Leaving California

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well this is the standard conservative argument; you’re not offering anything new. I appreciate some of what you’re saying but not enough to dismantle the programs we already have. I would work to improve them rather than destroy them. 

I was not intending to offer anything new since you brought nothing new to the table upon which I could comment.

 

What you are saying is you would double down on programs which have failed for 50 years so that you can be assuaged, so that you can feel morally superior, that you know the true path.  That would bother me not in the least if you did not need my tax dollars to do so and if the victims of your ill-concieved policies opted in at the age of consent, rather than in their teens as they drop out of school and set up their welfare households.

 

BTW have any African Americans ever personally thanked you for your paternalism?  They can't take care of themselves but thank god they have you looking out for them, setting them on a course for continued poverty and ignorance, paving the street to that destiny with low expectations, with built in excuses..  

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I was not intending to offer anything new since you brought nothing new to the table upon which I could comment.

 

What you are saying is you would double down on programs which have failed for 50 years so that you can be assuaged, so that you can feel morally superior, that you know the true path.  That would bother me not in the least if you did not need my tax dollars to do so and if the victims of your ill-concieved policies opted in at the age of consent, rather than in their teens as they drop out of school and set up their welfare households.

 

BTW have any African Americans ever personally thanked you for your paternalism?  Thye can't take care of themselves but thank god they have you looking out for them, setting them on a course for continued poverty and ignorance, paving the street to that destiny with low expectations, with built in excuses..  

If African-Americans opposed liberal policies they would demonstrate that by voting against Democrats. But since they consistently don’t that tells me that they reject your paternalism argument. 

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If African-Americans opposed liberal policies they would demonstrate that by voting against Democrats. But since they consistently don’t that tells me that they reject your paternalism argument. 

They seem increasingly to be tiring of the lies of the democrats.  They seem to be evaluating, as a voting demographic, (and I don't really believe in voting dfemographics as monoliths) to be considering republicans.  Unfortunately they too will fail of any promises.  Governments which are looked at as providers are governments which will fail of the promise.  governments provide nothing.  governments take and they make rules for the governed, but they do not provide, not in any meaningful way.  Hard work provides. Diligence, education, defering gratification, planning, these things provide and until that is relearned against all of the propoganda there will be suffering.  Still, you want to be part of the propoganda that there is pie in the sky.

 

There was an old blues pianist, Leonard "the Baby Doo" Kasten.  He had a great song entitled There May Not Be No Pie In the Sky When You Die.    well there ain't none in domocratic policies either.

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

6 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

They seem increasingly to be tiring of the lies of the democrats.  They seem to be evaluating, as a voting demographic, (and I don't really believe in voting dfemographics as monoliths) to be considering republicans.  Unfortunately they too will fail of any promises.  Governments which are looked at as providers are governments which will fail of the promise.  governments provide nothing.  governments take and they make rules for the governed, but they do not provide, not in any meaningful way.  Hard work provides. Diligence, education, defering gratification, planning, these things provide and until that is relearned against all of the propoganda there will be suffering.  Still, you want to be part of the propoganda that there is pie in the sky.

 

There was an old blues pianist, Leonard "the Baby Doo" Kasten.  He had a great song entitled There May Not Be No Pie In the Sky When You Die.    well there ain't none in domocratic policies either.

I love old blues. Do you have a link to that artist? Can’t find it. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,740]

29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If African-Americans opposed liberal policies they would demonstrate that by voting against Democrats. But since they consistently don’t that tells me that they reject your paternalism argument. 

This is what's happening NOW. 

Democrats have abandoned Blacks for their shiny new toy, Illegal Immigrants. They are throwing them into minority neighborhoods, undermining whatever progress has been made. These illegals now get their FREE housing, their FREE healthcare, their FREE money and let's not forget welfare. Breaking news, Blacks and Mexicans DO NOT get along. 

How would you feel living in those neighborhoods? 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I love old blues. Do you have a link to that artist? Can’t find it. 

Same!  Kind of Blue is my zen!

[RLLD 4,143]

35 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If African-Americans opposed liberal policies they would demonstrate that by voting against Democrats. But since they consistently don’t that tells me that they reject your paternalism argument. 

Point of clarification.....AA's vote based on the lies told to them....that liberals policies obviously fail them at every turn never seems to rise to that "aha" moment.....though recently that seems to be changing.

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I love old blues. Do you have a link to that artist? Can’t find it. 

I have an L.P. that he sold from venues he would play.  I never looked to see whether he is searchable on line.  I'm guessing not.  He was old in the 70's and only regionally popular from Chicago up the river to Minneapolis and down the river and up the tributary to Memphis.  Pretty much just three towns.   

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Same!  Kind of Blue is my zen!

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=8bca114bb4b83eeaJmltdHM9MTcwNzI2NDAwMCZpZ3VpZD0xZTgzYWM4Yy1mZTBmLTY2NGUtMTc3Mi1iZWVhZmYzNTY3MDYmaW5zaWQ9NTc3NQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=1e83ac8c-fe0f-664e-1772-beeaff356706&u=a1L3ZpZGVvcy9yaXZlcnZpZXcvcmVsYXRlZHZpZGVvP3E9bGVvbmFyZCtiYWJ5K2RvbytjYXN0b24mbWlkPTlGNTFEMkEyNDRCRTQ4OTZBOUZBOUY1MUQyQTI0NEJFNDg5NkE5RkEmRk9STT1WSVJF&ntb=1

 

i misspelled his last name Caston.  sorry, memory fades.  he signed my copy of his album House Party.  he would do that if you bought him a drink.  He was funny.  If you requested a song he would look at you, say the Baby needs his milk if you know what i'm saying, and if you bought him a drink he would play your song.  I bought the Baby a fair amount of milk.

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

Pretty sure I have seen the Baby Doo credited on Willie Dixon and Howling Wolf tracks.

[Baker Boy 1,688]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Point of clarification.....AA's vote based on the lies told to them....that liberals policies obviously fail them at every turn never seems to rise to that "aha" moment.....though recently that seems to be changing.

I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. - Booker T. Washington 1911

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Same!  Kind of Blue is my zen!

The first time I saw the Baby Doo I wandered into a club in Chicago.  Must have been 1975.  He was playing alone just tickling his piano.  Up from the crowd stepped a robust black fella who had a guitar.  That was the first time i heard Freddy King and the song Same Old Blues.

[Baker Boy 1,688]

24 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Pretty sure I have seen the Baby Doo credited on Willie Dixon and Howling Wolf tracks.

Eddie Kendricks too

[Maximum Overkill 1,740]

I love it, Liberals won't even argue the point. Even they know it's a toilet 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I love it, Liberals won't even argue the point. Even they know it's a toilet 

Paradise on Earth. I’d never live anywhere else. 

[peenie 1,905]

9 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

We have institutions which foster a subclass which is unemployable and ignorant, living in squalor, and while the programs are somewhat broader than to one race only they were initiated and are continued by folks that just don't think the black man can get by without the white government's paternalism.    

Do you believe that the reason everyone is leaving California is because of poor lazy blacks?

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No. 1 reason is that California is expensive.

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• 1. High Cost of Living
• 2. Rising State Taxes
• 3. Political Problems
• 4. Unemployment
• 5. Housing Crisis
• 6. Insecurity
• 7. The Convenience of Working from Home
• 8. Social and Economic Challenges
• 9. Devastating Wildfires

Poor blacks and crime hasn't stopped people from gentrifying neighborhoods across America: Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Harlem, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, heck, San Francisco used to be black!! It's expensive to live in California as well as the other issues. Just don't lay the blame on the laps of black people, please. 

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

19 minutes ago, peenie said:

Do you believe that the reason everyone is leaving California is because of poor lazy blacks?

Poor blacks and crime hasn't stopped people from gentrifying neighborhoods across America: Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Harlem, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, heck, San Francisco used to be black!! It's expensive to live in California as well as the other issues. Just don't lay the blame on the laps of black people, please. 

Nope.  I believe the reason many poor and uneducated, including blacks remain poor and uneducated is that they recieve rewards for being so and doing so.  We have softened the negative consequences for bad choices so people keep making them.  We get what we subsidize, surprize.

 

I have noticed before that I seem to rub you- the wrong way.  You seek the worst interpretation of my remarks rather than taking them at face value. If I insulted you I do not remember, but I apologize.  I feel no need to get into it with you.  frankly your reaction to me surprises me. my memory of our interactions is that I have supported you and have always been respectful, but i do know I can be caustic and perhaps i was once with you.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

If African-Americans opposed liberal policies they would demonstrate that by voting against Democrats. But since they consistently don’t that tells me that they reject your paternalism argument. 

Last year, 66% of black adults identified as Democrats or Democrat leaners while 19% said they were Republicans or Republican leaners, per the Gallup survey.

The 47-percentage-point spread is the lowest in at least 25 years — and down 19 percentage points from 2020, when 77% of black adults identified as Democrats and just 19% identified as Republicans.

 

Slowly but surly maybe.  They have been conditioned to think Republicans as evil white pople and Dems as saviors of the POC and poor.  But after a while when you see you are just being used while nothing gets much better, you say what the heck and stray.  Its tough to overcome but results matter eventually. 

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7 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

The first time I saw the Baby Doo I wandered into a club in Chicago.  Must have been 1975.  He was playing alone just tickling his piano.  Up from the crowd stepped a robust black fella who had a guitar.  That was the first time i heard Freddy King and the song Same Old Blues.

ever see Baby Huey & the Babysitters?  I have their album still.

[DonS 3,292]

29 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Nope.  I believe the reason many poor and uneducated, including blacks remain poor and uneducated is that they recieve rewards for being so and doing so.  We have softened the negative consequences for bad choices so people keep making them.  We get what we subsidize, surprize.

 

I have noticed before that I seem to rub you- the wrong way.  You seek the worst interpretation of my remarks rather than taking them at face value. If I insulted you I do not remember, but I apologize.  I feel no need to get into it with you.  frankly your reaction to me surprises me. my memory of our interactions is that I have supported you and have always been respectful, but i do know I can be caustic and perhaps i was once with you.

I think you should message her to see if she's down for some MUA. 

[peenie 1,905]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Nope.  I believe the reason many poor and uneducated, including blacks remain poor and uneducated is that they recieve rewards for being so and doing so.  We have softened the negative consequences for bad choices so people keep making them.  We get what we subsidize, surprize.

 

I have noticed before that I seem to rub you- the wrong way.  You seek the worst interpretation of my remarks rather than taking them at face value. If I insulted you I do not remember, but I apologize.  I feel no need to get into it with you.  frankly your reaction to me surprises me. my memory of our interactions is that I have supported you and have always been respectful, but i do know I can be caustic and perhaps i was once with you.

Don’t take what I write personally. I agree with you more than you know. 
On the flip side, Californians are making parts of Texas unaffordable. My friend. just moved back to Atlanta after living over a decade in Austin. She’s a senior citizen and it’s just not senior friendly (cost of living) as it used to be. 

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

12 hours ago, shadrap said:

ever see Baby Huey & the Babysitters?  I have their album still.

Never have.

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

10 hours ago, peenie said:

Don’t take what I write personally. I agree with you more than you know. 
On the flip side, Californians are making parts of Texas unaffordable. My friend. just moved back to Atlanta after living over a decade in Austin. She’s a senior citizen and it’s just not senior friendly (cost of living) as it used to be. 

California and Texas refugees both have made Colorado change from Solidly Red to blue over the last 30 years and have driven up the cost of living.  Californians in particdular have been a problem here.  They fled their state to avoid the consequences of their many initiatives (propositions) got here, and tried to recreate those same initiatives causing havoc here.  They are a plague.  They are stupid, persistently unlearning, and in large enough numbers to have changed the electorate landscape.

[RLLD 4,143]

13 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Last year, 66% of black adults identified as Democrats or Democrat leaners while 19% said they were Republicans or Republican leaners, per the Gallup survey.

The 47-percentage-point spread is the lowest in at least 25 years — and down 19 percentage points from 2020, when 77% of black adults identified as Democrats and just 19% identified as Republicans.

 

Slowly but surly maybe.  They have been conditioned to think Republicans as evil white pople and Dems as saviors of the POC and poor.  But after a while when you see you are just being used while nothing gets much better, you say what the heck and stray.  Its tough to overcome but results matter eventually. 

 

This is hopeful of course, but it could be true that the pain from Democrat policies needs still more time to bring the point home.....