This is where fantasy sports and sports cards meet

[vuduchile 1,945]

https://www.starstock.com/marketplace

I've been saying there's a strong correlation between fantasy sports and sports cards.  This new biz venture aims to capitalize on it.  

Investing in a player for daily or yearly FF games can be fun but it rarely yields anything tangible long term.  You can draft Joe Burrow, and he might do really well, but you could still end up in last place if you don't have good luck with the rest of your team.  Your lose your entry fee and have to wait for the next day or the next season to try it all again.  

Alternately, you could buy Burrow rookie cards and reap the financial benefits when he does well.  Obviously, the reverse is also true.  If he busts out, your cards will plummet.  

This platform is superior to ebay for card transactions because it eliminates all the bottom feeder bullsh!t that takes place there.  Their fees are only 5% vs. ebay's 10%, and you don't have to bother with shipping and receiving the physical cards until you want to.  You don't have to take pics or enter the cards into ebay.  If you've ever done this, you know it can be tedious when you're dealing with lots of cards.  My sons have been listing about 20-30 cards a day for the last  2 months and we still have thousands to go.  

I'm going to try it out as both a buyer and seller for the next month.   And assuming basketball starts again, I'll send them a bunch of NBA rookies and see what happens.  

 

 

[taco breath 424]

cool story

[easilyscan 936]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

A couple questions. I did a search for Randy Moss & nothing showed up. So only players that are still active are traded there ?

You mentioned you don't have to bother shipping and receiving the physical cards until you want to. If they provide the scan, don't you have to ship it to them before selling ?

 

A couple months ago, I sold an ungraded 1998 Randy moss Encore milestone card for $600.00 on eBay.

I sent it insured with signature confirmation required. A full 16 days after the buyer accepted it, he informed eBay that I misrepresented the card and that he wanted a refund.

Since eBay heavily favors buyers over sellers, I had no choice but to refund his money. Is this site the same way ?

 

An unrelated question: I joined eBay in 2002 and bought a God awful amount of Randy Moss cards. I bought packs of football cards every chance I got up until 2001, then stopped.

What happened with Panini ? When I'm looking at cards later then when I quit buying in 2001, it seems like Panini absolutely took over the market.

How & when did that come about ?

 

One other thing. Back when I was buying up Moss cards on eBay, many of which were graded by PSA & Beckett, Beckett seemed to be the gold standard of grading.

From what I see on eBay now, PSA graded cards seem to command a premium over Beckett ?

 

Was there some controversy related to Beckett grading ?

Thanks in advance

 

[TimHauck 2,922]

How is this at all similar to fantasy sports?  Just looks like a fancy site for buying/selling/trading cards

[nospk 230]

2 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

A couple questions. I did a search for Randy Moss & nothing showed up. So only players that are still active are traded there ?

You mentioned you don't have to bother shipping and receiving the physical cards until you want to. If they provide the scan, don't you have to ship it to them before selling ?

 

A couple months ago, I sold an ungraded 1998 Randy moss Encore milestone card for $600.00 on eBay.

I sent it insured with signature confirmation required. A full 16 days after the buyer accepted it, he informed eBay that I misrepresented the card and that he wanted a refund.

Since eBay heavily favors buyers over sellers, I had no choice but to refund his money. Is this site the same way ?

 

An unrelated question: I joined eBay in 2002 and bought a God awful amount of Randy Moss cards. I bought packs of football cards every chance I got up until 2001, then stopped.

What happened with Panini ? When I'm looking at cards later then when I quit buying in 2001, it seems like Panini absolutely took over the market.

How & when did that come about ?

 

One other thing. Back when I was buying up Moss cards on eBay, many of which were graded by PSA & Beckett, Beckett seemed to be the gold standard of grading.

From what I see on eBay now, PSA graded cards seem to command a premium over Beckett ?

 

Was there some controversy related to Beckett grading ?

Thanks in advance

 

Site says is trading current players only

[easilyscan 936]

12 minutes ago, nospk said:

Site says is trading current players only

That explains it. Thanks

[vuduchile 1,945]

4 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

A couple questions. I did a search for Randy Moss & nothing showed up. So only players that are still active are traded there ?

You mentioned you don't have to bother shipping and receiving the physical cards until you want to. If they provide the scan, don't you have to ship it to them before selling ?

 

A couple months ago, I sold an ungraded 1998 Randy moss Encore milestone card for $600.00 on eBay.

I sent it insured with signature confirmation required. A full 16 days after the buyer accepted it, he informed eBay that I misrepresented the card and that he wanted a refund.

Since eBay heavily favors buyers over sellers, I had no choice but to refund his money. Is this site the same way ?

 

An unrelated question: I joined eBay in 2002 and bought a God awful amount of Randy Moss cards. I bought packs of football cards every chance I got up until 2001, then stopped.

What happened with Panini ? When I'm looking at cards later then when I quit buying in 2001, it seems like Panini absolutely took over the market.

How & when did that come about ?

 

One other thing. Back when I was buying up Moss cards on eBay, many of which were graded by PSA & Beckett, Beckett seemed to be the gold standard of grading.

From what I see on eBay now, PSA graded cards seem to command a premium over Beckett ?

 

Was there some controversy related to Beckett grading ?

Thanks in advance

 

That’s a lot of questions.   Since this original post, I found a better alternative called myslabs.  1% commission, buyers and sellers are vetted, and they don’t allow any of the buyer’s remorse crap that goes on at eBay.  
 

PSA brings max value.  They’re both really backed up right now, but Beckett’s customer service really sucks.   PSA’s parent company is being bought out and taken private at $75/share.  This news came out out on Monday.  
 

Panini has exclusive license with NFL and NBA.   Topps has MLB.   Panini makes baseball cards that don’t feature team logos through and agreement with the NFLPA

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

How is this at all similar to fantasy sports?  Just looks like a fancy site for buying/selling/trading cards

Buying cards is actually better than FF by a mile.  The card market has undergone a major shakeup in the last few years, so unless you’ve been active during that time, it’s hard for most people to understand just how lucrative it can be and how fast it moves.  
 

It’s literally one of the hottest alternative investments in the world right now and it doesn’t look to be slowing anytime soon  

I spoke about this at length during an interview for a podcast on Saturday, but basically;

With today’s card market, buying a rookie card will yield a much higher ROI than drafting/buying that player for a fantasy league  

In fact, buying a player’s rookie card is the best way to profit from his success IMO.  Most people will never be a pro scout, an agent, a coach or sports talk radio host.  But if you believe in a player, you can put your money where your mouth is and “invest” in his cards.   And just like in fantasy, you can still follow the player(s) and root for their success.  The difference is, that win or lose, a card Is still a tangible, liquid asset.   
 

Sure, you can bet the game,  make a prop bet or draft a player for a daily fantasy game.  But long term odds for those bets aren’t great. 

Conversely, you could have loaded up on Josh Rosen rookie cards and now have a bunch of low value cardboard. So buying cards is not completely without risk.  
 

If you want to see for yourself, go to eBay SOLD listings and search for Mahomes, Wilson, or Murray rookie Prizm PSA 10 cards.  Once you see the current prices, keep in mind that these cards could have been bought for less than $25 when they first hit the market.  
 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, vuduchile said:

That’s a lot of questions. Panini has exclusive license with NFL and NBA.   

It was a lot of questions, thanks for answering them. Panini having exclusive license with the NFL is still hard for me to understand. 

I found this, which explains a lot to me:

What to Expect

2020 marks the fifth year of Panini’s exclusive deal with the NFL and NFLPA. They also continue to hold the lone trading card rights to virtually every major college in the country. This means they’re the only company that can make cards with NFL logos and trademarks. It’s the same with the schools they have deals with.

Other companies, like Leaf and SAGE, continue with their draft-focused releases. These may not have logos, but they are generally known for having lots of autographs.

Wow things have changed: To be totally honest, this sounds like BS to me. Why would you only want one card company with the rights to make cards with NFL logos & trademarks ?

What happened to all the other card companies that were around back in the late 90s ?

Topps (bowman-stadium club) fleer - skybox - upper deck (sp- victory) Pacific, etc

 

 

[Kopy 572]

God I miss simpler times. Technology and progression just f0cks sh1t up.

Alas, I'm a grumpy dinosaur.

Good luck vuduchile. Hope you thrive. 

 

 

[vuduchile 1,945]

45 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

It was a lot of questions, thanks for answering them. Panini having exclusive license with the NFL is still hard for me to understand. 

I found this, which explains a lot to me:

What to Expect

2020 marks the fifth year of Panini’s exclusive deal with the NFL and NFLPA. They also continue to hold the lone trading card rights to virtually every major college in the country. This means they’re the only company that can make cards with NFL logos and trademarks. It’s the same with the schools they have deals with.

Other companies, like Leaf and SAGE, continue with their draft-focused releases. These may not have logos, but they are generally known for having lots of autographs.

Wow things have changed: To be totally honest, this sounds like BS to me. Why would you only want one card company with the rights to make cards with NFL logos & trademarks ?

What happened to all the other card companies that were around back in the late 90s ?

Topps (bowman-stadium club) fleer - skybox - upper deck (sp- victory) Pacific, etc

 

 

The card market collapsed in the 90’s because there were too many card makers over-printing cards with 100’s of distribution channels.  The market was and still is literally saturated with junk wax era (‘83-‘97)product.  You could buy cards at gas stations and strip joints back then.  
 

In today’s world, card makers sell to hobby shops like mine, or to Walmart, Target, Meijer and recently BJ’s.   They also have some limited online releases.    
 

They built scarcity into the products by inserting serial #’d, autographed or relic cards into packs and boxes.  They’re also very careful not to overproduce and create junk wax era 2.0.  We’re about 2 miles for a huge casino, and we sell tons of packs and boxes to guys who are looking to gamble on a big hit.  
 

What we get now from Panini is a dozen or more different product releases for each sport every year.   For basketball, it’s Hoops, Select, Donruss, Optic, Prizm, Onsidian and a handful of extremely high end releases such as Immaculate, National Treasures, Flawless etc.  Similar releases for football   

Topps owns Bowman and they use the Bowman line for a lot of prospect cards sets.   Just like Panini, they have a dozen or so releases plus a few online exclusives.

It’s a different world man. But it’s a fine one.  Take some time and do some research.  Then when you’re ready, hop on because this train is really just now leaving the station. 
 

Upper Deck has hockey, golf, Michael Jordan and Lebron James. 

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23 minutes ago, Kopy said:

God I miss simpler times. Technology and progression just f0cks sh1t up.

Alas, I'm a grumpy dinosaur.

Good luck vuduchile. Hope you thrive. 

 

 

If you’re referring to the 80’s-90’s card market as simpler times, I can only tell you that history has not been kind to that era of card collecting.  See my post above.  
 

There’s just a new reality now.  These athletes are taking in untold millions.  Cards are a way for Joe Schmoe to grab a piece of their success.  
 

 

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17 minutes ago, Kopy said:

Good luck vuduchile. Hope you thrive. 

 

I'll 2nd that.

ATTN vuduchile: I mean absolutely no disrespect, & I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but you make it sound as if investing in sports cards is something new.

The platform may be new, but this has been going on since UD released their first baseball set in 1989. I bought a full case of 1990 UD baseball (hoping to find a Reggie Jackson auto)

and a full case of 1991 UD football, hoping to find one of those Vince Lombardi trophy cards. I didn't find either!

I did really well buying Randy moss rookie cards starting in 2002 when I first joined eBay. It was really fun back then. I remember buying a Dan Marino PSA 9 rookie for $100.00 & turning around and selling it for $200.00 the following week. I also remember buying a lot of 2 randy moss Topps finest refractor cards graded PSA 10 for $80.00 I haven't sold either one of them yet, but it looks like they go for around $600.00  - I've also sold a lot of Barry sanders refractor cards from the mid to late 90s. People absolutely love them.

Good luck with your endeavor.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

The card market collapsed in the 90’s because there were too many card makers over-printing cards with 100’s of distribution channels.  The market was and still is literally saturated with junk wax era (‘83-‘97)product.  You could buy cards at gas stations and strip joints back then.  
 

In today’s world, card makers sell to hobby shops like mine, or to Walmart, Target, Meijer and recently BJ’s.   They also have some limited online releases.    
 

They built scarcity into the products by inserting serial #’d, autographed or relic cards into packs and boxes.  They’re also very careful not to overproduce and create junk wax era 2.0.  We’re about 2 miles for a huge casino, and we sell tons of packs and boxes to guys who are looking to gamble on a big hit.  
 

What we get now from Panini is a dozen or more different product releases for each sport every year.   For basketball, it’s Hoops, Select, Donruss, Optic, Prizm, Onsidian and a handful of extremely high end releases such as Immaculate, National Treasures, Flawless etc.  Similar releases for football   

Topps owns Bowman and they use the Bowman line for a lot of prospect cards sets.   Just like Panini, they have a dozen or so releases plus a few online exclusives.

It’s a different world man. But it’s a fine one.  Take some time and do some research.  Then when you’re ready, hop on because this train is really just now leaving the station. 

You're absolutely right on all points. The sentence I highlighted in bold and underlined describes me to a T...LOL

I'm closing in on 59 years old & I gave up casino gambling, but I still love opening packs of cards!

Even though the town I live in is large and thriving (we no longer have a sports card shop) sure wish we did. 

Back in 1989, a friend and I left a strip club & stopped at a card shop right across the street. I bought one pack of 1981 tops and found a Joe Montana rookie!

Great memories!

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20 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

The card market collapsed in the 90’s because there were too many card makers over-printing cards with 100’s of distribution channels.  The market was and still is literally saturated with junk wax era (‘83-‘97)product.  You could buy cards at gas stations and strip joints back then.  
 

In today’s world, card makers sell to hobby shops like mine, or to Walmart, Target, Meijer and recently BJ’s.   They also have some limited online releases.    
 

They built scarcity into the products by inserting serial #’d, autographed or relic cards into packs and boxes.  They’re also very careful not to overproduce and create junk wax era 2.0.  We’re about 2 miles for a huge casino, and we sell tons of packs and boxes to guys who are looking to gamble on a big hit.  
 

What we get now from Panini is a dozen or more different product releases for each sport every year.   For basketball, it’s Hoops, Select, Donruss, Optic, Prizm, Onsidian and a handful of extremely high end releases such as Immaculate, National Treasures, Flawless etc.  Similar releases for football   

Topps owns Bowman and they use the Bowman line for a lot of prospect cards sets.   Just like Panini, they have a dozen or so releases plus a few online exclusives.

It’s a different world man. But it’s a fine one.  Take some time and do some research.  Then when you’re ready, hop on because this train is really just now leaving the station. 
 

Upper Deck has hockey, golf, Michael Jordan and Lebron James. 

So baseball cards from the '80's and 90's still aren't worth anything?  I figured most people would have thrown them away by now.  Still have most of mine in my garage...

But just because cards now may be "rare" doesn't mean they'll have much value in 10 years or so.   Seems like there have been several "rare" things that also had their markets collapse.

And who the heck names a trading card company after a sandwich?

[Gepetto 1,374]

vuduchile,

I was able to get 2 sets of 2019-20 Hoops Premium Stock Pulsars from Target.  They arrived today.  Did you get any?  They look really nice from the pictures I've seen.  Leaving sealed for now as I'm afraid the Zion's and Ja's will be off center like what happened with my one Optic Fanatics set which I ended up buying Ja and Zion graded of those.

[Kopy 572]

Vuduchile this might be a stupid question. But if back in the day. You have Topps, fleer, donruss, score, bowman, u.d. , Ect. Ect. All making sets. What is the difference between now having 1 company. If that 1 company makes 10 different sets between different colored boarders, jerseys, autos. , Ect. Ect. ?

Just the quantity numbers?

 

[Kopy 572]

Also just a curiosity question.

If 1989 Upper Deck is considered the game changer for the industry. Was there a set after that, that was another iconic game changer?

 

[Gepetto 1,374]

1993 Finest Basketball and Baseball

1993 SP Football

1996 Topps Chrome Basketball, Baseball, and Football

1998 SP Authentic Football and Basketball

1998 Contenders Football (most popular Autograph Rookie Cards began)

2001 Bowman Chrome Pujols Autograph RC (first Bowman Chrome Autograph RC)

2012 Prizm Basketball

2016 Optic Basketball

[vuduchile 1,945]

11 hours ago, easilyscan said:

I'll 2nd that.

ATTN vuduchile: I mean absolutely no disrespect, & I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, but you make it sound as if investing in sports cards is something new.

The platform may be new, but this has been going on since UD released their first baseball set in 1989. I bought a full case of 1990 UD baseball (hoping to find a Reggie Jackson auto)

and a full case of 1991 UD football, hoping to find one of those Vince Lombardi trophy cards. I didn't find either!

I did really well buying Randy moss rookie cards starting in 2002 when I first joined eBay. It was really fun back then. I remember buying a Dan Marino PSA 9 rookie for $100.00 & turning around and selling it for $200.00 the following week. I also remember buying a lot of 2 randy moss Topps finest refractor cards graded PSA 10 for $80.00 I haven't sold either one of them yet, but it looks like they go for around $600.00  - I've also sold a lot of Barry sanders refractor cards from the mid to late 90s. People absolutely love them.

Good luck with your endeavor.

 

 

 

It's not new at at all, but the market has gone through various cycles.  The junk wax era virtually killed the card market for about 10 years.  It's back now and on a major upswing that looks to continue. 

Prizm football hobby boxes release tomorrow.  They're going for around $1100.00 retail.  My wholesale on that product is $122.00.  There are breakers and longer term dealers who are getting allocated 20-30 cases of it. There are 12 boxes in a case.  12x30= 360 boxes  360 boxes X $900 = $324,000.00 in gross profit.  And they will all sell out in less than a month.  Now, keep in mind that Prizm is only one of over a dozen football sets Panini put out this year.  And basketball is even crazier.  Prices for basketball are 3X what football goes for. 

If you can find any NFL Prizm boxes at Target or Walmart, BUY THEM ALL and triple your money instantly on ebay.  

Thanks for the well wishes.  We just completed a remodel of the shop and opened to the public during the 1st week of October.  So far, so good. 

 

[vuduchile 1,945]

11 hours ago, easilyscan said:

You're absolutely right on all points. The sentence I highlighted in bold and underlined describes me to a T...LOL

I'm closing in on 59 years old & I gave up casino gambling, but I still love opening packs of cards!

Even though the town I live in is large and thriving (we no longer have a sports card shop) sure wish we did. 

Back in 1989, a friend and I left a strip club & stopped at a card shop right across the street. I bought one pack of 1981 tops and found a Joe Montana rookie!

Great memories!

Nice.  Inherently, I know it's gambling and I tell my kids that.  But somehow, it's a more wholesome form of gambling than straight up sports betting or blackjack.  

[vuduchile 1,945]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So baseball cards from the '80's and 90's still aren't worth anything?  I figured most people would have thrown them away by now.  Still have most of mine in my garage...

But just because cards now may be "rare" doesn't mean they'll have much value in 10 years or so.   Seems like there have been several "rare" things that also had their markets collapse.

And who the heck names a trading card company after a sandwich?

Most baseball cards from that era are worthless, but there are some exceptions.  For example, Griffey Jr. cards that grade a 10 command a premium, but 10's are really hard to come by.  In basketball, certain Jordan cards that grade are 10 worth some cash.  Especially his '86 Fleer. 

As for the rarity issue, you're correct.  Take this Zion Williamson card that sold for $30K last month.  The buyer is betting that Zion will be a generational type player.  But, what if he ends being another Derrick Rose or Grant Hill whose career is plagued by injuries?  This card's value will drop off the face of the earth.  That's the gamble.  By the same token, if Zion hits the court in shape, plays meaningful minutes and puts up 30 and 10 for a few weeks straight, this card might go for $50K.  That's the new reality for high end sports cards.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-National-Treasures-Bronze-Zion-Williamson-ROOKIE-RC-PATCH-AUTO-49-BGS-9-5/353234469013?hash=item523e6a4095:g:kvoAAOSwAS1fg22d

The same thing happens for base rookie cards.  People bought Luka Doncic base prizm rookie cards for $5-$10 bucks back in 2018.  Look at what they're going for now. 

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=luka+doncic+prizm+base+psa+10&_sacat=0

[vuduchile 1,945]

9 hours ago, Gepetto said:

vuduchile,

I was able to get 2 sets of 2019-20 Hoops Premium Stock Pulsars from Target.  They arrived today.  Did you get any?  They look really nice from the pictures I've seen.  Leaving sealed for now as I'm afraid the Zion's and Ja's will be off center like what happened with my one Optic Fanatics set which I ended up buying Ja and Zion graded of those.

Yes. We got a couple and will be selling them sealed.  We also have that product coming in hobby boxes on the 16th.  That's the last release for the 2019-20 draft class.  

[Gepetto 1,374]

1 minute ago, vuduchile said:

Yes. We got a couple and will be selling them sealed.  We also have that product coming in hobby boxes on the 16th.  That's the last release for the 2019-20 draft class.  

I would really like to pick up the Hoops Premium Stock set numbered to 149 when it comes out, it comes with an Autograph /10 and 2 Gold Vinyl 1 of 1s.  Could be out of my price range.  Not sure where that will be sold.  Maybe Panini direct, don't know.

[vuduchile 1,945]

3 hours ago, Kopy said:

Vuduchile this might be a stupid question. But if back in the day. You have Topps, fleer, donruss, score, bowman, u.d. , Ect. Ect. All making sets. What is the difference between now having 1 company. If that 1 company makes 10 different sets between different colored boarders, jerseys, autos. , Ect. Ect. ?

Just the quantity numbers?

 

Yes.  

There's a delicate balance between supply and demand that the card makers must keep. Neither Panini nor Topps publish their print runs, but you can back into some of those numbers by looking at PSA's population reports.  

Interestingly enough, industry experts say there is still more UNOPENED junk wax out there in the wild than there is opened.  And that's after a recent surge in opening junk wax during the pandemic.  Some of those boxes that were going for $7-$10 for years sold for $30-$40 during the first shutdown.  It was wild. 

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8 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Most baseball cards from that era are worthless, but there are some exceptions.  For example, Griffey Jr. cards that grade a 10 command a premium, but 10's are really hard to come by.  In basketball, certain Jordan cards that grade are 10 worth some cash.  Especially his '86 Fleer. 

As for the rarity issue, you're correct.  Take this Zion Williamson card that sold for $30K last month.  The buyer is betting that Zion will be a generational type player.  But, what if he ends being another Derrick Rose or Grant Hill whose career is plagued by injuries?  This card's value will drop off the face of the earth.  That's the gamble.  By the same token, if Zion hits the court in shape, plays meaningful minutes and puts up 30 and 10 for a few weeks straight, this card might go for $50K.  That's the new reality for high end sports cards.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-National-Treasures-Bronze-Zion-Williamson-ROOKIE-RC-PATCH-AUTO-49-BGS-9-5/353234469013?hash=item523e6a4095:g:kvoAAOSwAS1fg22d

The same thing happens for base rookie cards.  People bought Luka Doncic base prizm rookie cards for $5-$10 bucks back in 2018.  Look at what they're going for now. 

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=luka+doncic+prizm+base+psa+10&_sacat=0

I guess my point was isn't it possible all cards from this era are worthless 10 years from now too, regardless of how good guys are?   If you are making profit if off of them now that's great though.

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2 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

I would really like to pick up the Hoops Premium Stock set numbered to 149 when it comes out, it comes with an Autograph /10 and 2 Gold Vinyl 1 of 1s.  Could be out of my price range.  Not sure where that will be sold.  Maybe Panini direct, don't know.

Panini has not mentioned where the premium format will be sold, but these are normally available on Panini's site.

Estimated Release Date: November/December 2020 TBD
Box Set Configuration: 105 cards per box set
Premium Box Set Configuration: 103 cards per box set

[TimHauck 2,922]

14 hours ago, vuduchile said:

Buying cards is actually better than FF by a mile.  The card market has undergone a major shakeup in the last few years, so unless you’ve been active during that time, it’s hard for most people to understand just how lucrative it can be and how fast it moves.  
 

It’s literally one of the hottest alternative investments in the world right now and it doesn’t look to be slowing anytime soon  

I spoke about this at length during an interview for a podcast on Saturday, but basically;

With today’s card market, buying a rookie card will yield a much higher ROI than drafting/buying that player for a fantasy league  

In fact, buying a player’s rookie card is the best way to profit from his success IMO.  Most people will never be a pro scout, an agent, a coach or sports talk radio host.  But if you believe in a player, you can put your money where your mouth is and “invest” in his cards.   And just like in fantasy, you can still follow the player(s) and root for their success.  The difference is, that win or lose, a card Is still a tangible, liquid asset.   
 

Sure, you can bet the game,  make a prop bet or draft a player for a daily fantasy game.  But long term odds for those bets aren’t great. 

Conversely, you could have loaded up on Josh Rosen rookie cards and now have a bunch of low value cardboard. So buying cards is not completely without risk.  
 

If you want to see for yourself, go to eBay SOLD listings and search for Mahomes, Wilson, or Murray rookie Prizm PSA 10 cards.  Once you see the current prices, keep in mind that these cards could have been bought for less than $25 when they first hit the market.  
 

 

 

 

I can see your argument about why it's better than fantasy sports I just don't see how they're really comparable.  Part of the aspect of fantasy sports is that it's a game, against your friends, etc.  This seems more like buying a stock.   

The best combination of fantasy sports and sports cards IMO was MLB showdown.  Great game.   Are those cards worth anything?

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I guess my point was isn't it possible all cards from this era are worthless 10 years from now too, regardless of how good guys are?   If you are making profit if off of them now that's great though.

Anything is possible. But the smart money is on hall of famers or sure fire locks for the hall.  There really aren't that many of those guys actively playing right now.  

MLB - Trout, Puhols, Kershaw, Cabrera, Sherzer, Verlander.   Cano might have been on that list but his image is tarnished now. 

NBA - Lebron, Durant, Curry, Westbrook, Harden.  But out of that group, Westbrook and Harden cards aren't that expensive compared to the others.  No rings.

NFL - Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees.  There are a few exceptions, but QB's are really the only worthwhile NFL cards to own long term. 

[Gepetto 1,374]

More guaranteed HOFers: 

NBA: Kawhi Leonard (Finals MVP twice), Anthony Davis (champion), Giannis (he won MVP twice)

NFL: Frank Gore, Adrian Peterson, Russell Wilson

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I can see your argument about why it's better than fantasy sports I just don't see how they're really comparable.  Part of the aspect of fantasy sports is that it's a game, against your friends, etc.  This seems more like buying a stock.   

The best combination of fantasy sports and sports cards IMO was MLB showdown.  Great game.   Are those cards worth anything?

The connection between the 2 is that the card market now moves like a FF waiver wire.  

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12 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Anything is possible. But the smart money is on hall of famers or sure fire locks for the hall.  There really aren't that many of those guys actively playing right now.  

MLB - Trout, Puhols, Kershaw, Cabrera, Sherzer, Verlander.   Cano might have been on that list but his image is tarnished now. 

NBA - Lebron, Durant, Curry, Westbrook, Harden.  But out of that group, Westbrook and Harden cards aren't that expensive compared to the others.  No rings.

NFL - Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees.  There are a few exceptions, but QB's are really the only worthwhile NFL cards to own long term. 

So was the early 2000's "junk wax" too?   Are rookies of the guys you listed still the best bets?    Pujols for example probably had cards coming out around 2000

[easilyscan 936]

Attention vuduchile: I'd like to buy a box of 2020 football cards. I don't expect you to look at all the pages, but I'm going to make a Walmart order today. (the first page would suffice)

Which, if any of these boxes, would give me the best chance of finding a valuable card ?

Thanks in advance.

https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=football cards

 

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7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So was the early 2000's "junk wax" too?   Are rookies of the guys you listed still the best bets?    Pujols for example probably had cards coming out around 2000

Opinions differ but the junk wax era is generally considered to be 1983-1994.  Pujols rookie cards are going up in value now. 

As an aside, there is a market for junk wax era cards.  It’s just not that lucrative, with a few exceptions. 
 

We sold a guy 40K plus junk wax era cards on Sat for $200.00.  There’s absolutely nothing valuable in that lot but he has a customer base that will pay a nickel for every Jerome Bettis, Drew Bledsoe and Barry Sanders card he can get.  He has other customers that will pay .03 for every Nolan Ryan, Will Clark or Griffey Jr insert.  And so on.  
 

On the flip side, we bought a modern era 3 sport collection form a guy on Monday for $1200.00.  Probably 60K cards.   We’ve only sorted the basketball and about 1/5 of the football and have already found $6K in value.  I tried to show the guy how he could sell it all on eBay and make a bunch of money, but he didn’t wanna deal with it.  I think he was a degenerate gambler who needed money for slots.  

 

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3 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Attention vuduchile: I'd like to buy a box of 2020 football cards. I don't expect you to look at all the pages, but I'm going to make a Walmart order today. (the first page would suffice)

Which, if any of these boxes, would give me the best chance of finding a valuable card ?

Thanks in advance.

https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=football cards

 

As I said, that’s a big gamble.  Those are all retail boxes so the odds of getting an auto or big hit aren’t as good as hobby boxes.  
 

If you don’t have a hobby shop nearby, you could go to Dave and Adams or Blowout Cards websites and get a hobby box of 2020 Donruss, 2020 Phoenix or 2020 Illusions.  Those will be in the $250-$300 range but you’re gonna get 2 autos and 2 relics per box on average.  
 

If you like the mosaic retail blaster boxes, I can sell them to you at $70/box shipped in the lower 48.  

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34 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

As I said, that’s a big gamble.  Those are all retail boxes so the odds of getting an auto or big hit aren’t as good as hobby boxes.  
 

If you don’t have a hobby shop nearby, you could go to Dave and Adams or Blowout Cards websites and get a hobby box of 2020 Donruss, 2020 Phoenix or 2020 Illusions.  Those will be in the $250-$300 range but you’re gonna get 2 autos and 2 relics per box on average.  
 

If you like the mosaic retail blaster boxes, I can sell them to you at $70/box shipped in the lower 48.  

Thanks

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Say for example. You have 3 Ricky Henderson (Pick any great guy. Reggie Jackson) rookie cards. Good condition. You put them in penny holders, then a hard plastic holder. Put it in a box, then in a closet. And they've been there untouched for the last 30 to 40 years. 

I would assume outside of someone our own age (say 40 to 60 ish type person). No one even cares. And if they did. They should know they can get the card for "under book value" with patience and do diligence.

And does a kid even care about something like that. With all the new, cool, limited edition, inserts, autograph type stuff the industry has turned into.

Are they basically worthless?

 

[Gepetto 1,374]

Rickey Henderson and Reggie Jackson and any HOF RC is valuable and desirable.  Kids don't collect much, it's adults with money who can now afford the cards they want, $1,000 and $10,000s worth of cards.

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12 hours ago, Kopy said:

Say for example. You have 3 Ricky Henderson (Pick any great guy. Reggie Jackson) rookie cards. Good condition. You put them in penny holders, then a hard plastic holder. Put it in a box, then in a closet. And they've been there untouched for the last 30 to 40 years. 

I would assume outside of someone our own age (say 40 to 60 ish type person). No one even cares. And if they did. They should know they can get the card for "under book value" with patience and do diligence.

And does a kid even care about something like that. With all the new, cool, limited edition, inserts, autograph type stuff the industry has turned into.

Are they basically worthless?

 

Go to eBay.   Type in Topps Rickey Henderson rookie psa 10

Click sold listings then post the eBay link  here. 
 

You will be amazed. 

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8 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Rickey Henderson and Reggie Jackson and any HOF RC is valuable and desirable.  Kids don't collect much, it's adults with money who can now afford the cards they want, $1,000 and $10,000s worth of cards.

This is mostly correct.  High end cards is not a kid’s hobby anymore.  It’s big business.  
 

My kids and their friends do collect though.   My kids also run the biz with me and they love it