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[weepaws 3,178]

I like Henderson because of the team he’s on more so then his talent. B

But a fourth round pick for Henderson is still to high, if Jones can produce, I think Henderson would be first up, but he’s not going to be the Rams bell cow every game once Jones starts to fit into the system, I don’t think Henderson can’handle the load, I see a limited RBBC, with Henderson as the clear leader on a high octane offense,I would still feel much  more comfortable taking him 6-7th round, I they still  will pick up the likes of Peterson , no need to show your cards in late July , besides the new mandemic is now upon us, so look for the closing down of are streets to take place very soon. M 

 

[AxeElf 787]

2 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Do I have to continuously repeat myself?

Not if you were a faster learner.

[AxeElf 787]

3 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Dolphins brought in Malcolm Brown who I believe to be worse than Henderson so I doubt him or Ahmed would significantly cut into Gaskin's playing time. It's more of an insurance policy if Gaskin were to miss time again.

Oh, and Brown won't cut into Gaskin's playing TIME much, but he will take 7 or 8 TDs away from Gaskin, the same way they used Jordan Howard last year.

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1 minute ago, AxeElf said:

Not if you were a faster learner.

Not if YOU were a faster learner. Da fuq.

You asked why. Henderson is not that good.

[weepaws 3,178]

5 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Do I have to continuously repeat myself?

IMO Henderson is an average NFL RB at best. He has decent vision, decent burst, but he lacks size and strength, elusiveness, and breakaway speed to be a real threat. He's also what some would consider a "smaller" RB at 5'8" and 208. I have serious doubts about him being a bellcow AND the goal line guy at any point this season. Gaskin has a better chance to be a bellcow evidenced by last year Henderson had 1 game with over 15 carries. Gaskin had 5. Gaskin averaged more receptions per game too. Dolphins brought in Malcolm Brown who I believe to be worse than Henderson so I doubt him or Ahmed would significantly cut into Gaskin's playing time. It's more of an insurance policy if Gaskin were to miss time again.

Mm I think M Brown will be their short yardage guy , and see a lot of goal line work. I’ve re ranked Gaskin because of Brown.  

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3 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Oh, and Brown won't cut into Gaskin's playing TIME much, but he will take 7 or 8 TDs away from Gaskin, the same way they used Jordan Howard last year.

That's bold considering Howard was god awful for the Dolphins and they waived him after only appearing in 5 games and being a healthy scratch for the other 4.

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5 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Mm I think M Brown will be their short yardage guy , and see a lot of goal line work. I’ve re ranked Gaskin because of Brown.  

Lol i've told you since last season when I was hyping up Cam Akers.

Malcolm Brown and Darrell Henderson both stink. They're not good. Brown more so than Henderson.

[AxeElf 787]

6 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Not if YOU were a faster learner. Da fuq.

You asked why. Henderson is not that good.

No, I axed why you would prefer a couple of non-TD-scoring committee-based RBs over the bellcow RB in a powerhouse offense.

You said you din't think he was that good.

::: shrug :::

[AxeElf 787]

2 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

That's bold considering Howard was god awful for the Dolphins and they waived him after only appearing in 5 games and being a healthy scratch for the other 4.

But what did he DO in those 5 games?  Scored 4 TDs.

The coaching staff is obviously predisposed to bringing in a goalline specialist to vulture the red zone TDs--this year, that's Brown.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Just now, AxeElf said:

But what did he DO in those 5 games?  Scored 4 TDs.

The coaching staff is obviously predisposed to bringing in a goalline specialist to vulture the red zone TDs--this year, that's Brown.

He was so effective they waived him.

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1 minute ago, LoOnAtIk said:

He was so effective they waived him.

You seem to think that indicates that they won't use Brown at the goalline the way they did Howard.

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4 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

No, I axed why you would prefer a couple of non-TD-scoring committee-based RBs over the bellcow RB in a powerhouse offense.

You said you din't think he was that good.

::: shrug :::

How is Gaskin in a committee? When he was healthy he did not share. 

And based on what do you expect Henderson to be a bellcow AND goal line guy? He's only been in a committee his entire career. Furthermore, how many successful RBs has Stafford produced? You and I know that list is very short. Just because Rams are expected to be a good offense does not directly translate to RB points for whoever is starting. I simply do not think Henderson is good enough to be either a bellcow or the goal line guy. 

Your arguments against Gaskin losing TDs to Brown are sound but I've always been in the opinion that Brown stinks, so I simply think you're wrong. I think he's an insurance policy for if Gaskin gets hurt again. Dolphins made some weird moves last season as well, bringing in Howard and Breida as eventual reserves with minimal impact. 

I think you're wrong about Henderson and Gaskin simultaneously. 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I'm clearly one of the few contrarians on here, but I've been saying Darrell Henderson is not that good since last season. That's why they drafted Akers to begin with. Sure, opportunity is knocking (For now, we still have over a month until regular season starts) but my guess is that it's fool's gold. 

If the Rams are serious about winning, they're not going to be feeding Henderson 20 times a game. He's simply not that good lol.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

24 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

But what did he DO in those 5 games?  Scored 4 TDs.

The coaching staff is obviously predisposed to bringing in a goalline specialist to vulture the red zone TDs--this year, that's Brown.

If the Dolphins were so desperate for a goal line guy, then why was he inactive for half of those games? If he was a healthy scratch then who was soaking up those ever important goal line touches?? That's why your argument about Howard makes no sense. 

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51 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

How is Gaskin in a committee? When he was healthy he did not share.

I explained that.  He's in a committee with the guy who will vulture 7-8 TDs from him--Malcolm Brown.

Gaskin and Howard played in four games together last season.  Gaskin did not score in any of them, while Howard scored in three of them.  Gaskin scored in 4 of the 6 games he played without Howard.  Interpret that as you like, but those are the facts.

[AxeElf 787]

55 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

And based on what do you expect Henderson to be a bellcow AND goal line guy? 

Based on the lack of any credible competition.

56 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Furthermore, how many successful RBs has Stafford produced?

If Stafford were the head coach or offensive coordinator, I might be worried, but the current Rams offense has done pretty well for RBs--and Stafford was going to be Akers' QB too, wasn't he?  Akers was like the RB10...  WITH Stafford.

58 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Just because Rams are expected to be a good offense does not directly translate to RB points for whoever is starting.

Yes, that is how that works.  More opportunities to score = more fantasy points.

53 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

If the Rams are serious about winning, they're not going to be feeding Henderson 20 times a game.

Yeah, that's not what I meant by "bellcow."  I meant the guy who gets the lion's share of the carries, even if it's only 14 per game.  As long as that includes 2 or 3 goalline dunks, I'll be a Happy Henderson owner.

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10 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

I explained that.  He's in a committee with the guy who will vulture 7-8 TDs from him--Malcolm Brown.

Gaskin and Howard played in four games together last season.  Gaskin did not score in any of them, while Howard scored in three of them.  Gaskin scored in 4 of the 6 games he played without Howard.  Interpret that as you like, but those are the facts.

All of Gaskin's 3 rushing TD's last season were from 1 yard out.

Interpret that as you like, but those are also facts.

[weepaws 3,178]

2 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Lol i've told you since last season when I was hyping up Cam Akers.

Malcolm Brown and Darrell Henderson both stink. They're not good. Brown more so than Henderson.

Didn’t say Brown was good, he’ll be good enough with his size to be the Dolphins short yardage guy. 

 

[AxeElf 787]

49 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

All of Gaskin's 3 rushing TD's last season were from 1 yard out....

...in games where Howard was not available.

 

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6 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

...in games where Howard was not available.

 

Howard was available, he was a healthy scratch.

[weepaws 3,178]

2 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

If the Dolphins were so desperate for a goal line guy, then why was he inactive for half of those games? If he was a healthy scratch then who was soaking up those ever important goal line touches?? That's why your argument about Howard makes no sense. 

You said the reason why the Rams drafted Akers was because they didn’t like what they had with Henderson and M Brown, so then why did the Dolphins not draft a rb , I say because they like Gaskin as their rb 1, then why did they sign the bigger M Brown, i know it’s to run short yardage and goal line work. 

As for Henderson and the Rams, I expect to see them sign one soon.  

 

[AxeElf 787]

48 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Howard was available, he was a healthy scratch.

Typically, when someone is a "healthy scratch," it means they are unavailable for running balls into the end zone and whatnot.  Do you have any information to the contrary?

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2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

You said the reason why the Rams drafted Akers was because they didn’t like what they had with Henderson and M Brown, so then why did the Dolphins not draft a rb , I say because they like Gaskin as their rb 1, then why did they sign the bigger M Brown, i know it’s to run short yardage and goal line work. 

As for Henderson and the Rams, I expect to see them sign one soon.  

 

As I mentioned before, I speculate he's just an insurance policy if Gaskin gets hurt. Why is that so crazy? Why are we assuming Brown is guaranteed the short yardage role? He's not.  

[LoOnAtIk 75]

3 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Typically, when someone is a "healthy scratch," it means they are unavailable for running balls into the end zone and whatnot.  Do you have any information to the contrary?

Now you're just playing semantics.

He WAS available. The coaching staff determined he was not needed.

That is a stark difference from being hurt. If they wanted/needed a short yardage guy, he would have been active.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Malcolm Brown was active for all 16 games last year and yet Henderson finished with more goal line carries than Brown. Both the notion that Henderson will be a bellcow and that Brown will vulture TDs from Gaskin is dumb and unfounded. You're just assuming out your a$$ based on nothing. Henderson has never been the featured guy and Brown has never been a successful short yardage guy. All of sudden they're both gonna be important for their upcoming teams in real life and possibly have some effect in fantasy?

 

Based off what?? Jordan Howard has been successful before. Malcolm Brown has 12 career TDs in 6 career seasons and you have him vulturing 7-8 this year lmao. You are so far out of your mind.

[weepaws 3,178]

32 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

As I mentioned before, I speculate he's just an insurance policy if Gaskin gets hurt. Why is that so crazy? Why are we assuming Brown is guaranteed the short yardage role? He's not.  

Yes he is. He’ll be the short yardage guy. 

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31 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Yes he is. He’ll be the short yardage guy. 

Says who?

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M. Thomas.  I'll let someone else waste a roster spot on a guy who won't play until October, then be week to week every game after that.  

[AxeElf 787]

9 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Now you're just playing semantics.

He WAS available. The coaching staff determined he was not needed.

That is a stark difference from being hurt. If they wanted/needed a short yardage guy, he would have been active.

I'm sorry about the IQ and the reading comprehension problems you're struggling with here, but you see, the only reason Gaskin scored those 1 yard TDs is because Howard was not playing in those games.  In games where Howard and Gaskin both played, Howard scored the TDs, and Gaskin got bupkis.

Take a moment.  Try to digest what is being conveyed here.  And then, if you determine that you REALLY need to make yourself look like more of a moron than you already do, you may express your lack of understanding in a different way.

And I think we should abandon the discussion on Henderson entirely until you're more intellectually equipped to contribute to it.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

52 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

I'm sorry about the IQ and the reading comprehension problems you're struggling with here, but you see, the only reason Gaskin scored those 1 yard TDs is because Howard was not playing in those games.  In games where Howard and Gaskin both played, Howard scored the TDs, and Gaskin got bupkis.

Take a moment.  Try to digest what is being conveyed here.  And then, if you determine that you REALLY need to make yourself look like more of a moron than you already do, you may express your lack of understanding in a different way.

And I think we should abandon the discussion on Henderson entirely until you're more intellectually equipped to contribute to it.

You have a strange way of looking at the world. You’ve only reinforced my takes with your name calling and belittling. 
 

If the coaching staff made the decision to not play Howard while he was healthy, and Gaskin had seemingly no problem at the goal line afterward, what makes you assume they would revert back to using a goal line specialist? Because they signed a below average backup RB?

You’re being dense and choosing to view your stupid Howard take thru the prism of your own confirmation bias. He wasn’t available because coaching staff chose not to use him. If you ask Jordan Howard and his agent if he was available, they would say he was available.

You’re just too dense and egotistical to admit you might be wrong.

Just because Jordan Howard scored a few short yardage TDs does not mean that the dolphins are rushing to fill that void. 
 

Let me remind you that you think Brown will “vulture 7-8 TDs” even though he’s only scored 12 in his entire career. A career backing up an injured Gurley, and sharing with Henderson and Akers.

 

The notion that Brown has carved out any role other than backup is just guessing. Your Howard take carries no water because Howard was expected to have a much bigger role last season. Gaskin was not the presumed starter.

Gaskin wrestled the job away while Jordan Howard was still diving in the end zone. 
 

You’re arguing with a dolphins fan that watched all of their games last year. Howard was so bad, if they didn’t use him for short yardage situations he would’ve never sniffed the field. The idea that Brown is better than Howard or that the dolphins will exclusive use him as the goal line guy is simply speculative. 

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2 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

You’re arguing with a dolphins fan

Au contraire, mon frer.

Axe Elf never argues; Axe Elf is educating a Dolphins fan.

It's just taking some time...

[LoOnAtIk 75]

12 hours ago, AxeElf said:

Based on the lack of any credible competition.

That can change at any moment.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 minute ago, AxeElf said:

Au contraire, mon frer.

Axe Elf never argues; Axe Elf is educating a Dolphins fan.

It's just taking some time...

You’re gross. I need a shower.

[AxeElf 787]

Just now, LoOnAtIk said:

That can change at any moment.

How?  Is LaDanian Tomlinson coming out of retirement?  There aren't any free agent RB1s out there who could come in and assume starting RB duties over Henderson--Bell?  Peterson?  Gurley?--and the team isn't even concerned with pursuing other options at this time.

Pretty much the only way Henderson stops being the Rams' bellcow RB is if he gets hurt.

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3 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

How?  Is LaDanian Tomlinson coming out of retirement?  There aren't any free agent RB1s out there who could come in and assume starting RB duties over Henderson--Bell?  Peterson?  Gurley?--and the team isn't even concerned with pursuing other options at this time.

Pretty much the only way Henderson stops being the Rams' bellcow RB is if he gets hurt.

Funny because CEH was in this exact same situation and he sort of still is but you seem to hate him. I know you love Jerick McKinnon but he’s no world beater and I doubt he’s vulturing goal line carries from CEH.

 

Believe it or not axe we’re still in July. As with the Leveon signing last season a veteran could be signed midway thru season and completely nuke your darling Henderson’s value.

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1 minute ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Funny because CEH was in this exact same situation and he sort of still is but you seem to hate him. I know you love Jerick McKinnon but he’s no world beater and I doubt he’s vulturing goal line carries from CEH.

No, Darrell Williams is the one vulturing goalline carries from CEH.  McKinnon is the one vulturing passing downs from CEH.

2 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Believe it or not axe we’re still in July. As with the Leveon signing last season a veteran could be signed midway thru season and completely nuke your darling Henderson’s value.

As I just mentioned, there are no veterans out there capable of nuking Henderson's value.  If there is a signing, it WILL be like the Le'Veon signing last year--an insurance move with little fantasy consequence.

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Just now, AxeElf said:

No, Darrell Williams is the one vulturing goalline carries from CEH.  McKinnon is the one vulturing passing downs from CEH.

As I just mentioned, there are no veterans out there capable of nuking Henderson's value.  If there is a signing, it WILL be like the Le'Veon signing last year--an insurance move with little fantasy consequence.

What about the Fournette example? He was waived right before the season started last year and immediately scooped by the Bucs. 
 

We still have preseason followed by a massive amount of roster moves.
 

You make is seem like a roster move is completely out of the realm of possibility. I tell you it’s just as likely as Henderson seeing out the season as the #1 guy for Rams.

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Just now, LoOnAtIk said:

What about the Fournette example? He was waived right before the season started last year and immediately scooped by the Bucs.

If Fournette is waived by the Bucs and signed by the Rams I'll assign the appropriate amount of concern to it--but weren't you just the one badmouthing "speculation" when it came to the RB roles on the Dolphins?

Deal in probabilities, not possibilities.

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7 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

If Fournette is waived by the Bucs and signed by the Rams I'll assign the appropriate amount of concern to it--but weren't you just the one badmouthing "speculation" when it came to the RB roles on the Dolphins?

Deal in probabilities, not possibilities.

I’m not saying it’s going to be Fournette but my point is that RB1s do seemingly fall from the sky. 
 

Perhaps someone like a Marlon Mack that you love so much? 
 

To your point on probabilities I simply don’t think Henderson is good enough to be the guy for the entire season. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the guy on week 1. 
 

If Xavier Jones has a good camp, he’ll be sharing with Xavier Jones.  

[AxeElf 787]

2 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Perhaps someone like a Marlon Mack that you love so much?

I'd be surprised if Mack can return from an Achilles injury to be lead-RB material, but then I'm only saying that because no one else has ever done it.