players. I took over a team 2 years ago and put a lot of work into rebuilding it and if I can only protect 5-10 players while two new owners get to quickly build a team with ease. #iquit. i know that was only thrown out by edjr but i'm definitely of the mindset that it should be a strict 2 owners draft of the player pool left behind by the two previous owners as well as all their picks. Snake draft. example 1.1 Bier picks Drew Brees 1.2 Owner 2 picks Matt Ryan 2.1 Owner 2 picks highest available rookie draft pick (i dont know what those guys have in terms of picks) 2.2 Bier picks TY Hilton etc etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 oh and just to live up to the white whiner moniker, I don't want any new owner to have to start with a craptastic team like I had but in a way, If i did it, so can they. As it is, they will get the advantage of double the player pool to draft from. Giving them access to other teams rosters is too much. jmho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtraine 24 Posted November 29, 2017 I am strongly opposed to an expansion draft or allowing drafting of players off of existing teams, other than the teams that are being taken over by new owners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 i have originated and participated in longstanding dynasties at the huddle with low turnover (since about 2000). I do not believe that I have seen the level of disregard exhibited by Urine Trouble. I will reserve comment until the league is closer to a decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 i have originated and participated in longstanding dynasties at the huddle with low turnover (since about 2000). I do not believe that I have seen the level of disregard exhibited by Urine Trouble. I will reserve comment until the league is closer to a decision. here is the team I took over just before the 2016 draft. http://www51.myfantasyleague.com/2015/options?L=21114&O=07&F=0011 for reference i got 0 help in the way of an expanson draft from the other 11 owners nor did I have the benefit of a 2nd abandoned teams roster to draft from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 here is the team I took over just before the 2016 draft. http://www51.myfantasyleague.com/2015/options?L=21114&O=07&F=0011 for reference i got 0 help in the way of an expanson draft from the other 11 owners nor did I have the benefit of a 2nd abandoned teams roster to draft from. thank you. did that team yield a 4-5 win season? 4th pick in draft? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 29, 2017 I sorta like that he's a fighter so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 thank you. did that team yield a 4-5 win season? 4th pick in draft? that team that was left for me was coming off a 1 win season and had the benfit of the #1 overall pick as pretty much its only asset anyone was interested in. Took some wheeling and dealing but it's now a competitive team that made the playoffs that year and should be the #4 seed this year (only because we allow the marino division to exist ). I would have much rathered the option of a snake draft among multiple open franchise rosters but I had wanted into this league and there was just the one opening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 I am just gathering information. Not offering an opinion yet, but would like to be able to compete fairly. I know what it is like to build a strong team and then get poached. Also, I did not build the mess that exists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 I am just gathering information. Not offering an opinion yet, but would like to be able to compete fairly. I know what it is like to build a strong team and then get poached. Also, I did not build the mess that exists. understood, however the initially laid out plan, before you joined, was not for you or anyone else to take over team "Urine Trouble" but rather to pool the rosters of the two abandoned teams (Urine and Dixons Dixoffs) and conduct a draft between the two new owners. In the several dynasties plus deep keepers I have been a part of, this has always been much more favorably received than allowing new owners to grab some B level talents with upside from existing owners who have paid and built their teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 29, 2017 here is the team I took over just before the 2016 draft. http://www51.myfantasyleague.com/2015/options?L=21114&O=07&F=0011 for reference i got 0 help in the way of an expanson draft from the other 11 owners nor did I have the benefit of a 2nd abandoned teams roster to draft from. Wow. I forgot how bad that team was. Garys team actually has better top level talent. Luck, Ryan, Hilton, Shepard, Olsen, Doyle....Woodhead and Blount. Where Garys roster really falls apart is there is no depth whatsoever....at all. But I dont think the rebuild is as tough as people think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 Wow. I forgot how bad that team was. Garys team actually has better top level talent. Luck, Ryan, Hilton, Shepard, Olsen, Doyle....Woodhead and Blount. Where Garys roster really falls apart is there is no depth whatsoever....at all. But I dont think the rebuild is as tough as people think. its really not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 29, 2017 Obviously, Gary is retarded, and that team has been poorly managed since 1 AD. Lets find another interested geek, thats cool as fock, and go from there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 Wow. I forgot how bad that team was. Garys team actually has better top level talent. Luck, Ryan, Hilton, Shepard, Olsen, Doyle....Woodhead and Blount. Where Garys roster really falls apart is there is no depth whatsoever....at all. But I dont think the rebuild is as tough as people think. luck- who knows how he comes back ryan- suffering from the loss of shanahan blount- running well, but double digits 4 of 12 weeks...plus ajayi, clement are taking touches hilton- roller coaster with 3 big weeks (could have potential IF luck comes back and IF luck plays well) woodhead- has trouble staying healthy olsen- i like sheppard- maybe some potential doyle- doing fine this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 understood, however the initially laid out plan, before you joined, was not for you or anyone else to take over team "Urine Trouble" but rather to pool the rosters of the two abandoned teams (Urine and Dixons Dixoffs) and conduct a draft between the two new owners. In the several dynasties plus deep keepers I have been a part of, this has always been much more favorably received than allowing new owners to grab some B level talents with upside from existing owners who have paid and built their teams. typically i would agree. i think that Urine changes the scenario. we have 1 team that has some potential and another that is a waste bin. you would be dividing the mediocre team into two bad teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 29, 2017 typically i would agree. i think that Urine changes the scenario. we have 1 team that has some potential and another that is a waste bin. you would be dividing the mediocre team into two bad teams. A 2 team draft with players available like: QB: Goff, Luck, Brees, Ryan RB: McKinnon, Cohen, Burkhead, Ware, Blount, Woodhead WR: Thielen, Hilton, Shepard, Lee, Baldwin, Cupp TE: Olsen, Doyle Im not arguing that any team here is competing for a title in the first 2 years, but there are a handful of potential blue chip young guys there. Then older guys like Brees, Olsen, Blount, and Woodhead can be flipped for youth or draft picks. In short, if a dynasty team was stacked, it probably wouldnt be in need of a new owner....an incentive being discussed is reduced or free entry for a season or two, and the chance to build a team and compete against the great organization in the history of the DNDL, which just so happens to be the most prolific fantasy sports league in the United States of America and possibly beyond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 typically i would agree. i think that Urine changes the scenario. we have 1 team that has some potential and another that is a waste bin. you would be dividing the mediocre team into two bad teams. meh. won't see any sympathy from me on that front. As Falcon noted, a case can easily be made that team Urine has more to work with than I had 2 years ago. I could easily map out what I would do to rebuild that team into a 2018 playoff contender... but thats just me. then again I've joined 3 or 4 dynasties that had abandoned teams and none of them ever entertained the idea of a "expansion draft" so maybe i'm just not used to it. but with the dynasty spirit in mind of building a franchise, I highly doubt i'd stick around for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 not looking for any sympathy. also not looking to be a patsy. not my first rodeo. you guys complete your process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsybrat 91 Posted November 29, 2017 How the fock do our waiver wires work???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 regardless of next year, do you guys want me to temporarily manage Urine for the rest of this season to see if we can clean that up a little? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 29, 2017 regardless of next year, do you guys want me to temporarily manage Urine for the rest of this season to see if we can clean that up a little? This is probably a good idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 29, 2017 I'm more inclined to not give up any of my players as sh!tty as they are to the new/old teams. That being said.. I'd give them my 4th and 5th rounders in the reg rookie fraft next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 not looking for any sympathy. also not looking to be a patsy. not my first rodeo. you guys complete your process. no, i know you are not. you're cool in my book from the PM's we had regarding the IBL. would love to have you in as an owner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 I'm more inclined to not give up any of my players as sh!tty as they are to the new/old teams. it just really doesn't make any logical sense in a dynasty format where the main focus is on building something. You guys have had new owners before and i'm sure they worked with what they were able to take over, ugly as it may have been. Dynasty trading is generally rampant, especially in the offseason and a solid (non gary) owner can turn a team around pretty quickly. i guess im just putting my foot down on the idea of an expansion draft. I highly doubt that ends up being the consensus, as it already sounds like me, yourself, CBF and bigtraine are against it. But if it is, you may need a 3rd owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 no, i know you are not. you're cool in my book from the PM's we had regarding the IBL. would love to have you in as an owner i am not trying to be argumentative. I have owned many teams. some i have built up in keepers and dynasties from the onset. others i have inherited at mixed levels. i completely understand that you all have invested in your teams to mold them to your liking (as much as possible). i am competitive. the two new teams are going to require a decent amount of time with 300 players off of the board. Urine has 5 players in the top 100, and dixon has 8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 29, 2017 But if it is, you may need a 3rd owner. That's the ol DNDL spirit... you catch on quick! ~stick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted November 29, 2017 i am not trying to be argumentative. I have owned many teams. some i have built up in keepers and dynasties from the onset. others i have inherited at mixed levels. i completely understand that you all have invested in your teams to mold them to your liking (as much as possible). i am competitive. the two new teams are going to require a decent amount of time with 300 players off of the board. Urine has 5 players in the top 100, and dixon has 8. I only have 9.. barely (2 are rookies) haah 2 others are my defense and kicker Kat Fancy only has 6 Padrino 7 Peaces 7 Professor 6 It's not like we're all stacked either bro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 29, 2017 Lets just give WWs team to Bier. Then WW can build a new team. Problem solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 29, 2017 i am not trying to be argumentative. I have owned many teams. some i have built up in keepers and dynasties from the onset. others i have inherited at mixed levels. i completely understand that you all have invested in your teams to mold them to your liking (as much as possible). i am competitive. the two new teams are going to require a decent amount of time with 300 players off of the board. Urine has 5 players in the top 100, and dixon has 8. Would it make you feel any better to know FBN traded McCoy for McKinnon, to give the new owner a building block? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted November 29, 2017 Would it make you feel any better to know FBN traded McCoy for McKinnon, to give the new owner a building block? whyyyyyyyy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,514 Posted November 29, 2017 Would it make you feel any better to know FBN traded McCoy for McKinnon, to give the new owner a building block? ouch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites