Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted June 26 NATO secretary general visited the White House during Trumps first term and said that Trump had made NATO stronger. Rusty and Boggerboy missed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted June 26 9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: NATO secretary general visited the White House during Trumps first term and said that Trump had made NATO stronger. Rusty and Boggerboy missed it. Trumps talk about letting Putin invade any NATO country that doesn't pay up made NATO weaker. Trumps talk about the US leaving NATO made it weaker. Thankfully he stopped with that BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Trumps talk about letting Putin invade any NATO country that doesn't pay up made NATO weaker. Trumps talk about the US leaving NATO made it weaker. Thankfully he stopped with that BS. Yeah, like I said, the guy in charge of NATO said Trump made it stronger. Gutterboy says the opposite. Who to believe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 108 Posted June 26 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: I think it has more to do with NATO knowing how to play Trump now. Before they stood up to him, now they know that they can just kiss his ass, bribe him, make him look good and he'll do whatever they want. Netanyahu knows this, the rest of the world is catching on. Whatever it takes to keep him from screwing up our country and the whole world. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted June 26 Yeah, they played him. They have contributed a trillion since he told them to buck up last time. And now they are going to give more. Except Spain. But Trump said he’ll make them pay on trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yeah, they played him. They have contributed a trillion since he told them to buck up last time. And now they are going to give more. Except Spain. But Trump said he’ll make them pay on trade. It's not a contribution. It's defense spending. Europe has increased their defense spending following the Russia invasion of Ukraine and the trump isolationist policies. Trump didn't "make anyone pay". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted June 26 6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: It's not a contribution. It's defense spending. Europe has increased their defense spending following the Russia invasion of Ukraine and the trump isolationist policies. Trump didn't "make anyone pay". Wait, I thought he threatened to pull out of nato if they didn’t pay? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted June 26 7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Wait, I thought he threatened to pull out of nato if they didn’t pay? Not sure if you can read a graph but you can see here out the graph goes up following the Russia invasion. https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Not sure if you can read a graph but you can see here out the graph goes up following the Russia invasion. https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdf Interesting graph. Shows it went up when Trump was President. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 Trump lifted sanctions on Russian banks to build power plants in Hungary. They will use that money to fund the war against Ukraine. Trump has issued no other new sanctions as the Biden sanctions erode away. He's also been lifting other sanctions against oligarchs in the construction industry, a likely kickback. Trump has exempted Russia from all tariffs. Trump has also recently paused missle and ammo shipment to Ukraine. Meanwhile the Russian aggression has ramped up in recent weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted July 2 Gutterboy didn’t care that Biden excluded many Russian oligarchs from sanctions. Like the ones that gave Hunter millions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Gutterboy didn’t care that Biden excluded many Russian oligarchs from sanctions. Like the ones that gave Hunter millions. Russian oligarchs did not give Hunter Biden millions. You're a fake news sponge, a buffoon. I'll also say that if they did then Hunter Biden should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Corruption is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted July 2 Just now, Ron_Artest said: Russian oligarchs did not give Hunter Biden millions. You're a fake news sponge, a buffoon. I'll also say that if they did then Hunter Biden should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Corruption is wrong. Oh. The former mayor of Moscow, an oligarch, didnt give Hunters “firm” millions and escape sanctions? Perhaps it’s you that need to do some reading. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Oh. The former mayor of Moscow, an oligarch, didnt give Hunters “firm” millions and escape sanctions? Perhaps it’s you that need to do some reading. You're probably referring to the Rosemont Seneca Thornton transaction. First it was the mayor's wife, not the mayor. It was given to Devon Archer, not Hunter's "firm". It happened in 2014 before Biden was even president and the sanctions were imposed. This was investigated by the House oversight committee and there was no wrong doing. Report here: https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-oversight.house.gov/files/Fact v Fiction-Baturina.pdf You're off to a great start today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted July 2 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: You're probably referring to the Rosemont Seneca Thornton transaction. First it was the mayor's wife, not the mayor. It was given to Devon Archer, not Hunter's "firm". It happened in 2014 before Biden was even president and the sanctions were imposed. This was investigated by the House oversight committee and there was no wrong doing. Report here: https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-oversight.house.gov/files/Fact v Fiction-Baturina.pdf You're off to a great start today. Did they escape sanctions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Did they escape sanctions? There is no record of sanctions being placed on Yelena Baturina in 2014, so I would say no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: There is no record of sanctions being placed on Yelena Baturina in 2014, so I would say no. Well that was prior to the war. The sanctions came after. Were these oligarchs sanctioned with the other oligarchs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Well that was prior to the war. The sanctions came after. Were these oligarchs sanctioned with the other oligarchs? Many oligarchs were sanctioned by Biden. Some were not. Personally I wouldn't care if all of Russia was sanctioned, bring Russia to its knees to end the war. I don't agree with Trump's behavior of loosening sanctions against Russia like you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,432 Posted July 2 28 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Many oligarchs were sanctioned by Biden. Some were not. Personally I wouldn't care if all of Russia was sanctioned, bring Russia to its knees to end the war. I don't agree with Trump's behavior of loosening sanctions against Russia like you do. Oh. So you care when Trump lets oligarchs off the hook, but not when Biden lets them off the hook, especially the ones that gave millions to Bidens sons “firm”. It seems I wasn’t peddling in propaganda like you claimed. Just facts. I win. I’m off to a great start this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 45 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Oh. So you care when Trump lets oligarchs off the hook, but not when Biden lets them off the hook, especially the ones that gave millions to Bidens sons “firm”. It seems I wasn’t peddling in propaganda like you claimed. Just facts. I win. I’m off to a great start this morning. Biden never let anyone "off the hook". He didn't sanction every oligarch. Should he have? Sure. Makes sense. Trump removed sanctions from oligarchs that Biden sanctioned. You were peddling in propaganda as I previously showed that oligarchs were NOT giving millions to Hunters firm. Take the day off and try again tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,024 Posted July 2 3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: Biden never let anyone "off the hook". He didn't sanction every oligarch. Should he have? Sure. Makes sense. Trump removed sanctions from oligarchs that Biden sanctioned. You were peddling in propaganda as I previously showed that oligarchs were NOT giving millions to Hunters firm. Take the day off and try again tomorrow. This Trump winning has been rough on gutterboy. Someone should send him a plant or something for him to bond with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 2 lil donny putin with the wink and the nod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,024 Posted July 2 11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: lil donny putin with the wink and the nod OMG!! Not nick schifrin!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 108 Posted July 9 On 7/2/2025 at 2:03 PM, Ron_Artest said: lil donny putin with the wink and the nod Now Trump is pledging more aid - including Patriot systems - and trashing Putin, calling what he says "bulllshit." And there is bipartisan support for more sanctions on Russia. Watch MAGAs suddenly be all about helping Ukraine and condemning Putin. Yippy ki yay, woooooooo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,672 Posted July 9 Gutter just acted like a mayor's wife giving money is materially different than the mayor giving it presumably with a straight face. This is the world we live in now. Smfh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 9 2 hours ago, nobody said: Gutter just acted like a mayor's wife giving money is materially different than the mayor giving it presumably with a straight face. This is the world we live in now. Smfh. It's not materially different and I never acted like it was, but facts matter. We live in a world where people like you make up "facts" to support your warped opinion. Misinformation is your trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,024 Posted July 9 Gutterboy is really struggling again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 9 7 hours ago, Sandy Loam said: Now Trump is pledging more aid - including Patriot systems - and trashing Putin, calling what he says "bulllshit." And there is bipartisan support for more sanctions on Russia. Watch MAGAs suddenly be all about helping Ukraine and condemning Putin. Yippy ki yay, woooooooo! The story now is that kegsbreath stopped the weapons shipments. If it's true we have a sec def that is acting rogue and carelessly. If fale we have a madman president changing his mind within days. Either way this is a sh1t show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 108 Posted July 9 3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: The story now is that kegsbreath stopped the weapons shipments. If it's true we have a sec def that is acting rogue and carelessly. If fale we have a madman president changing his mind within days. Either way this is a sh1t show https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pete-hegseth-urkaine-weapons-pause-trump-b2785458.html Kegsbreath did not get Trump's OK to pause shipments. Quote Quote CNN cited five sources who revealed that Hegseth’s decision sparked an internal “scramble” within the Trump administration to understand why it was made and to explain the Pentagon’s actions to Congress and to the Ukrainian government. Good lord. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,672 Posted July 9 10 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: It's not materially different and I never acted like it was, but facts matter. We live in a world where people like you make up "facts" to support your warped opinion. Misinformation is your trade. Cool story, bro. Why don't you take a break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,024 Posted July 9 6 hours ago, Sandy Loam said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pete-hegseth-urkaine-weapons-pause-trump-b2785458.html Kegsbreath did not get Trump's OK to pause shipments. Good lord. Poor rusty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,532 Posted July 9 2 hours ago, nobody said: Cool story, bro. Why don't you take a break. Don't get mad at me because you can't read. That's your problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zsasz 369 Posted July 9 12 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: The story now is that kegsbreath stopped the weapons shipments. If it's true we have a sec def that is acting rogue and carelessly. If fale we have a madman president changing his mind within days. Either way this is a sh1t show I thought Trump was going to keep us out of these things? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,024 Posted July 10 3 hours ago, zsasz said: I thought Trump was going to keep us out of these things? He is. What don't you understand? He cut them off and is focusing on getting rid of the illegals in this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 108 Posted July 10 5 hours ago, zsasz said: I thought Trump was going to keep us out of these things? So now the MAGA base is all lathered up at Trump over immigration, Epstein and Ukraine. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/09/trump-immigration-epstein-ukraine-maga/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 108 Posted July 10 MAGAs all made because their conspiracy theory over the Epstein list went up in flames. Quote https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/9/why-is-maga-angry-with-trump-pam-bondi-over-epstein-files Quote However, questions are coming from right-wing conspiracy theorists, many of whom are part of Trump’s MAGA [Make America Great Again] base, who have long posited widely circulated conspiracy claims that Epstein was murdered because he possessed sexually compromising material on powerful figures and a “client list”. But muh Epstein list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350 Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said: MAGAs all made because their conspiracy theory over the Epstein list went up in flames. But muh Epstein list. You’re a pedo. You must think Epstein trafficked kids and made pornos without any clients. That’s the only reason why you would be happy about this 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 108 Posted July 10 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: You’re a pedo. You must think Epstein trafficked kids and made pornos without any clients. That’s the only reason why you would be happy about this MAGA generates a conspiracy theory about Epstein being killed because he had a list of pedos. Trump rumored to be on list. So-called list beautifully disappears. MAGA mad because apparently list doesn't exist.They don't get mad because Trump rumored to be on list they conspiracy theoried over in the first place. Whackity schmackity doooo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350 Posted July 10 21 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said: MAGA generates a conspiracy theory about Epstein being killed because he had a list of pedos. Trump rumored to be on list. So-called list beautifully disappears. MAGA mad because apparently list doesn't exist.They don't get mad because Trump rumored to be on list they conspiracy theoried over in the first place. Whackity schmackity doooo! Don’t care who was on the list. If Trump was on it libtards would have released it years ago. I’m glad you’re happy that pedos go free pedo ill burn them all. Every single one of them. Trump to Obama. Clinton to Oprah. Gates to Prince Edward. All of them 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,764 Posted July 10 Trump finally realizes he’s been played by Putin for years? Reminds me strongly of Neville Chamberlain finally waking up in March of 1939 after Hitler invaded Prague, realizing that he had been made a fool of. Trump’s got less excuse than old Neville but hey at least now we’re starting to move in the right direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
