*EDIT* Going to be 56/52/53 this weekend - June 3/4/5 *GLOBAL WARMIING IN FULL EFFECT*

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Sure is hot out there.  Biden's America.

[edjr 6,578]

I would take 56 right now. Dew point of 73 today. WTF. Literally living in soup

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

regardless of your political leanings, I feel like you have to be just stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to act as if climate change/global warming doesn't actually exist. I'm not calling it doomsday but at least be real about it. Just because it's not an end of the world level problem doesn't mean it's not actually happening and doesn't mean it won't or can't get worse. 

As someone who has lived in the northeast their entire life, seasons no longer feel like defined seasons. Summerish temperatures linger into late october, winters are nowhere near as harsh as they were when I was growing up, and yet the cooler temps from winter linger into June. Snow storms? I remember winters with multiple big snow storms / blizzards. For the past 10-15 years, it seems like a couple inches of snow is now what passes for a storm. I'd be shocked if it snowed more than twice in my area this year. 

I don't listen to or read stuff from climate change freaks but it's not hard to see that the weather is pretty different now than it was in the 90's or early 2000's. 

[edjr 6,578]

8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

regardless of your political leanings, I feel like you have to be just stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to act as if climate change/global warming doesn't actually exist. I'm not calling it doomsday but at least be real about it. Just because it's not an end of the world level problem doesn't mean it's not actually happening and doesn't mean it won't or can't get worse. 

As someone who has lived in the northeast their entire life, seasons no longer feel like defined seasons. Summerish temperatures linger into late october, winters are nowhere near as harsh as they were when I was growing up, and yet the cooler temps from winter linger into June. Snow storms? I remember winters with multiple big snow storms / blizzards. For the past 10-15 years, it seems like a couple inches of snow is now what passes for a storm. I'd be shocked if it snowed more than twice in my area this year. 

I don't listen to or read stuff from climate change freaks but it's not hard to see that the weather is pretty different now than it was in the 90's or early 2000's. 

 

[bostonlager 2,664]

11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

regardless of your political leanings, I feel like you have to be just stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to act as if climate change/global warming doesn't actually exist. I'm not calling it doomsday but at least be real about it. Just because it's not an end of the world level problem doesn't mean it's not actually happening and doesn't mean it won't or can't get worse. 

As someone who has lived in the northeast their entire life, seasons no longer feel like defined seasons. Summerish temperatures linger into late october, winters are nowhere near as harsh as they were when I was growing up, and yet the cooler temps from winter linger into June. Snow storms? I remember winters with multiple big snow storms / blizzards. For the past 10-15 years, it seems like a couple inches of snow is now what passes for a storm. I'd be shocked if it snowed more than twice in my area this year. 

I don't listen to or read stuff from climate change freaks but it's not hard to see that the weather is pretty different now than it was in the 90's or early 2000's. 

This is what I love about it. I have no desire to prevent the change, I do what I can to keep the change coming. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

I wonder if it was humans that caused the ice age? I wonder if it was humans that caused the end of the ice age? 

I wonder if weather is somewhat cyclical throughout the ages?

Oooohhhhh...History proves that weather is somewhat cyclical throughout the ages. Go figure.

One thing this all proves. Many humans really think they are a bigger deal than they actually are. "We control the Earth's weather bwuahahaha!!!"

[GutterBoy 2,898]

As the Northern Hemisphere approaches summer’s peak, heat is testing the limits of human survival in Earth’s hottest spots — and demonstrating the extremes that are increasingly possible and probable against the backdrop of accelerating global warming.

In recent days, China set an all-time high of nearly 126 degrees Fahrenheit, while Death Valley hit 128 degrees, two shy of the highest reliably measured temperature on Earth. Phoenix was expected to observe a record-breaking 19th consecutive day at or above 110 degrees Tuesday. And in the Middle East, the heat index reached 152 degrees, nearing — or surpassing — levels thought to be the most intense the human body can withstand.

Such conditions are more than enough to overwhelm the body’s ability to regulate its internal temperature, experts said, and offer a glimpse of dangers only expected to become more prevalent as global warming increases extremes in heat and humidity.

“We know these extreme temperatures are killing people right now,” said Cascade Tuholske, an assistant professor at Montana State University.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

On 7/13/2023 at 10:38 AM, WhiteWonder said:

regardless of your political leanings, I feel like you have to be just stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to act as if climate change/global warming doesn't actually exist. I'm not calling it doomsday but at least be real about it. Just because it's not an end of the world level problem doesn't mean it's not actually happening and doesn't mean it won't or can't get worse. 

As someone who has lived in the northeast their entire life, seasons no longer feel like defined seasons. Summerish temperatures linger into late october, winters are nowhere near as harsh as they were when I was growing up, and yet the cooler temps from winter linger into June. Snow storms? I remember winters with multiple big snow storms / blizzards. For the past 10-15 years, it seems like a couple inches of snow is now what passes for a storm. I'd be shocked if it snowed more than twice in my area this year. 

I don't listen to or read stuff from climate change freaks but it's not hard to see that the weather is pretty different now than it was in the 90's or early 2000's. 

I don't think people are saying it doesn't exist, but that the alarm is extreme.  Most of the climate change people are extremists where the world is going to end within 20 years.  Sorry, we've been hearing that for 50 years.  At worst... worst, there's a few THOUSAND left.  Even if there isn't, if you actually believe in "science", there's this thing called "Evolution".  You can't stop it.  Any attempts to stop or delay it, will cause more problems.  A perfect example is the paper/plastic issue.  Back in the 80's and 90's, the global warming psycho's were all against paper because we were going to tear down all the trees and the world would end in 2000.  What happened?  We made a big switch to plastic.  Since then, we've tripled our production of paper with NO recourse what-so-ever towards deforestation, yet, we have a massive plastics/carbon emissions problem.  Your last line should be a sign to you as evidence.  The massive switch to plastic hit in the 90's and now, as you say, the weather is pretty different.  

No one is saying to stop looking for other ideas to be cleaner, what they're saying is to stop the government push to force it.  Maybe people should STOP listening to the alarmists and just look to be more relaxed and logical about it.  In the end, the whole discussion is moot.  Like I said, if you do believe in "science", then "Evolution" is going to win.  You can't stop it.  I don't even think you can delay it.  All you're going to do is make it worse.  By worse, I don't mean you do nothing.  I mean, don't do something that you think is right (i.e., push the country/world towards plastic), and make it worse.  Be reasonable and methodical.

My question for you is... How many 50 year periods do people need to live through, where the alarmists and governments keep saying 'the world is going to end in 20 years', that you start to realize that they're nuts?  To the alarmists, my suggestion is to stop focking around until we find out.  The Earth is going to win, not us.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

17 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't think people are saying it doesn't exist, but that the alarm is extreme.  Most of the climate change people are extremists where the world is going to end within 20 years.  Sorry, we've been hearing that for 50 years.  At worst... worst, there's a few THOUSAND left.  Even if there isn't, if you actually believe in "science", there's this thing called "Evolution".  You can't stop it.  Any attempts to stop or delay it, will cause more problems.  A perfect example is the paper/plastic issue.  Back in the 80's and 90's, the global warming psycho's were all against paper because we were going to tear down all the trees and the world would end in 2000.  What happened?  We made a big switch to plastic.  Since then, we've tripled our production of paper with NO recourse what-so-ever towards deforestation, yet, we have a massive plastics/carbon emissions problem.  Your last line should be a sign to you as evidence.  The massive switch to plastic hit in the 90's and now, as you say, the weather is pretty different.  

No one is saying to stop looking for other ideas to be cleaner, what they're saying is to stop the government push to force it.  Maybe people should STOP listening to the alarmists and just look to be more relaxed and logical about it.  In the end, the whole discussion is moot.  Like I said, if you do believe in "science", then "Evolution" is going to win.  You can't stop it.  I don't even think you can delay it.  All you're going to do is make it worse.  By worse, I don't mean you do nothing.  I mean, don't do something that you think is right (i.e., push the country/world towards plastic), and make it worse.  Be reasonable and methodical.

My question for you is... How many 50 year periods do people need to live through, where the alarmists and governments keep saying 'the world is going to end in 20 years', that you start to realize that they're nuts?  To the alarmists, my suggestion is to stop focking around until we find out.  The Earth is going to win, not us.

I'm not entirely sure why you bothered to quote/respond to me with a bunch of stuff that I agree with. Not that you knew exactly my stance, but my post made it pretty clear that I simply believe it exists, do not think it is a doomsday issue but I do get annoyed by the people who take the complete opposite extreme.

As far as your question, I get it and again, I would agree.... BUT it is sort of simple human nature to embellish in order to make headway on your goals, whatever they may be. Any smart person should take "the world is going to end in 20 years" with a big grain of salt, but still be willing to see the bigger picture that a problem does exist and that there are likely measures that can be taken to help.

[dogcows 1,030]

57 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't think people are saying it doesn't exist, but that the alarm is extreme.  Most of the climate change people are extremists where the world is going to end within 20 years.  Sorry, we've been hearing that for 50 years.  At worst... worst, there's a few THOUSAND left.  Even if there isn't, if you actually believe in "science", there's this thing called "Evolution".  You can't stop it.  Any attempts to stop or delay it, will cause more problems.  A perfect example is the paper/plastic issue.  Back in the 80's and 90's, the global warming psycho's were all against paper because we were going to tear down all the trees and the world would end in 2000.  What happened?  We made a big switch to plastic.  Since then, we've tripled our production of paper with NO recourse what-so-ever towards deforestation, yet, we have a massive plastics/carbon emissions problem.  Your last line should be a sign to you as evidence.  The massive switch to plastic hit in the 90's and now, as you say, the weather is pretty different.  

No one is saying to stop looking for other ideas to be cleaner, what they're saying is to stop the government push to force it.  Maybe people should STOP listening to the alarmists and just look to be more relaxed and logical about it.  In the end, the whole discussion is moot.  Like I said, if you do believe in "science", then "Evolution" is going to win.  You can't stop it.  I don't even think you can delay it.  All you're going to do is make it worse.  By worse, I don't mean you do nothing.  I mean, don't do something that you think is right (i.e., push the country/world towards plastic), and make it worse.  Be reasonable and methodical.

My question for you is... How many 50 year periods do people need to live through, where the alarmists and governments keep saying 'the world is going to end in 20 years', that you start to realize that they're nuts?  To the alarmists, my suggestion is to stop focking around until we find out.  The Earth is going to win, not us.

The stuff scientists warned about 50 years ago is happening now; look around. But I am impressed with this bit of writing. 3 full paragraphs written with your head firmly buried in the sand is impressive.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

The stuff scientists warned about 50 years ago is happening now; look around. But I am impressed with this bit of writing. 3 full paragraphs written with your head firmly buried in the sand is impressive.

Interesting... because I recall that they were saying the world was going to end in 2000.  Since we're here posting, I'm guessing that they only person here with his head firmly buried in the sand is you.  Wait, it's not in the sand.  It's up the but of the alarmists.

[dogcows 1,030]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Interesting... because I recall that they were saying the world was going to end in 2000.  Since we're here posting, I'm guessing that they only person here with his head firmly buried in the sand is you.  Wait, it's not in the sand.  It's up the but of the alarmists.

See, you never really listened to the warnings. Your glib statements prove it. Nobody said the world would end in 2000, except some weird cultists I recall, and I think they were saying 1998 that aliens would come or something, The actual warnings were of exactly what we’re seeing today.

You don’t even understand the concept of head buried in the sand. If you want to call somebody out for being an alarmist, the proper insult is Chicken Little or the Boy who cried Wolf. I was hoping you could at least insult a person properly, but you can’t even manage that.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Interesting... because I recall that they were saying the world was going to end in 2000.  Since we're here posting, I'm guessing that they only person here with his head firmly buried in the sand is you.  Wait, it's not in the sand.  It's up the but of the alarmists.

wait... are you referring to Y2K? What does Y2K have to do with climate change? 

 

(apologies if you are talking about something else)

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

45 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I'm not entirely sure why you bothered to quote/respond to me with a bunch of stuff that I agree with. Not that you knew exactly my stance, but my post made it pretty clear that I simply believe it exists, do not think it is a doomsday issue but I do get annoyed by the people who take the complete opposite extreme.

As far as your question, I get it and again, I would agree.... BUT it is sort of simple human nature to embellish in order to make headway on your goals, whatever they may be. Any smart person should take "the world is going to end in 20 years" with a big grain of salt, but still be willing to see the bigger picture that a problem does exist and that there are likely measures that can be taken to help.

Sorry, that's my fault.  When your first sentence started off with "I feel like you have to be just stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to act as if climate change/global warming doesn't actually exist", I stopped reading.  Normally when people go off like that, they're exaggerating a very small segment of the population to be substantially larger than what it is.  I think maybe about 5% of country (don't know about the world), think that it "doesn't" exist.  I see it as 40% alarmists, 55% acknowledge it's existence, and 5% say it doesn't exist.  With a segment that small, I don't think they're stance really matters.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

wait... are you referring to Y2K? What does Y2K have to do with climate change? 

 

(apologies if you are talking about something else)

No, I'm rounding off.  They were out in the 70's and 80's saying the world was going to end by 2000.  I'm not specifically talking about the computer Y2K thing.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

See, you never really listened to the warnings. Your glib statements prove it. Nobody said the world would end in 2000, except some weird cultists I recall, and I think they were saying 1998 that aliens would come or something, The actual warnings were of exactly what we’re seeing today.

You don’t even understand the concept of head buried in the sand. If you want to call somebody out for being an alarmist, the proper insult is Chicken Little or the Boy who cried Wolf. I was hoping you could at least insult a person properly, but you can’t even manage that.

How's it smell up there?  Musky?  World ending soon?

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Sorry, that's my fault.  When your first sentence started off with "I feel like you have to be just stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to act as if climate change/global warming doesn't actually exist", I stopped reading. 

 

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

.  Your last line should be a sign to you as evidence.  The massive switch to plastic hit in the 90's and now, as you say, the weather is pretty different.  

 

I feel like you didn't stop reading.  Maybe you made an assumption based off the first line and then skimmed for something else to cherry pick?    not sure. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

I feel like you didn't stop reading.  Maybe you made an assumption based off the first line and then skimmed for something else to cherry pick?    not sure. 

The last line was something I saw when typing my response.

[seafoam1 2,803]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

I feel like you didn't stop reading.  Maybe you made an assumption based off the first line and then skimmed for something else to cherry pick?    not sure. 

Dumb ass.