Chiefs Receivers 2022 - predictions?

[AxeElf 787]

9 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

either of those guys going where they're going is a basically a flip a coin decision as far as I'm concerned

And that's why Axe Elf is so valuable.  What is a coin flip to you is a decree from Axe Elf--MVS will be far more valuable this season than Hardman.

[weepaws 3,157]

Hardman Vs MVS, Im not to interested in either one, I’m much more interested in S Moore, I’ve been targeted him as a wr 5-6.  

JuJu is a big target of mind, and for some reason I think CEH will be good this season.  Mmm call me crazy. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

Mahomes just set a personal record.   12 completions in a row

[jrokh 608]

12 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Mahomes just set a personal record.   12 completions in a row

1st time I've ever owned Mahomie, dropped to round 5. pleased thus far...

[jrokh 608]

1 hour ago, jrokh said:

1st time I've ever owned Mahomie, dropped to round 5. pleased thus far...

Update 5 td’s. My homie…

[cmh6476 1,010]

5tds with passes to 9 different receivers

[Gepetto 1,291]

That's my quarterback.  

[cmh6476 1,010]

On 8/19/2022 at 1:54 PM, jrokh said:

So when you said on another post that Mahomes was going to make Watson a star you meant: 25-280-2? Sheesh, talk about lowered expectations for what a star is…

Sit down Hardman

[cmh6476 1,010]

On 8/19/2022 at 1:05 PM, cmh6476 said:

Last year we saw:

Tyreek Hill - 111 Receptions, 1,239 yards, 9 TD (159 targets)

Demarcus Robinson - 25/264/3 (41)

Mecole Hardman - 59/693/2 (83)

Byron Pringle - 42/568/5 (60)

Marcus Kemp - 2/24/0 (5)

Josh Gordon - 5/32/1 (14)

And then there's Travis Kelce (92/1,125/8 on 134 targets.

So you basically have 180 receptions, 2,095 yards and 17 TDs from guys who aren't on the team any longer.

 

From the Chiefs official depth chart, it appears they are listed in the following order:

1. JuJu Smith-Schuster - last year with Pit 15/ 129/ 0 on 28 targets in 5 games

2. Marquez Valdes-Scantling - last year with GB 26/ 430/ 3 on 55 targets in 11 games

3. Mecole Hardman

4. Skyy Moore

5. Justin Watson

To me it seems like those five make the team, and maybe a sixth if Watson is kept for special teams.  Guys like Daurice Fountain, Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman and a couple others are fighting for a spot on the team.

Just curious what everyone's take will be, and if there will be one guy that kind of creeps up into that #2 type role on fantasy rosters.  

From early camp reports, the most glowing reports have been on Skyy Moore and Justin Watson.  I don't know that Smith-Schuster, Valdez-Scantling or Hardman have really shown they can elevate to that upper echelon of receivers in the league.  But I think what's interesting is that you have no real front-runner, as every guy is new to the team, new to learning the system and building rapport with Mahomes, and every guy is being given a chance to shine.  The exception is obviously Hardman who has been around a few years and maybe has a chance to excel now that Tyreek is gone, but I don't know that he will.  If I had to make some early preseason projections, I might go something like:

Kelce - 100/ 1,200/ 8

Smith-Schuster - 65/ 580/ 4

Valdes-Scantling - 45/ 720/ 3

Hardman - 70/ 810/ 4

Moore - 50/ 650/ 5

Watson - 25/ 280/ 2

Accounting for the four new additions here, this is projecting 185 receptions, 2,230 yards and 14 TDs (compared to the 180 receptions, 2,095 yards and 17 TDs from 2021 that I referenced earlier from players not with the team).

I may need to update this with toney contributing in the second half. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

On 8/19/2022 at 3:33 PM, cmh6476 said:

I'm starting to think Skyy Moore could be that guy, the more I see and hear about him.  Plus, it doesn't seem to take receivers three years to figure it out in the NFL like it used to.  There's likely a learning curve, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more consistency in the second half of the season after the offense figures out their identify.  And Moore could be a significant piece to that for the Chiefs.  

The Chiefs had 3 high performing contributors from last year's draft class, and 3 from 2020 (although CEH has been the least effective of those three).  

However, this might be Veach's best class yet with Trent McDuffie (1st rd), George Karlaftis (1st rd), and Skyy Moore (2nd rd).  It also sounds like Bryan Cook (Safety, 2nd), Loe Chenal (LB, 3rd), and Josh Williams (CB, 4th) and Isaih Pacheco (RB, 7th) are going to have every opportunity to contribute early.  It's not just Mahomes as the reason the Chiefs have had the success they have, it's also how they've hit on their draft and getting guys to have an impact on their rookie contracts.

Brett Veach is the man!

[cmh6476 1,010]

On 8/19/2022 at 1:05 PM, cmh6476 said:

 

From the Chiefs official depth chart, it appears they are listed in the following order:

1. JuJu Smith-Schuster - last year with Pit 15/ 129/ 0 on 28 targets in 5 games

2. Marquez Valdes-Scantling - last year with GB 26/ 430/ 3 on 55 targets in 11 games

3. Mecole Hardman

4. Skyy Moore

5. Justin Watson

 

JuJu is gone, Mecole is gone, and the Chiefs added Kadarius Toney via draft mid-season, drafted Rashee Rice and added Richie James via free agency.  While the Chiefs lack that prominent number one receiver, it's safe to assume someone will step up and possibly contribute nicely from a fantasy perspective.  Just a ton of questions as to who that might be.

From training camp reports and two pre-season games, there's about seven guys who have had glowing reports and shown flashes.  And while the Chiefs may not have that go-to-guy, a lot of folks think this is the deepest group they have had in sometime.  From the Chiefs depth chart you see them bunched in threes:

1. Sky Moore

1. Marquez Valdez-Scantling

1. Kadarius Toney

2. Richie James

2. Justin Watson

2. Rashee Rice

3. Justyn Ross

3. Ihmir Smith-Marsette

3. Nikko Remigio

I could see the Chiefs trying to roster 7 of these guys, as Richie James appears to be their punt returner.  Lots of questions: MVS has been inconsistent, Toney injury prone, Rice an unproven rookie, and Moore still has yet to breakout.  Yet, anybody feeling better about any one of these guys over the others:

If Mahomes floor is 4800 yards and 37 TDs, and maybe 2100 of those and 14 TDs come from backs and TEs (including Kelce), that still leaves about 3600 yards and 22 TDs from this group.  Yet the most production any of them have had thus far in the NFL are MVS for 690 yards and 6 TDs, Richie James with 569 yards and 4 TDs, and then Toney with 420 yards and 2 TDs.

I haven't done my projections yet, but if I were to assign estimations on who gets the most production, I think I would be looking at something like:

1. Toney (even if he were to miss a few games, I think he has the most potential)

2. Rice (there's going out on a limb)

3. Moore

4. MVS

5. Richie James

thoughts?

 

[Ray_T 740]

37 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

JuJu is gone, Mecole is gone, and the Chiefs added Kadarius Toney via draft mid-season, drafted Rashee Rice and added Richie James via free agency.  While the Chiefs lack that prominent number one receiver, it's safe to assume someone will step up and possibly contribute nicely from a fantasy perspective.  Just a ton of questions as to who that might be.

From training camp reports and two pre-season games, there's about seven guys who have had glowing reports and shown flashes.  And while the Chiefs may not have that go-to-guy, a lot of folks think this is the deepest group they have had in sometime.  From the Chiefs depth chart you see them bunched in threes:

1. Sky Moore

1. Marquez Valdez-Scantling

1. Kadarius Toney

2. Richie James

2. Justin Watson

2. Rashee Rice

3. Justyn Ross

3. Ihmir Smith-Marsette

3. Nikko Remigio

I could see the Chiefs trying to roster 7 of these guys, as Richie James appears to be their punt returner.  Lots of questions: MVS has been inconsistent, Toney injury prone, Rice an unproven rookie, and Moore still has yet to breakout.  Yet, anybody feeling better about any one of these guys over the others:

If Mahomes floor is 4800 yards and 37 TDs, and maybe 2100 of those and 14 TDs come from backs and TEs (including Kelce), that still leaves about 3600 yards and 22 TDs from this group.  Yet the most production any of them have had thus far in the NFL are MVS for 690 yards and 6 TDs, Richie James with 569 yards and 4 TDs, and then Toney with 420 yards and 2 TDs.

I haven't done my projections yet, but if I were to assign estimations on who gets the most production, I think I would be looking at something like:

1. Toney (even if he were to miss a few games, I think he has the most potential)

2. Rice (there's going out on a limb)

3. Moore

4. MVS

5. Richie James

thoughts?

 

Chiefs were without a true #1 WR last year.     They are also without one this year.

JuJu is gone (replaced by Toney)

difference is... their de facto #1 (Toney) is injured again....if he misses significant time, its a tall order to ask Mahomes to repeat what he did last year with (arguably) less to work with (again) and Kelce, at 33 is another year older.

Interestingly enough I do really like Noah Gray.   I think as Kelce declines Gray's numbers will improve.

I can see Sky Moore taking another step forward.    is he ready to be a #1 WR?

I ask because I dont know the answer.

in the end after seeing last year, I dont wanna bet against KC but I also have to ask myself  can Mahomes do this again with potentially less to work with (again)

if he does, it will be the most amazing feat I've seen

 

[GobbleDog 984]

Other than Kelce and Tyreek Hill, every drafter trying to 'get a piece of the Mahomes offense' has ended in disappointment... for all of us. Seems impossible when he throws 5,000+- yds, but he spreads it so thin.

This season I like Skyy Moore because... hope. No reliable metrics or situational changes - just pure hope. Helps his adp is so low, and Toney is always injured. Though I liked hearing this quote from last week.

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Mahomes - "Had all the guys down in Texas for over a month-and-a-half. Skyy was at every single workout. I mean, every single one. Wanted to get extra work after every single practice. He has that drive to be great.”

 

[weepaws 3,157]

Moore is only KC WRs that I have on my two rankings.  

[Gepetto 1,291]

Kadarius Toney is WR1 when playing and healthy. I'll be drafting him as my bench WR (for high upside starts when he's healthy and I have a starter on bye or injured). 

No interest in any other Chiefs WR, as they're all unstartable for a fantasy football championship winning level team.

[weepaws 3,157]

19/14.  The number of games Toney has played in, also the number of games he’s missed.  From what I can gather, Toney has a lot of talent, most of his talent is wasted on the sidelines, to own Toney as a bench player for bye weeks or when another wr is injured is not a very wise move imo.   Of the 19 games Toney has played in, I don’t think he’s finished the game in ten of them , yea not a wise move.  

A league contender might own Toney, but the league champion owns S Moore.  

 

[Gepetto 1,291]

Kadarius Toney has a green checkmark in FFToday's rankings for a reason.  I come to the same conclusions before even looking at FFToday on every green check marked player that show. His price and IF he stays healthy or even when he stays healthy is totally worth having imo.

[weepaws 3,157]

Toney has scored 15 plus points in a game in .5 ppr scoring system twice out of his 19 games.  

Odds are when you need him , he’s not going to produce, because he’s either going to be injured or injured in the game he’s playing in.   

Again he’s scored 15 plus points in two out of the 19 games he’s played in, I don’t see a wr1, I see frustration.  

 

[weepaws 3,157]

G Pickens has a green check mark, and he sits just two spots down from DJ, DJ doesn’t have a green check mark, I would target Pickens.

Good luck.   

[cmh6476 1,010]

So it seems like people are sleeping on Rashee rice to me.   Last rookie receive to. Be productive in areid system was DeSean Jackson. Because it's a complicated system and tough to catch on.   But rice worked out in Texas rough Mahomes and other chiefs before he was even drafted.  But I imagine Moore or Rice will surprise people, just not sure which one 

[GobbleDog 984]

53 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

So it seems like people are sleeping on Rashee rice to me.  

Fantasy "expert" (I respect) raves about Rice. Don't remember exactly, something about his playing style at SMU was going to help him be productive at KC right off the bat. I look at his SMU stats / combine and wouldn't have thought he'd be a 2nd round pick. Shows what I know.

[Ray_T 740]

8 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Other than Kelce and Tyreek Hill, every drafter trying to 'get a piece of the Mahomes offense' has ended in disappointment... for all of us. Seems impossible when he throws 5,000+- yds, but he spreads it so thin.

This season I like Skyy Moore because... hope. No reliable metrics or situational changes - just pure hope. Helps his adp is so low, and Toney is always injured. Though I liked hearing this quote from last week.

 

honestly this is like the early Drew Brees years.  Brees threw for 5000 yards but had No 1000 yard WR.  

as for Skyy Moore....  all WR have subpar metrics in their rookie year in an Andy Reid offense.  This will be the year we find out if the player can play.  I am predicting around 700 receiving yards with a few good games.

[cmh6476 1,010]

 

[Gepetto 1,291]

Thanks cmh!

[Ray_T 740]

2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Thanks cmh!

I'll second that.   nice highlight reels.   he looks like he knows how to sit in the soft spot of the zone D.    but his ball skills are pretty sick.   nobody out jumps him

 

[Ray_T 740]

Just now, Ray_T said:

I'll second that.   nice highlight reels.   he looks like he knows how to sit in the soft spot of the zone D.    but his ball skills are pretty sick.   nobody out jumps him

 

I'm almost surprised he wasnt a first round pick.  but his speed does appear to be a cut below elite.   Maybe that's why he wasnt a first rounder

[cmh6476 1,010]

found this at pff browsing some stuff:

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Kansas City’s wide receiver competition heats up: Only four wide receivers played with Patrick Mahomes last week. This week, it was six.

• Kadarius Toney was the only noteworthy wide receiver not to play in this game.
• Marquez Valdes-Scantling’s role in the offense is secure. He played 80% of snaps with the starters, but he is a deep threat who doesn’t see a high target share, so he’s not the best fantasy asset despite the snap count.
• The Chiefs heavily rotated the other two spots in three-receiver sets, but Skyy Moore played 100% of snaps in 12 personnel, giving him the clear lead over the other wide receivers.
• He should be the favorite on the team to lead the wide receivers in fantasy points.
• Justin Watson’s playing time declined in this game, while other players got more playing time with Mahomes than in previous weeks.
• Richie James’ value rose the most in this game, playing a few snaps on all three drives.
• Justyn Ross played only on the third drive with the starters.
• Valdes-Scantling was the only receiver to leave the game at the same time as Mahomes and Travis Kelce, reaffirming that his job is the most secure and everything else could still be up for grabs.
• This means Moore, Toney, Rashee Rice, James and Ross could all be worth late draft picks, as any one of them could end up exceeding expectations.

 

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