Mike FF Today 608 Posted March 29, 2019 We're kicking off Doug Orth's NFL Draft Profiles with a look at the potential No.1 overall pick. QB Kyler Murray - 3/28/19 RB Josh Jacobs - 4/2/19 WR N'Keal Harry - 4/5/19 WR D.K. Metcalf - 4/9/19 TE T.J. Hockenson - 4/12/19 RB David Montgomery - 4/15/19 WR Marquise Brown - 4/17/19 RB Damien Harris - 4/20/19 WR A.J. Brown - 4/22/19 WR Hakeem Butler - 4/23/19 RB Miles Sanders - 4/24/19 TE Noah Fant - 4/25/19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted April 1, 2019 the plot thickens http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001024884/article/raiders-holding-private-workout-with-kyler-murra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 2, 2019 Alabama RB Josh Jacobs is posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted April 2, 2019 On 4/1/2019 at 10:16 AM, Ray_T said: the plot thickens http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001024884/article/raiders-holding-private-workout-with-kyler-murra This is a case of Mike Mayock doing his due diligence. Lots of mixed signals coming out from Raiders HQ, but Mayock is a BPA over needs guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted April 2, 2019 possibly. But I also read somewhere that some insiders feel this was done strategically. The theory is that if AZ thinks they can trade down, they can only trade down so far if they think they still might get their man. Also if Oakland actually wants a Defensive player, this makes teams think they have to trade into the top 3 to keep others from trading up and sitting below Oaklands slot. Basically if someone trades up for a QB Oakland is wanting them to trade into the top 3 so that the raiders get a better defensive player. Not into spot 6 which does not benefit them. If this is true, I'd expect the Raiders to meet with one or two of the other top QB's on the board and show some interest there as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted April 2, 2019 and I'm sorry I have no link for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 9, 2019 WRs N'Keal Harry and D.K. Metcalf are up for review. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcgangstas 41 Posted April 10, 2019 On 4/9/2019 at 10:52 AM, Mike FF Today said: WRs N'Keal Harry and D.K. Metcalf are up for review. Nice writeups, MIke and Doug. I"m a bit skeptical of Metcalf. Great size and linear speed, but his limited route tree and lack of agility are concerns. He seems like the 2nd coming of Dorial Green-Beckham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, dcgangstas said: Nice writeups, MIke and Doug. I"m a bit skeptical of Metcalf. Great size and linear speed, but his limited route tree and lack of agility are concerns. He seems like the 2nd coming of Dorial Green-Beckham. I have doubts on Metcalf as well. And I dont mind the comparison on field. But DGB had some character issues. He has gotten in trouble with weed and booze several times in the last handful of years and never seemed to mature. That may have gotten in his way as much as a lack of ability to play WR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted April 10, 2019 I feel like you have to be crazy to draft a guy with Metcalf's red flags in the first 15 picks or so, but some GM will find a dude who looks like a superhero and runs faster than DB's irresistible... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: I have doubts on Metcalf as well. And I dont mind the comparison on field. But DGB had some character issues. He has gotten in trouble with weed and booze several times in the last handful of years and never seemed to mature. That may have gotten in his way as much as a lack of ability to play WR. Funny you mentioned DGB. I did have him listed as a low-end comp at one time, but I ultimately decided against him in part b/c he's nowhere as strong (27 bench reps to 13 for DGB) or explosive (11+ feet broad vs. sub-10 for DGB). Either way, one of the reasons I like doing these profiles is b/c they force me to challenge the rankings of all the draft analysts. It appears most of them believe Harry or Metcalf are No. 1, but I sure don't see it that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 11, 2019 11 hours ago, The Football Guru said: Funny you mentioned DGB. I did have him listed as a low-end comp at one time, but I ultimately decided against him in part b/c he's nowhere as strong (27 bench reps to 13 for DGB) or explosive (11+ feet broad vs. sub-10 for DGB). Either way, one of the reasons I like doing these profiles is b/c they force me to challenge the rankings of all the draft analysts. It appears most of them believe Harry or Metcalf are No. 1, but I sure don't see it that way. Ive seen a few have Butler 1st. I personally like AJ Brown even if his upside isnt as high as a few others. I think he is the safest WR in the draft and a handful in the slot. Not sure who to compare him to. A thicker Jarvis Landry. Always interesting to see where the WRs go. Some years they rise and reached some they totally fall as a group. It isnt a real strong class but it is solid with a lot of different types of players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted April 11, 2019 11 hours ago, The Football Guru said: Funny you mentioned DGB. I did have him listed as a low-end comp at one time, but I ultimately decided against him in part b/c he's nowhere as strong (27 bench reps to 13 for DGB) or explosive (11+ feet broad vs. sub-10 for DGB). Either way, one of the reasons I like doing these profiles is b/c they force me to challenge the rankings of all the draft analysts. It appears most of them believe Harry or Metcalf are No. 1, but I sure don't see it that way. based on how the scouting reports read, I'd be inclined to say Metcalf is likely a low end first rounder or high end second rounder. (most likely the latter) but I have found that players with a high ceiling like him tend to be drafted sooner than they should be. so based on that rationale, he will probably go in the middle of round 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted April 11, 2019 58 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Ive seen a few have Butler 1st. I personally like AJ Brown even if his upside isnt as high as a few others. I think he is the safest WR in the draft and a handful in the slot. Not sure who to compare him to. A thicker Jarvis Landry. Always interesting to see where the WRs go. Some years they rise and reached some they totally fall as a group. It isnt a real strong class but it is solid with a lot of different types of players. Brown reminds me a little of Anquan Boldin. Similar body type, good hands and that quality of being a gamer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted April 11, 2019 4 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: Ive seen a few have Butler 1st. I personally like AJ Brown even if his upside isnt as high as a few others. I think he is the safest WR in the draft and a handful in the slot. Not sure who to compare him to. A thicker Jarvis Landry. Always interesting to see where the WRs go. Some years they rise and reached some they totally fall as a group. It isnt a real strong class but it is solid with a lot of different types of players. 3 hours ago, jrokh said: Brown reminds me a little of Anquan Boldin. Similar body type, good hands and that quality of being a gamer. You guys nailed it on the head, IMO. Just got done evaluating Brown, I strongly considered Jarvis Landry as a comp before settling on Boldin. And most definitely, I see a lot of WR2 and WR3 types so far in this class and none of the "alpha" WR1s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 12, 2019 One of Doug's favorites... TE T.J. Hockenson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 15, 2019 Up next RB David Montgomery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 16, 2019 Packers need a TE. I just dont know the value with TE at 12. 30th I would be fine with but who knows if any of the top 3 guys would last that long. Really like Hockenson but he would have to be taken at 12, if he is even there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted April 17, 2019 5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: Packers need a TE. I just dont know the value with TE at 12. 30th I would be fine with but who knows if any of the top 3 guys would last that long. Really like Hockenson but he would have to be taken at 12, if he is even there. Would not surprise me if the Pack passes at the position, although I do agree with you. Word has it that GB likes what it has in Robert Tonyan. With that said, I don't know how the Pack could pass on Hock if he's there at 12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 17, 2019 11 hours ago, The Football Guru said: Would not surprise me if the Pack passes at the position, although I do agree with you. Word has it that GB likes what it has in Robert Tonyan. With that said, I don't know how the Pack could pass on Hock if he's there at 12. That would be quite the assumption that Tonyan is the future. He has raw skills. Even in a down year with injuries he hardly saw the field. Made a nice TD catch I remember. Had a nixe preseason. I hope they arent just banking on him and I highly doubt it. Lafleur loves TEs. Likes to use 2 TE sets. Jimmy was terrible and slow last year. That made it 2 years in a row they brought in an old, huge, slow TE that amounted to not much. Jimmy is gone after next year. TE takes some time to develop. TE is waaaaay more of a need than WR. And I think Packers feel the same. If they like a specidic WR i wouldnt be surprised if they took him at 30. But I dont think they are pressed for a WR. They already have youth size and some speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 17, 2019 I dont even know of Tonyan can block. Jimmy cant. It is no wonder they resigned Lewis who is basically another tackle. And like 49 years old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 17, 2019 I know you are doing the fantasy-dynasty studs. But Jace Sternberger would be a nice one to do. 2nd rounder. Sort of forgotten because of the top 3. Pretty natural pass catcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 17, 2019 Up next, WR Marquise Brown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said: I know you are doing the fantasy-dynasty studs. But Jace Sternberger would be a nice one to do. 2nd rounder. Sort of forgotten because of the top 3. Pretty natural pass catcher. I'll be doing a write-up on him (not a profile) before the draft. I know I like what I have seen from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 17, 2019 If GB goes WR with one of their first 3 picks then Hollywood I think would be that guy. They have other bases at WR covered a couple times over. They are lacking and have seemingly alwayd lacked a real weapon who scares opposing DCs. Brown would be that guy, where as the bigger WRs in this class would be another version of Allison, Adams, MVS, or ESB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted April 18, 2019 5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: If GB goes WR with one of their first 3 picks then Hollywood I think would be that guy. They have other bases at WR covered a couple times over. They are lacking and have seemingly alwayd lacked a real weapon who scares opposing DCs. Brown would be that guy, where as the bigger WRs in this class would be another version of Allison, Adams, MVS, or ESB. I want to like Brown more than I do, but I really don't know how that guy is going to stay healthy for a full season. If he lands on GB, however, I'm sure he will be no lower than 1.03 on my rookie draft board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,544 Posted April 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Football Guru said: I want to like Brown more than I do, but I really don't know how that guy is going to stay healthy for a full season. If he lands on GB, however, I'm sure he will be no lower than 1.03 on my rookie draft board. It is a roll of the dice for sure. I think bad hammys for speed WRs is worse than a small frame in todays game. Desean Jackson has stayed fairly healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 20, 2019 The "other" Alabama RB - Damien Harris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 22, 2019 WR A.J. Brown under the microscope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 23, 2019 Back to back WRs. - Hakeem Butler from Iowa State. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 24, 2019 Up next RB Miles Sanders with TE Noah Fant on deck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted April 24, 2019 Great stuff this year guru! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, ralphster said: Great stuff this year guru! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 25, 2019 Iowa's other TE - Noah Fant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted April 25, 2019 New piece here where Doug ranks the top rookie QBs, RBs, WRs and TEs. It includes writeups on Dwyane Haskins, Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, Justin Hill, Devine Ozigbo, Deebo Samuel, Andy Isabella and more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites